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[quote=CrazyCanuck;770065]I'm with Matty on this one. Cooley is fckn great. [B]Definitely our best offensive player.[/B] That being said I'm at the point where I think we have to trade him if the price is right. We have too many holes to fill.

I hate Fred Davis. Slowest TE I've ever seen. I'd take a 5th for him and be thrilled.[/quote]Hey, he might very well be our best player this year on offense. That would say more about the Redskins than about Captain Chaos, but I don't want to act like "maybe in decline" is the same as "he sucks and has no value".

In the past (2006-2008), Cooley clearly was the best player on the offense. The fact that the offense is at all time lows and Cooley might NOT still be the best player would suggest a decline. But this all just could be a mis-usage of a guy who is still our best offensive player. I'm just throwing it out there.

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[quote=Mattyk;770073]Davis had a much better 40 time than Cooley did coming out of college[/quote]

He could be faster than DG for all I know but he looks slow out there to me. Cooley gets upfield ten times quicker and more efficiently IMO.

86 is in my doghouse. :coach:

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Our offensive MVP this year, in my eyes, is Anthony Armstrong. Could have been Keiland Williams with a more inclusive role, could have been Trent Williams with better health, but AA is our best offensive player based entirely on the last 13 games.

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[quote=CrazyCanuck;770077]He could be faster than DG for all I know but he looks slow out there to me. Cooley gets upfield ten times quicker and more efficiently IMO.

86 is in my doghouse. :coach:[/quote]

It's clear your biases are clouding your vision. I once looked down on Keiland as clumsy, but at least I took off the blinders soon enough.

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[quote=GTripp0012;770080]Our offensive MVP this year, in my eyes, is Anthony Armstrong. Could have been Keiland Williams with a more inclusive role, could have been Trent Williams with better health, but AA is our best offensive player based entirely on the last 13 games.[/quote]

My nod goes to Ryan Torrain. When he's been on the field he's been simply unstoppable. All to often I would see him run into what looks like a pile of defenders only to see him come out clean on the other side. Sometimes he would accomplish this by being elusive other times it was done by simply bulldozing opponents.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;770129]My nod goes to Ryan Torrain. When he's been on the field he's been simply unstoppable. All to often I would see him run into what looks like a pile of defenders only to see him come out clean on the other side. Sometimes he would accomplish this by being elusive other times it was done by simply bulldozing opponents.[/quote]

I'm really looking forward to seeing what he can do next year. If he can just stay healthy he could put up some nice numbers.

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Earlier discussion about the upcoming draft got me thinking. So as it stands right now 2011 Draft, Redskins have :

1 Round
2 Round
5 Round
5 Round (Saints)
6 Round
6 Round (Colts)
7 Round

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The Redskins have a pick from the Colts, but I'm not positive it's a 6th rounder, might be 7th

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[quote=SmootSmack;770168]The Redskins have a pick from the Colts, but I'm not positive it's a 6th rounder, might be 7th[/quote]

With the Colts, even their 6th rounder is basically a 7th.

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[quote=DCtoAZ;769559]ok well .... this is why we hired Bruce Allen .... give him a f*cking 3 year plan ... i'm SICK OF BITCHING ABOUT THE PAST ... BLAH BLAH BLAH ... let's get this regime some time ... they are great in franchise mode on Madden 11 so i'm assuming this will work ? I won 2 Super Bowls w/ Shanny and McNabb ... the game doesn't lie people[/quote]Fine, give him a 3 year plan, but Shanallen already have a huge swing and miss with McNabb being one and done. There were some excellent Safeties still on the board when Philly used our 2nd rounder to grab one of them (Nate Allen). Taylor Mays was drafted a little later.

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[quote=SouperMeister;770219]Fine, give him a 3 year plan, but Shanallen already have a huge swing and miss with McNabb being one and done. There were some excellent Safeties still on the board when Philly used our 2nd rounder to grab one of them (Nate Allen). Taylor Mays was drafted a little later.[/quote]

Or we could have taken Terrence Cody, even though he was a late 2nd rounder. Instead, Baltimore now has TWO excellent nose tackles in Ngata and Cody and could let Ngata walk, trade him for something nice, etc.

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I think we can point to everything in the past for whats wrong with this team and I include the 4 yrs with Gibbs here. He should have stuck to racing

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Yet Gibbs did something no one else has been able to do under Snyder, multiple playoff appearances.

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[quote=Mattyk;770265]Yet Gibbs did something no one else has been able to do under Snyder, multiple playoff appearances.[/quote]

And yet the roster we have today still has some players from his comeback tour. Those who left...declined fast. Certainly not what Seifert inherited in San Francisco.

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[quote=Mattyk;769412]They say you need to give a draft class 3 years to fairly judge it, well let's look at the 2008 draft and see where it stands.

Devin Thomas - gone
Malcolm Kelly - IR
Fred Davis - 2nd TE
Chad Rinehart - gone
Justin Tryon - gone
Durant Brooks - gone
Kareem Moore - starting
Colt Brennan - gone
Rob Jackson - PS
Chris Horton - backup

Moore is the only guy currently starting and he's nothing special, Horton has been a decent reserve/spot starter, Jackson is still hanging on by a string on the PS, and Kelly is on IR. Davis is the only one of the bunch who's at least show he has a bright future, when utilized of course.

The rest of the guys are gone.

And we wonder why we have no depth right now.[/quote]


[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]For comparison sake i thought it would be nice to look at Denver's and Tampa’s 2008 draft. We had the 21st pick while Denver had 12 so obviously you would think that the overall talent level would be higher but since we swapped so much and had 3 picks in the 2nd I think everyone minus Ryan Clady was basically obtainable (for comparison sake) for us. Tampa had the 20th pick.[/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Denver[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Ryan Clady (lt) - An absolute beast LT – I hope TW does as well. [/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Eddie Royal (wr) – decent receiver [/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Kory Lichtensteiger (c/g) – cut now w/ us[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Jack Williams (cb) – don’t really know anything about him I think he’s a nickel corner though[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Ryan Torain (rb) – cut now w/ us[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Carlton Powell (dt) – blew his achilies in training camp his first year, most recently with the UFL[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Spencer Larsen (olb/fb) – seems like a Lorenzo Alexander type[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Josh Barrett (safety) – backup safety “stolen” by the patriots when he went though ir waivers[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Peyton Hillis (rb) – not sure what happened to him??[/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Tampa[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Aqib Talib (cb) - beast corner with anger management issues [/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Dexter Jackson (wr) – cut, bust receiver drafted because of his speed[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Jeremy Zuttah (c) – upgrade over Rabach [/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Dre Moore (dt) – I remember a lot of people wanting him around here. We can still get him; hes on Jacksonville PS[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Josh Johnson (qb) – backup QB[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Geno Hayes (lb) – decent lb [/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Cory Boyd (rb) – cut, Shanahan checked him out after he was released and subsequently released him. Currently in the CFL[/FONT][/COLOR]


Also something that really pissed me and a lot of other people off about our 2008 draft was that every single player earned a roster spot on our team. I remember being absolutely pissed when Leigh Torrance was released and Tyron was kept. I think the same was true with a lot of people when we kept Brooks over Frost, when Frost preformed a little better then Brooks in preseason.

I dont think this realyl tells us anything, other then reconfirming the notion that Shanahan knows how to draft RB's but i think its neat to look at.