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[quote=The Goat;522807]I def don't have the expertise to answer. Just two thoughts though... not sure the HC comparison works. VC's real duty as I understand it is to get the very best talent into Redskins Park whereas the HC organizes, motivates and fosters that talent into results. Different skill set IMO and while the HC works w/ those players, builds rapport and basically turns experiences into knowledge, the talent gatherer has to evaluate a laundry list characteristics and various intangibles that separate players from eachother. I'm totally theorizing here but it seems a successful talent evaluator would've been around ball players for a long time and have a shit ton of experience to be really good at what they do.[/quote]

Agreed. They are two different positions, with two entirely different sets of requirements. I don't think anyone would argue that Vinny has certainly lagged behind the rest of the class, so to speak, regarding his learning curve (if he even has one). Not to beat a dead horse or anything, but I still keep hoping he's starting to figure out what makes a good FO and what doesn't -- because he's likely our top brass for a while.

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[quote=tryfuhl;522852]Pulling a 20 and a 33 would not be bad at all.. I dunno if they'd give that much up or not, but that'd be a deal that I'd be fine with biting on, unless our board didn't show us getting anything solid around there

I think that you really just have to see what's still there at 13[/quote]

Yeah two picks in the first would be hard to pass-up. A franchise tackle probably won't be there unless we're really, really lucky but a starting G/C (maybe this mack everybody likes) and a starting OLB. We'd have to bring in a starting RT from FA then IMO but hey we need to spend some money anyway right?

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[quote=Mattyk72;522661]Guys really... we've had one season where we know for sure that Vinny is calling the shots, or at least is calling the good majority. Last year's draft class needs another year or two before we can really judge it, and this year call me crazy but I think we'll see a commitment to getting some lineman in here.[/quote]

One season? What do you think he's been doing for the past nine years?

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After hearing what Vinny said at the Senior Bowl I'm about 94% sure we come away with a linebacker with our first pick. Good thing he's making sure we're getting young a position where we're having trouble with age /sarcasm.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;522913]After hearing what Vinny said at the Senior Bowl I'm about 94% sure we come away with a linebacker with our first pick. Good thing he's making sure we're getting young a position where we're having trouble with age /sarcasm.[/quote]

The problem is, linebacker is actually a position of need. Marcus Washington is a goner, London Fletcher's tank is running on empty, and Rocky McIntosh is shaping up to be nothing special.

But if they're going anywhere through the draft on D it has to be the line.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;522913][B]After hearing what Vinny said at the Senior Bowl I'm about 94% sure we come away with a linebacker with our first pick.[/B] Good thing he's making sure we're getting young a position where we're having trouble with age /sarcasm.[/quote]

Does that mean we're almost certain to trade down? I'm not hearing any names pop up when it comes to a LB worth grabbing @ 13.

Edit: looking @ mock drafts I saw Curry and Cushing are both projected to go in the top 15. I don't know anything about Curry but the video I saw of Cushing was less than impressive. He tends to lose his fit making the tackle... NFL backs will run through him if he doesn't get better on technique.

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Also Cushing was rated w/ below average durability, which is basically the biggest complaint about Marcus. I DON'T UNDERSTAND VINNY. By all accounts this draft has better o-line talent than compared to LB, WR or something else and yet he continues to look in the other direction. This is getting bizarre.

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[quote=Beemnseven;522912]One season? What do you think he's been doing for the past nine years?[/quote]

Totally...it's like the promotion last year somehow cleansed him.

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I wouldn't read too much into anything Vinny says pre-draft. Consider this: FO's jockey for position and play mind games all the time as they assemble their boards and do their mocks. I just read an article on the Bucs draft the year they selected both Warren Sapp and Derrick Brooks in the first round. Rich McKay said they put it out there that they wanted Mike Mamula out of BC to throw off the pursuit, for lack of a better term. Then they traded down and got an additional 1st for two 2nd round picks in a trade. End of story.

It's all spec and wordplay at this point. The only people who know what is really going to happen are those in the Redskins War Room.

