Re: Reading between the lines I say Zorn is gone.
 

[quote=GMScud;513760]No doubt. That's why Wade Phillips ultimately won't win a damn thing in Dallas except regular season hype. On the flip side, look at Coughlin's Giants.[/quote]

You think Belicheck cares if the players have "issues" with him? Lol.


Good coaches make players buy into the system or they get new players.

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The article tries to give the impression tha Vinnie may be covering up for a forgone JZ. I listened to the show today (and that portion as well). It did not strike me that way at all. When asked about JZ's future, Vinnie seemed genuinely taken back, and a little insulted by the question. His covering the reponse twice seemed more a product of gaining his composure, rather than covering up.

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[quote=maroonandblack30;513758]Exactly... if the current players can't get along with JZ, they will hate Cower.[/quote]

Not necessarily, because Cowher has a bit of track record as a head coach in the NFL. It's not about getting along, it's about respect. Respect from coach to player and player to coach. Zorn hasn't yet earned that respect it seems. In time, he could though. By the same token, in many cases players on the roster haven't earned Zorn's respect.

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[quote=maroonandblack30;513667]Sub-par? Steelers, Cowboys, Giants, Ravens? those aren't sub par teams.[/quote]
How about the Rams and BenGALS then?

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^ bengals played all NFC east teams tough, OT giants, tied Birds... lost @ Boys not by much ..

beat us, i mean, we beat ourselves...

ur opinions get more near-sighted every post i see no disrespect...

but truth.

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[quote=firstdown;513668]What do you mean by classic front office speak. He said they have not discussed the issue so I would think that looks better for Zorn. If they are talking about the issue then they would be talking about letting him go.[/quote]


Do you follow professional sports in general? Front office guys lie all the time in professional sports. These guys are not going to say they are pulling the plug on a guy with 2 games to go since the guy hasn't coached a full season yet. Secondly, how many times have we heard this denial from front offices with regards to a coach that is on the hot seat? NBA and NFL front office guys are geat politicians ie liars. These guys deny anything until the deed has been done. If the Skins do indeed go 7-9 and they do it in last Sunday's fashion, Zorn is gone.

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Just watching Redskins Report, they all think Zorn is going to stay for another year and Danny Boy won't fire him. Wilbon said, "Unless Cowher is available". Riggo did bring up the idea of is Zorn enough of a survivor to stick around and not quit.

Also said that the coach hasn't lost the team, but the team has lost the coach.

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[quote=vallin21;513670]So your saying we can't beat those teams. 3 of those 4 games were at home. Baltimore is a 45 min drive. They might not be "sub par" but all 4 games are games we had a chance to win.[/quote]

"Chance to" does not equal win. And they definately aren't subpar teams.

If Zorn is gone the O will be even worse next year.

Re: Reading between the lines I say Zorn is gone.
 

[quote=Hog1;513762]The article tries to give the impression tha Vinnie may be covering up for a forgone JZ. I listened to the show today (and that portion as well). It did not strike me that way at all. When asked about JZ's future, Vinnie seemed genuinely taken back, and a little insulted by the question. His covering the reponse twice seemed more a product of gaining his composure, rather than covering up.[/quote]

I just heard it and that's the impression I got.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;513776]How about the Rams and BenGALS then?[/quote]

read the whole post before you make your comments. I was refering to a poster who said that the last 5 losses were to sub-par teams. The Bengals are sub-par but the other 4 will all make the playoffs.

Seriously, I know the Skins fall is disappointing but 5 of their 7 losses were to legit teams.... the sad thing is that if they had taken care of business against the Rams and Bungles they would probably be going to playoffs.

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[quote=twinskinsfan;513756]I am sure this was the topic of conversation with Gibbs his first stint as coach. He's back, hell you gotta give him a chance. Ridiculous to be talking about it....waste of time.[/quote]

It was different with Gibbs. Gibbs inherited a sub-par team and turned it around in two seasons. Zorn inherited a playoff team that was good enough to start 6-2. I understand the sentiment that Zorn needs time to put his system in place but in my eyes he's not head coaching material. In the last few years since I've seen this team play I've never seen such a lack of heart. One play that stuck out in my mind was during the Ravens game Joe Flacco was scrambling. In pursuit was Jason Taylor however he appeared to be jogging. Now maybe his leg is still messed up maybe he was keeping his pursuit angle in check but it just didn't look right. There have been countless other little observations I've made but that one just sticks out.

I know the players are partly at fault but whatever Zorn is doing isn't nearly good enough to light a fire under their butt to the point where they could at least beat the Bengals. To put it plainly, I believe he's a horrible motivator. And keeping him around for a few more years with a locker room that doesn't believe in him nor support him doesn't seem like a good idea. Of course theres the ultimate story of disfunction with Tom Coughlin holding up the lombardi trophy last season but I just don't see this going anywhere.

Sometimes I feel like this whole experience with Zorn as head coach is kind of like meeting a beautiful girl, hitting it off, then after the inital high wears off you find out that you have nothing in common.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;513821]It was different with Gibbs. Gibbs inherited a sub-par team and turned it around in two seasons. Zorn inherited a playoff team that was good enough to start 6-2. I understand the sentiment that Zorn needs time to put his system in place but in my eyes he's not head coaching material. In the last few years since I've seen this team play I've never seen such a lack of heart. One play that stuck out in my mind was during the Ravens game Joe Flacco was scrambling. In pursuit was Jason Taylor however he appeared to be jogging. Now maybe his leg is still messed up maybe he was keeping his pursuit angle in check but it just didn't look right. There have been countless other little observations I've made but that one just sticks out.

I know the players are partly at fault but whatever Zorn is doing isn't nearly good enough to light a fire under their butt to the point where they could at least beat the Bengals. To put it plainly, I believe he's a horrible motivator. And keeping him around for a few more years with a locker room that doesn't believe in him nor support him doesn't seem like a good idea. Of course theres the ultimate story of disfunction with Tom Coughlin holding up the lombardi trophy last season but I just don't see this going anywhere.

Sometimes I feel like this whole experience with Zorn as head coach is kind of like meeting a beautiful girl, hitting it off, then after the inital high wears off you find out that you have nothing in common.[/quote]I think you're already aware of this, but just because Gibbs' teams were winning in December, doesn't mean that some players weren't dogging it on some plays on his team also. Keep this in mind when you critique Zorn.

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and in gibbs FIRST stint, it was pretty much the same. new offense, ppl didnt bleeve, i wasnt alive but i've red & know.

give the fckin guy a chance.

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This whole thing is media driven . I strongly believe Zorn will be back unless he quits . I also have to think some fans want Zorn to go and are perpetuating the rumors if nothing else but to be martyrs .

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I love Joe Gibbs but last year when the players decided to play football it was not Joe they played for it was Sean Taylor. Instead of getting rid of JZ they need to weed out the deadbeats.