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Maybe...or maybe you were just looking for another....ridiculous shot at the Shans?
Real tired stuff.....

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[quote=Hog1;872830]Maybe...or maybe you were just looking for another....ridiculous shot at the Shans?
Real tired stuff.....[/quote]If people want to be critical of me for being critical of the Redskins, I can't really fault them. I don't really see the world the way you do, I'm sorry.

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[quote=GTripp0012;872824]I was expecting the head coach to either not believe he's more important to the organization than his players, or if he does hold that belief, to be able to be the bigger man and not get caught up in being critical of a player on his way out of the organization.

Those expectations were probably too high.[/quote]

You'd really would hate Bill Parcells and Bill Bellicheat. Oh, they are Super Bowl winners as well....hrmmm...trend?

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[quote=JoeRedskin;872806]I would imagine b/c of the overwhelming number of players both present and former that have stated MS treated them fairly, even when they lost the competition for playing time.

Why would any player pay attention to a one-year sub who couldn't consistently outperform an undrafted rookie?[/quote]

Shanahan's days of high performance are far enough in the past now (in a league where avg player career is just about three years) that whatever positive things were said back in the day mean little now. Players will remember Mike's handling of the McNabb situation most likely.

...having a God complex (as Mike does) gets overlooked when you're winning and seen as a winner. When you're losing and clearly regressed at your job it just makes you look like a total a$$hole.

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Hasn't Shanahan been vindicated to a degree now with McNabb... considering he had the same issues in Minnesota (poor performance and work ethic)??

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[quote=Mattyk;872835]Hasn't Shanahan been vindicated to a degree now with McNabb... considering he had at the same issues in Minnesota (poor performance and work ethic)??[/quote]

Damn you man and your logic!! You and you meddling kids are interfering with my Hatting plans!!

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[quote=NC_Skins;872833]You'd really would hate Bill Parcells and Bill Bellicheat. Oh, they are Super Bowl winners as well....hrmmm...trend?[/quote]

I don't know about Parcells' antics much, but Bellichick's antics have always happened when he has had a winning team as far as I know. Honestly, I think this is a bit of a non-story, but at the same time I don't see the need for MS to act the way he acted. Once he starts winning, MS can do whatever the hell he wants to do, in the meantime, every little thing (such as this story) will be criticized by fans and the media.

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[quote=Mattyk;872835]Hasn't Shanahan been vindicated to a degree now with McNabb... considering he had at the same issues in Minnesota (poor performance and work ethic)??[/quote]

Maybe? Not sure what players think about it, assuming they care enough to form an opinion. DM was one of the most respected guys in the game and Mike handled him without "tact" as they say.

...personally I doubt any of the qaulity QBs available are real excited about the prospect of working with Mike and his kiddo. As the Zen master says...we'll see.

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[quote=Mattyk;872835]Hasn't Shanahan been vindicated to a degree now with McNabb... considering he had the same issues in Minnesota (poor performance and work ethic)??[/quote]

And McNabb did not have the cardiovascular endurance to run a 2-minute drill. LOL.

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[quote=The Goat;872841]Maybe? Not sure what players think about it, assuming they care enough to form an opinion. DM was one of the most respected guys in the game and Mike handled him without "tact" as they say.

...personally I doubt any of the qaulity QBs available are real excited about the prospect of working with Mike and his kiddo. As the Zen master says...we'll see.[/quote]

I think DM lost some of that respect these last few years. Letting yourself get out of shape and admitting you don't know what's going on isn't going to win you many fans in the locker room.

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[quote=Mattyk;872844]I think DM lost some of that respect these last few years. Letting yourself get out of shape and admitting you don't know what's going on isn't going to win you many fans in the locker room.[/quote]

True...I'd like to give both men (DM and Mike) the benefit of the doubt. Unfortunately, with Mike still here, still tactless, still losing...well call me an a$$hole for being irritated w/ him.

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[quote=Ruhskins;872840]I don't know about Parcells' antics much, but Bellichick's antics have always happened when he has had a winning team as far as I know. Honestly, I think this is a bit of a non-story, but at the same time I don't see the need for MS to act the way he acted. Once he starts winning, MS can do whatever the hell he wants to do, in the meantime, every little thing (such as this story) will be criticized by fans and the media.[/quote]

These guys aren't going to change their persona for anybody, regardless if they are winning or not. They are who they are.

I still giggle about that story of Parcells referring to Terry Glenn as "she".

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So we're not going to talk about Helu's, Cooley's, or Carriker's feelings on the troops talking at the final meeting? Oh ok

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[quote=SmootSmack;872849]So we're not going to talk about Helu's, Cooley's, or Carriker's feelings on the troops talking at the final meeting? Oh ok[/quote]

They'd rather take this opportunity to hate on Mike and Kyle.

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[quote=SmootSmack;872849]So we're not going to talk about Helu's, Cooley's, or Carriker's feelings on the troops talking at the final meeting? Oh ok[/quote]

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/post/mike-shanahan-leaves-final-meeting-to-troops/2012/01/02/gIQAvxUYWP_blog.html]Mike Shanahan leaves final meeting to troops - The Insider - The Washington Post[/url]

I think that was a pretty cool way to wrap the season. Puts into perspective a tough season and how you need to stick together.

Bowen said some good things, and I really like what AC said. I really hope we resign Carriker, class guy with some good production this season, like to see a 2-3 year extension.

I guess guys like Locklear dont have that same mentality. His tweet could be misconstrued as insulting to the troops, pretty sad.