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[quote=BigRedskinDaddy;522929]I wouldn't read too much into anything Vinny says pre-draft. Consider this: FO's jockey for position and play mind games all the time as they assemble their boards and do their mocks. I just read an article on the Bucs draft the year they selected both Warren Sapp and Derrick Brooks in the first round. Rich McKay said they put it out there that they wanted Mike Mamula out of BC to throw off the pursuit, for lack of a better term. Then they traded down and got an additional 1st for two 2nd round picks in a trade. End of story.

It's all spec and wordplay at this point. The only people who know what is really going to happen are those in the Redskins War Room.[/quote]

I don't know Vinny is pretty frank about what the team is going to do before the draft. For example last year he said they wanted to trade down and we did. Kept on talking how great Malcolm Kelly was next thing you know he's a Redskin. Also said before hand that they were going to get a late round QB to be developed and we got it with Colt. On top of all this one thing I noticed about Vinny last year was how he went on and on about receivers and look what happened.

This year the focus seems to be on linebackers so you can see why I would think the team will go linebacker with their first pick this year. In fact the only mention I've heard of the line has been from third hand sources, people that claim Sndyeratto feel the line is a high priority, still all their actions so far lead me to believe they are going to do as much as they can to focus on other positions despite the fact that not only is the draft deep at Tackle and Center, but there are plenty of quality, cost effective, OLB's available in free agency that can at least serve as a stop gap.

Personally unless Aaron Curry or Rey Maluga falls to us somehow I don't think theres much justification for taking a LB over an OT. And even then what are we going to do about the line? Their precious offense will fall apart if we keep on showing up with the guys they got, and afterwards they'll just scratch their heads wondering "what went wrong?" we took the best player available.

I guess if they can go after Vernon Carey and Khalif Barnes in Free Agency and then drafted a Center in the third then I can back off and let them draft the linebacker of their choice but I doubt they'll do such a thing.

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[url=http://www.examiner.com/x-450-Washington-Redskins-Examiner~y2009m1d18-Redskins-2008-part-2-Stumbling-through-the-draft]Washington Redskins Examiner: Redskins 2008 part 2: Stumbling through the draft[/URL]

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[quote=44ever;523001][url=http://www.examiner.com/x-450-Washington-Redskins-Examiner~y2009m1d18-Redskins-2008-part-2-Stumbling-through-the-draft]Washington Redskins Examiner: Redskins 2008 part 2: Stumbling through the draft[/URL][/quote]

Wow, that is a sobering article. Seems like Mark Newgent did a lot of research for this article. A few of his points are a reach, but you cant get around some of the statistics and points he tries to make.

He brings up one interesting point: a lot of the excuses according to Cerratto for drafting so many (three) receivers was they were the best players at the time in the draft, almost implying it was fate. But yet it was clear that by their earlier pursuit of Ocho Cinco and Anquan Boldin that acquiring receivers was at the top of their wish list. Getting the three receivers might have been more by design than the claims they make now.

Another interesting point:
"Let's look more closely at the short term. Dead cap totals for the past three years:
1 Tenn - $65 million
2 Houston - $57 million
3 Redskins $55 million
4 Miami - $50 million
5 Denver - $49 million
Now, as we went over, the Titans got rid of Reese - who has had a long and distinguished career and has a strong coaching backround along with his front office work - and went with a new regime. Houston parted with Charley Casserly, who ran and put together that expansion team. Denver fired its GM a few weeks back - though much of the blame must go to the ubber-powerful head coach there as well - and Miami completely overhauled its front office a few months back, with The Tuna ushering in a new regime."

Cerratto is the only remaining guy left on that turd laying list.
Snyder who is quick to fire under performing employees, will not fire Ceratto.
That is a funny caption under the photo of Snyderratto, "Do they look like they know what they are doing?"
Funny.

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it might take us to take signs to the games saying fire vinny. if gets enough air time during the game over a season, this will eat away at danny boy and make him fire him.

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[quote=Beemnseven;522912]One season? What do you think he's been doing for the past nine years?[/quote]

Yes for one season he was clearly the one calling the shots. In the past it was never clear if it was him, Snyder, Gibbs, Snyder's father, the janitor, etc.

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[quote=celts32;522928]Totally...it's like the promotion last year somehow cleansed him.[/quote]

No it didn't cleanse him, that's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is we now know who to blame. It's all on him now. In the past that wasn't clear.