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[quote=SmootSmack;412661]From today's Washington Post

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"Snyder and Vinny Cerrato, the team's executive vice president for football operations, spent Monday and Tuesday attempting to contact and interview [B]assistant coaches Fassel wanted[/B] -- league sources said they included Baltimore's Rex Ryan, Seattle's Jim Zorn and San Diego's John Ramsdell -- but contractual stipulations precluded all but Zorn from interviewing."

I hope this puts to rest the notion that they are going after assistant coaches without the potential head coach's consent. Although it's interesting to note that the other day the Post also indicated Zorn was wanted by Williams.

I don't know why they even bothered talking to the Chargers. Norv isn't going to do the Redskins any favors.[/quote]

Thanks for putting that issue to rest. Though I'm sure we'll still hear it from those that refuse to believe that Snyder has any clue as to what he's doing.

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Does anybody know the longest wait or the latest an NFL team has had to wait before they hired a head coach?

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[quote=Mattyk72;412690]Thanks for putting that issue to rest. Though I'm sure we'll still hear it from those that refuse to believe that Snyder has any clue as to what he's doing.[/quote]


what is your opinion of this frachise? Do you think its making the right decision by dragging this one? Do you feel that this move is alienating the players, coaches, and Gibbs since he has been giving support for GW?

To me, this is the most important hiring Snyder has ever had, and I think he is messing it up, which i dont think I am alone.

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[quote=#56fanatic;412757]To me, this is the most important hiring Snyder has ever had, and I think he is messing it up, which i dont think I am alone.[/quote]

Its hard to say that he's messed it up when he still hasn't even done anything. I think he's just covering all his bases and making sure he doesn't rush in to this decision.

Like you said, it is his most important hire. Well, he hasn't made it yet, so we can't judge him on it. You can't mess something up before you even do it.

I think thats what most fans are thinking....even though he hasn't done anything, they still think he's going to mess it up.

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[QUOTE=Redskins_P;412762]Its hard to say that he's messed it up when he still hasn't even done anything. I think he's just covering all his bases and making sure he doesn't rush in to this decision.

Like you said, it is his most important hire. Well, he hasn't made it yet, so we can't judge him on it. You can't mess something up before you even do it.

I think thats what most fans are thinking....even though he hasn't done anything, they still think he's going to mess it up.[/QUOTE]I think the fact that he allegedly hasn't said a word to Williams in a week is why people feel that he's already messing up.

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[quote=ArtMonkDrillz;412764]I think the fact that he [B]alledgedly[/B] hasn't said a word to Williams in a week is why people feel that he's already messing up.[/quote]

He [I]allegedly[/I] hasn't said a word. None of us know if thats true or not. Not even the person that reported it.

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in a lot of peoples eyes he has all ready messed things up. I know people say he is covering his bases, but seriously. According to some new sources, which I will find dont worry, Jim Mora Jr had the job if he wanted it, Fassell had the job if they could have gotten the assistance nailed down. Some people out here seem to think that the reporters who cover this team from inside the locker room and outside dont really know what they are talking about. Even the insiders on ESPN who generally get the info pretty dead on more often than not seem to feel and hear that Snyder is screwing this thing up. That GW may not even take the job now, and Fassell may walk away too after what transpired the last couple of days. I for one will generally listen to the people who cover these guys for a living and know more than all of us here combined.

Plus, I have a friend who is a state trooper in louden county who does detail for the team and keeps in touch with some guys on the team, and he says they are none to happy about whats going on. saying the majority of the team is set on GW as the coach and think its incredibly stupid how this has dragged on.

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[quote=skinsguy;412739]Does anybody know the longest wait or the latest an NFL team has had to wait before they hired a head coach?[/quote]


I thought Parcells leaving the Giants happen in April about 2 weeks after the Giants let B.B.(sp) go to Cleveland.

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[quote=#56fanatic;412767]That GW may not even take the job now[/quote]

How do we know if GW was or wasn't offered the job already? How do we know if GW is asking for more than what Snyder is offering him?

Maybe Snyder offered him the HC job, but GW is asking for more?

Look, in no way am I trying to defend Snyder. I wish we could just hire GW and get this all over with, but the fact is that we have NO CLUE whats going on behind those closed doors.

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[quote=SmootSmack;412589]I think Snyder actually does care what the fans think, but he shouldn't. I think, having grown up a fan himself, he thinks "Oh the fans will love it if I make this big move and we bring home a Super Bowl this year." But sometimes, you just have to accept that things take time. It's sort of like that saying "Buy a man a fish, and he'll eat for a day. Teach a man to fish, and he'll eat for life."

Snyder needs to remember he's more than just a fan now, and he needs to stop trying to make the impulsive moves to instantly gratifying his fan base. I believe that he is heading in that direction. Now, of course, a lot of the fans are up in arms over this. But f' them. If it gets you so worked up that you're going to cancel your season tickets, sell all your memorabilia, never watch another game and so on just because of speculation...then just do it already. Enough with the empty threats. Just leave.[/quote]


Smooty, come on. Why go there and just throw your hands up and tell fans to just leave? That's not fair. People are frustrated and madder than hell. I think Snyder should care about what the fans think. After all, many of them were in place to support his beloved franchise decades before he even thought about football. I'll go a step further, yes, the fans should also influence, to some extent, how decisions being made impacts the franchise too. Should every decision made by Snyder have the fans in mind? Of course not, let's be real here. It's a business...but that's a two way street. You can't say on one hand I want to build a quality franchise, but on the other hand consistently rub the fan base the wrong way.

I happen to think he's responding more impulsively now than when he first began the coaching search. While he probably didn't care at all at the beginning of the search, I think it's quite possible that he is now paying some attention, proabably too much, to the outrage by the fan base.

