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Anyone think dejon gomes will start

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[quote=Drewsky27;895496]Anyone think dejon gomes will start[/quote]

There's a good chance IMO. He didn't play badly last year - he just needed more seasoning. Even more, a better guy will be hard to come by, since safeties are not growing on trees either in FA or the draft.

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I just watched channel 8 news , and they said that a redskin source said the team is working on another trade and hopes to finalize it in the next day or two ..... anybody have any insight ? I looked on the news8 and wjla7 web page/s and found nothing more ?

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Nice to see RG111 is already a redskins Park working out :)

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[quote=budw38;895512]Nice to see RG111 is already a redskins Park working out :)[/quote]

Hopefully he's taking snaps from under center to get that down pat.

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[quote=budw38;895507]I just watched channel 8 news , and they said that a redskin source said the team is working on another trade and hopes to finalize it in the next day or two ..... anybody have any insight ? I looked on the news8 and wjla7 web page/s and found nothing more ?[/quote]

Moving back into the second round?

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Im all for picking Vincent Jackson. with moss/gaffney/Hankerson behind him we should be fine. We just need to find a starting right tackle somehow and improve overall depth on the line and this offense could be great.

if we bring fletcher back than we have a top 10 defense to pair it with.

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[quote=bigm29;895519]Im all for picking Vincent Jackson. with moss/gaffney/Hankerson behind him we should be fine. We just need to find a starting right tackle somehow and improve overall depth on the line and this offense could be great.

if we bring fletcher back than we have a top 10 defense to pair it with.[/quote]i'm so excited about jarvis jenkins. if we bring our defensive fas back, i really view safety as the only area in need of an upgrade

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[quote=30gut;895441]I think it would be nice to upgrade the WR spot but I guess I'm the only one that doesn't see it as a [I][B]need[/B][/I]?

Gaffney had one of, if not, his most productive seasons.
I haven't heard too much about Hankerson's injury but I'm gonna assume he's coming back 100% healthy.
There are a finite number of targets and I don't want to hinder/stall the development of Hankerson by burrying him on the depth chart where he'll struggle to get 1st/2nd team practice reps much less game targets.

[B]If you agree that injuries and a long ball challenged QB had a negative effect on the production of Moss and Armstong then its not unreasonable to view them as players talented enough put up these numbers:[/B]

Armstrong: 44 rec 871 yards 19.8 YPC

Moss: 93 catches for 1115 yards (both top 10)[/quote]
Well maybe that's where we differ. I don't think injuries and Grossman made a huge impact on our WR production last year, I just think we didn't have much talent there. You mentioned Gaffney who had a career season, you're right..at 31 years old. There's very limited upside there. I don't think he will match those numbers and really doubt he will ever exceed them.

Moss's numbers were impacted by his injuries, true, but when he was healthy he wasn't explosive, didn't threaten defenses and dropped way too many passes. I just think he's pretty much done. He had a great 2010 but for what we are paying him, he needs to replicate those numbers and I don't think he's still capable to do so.

I don't think Armstrong, Banks, Austin, Paul, Stallworth or Robinson are anything special. I'd like to keep Paul around because he may develop into a James Thrash type and Robinson for depth and maybe he develops into a deep threat. If we only returned Gaffney, Hankerson & Paul I would be perfectly ok with that.

In the red zone we have no targets from our WR corp. Hankerson is 'big' by our standards but he's barely 6'2, not a huge target and he's unproven. I think he will be a good player, perhaps very good but he will develop better with more threats around him.

I don't think we need a 'splash' player here.. I'd be thrilled with Garcon & Royal or Meachem. We've got enough other holes to fill we don't need to go crazy at this position but it does need significant focus.

I'll be happy if opening day features:
Garcon/Meachem
Hankerson
Royal
Gaffney
Paul
Draft pick or Robinson

I'd also be fine if we signed Jackson, but I don't think it would be our best use of the money..

