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[quote=Landry44;650063]A few years ago, I told guys on ESPN Redskins message board, that trading our picks for veterans was bad way to build a team. They looked at it as not being a big deal. They felt as long as you got quality guys it didn't matter if we drafted them or acquired them in free agency. Three years later, these same guys now realize that they were wrong. The draft is very important. It's about time us as fans start showing some patience and let guys develop.

If you look at it, our team is old. Right now, we need to get younger on offense and defense. We need to build depth in every position, not just the OL. That is what the draft is for. I can't see why anybody would think it's a good idea to trade away the 4th pick to acquire a vet that you're not sure is going to work out. The best thing for us to do is to trade down. We need more picks.[/quote]

I hear what you're saying about the draft. We have started drafting players even under Cerrato's watch. My biggest beef with him was he neglected the O-line.

I don't share your view about the team bing old. Yes there are a few older players on the roster but nothing compared to the way it was last year and years before. Most of the older guys will be "retiring" this year anyway, IE: Thomas, Samuels, Wynn, Daniels, etc.

Some of the guys on the roster will be traded, cut, or let go. We have good young talent on this team at almost every position except the O-line, which has none.

We could upgrade in a few areas, but we do have young to medium aged players like Golston, Horton, Blades, Doughty, McIntosh, and Cartwright. They may not blow your socks off but they get the job done if used properly. This isn't taken into account guys that are coming into their own, IE: Orakpo, Jarmon, Davis, and Thomas.

Also, the team isn't going to have to learn a totally different offense.

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[quote=Lotus;650008]Living in Mississippi I've seen a lot of Snead and I think he should wait a year IMHO. He just does not seem ready for prime time.[/quote]

Agreed, but at the same time if he does come out he's probably a mid-rounder. Shanahan could take him and develop him while starting Campbell for one more year-which isn't all that unlikely.

Shanahan is definitely drafting a QB this year. I just don't know where

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[quote=SmootSmack;650234]Agreed, but at the same time if he does come out he's probably a mid-rounder. Shanahan could take him and develop him while starting Campbell for one more year-which isn't all that unlikely.

[B]Shanahan is definitely drafting a QB this year.[/B] I just don't know where[/quote]

Is there a reason for your certainty other than "new regimes mean new QB's"?

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[quote=Lotus;650248]Is there a reason for your certainty other than "new regimes mean new QB's"?[/quote]

Too many people telling me he's drafting a QB for me to not think it's true. But I've heard it could be the 1st round, could be the 2nd, could be as late as the 4th.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;650182]I hear what you're saying about the draft. We have started drafting players even under Cerrato's watch. My biggest beef with him was he neglected the O-line.

I don't share your view about the team bing old. Yes there are a few older players on the roster but nothing compared to the way it was last year and years before. Most of the older guys will be "retiring" this year anyway, IE: Thomas, Samuels, Wynn, Daniels, etc.

Some of the guys on the roster will be traded, cut, or let go. We have good young talent on this team at almost every position except the O-line, which has none.

We could upgrade in a few areas, but we do have young to medium aged players like Golston, Horton, Blades, Doughty, McIntosh, and Cartwright. They may not blow your socks off but they get the job done if used properly. This isn't taken into account guys that are coming into their own, IE: Orakpo, Jarmon, Davis, and Thomas.

Also, the team isn't going to have to learn a totally different offense.[/quote]

Hey Trample - that is an almost optimistic quote from you, don't get too carried away just yet.

just messing around, it's really good to see this team apparently moving toward the light.

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[quote=SmootSmack;650251]Too many people telling me he's drafting a QB for me to not think it's true. But I've heard it could be the 1st round, could be the 2nd, could be as late as the 4th.[/quote]

Although I'd love to take a stud LT at #4, I'm warming to the idea of taking a QB high. Heath Shuler and Norm Snead were our only attempts to draft an elite QB in the last 50 years. Maybe it is time for a change in "strategery."

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[quote=SmootSmack;650234]Agreed, but at the same time if he does come out he's probably a mid-rounder. Shanahan could take him and develop him while starting Campbell for one more year-which isn't all that unlikely.

[B]Shanahan is definitely drafting a QB this year.[/B] I just don't know where[/quote]

That's the ESPN company line. :Flush:

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[quote=Buster;650264]That's the ESPN company line. :Flush:[/quote]

LOL...sure

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[quote=Lotus;650261]Although I'd love to take a stud LT at #4, I'm warming to the idea of taking a QB high. Heath Shuler and Norm Snead were our only attempts to draft an elite QB in the last 50 years. Maybe it is time for a change in "strategery."[/quote]

I'm not entirely convinced that there is a stud LT at #4. I think we could get someone just as good in round 2.

If we don't take a QB or LT I suppose Berry is possible if he's there though I haven't really heard much indicating we're interested. And I'd still say keep an eye on Rolando McClain. Still it's very very early.