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We have to continue to fight for Gregg Williams for our head coach!!!!!

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[quote=#56fanatic;412767]in a lot of peoples eyes he has all ready messed things up. I know people say he is covering his bases, but seriously. According to some new sources, which I will find dont worry, Jim Mora Jr had the job if he wanted it, Fassell had the job if they could have gotten the assistance nailed down. Some people out here seem to think that the reporters who cover this team from inside the locker room and outside dont really know what they are talking about. Even the insiders on ESPN who generally get the info pretty dead on more often than not seem to feel and hear that Snyder is screwing this thing up. That GW may not even take the job now, and Fassell may walk away too after what transpired the last couple of days. I for one will generally listen to the people who cover these guys for a living and know more than all of us here combined.

Plus, I have a friend who is a state trooper in louden county who does detail for the team and keeps in touch with some guys on the team, and he says they are none to happy about whats going on. saying the majority of the team is set on GW as the coach and think its incredibly stupid how this has dragged on.[/quote]
Yea and yesterday while I was hanging out with Gibbs he was taking calls and advising Snyder not to make any moves until he gave the OK. When Gibbs hung up the phone he looked at me and shook his head saying "Man I love this Snyder guy but he is in such a rush to hire a new head coach and keeps calling me every five minutes. I just have to tell him to keep on looking and we will find the right guy fo the job and he is really fighting his guts out to find the next coach). While he was saying that Gibbs phone rang again and he told me to hold on it was Snyder on the phone. He walk away for some privacy but I still heard Gibbs trying to calm him down then he hung up. He walked back over just shaking his head and said "man he is going crazy with al the fans up in arms about what going on and I told him to keep fighting gut out and that we will find a high quality guy to be head coach". I feel sorry for Gibbs.

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[quote=firstdown;412782]Yea and yesterday while I was hanging out with Gibbs he was taking calls and advising Snyder not to make any moves until he gave the OK. When Gibbs hung up the phone he looked at me and shook his head saying "Man I love this Snyder guy but he is in such a rush to hire a new head coach and keeps calling me every five minutes. I just have to tell him to keep on looking and we will find the right guy fo the job and he is really fighting his guts out to find the next coach). While he was saying that Gibbs phone rang again and he told me to hold on it was Snyder on the phone. He walk away for some privacy but I still heard Gibbs trying to calm him down then he hung up. He walked back over just shaking his head and said "man he is going crazy with al the fans up in arms about what going on and I told him to keep fighting gut out and that we will find a high quality guy to be head coach". I feel sorry for Gibbs.[/quote]


whether you want to poke fun at the person who I get info from is out of my control. I can only say what he has heard from guys in that locker room. was i there, no but still have to believe him when all other reporters are saying the team is really supporting williams. No need to be a sarcastic ass about it.

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[quote=SmootSmack;412589]Now, of course, a lot of the fans are up in arms over this. But f' them. If it gets you so worked up that you're going to cancel your season tickets, sell all your memorabilia, never watch another game and so on just because of speculation...then just do it already. Enough with the empty threats. Just leave.[/quote]

Well put SS...

Honestly, the only problem I have with this situation to be completely honest with you is the way the team has handled this from a PR standpoint...

I'm sure you heard Bram Weinstein's interview on Riggo's show yesterday and he pretty much said it...the way this has been handled from a PR standpoint is a textbook example of how not to handle these things...now I understand there are certain things that cannot be divulged when dealing with new hires and contract negotiations...but there is not a team in the league that I can honestly think of that has mucked-up things as badly as the 'Skins have with thier secrecy...I mean Christ, you would think they are guarding the secrets to cold fusion or something with the way they have been acting.

Then you have Dan Synder's reputation for being meddlesome and generally uncooperative with the rest of the league (perhaps one of the reasons why they are having trouble getting cooperation from other teams in getting coaches) combined with the fact that they have really burned up a ton of goodwill with the fans and other teams by overpaying for coaches and players.

This whole thing is turning into a perfect storm of just plain bad press and ill will with the fanbase...

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[QUOTE=12thMan;412777]Smooty, come on. Why go there and just throw your hands up and tell fans to just leave? That's not fair. People are frustrated and madder than hell. I think Snyder should care about what the fans think. After all, many of them were in place to support his beloved franchise decades before he even thought about football. I'll go a step further, yes, the fans should also influence, to some extent, how decisions being made impacts the franchise too. Should every decision made by Snyder have the fans in mind? Of course not, let's be real here. It's a business...but that's a two way street. You can't say on one hand I want to build a quality franchise, but on the other hand consistently rub the fan base the wrong way.

I happen to think he's responding more impulsively now than when he first began the coaching search. While he probably didn't care at all at the beginning of the search, I think it's quite possible that he is now paying some attention, proabably too much, to the outrage by the fan base.[/QUOTE]

I respectfully disagree. I think people want results instantly. This is why we have so many moronic threads after every loss. Snyder has to, HAS TO, separate himself from that. It's that steady hand that you always hear about Gibbs having in the course of adversity. So what if the fans are mad now? How many times have we griped about being the "Champs of the off-season" Is that what's most important to us? Is it so important that we rush to name a head coach at the risk of regretting the decision come mid-October?

Like I've said before, I completely understand the frustration fans have. Hey, I'm frustrated too. I want a decision to be made so we can move on with our offseason plans. But if it takes a little longer than everyone wants for everyone (everyone who truly matters) to be comfortable with the decision, then so be it. But it's one thing to give rational responses to your frustration, and another to demand Snyder sell the team or you're taking your toys and going home.

If your (not speaking about you specifically 12th) answer to the wait is to go off the deep end, then really you need to get a life.

(by the way, do you ever see Jack Heinbaugh at WRC?)