Since this is already long, might as well tack on a few more thoughts:
-Forget Nicks and Grubbs.. They are not good scheme fits nor is it like Shanny to pay big money to interior linemen. More than likely is someone from Houston (Myers or Briesel) who knows the scheme and can solidify the middle with Steiger and Chester..
-Don't be surprised to see us add a feature type back in FA or in the 3rd round. What about Helu?? Shanny has called him on a few occassions a nice change of pace back and he wasn't really drafted to be a 250-300 carry guy. He's not built for that..
-After WR is taken care of, RT is the next big fill.. Anthony Collins or Levi Brown could be a big play here.. If they fix this spot, our offense could take a big leap..
-Don't be shocked if Fletcher doesn't return. He's looking to get PAID and we may be able to get close to his production and save about 10 years. It would suck to lose him but if the defense can get younger for the same price without a huge dropoff it's the smart thing to do.
-While I'd love Terrell Thomas, it's more likely we're looking for nickel type backs than a starter. Just spent big on Wilson last year and Hall will be tough to release. They will probably go with the logic if the offense is better, the secondary will improve because teams will have to throw more and create turnover opportunities.

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[quote=Lotus;895500]There's a good chance IMO. He didn't play badly last year - he just needed more seasoning. Even more, a better guy will be hard to come by, since safeties are not growing on trees either in FA or the draft.[/quote]

there's tons in FA. they're all just average players though:

Atari Bigby - 35 starts - last good year - 2007/2009
Erik Coleman - 81 starts - last good year -2004-2006, 2008-2009
Sean Considine - 28 starts - 2006
Deon Grant - 161 starts - 2011ish - consistant
Chris Hope - 109 starts - 2010
Jim Leonhard - 60 starts - 2010
Brandon Meriweather - 44 starts - 2010
Reggie Nelson - 64 starts - 2011
Brodney Pool - 67 starts - 2009
Bob Sanders - 48 starts - 2007 - WOW on the injuries... never there
Madieu Williams - 86 starts - 2010
Gibril Wilson - 81 starts - 2010


I believe all those guys have multiple years as a starter.
I'd try out merriweather, nelson, maybe grant, hope, or wilson. grab 2-3 and hope one works out. most of them will be stupid cheap.

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levi brown is an oaf (not athletic enough) and he'll be too expensive. i think harris is the better option.

i agree that meachem and robinson (well, laurent robinson) would be great guys to have on opening day (and CHEAP compared to VJ).

don't get me wrong, VJ would be great if his production doesn't fall off a cliff during his next contract AND if his contract isn't so big that it precludes us from fixing our RT/CB holes which i think are bigger issues.

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[quote=That Guy;895525]there's tons in FA. they're all just average players though:

Atari Bigby - 35 starts - last good year - 2007/2009
Erik Coleman - 81 starts - last good year -2004-2006, 2008-2009
Sean Considine - 28 starts - 2006
Deon Grant - 161 starts - 2011ish - consistant
Chris Hope - 109 starts - 2010
Jim Leonhard - 60 starts - 2010
Brandon Meriweather - 44 starts - 2010
Reggie Nelson - 64 starts - 2011
Brodney Pool - 67 starts - 2009
Bob Sanders - 48 starts - 2007 - WOW on the injuries... never there
Madieu Williams - 86 starts - 2010
Gibril Wilson - 81 starts - 2010


I believe all those guys have multiple years as a starter.
I'd try out merriweather, nelson, maybe grant, hope, or wilson. grab 2-3 and hope one works out. most of them will be stupid cheap.[/quote]

I agree that there is a bunch of safeties. But the issue I mentioned concerned whether they really were all that good. The list you gave is an impressive list of "just a guy."

It may be that Shanny sees Gomes as potentially more than "just a guy."

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Ryan Harris has come up several times in this and other threads, but he isn't a Free Agent.

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[quote=Bubba305-ST21-;895425]we need a burner for RG3's bombs. and a safety, we are in a bad spot there when laron leaves, i dont trust gomes, and theres not many good safetys on the market. i think we need to draft one in the 3rd.[/quote]

This draft has been noted by alot of people to be the weakest Safety draft in 10 years.