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[quote=Lotus;650163]You don't like Clausen? But you'd take Tebow at #4? Please explain both.[/quote]

I would be seriously pissed if we drafted Tebow at 4 - i was just dramatically emphasizing my dislike for Clausen. While I think has the physical and mental skills to to eventually be a good NFL QB, i don't think he's NFL-ready right now. However, my main distaste for him is less tangible and has more to do with his personality - or atleast what i've seen of it. he has the persona of a cocky (not the same as [U]confident[/U]), smart-ass kid who thinks too much of himself. I heard his interview with vinny cerrato and he just seemed like a total douche - he didn't seem like someone who would earn the respect of the locker room. To me, he just doesnt have the "it" factor. i don't see him as a "leader." Sam Bradford, Colt McCoy and Tim Tebow do. they have the persona that commands respect. While there is a high-risk, high reward factor with all of those guys (less so with Tebow), Bradford and McCoy are guys I can see being "manning/brady-esque" in their ability to make guys around them better, take the team on their shoulders, and win games. A guy with Claussen's attitude will never achieve that. I'd rather not gamble on any of these guys in the 1st round, but Claussens completely off my "board."

i mean, look at the guy.

[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:102007-JimmyClausen.jpg]File:102007-JimmyClausen.jpg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/url]

don't you just want to smack him?

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^ Yes.


Tebow seems like a great guy as a person (much like Zorn), but I don't want to experiment with a QB in the mold of others who have failed at the pro level. I don't think he'll succeed as a pro. His career could follow Pat White's...a backup or even emergency QB who only gets on the field for trick plays as a ball carrier.

I don't want to see the #4 pick wasted on any QB, but Tebow especially.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;650270]I would be seriously pissed if we drafted Tebow at 4 - i was just dramatically emphasizing my dislike for Clausen. While I think has the physical and mental skills to to eventually be a good NFL QB, i don't think he's NFL-ready right now. However, my main distaste for him is less tangible and has more to do with his personality - or atleast what i've seen of it. he has the persona of a cocky (not the same as [U]confident[/U]), smart-ass kid who thinks too much of himself. I heard his interview with vinny cerrato and he just seemed like a total douche - he didn't seem like someone who would earn the respect of the locker room. To me, he just doesnt have the "it" factor. i don't see him as a "leader." Sam Bradford, Colt McCoy and Tim Tebow do. they have the persona that commands respect. While there is a high-risk, high reward factor with all of those guys (less so with Tebow), Bradford and McCoy are guys I can see being "manning/brady-esque" in their ability to make guys around them better, take the team on their shoulders, and win games. A guy with Claussen's attitude will never achieve that. I'd rather not gamble on any of these guys in the 1st round, but Claussens completely off my "board."

i mean, look at the guy.

[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:102007-JimmyClausen.jpg]File:102007-JimmyClausen.jpg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/url]

don't you just want to smack him?[/quote]

Fair enough. You are not the first to call out Clausen as smug and arrogant.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;650270]I would be seriously pissed if we drafted Tebow at 4 - i was just dramatically emphasizing my dislike for Clausen. While I think has the physical and mental skills to to eventually be a good NFL QB, i don't think he's NFL-ready right now. However, my main distaste for him is less tangible and has more to do with his personality - or atleast what i've seen of it. he has the persona of a cocky (not the same as [U]confident[/U]), smart-ass kid who thinks too much of himself. I heard his interview with vinny cerrato and he just seemed like a total douche - he didn't seem like someone who would earn the respect of the locker room. To me, he just doesnt have the "it" factor. i don't see him as a "leader." Sam Bradford, Colt McCoy and Tim Tebow do. they have the persona that commands respect. While there is a high-risk, high reward factor with all of those guys (less so with Tebow), Bradford and McCoy are guys I can see being "manning/brady-esque" in their ability to make guys around them better, take the team on their shoulders, and win games. A guy with Claussen's attitude will never achieve that. I'd rather not gamble on any of these guys in the 1st round, but Claussens completely off my "board."

i mean, look at the guy.

[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:102007-JimmyClausen.jpg]File:102007-JimmyClausen.jpg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/url]

don't you just want to smack him?[/quote]

I agree with most of what you have to say. I wouldn't be totally pissed with McCoy in the first or Tebow in the second. Clausen just looks like a douche to me.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;650254]Hey Trample - that is an almost optimistic quote from you, don't get too carried away just yet.

just messing around, it's really good to see this team apparently moving toward the light.[/quote]

New year buddy - new year!

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My thoughts:

1. St Louis: May go QB here, but most likely Suh?
2. Detroit: Not going qb, Berry, Okung, Suh?
3. TB: Not going qb, Berry, McCoy, Okung
4. Washington: We may still have all of the QB's on the board if we so choose. Suh will be gone that's for sure. Okung most likely will be gone. I could see us sliding down a few spots if there's a partner willing. Teams need young qb's and we'll be sitting nicely. We potentially can slide down and still go OL or qb.