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So you saying people weren't saying when was Peyton gonna when a playoff game? How long did it take him to win a playoff game? Took him until they filled up his skill positions and O-line with 1st round picks at the expense of the defense.

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Well Romo has NEVER won a playoff game so thats easy. try putting him in good company next time.

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I just like saying Romo never won a playoff game. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;569854]So you saying people weren't saying when was Peyton gonna when a playoff game? How long did it take him to win a playoff game? [B]Took him until they filled up his skill positions and O-line with 1st round picks at the expense of the defense[/B].[/quote]

They won a SB,so i guess it WORKED. just sayin

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;569854]So you saying people weren't saying when was Peyton gonna when a playoff game? How long did it take him to win a playoff game? Took him until they filled up his skill positions and O-line with 1st round picks at the expense of the defense.[/quote]

fail on many levels

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We will see what happens when he plays. I am usre Matty will pull this post back up.

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yep, whatever that means

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;569837]The QB position is a lot more than just "athletics". And don't forget Vick was running a 4.25, possibly a 4.2, 40-time in his prime. His great speed was his only asset. Now his trainer states "he can naturally run a 4.4", but to my knowledge he hasn't run a timed 40 anywhere recently. Bottom line, Vick's last three years at the QB position he stunk. If you want to move him to WR or "slash" type, a 4.4 at a skill position in the NFL is good but not great, a lot of guys run 4.4s in the NFL. And who knows if Vick has any hands for the WR position, as I remember he fumbled more than average as a QB.

Vick is damaged goods and it's very doubful he'll have any real success upon his return.[/quote]

The fact is your guessing. So he lost 2 tenths of a second on his 40. The 40 is a good measure for speed but does not touch the intangables like making players miss tackles. He's had 2 yrs to simply run around a fenced in field. 2 yrs to weight lift and get stronger. If I'm not mistaken they even allow balls in jail so he probably found a way to throw a ball once and a while. Most likely all he has to work on is his accuracy.

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[quote=SBXVII;569867]The fact is your guessing. So he lost 2 tenths of a second on his 40. The 40 is a good measure for speed but does not touch the intangables like making players miss tackles. He's had 2 yrs to simply run around a fenced in field. 2 yrs to weight lift and get stronger. If I'm not mistaken they even allow balls in jail so he probably found a way to throw a ball once and a while. Most likely all he has to work on is his accuracy.[/quote]
Uh, I am guessing too, but I don't think a jailhouse yard is going to provide the same benefits as a NFL level training regimen. Could he do the basics, yes, but coming back to his former level, and getting better in the areas he lacked, is going to be extremely difficult.

A difference between Vick and Mike Williams, is we know Williams didn't have the desire, or play up to his potential. Now whether he can or not, TC/PreSeason will tell. But Vick has to change the way he played, and show abilities he didn't seem to possess, even when he was fullout balling.

But time will tell with both.

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;569841]Pure speculation. Dude won more playoff games than Manning or Romo.[/quote]
Speculation? Another FAIL.

[URL]http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/29900-the-vick-factor-5.html#post559797[/URL]

2003 - QB Rating = 69
2004 - QB Rating = 78.1 Fumbles = 16
2005 - QB Rating = 73.1 Fumbles = 11
2006 - QB Rating = 75.7 Fumbles = 9

Not a stellar record in the playoffs 2-2 and pretty bad in the losses. The most recent playoff win was against the mighty 8-8 Rams.

[URL="http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/V/VickMi00_playoffs.htm"]Michael Vick Gamelogs and Game Logs - Pro-Football-Reference.com[/URL]

Matty - Archie LOL

Peyton Manning playoff wins = 7 (one's a SB)

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[quote=SBXVII;569867]The fact is your guessing. So he lost 2 tenths of a second on his 40. The 40 is a good measure for speed but does not touch the intangables like making players miss tackles. He's had 2 yrs to simply run around a fenced in field. 2 yrs to weight lift and get stronger. If I'm not mistaken they even allow balls in jail so he probably found a way to throw a ball once and a while. Most likely all he has to work on is his accuracy.[/quote]You're joking right? 2 tenths of a second is huge at the NFL level, think about the difference between a 4.4 & a 4.6 guy. And the 4.4 is speculation by his trainer, he might be at 4.5 or 4.6. Please don't tell me you think the federal pen in Leavenworth, KS is going to prepare Vick for the NFL. I've seen no mention of him throwing, just playing basketball and lifting. Oh yeah, he's also 29, people don't get faster as they age.

