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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;622967[B]]Back during OTAs, Vinny did an interview where he said that Stephon Heyer was "unbeatable" as long as he remembered to stay low. [/B]We have now seen Stephon Heyer play full time for half a season and - unfortunately - he is eminantly "beatable" whether or not he stays low or stays high or keeps his head up his butt...


If Vinny watched Heyer play/practice and TRULY believed what he said, then you can see why the Skins never draft offensive linemen - - Vinny thinks Heyer is a starter and by that yardstick there are a thousand guys out there in "unsigned free agent territory" who are just as good.[/quote]

Hey Vinny. Do they have pads on during OTA's? No.

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I keep thinking "So these are the guys who weren't good enough to play when our our line was just plain bad huh?" How in the world could anyone with an iota of football sense have stood for this? Hell if I was Zorn I might have walked out prior to the season. Assuming I had any better notion of what good line play was. We can lay this at VC's feet but seriously we have what a dozen offensive coaches and no one went on a Pacino like rant about this line before the season? They all just fell into line about the "potential"? Baffling. truly baffling. How could Zorn get out there and have a straight face knowing what kind of talent we had on the line? Talk about mob mentality. The error of group think strikes again I guess.

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You know, I am having a hard time saying this, but i hope that Bugel is not our Oline coach next year. We have realy never been good under his controll since he came back. That may be because they never gave him good players, but I would like to see achange there.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;623147]You know, I am having a hard time saying this, but i hope that Bugel is not our Oline coach next year. We have realy never been good under his controll since he came back. That may be because they never gave him good players, but I would like to see achange there.[/quote]

Huh? During the Gibbs 2.0 years we were frequently ranked in the top 5 when it came to O-Line units. We were also always ranked high in rushing and sacks allowed (in a division with 3 elite pressure units during Gibbs 2.0). Bugels problem has been a GM that refuses to put any effort into building an O-Line.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;623152]Huh? During the Gibbs 2.0 years we were frequently ranked in the top 5 when it came to O-Line units. We were also always ranked high in rushing and sacks allowed (in a division with 3 elite pressure units during Gibbs 2.0). Bugels problem has been a GM that refuses to put any effort into building an O-Line.[/quote]
Our Oline has sucked since 2007. It was just ok before that. Yeah, I gues its the fact that they never get him any good players, but he has not developed anyone.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;623152]Huh? During the Gibbs 2.0 years we were frequently ranked in the top 5 when it came to O-Line units. We were also always ranked high in rushing and sacks allowed (in a division with 3 elite pressure units during Gibbs 2.0). Bugels problem has been a GM that refuses to put any effort into building an O-Line.[/quote]

Really? I thought the o-line had problems late into Gibbs 2.0....I mean isn't that where Jensen was breaking down and we had the likes of Kendall and Fabini?

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I mean, if he was is great, why cant he coach those sorry F**** up. Where is the miracle worker.

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He is the one that hand picked Rhinehart

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[quote=T.O.Killa;623147]You know, I am having a hard time saying this, but i hope that Bugel is not our Oline coach next year. We have realy never been good under his controll since he came back. That may be because they never gave him good players, but I would like to see achange there.[/quote]

I'm with you. I've been a fan of Buges for decades but it is time for a change.

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[quote=FRPLG;623060]I keep thinking "So these are the guys who weren't good enough to play when our our line was just plain bad huh?" How in the world could anyone with an iota of football sense have stood for this? Hell if I was Zorn I might have walked out prior to the season. Assuming I had any better notion of what good line play was. We can lay this at VC's feet but seriously we have what a dozen offensive coaches and no one went on a Pacino like rant about this line before the season? They all just fell into line about the "potential"? Baffling. truly baffling. How could Zorn get out there and have a straight face knowing what kind of talent we had on the line? Talk about mob mentality. The error of group think strikes again I guess.[/quote]

The sad thing is that even with all this clamering, the FO still hasn't said addressing the o-line is a priority this offseason

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[quote=T.O.Killa;623155]Our Oline has sucked since 2007. It was just ok before that. Yeah, I gues its the fact that they never get him any good players, but he has not developed anyone.[/quote]

Bugel helped develop Dockery and his work with Heyer is virtually the only reason that guy is in the league today. On a seperate note the only time a Gibbs 2.0 O-Line struggled was 2004. The reason people were pushing for O-Line in the 08 offseason was because they were getting old and Jansens 2nd injury was a wakeup call, despite Heyers strong play at the tail end of that season (minus the Seatle game). To those who would point to 06 as a year the O-Line struggled I'd suggest looking at sacks allowed and Betts rushing totals.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;623163]Bugel helped develop Dockery and his work with Heyer is virtually the only reason that guy is in the league today. On a seperate note the only time a Gibbs 2.0 O-Line struggled was 2004. The reason people were pushing for O-Line in the 08 offseason was because they were getting old and Jansens 2nd injury was a wakeup call, despite Heyers strong play at the tail end of that season (minus the Seatle game). To those who would point to 06 as a year the O-Line struggled I'd suggest looking at sacks allowed and Betts rushing totals.[/quote]Um, do you remember Todd Wade?

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[quote=GTripp0012;623164]Um, do you remember Todd Wade?[/quote]

Check mate. LOL.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;623161]The sad thing is that even with all this clamering, the FO still hasn't said addressing the o-line is a priority this offseason[/quote]

Considering we still have 8 games to go, I wouldn't expect the front office to be announcing plans for next offseason already.

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[quote=GTripp0012;623164]Um, do you remember Todd Wade?[/quote]

Even then they ran the ball well and protected the QB. The offense wasn't exactly elite that season but the defense was just plain horrible. 5 straight 100 yard games to close out the season and a 1,00 yard season for Betts.