Vick didn't have accuracy in his prime, how's it going to develop now? That broad side of the barn he couldn't hit before, ain't gettin' any bigger.

My statements are certainly no "guess".

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;569872]Uh, I am guessing too, but I don't think a jailhouse yard is going to provide the same benefits as a NFL level training regimen. Could he do the basics, yes, but coming back to his former level, and getting better in the areas he lacked, is going to be extremely difficult.

A difference between Vick and Mike Williams, is we know Williams didn't have the desire, or play up to his potential. Now whether he can or not, TC/PreSeason will tell. But Vick has to change the way he played, and show abilities he didn't seem to possess, even when he was fullout balling.

But time will tell with both.[/quote]

Not saying he's 100%. Just saying I'm sure he kept himself in as good a shape as he could get in while in the big house.....you know running away from Bubba. LOL.

People keep talking about moving him to another position ie; WR a skilled position. That will take time and who knows if he will work out. If there are any teams looking at him I would guess it would be as QB or to be used as a QB in the Wild Cat situation.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;569884]You're joking right? 2 tenths of a second is huge at the NFL level, think about the difference between a 4.4 & a 4.6 guy. And the 4.4 is speculation by his trainer, he might be at 4.5 or 4.6. Please don't tell me you think the federal pen in Leavenworth, KS is going to prepare Vick for the NFL. I've seen no mention of him throwing, just playing basketball and lifting. Oh yeah, he's also 29, people don't get faster as they age.

Vick didn't have accuracy in his prime, how's it going to develop now? That broad side of the barn he couldn't hit before, ain't gettin' any bigger.

My statements are certainly no "guess".[/quote]

No I'm not joking. The only time 2 tenths of a second will come in to play is in the long run. Very similar to racing. Both cars shoot of the line at the same time but the car that is 2 tenths of a second faster will win in the long run ...right. But it takes a long run. 2 tenths of a second is not gunna matter when it comes to dropping back and having to side step a rusher. Thats agility. Most of MV runs were him side stepping rushers and while running down field making defensive players miss tackles. He hardly ever ran full speed straight down the field.

As far as your accuracy you are correct. Which is why I'm not really into him as a player. If our coach's felt they needed his talent to make the team better then I guess they would know best.

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[quote=SBXVII;569894]No I'm not joking. The only time 2 tenths of a second will come in to play is in the long run. Very similar to racing. Both cars shoot of the line at the same time but the car that is 2 tenths of a second faster will win in the long run ...right. But it takes a long run. 2 tenths of a second is not gunna matter when it comes to dropping back and having to side step a rusher. Thats agility. Most of MV runs were him side stepping rushers and while running down field making defensive players miss tackles. He hardly ever ran full speed straight down the field.

As far as your accuracy you are correct. Which is why I'm not really into him as a player. If our coach's felt they needed his talent to make the team better then I guess they would know best.[/quote]

Vick is not going to play QB when he comes back to the NFL.

What NFL team/head coach is going to stake their 3 year plan around the instability of his skillset...let alone after a stagnant 2 year prison stint?

Who's the guy that said Vick was preparing in prison like he was doing a two year training camp at Levenworth Fed???...lol...

No matter how you try to spin it his prison time is a total liability against his current athletic state.

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[quote=SBXVII;569894]No I'm not joking. The only time 2 tenths of a second will come in to play is in the long run. Very similar to racing. Both cars shoot of the line at the same time but the car that is 2 tenths of a second faster will win in the long run ...right. But it takes a long run. 2 tenths of a second is not gunna matter when it comes to dropping back and having to side step a rusher. Thats agility. Most of MV runs were him side stepping rushers and while running down field making defensive players miss tackles. He hardly ever ran full speed straight down the field. [/quote]I understand your point. I guess I should clarify mine. After his lay-off, with no NFL caliber training not only is his 40 going to be down, but his explosiveness (10-yd, shuttle, etc.) will be to. His greatest asset, foot-speed & explosiveness, is now at best a slightly above-average level for skill postions (WR,DB). He is not at the fastest, quickest player in the league level. Without the speed advantage he had before, he will not be successful unless he radically improves & changes the other areas of his game. At 29 and all other factors considered, while not impossible, I believe him being productive in the NFL is highly unlikely.