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[quote=Monkeydad;974230]Agreed 100%.

He's a worthless human being. He chose to get drunk. This murder was a conscious decision, not a mistake or the fault of the alcohol. Unless he has some major learning disability, he knew getting drunk and driving is a dangerous DECISION. He's no victim, he did this to himself and to the man he killed, who pretty much provided the nails to his own coffin by riding with a drunk. They're not heroes or victims, they're people who chose to partake in knowingly dangerous, illegal and just plain stupid actions at their own free will.

The families may need support systems, but this murderer needs prison time so he cant be on the streets to kill someone else.





I hate that excuse. He was in the right mind when he bought the drinks. Whatever happens after that is his own fault.[/quote]

I was responding about how he acted after the accident.

Re: Cowboys DT charged with Intoxicated Manslaughter
 

[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;974224]By wow, i hope youre referring to Stacee McWilliams using this tragic incident to get her 15 minutes of fame. And PFT for perpetuating it by using such a licentious and inflamitory article name and not providing commentary...

Brent was intoxicated and just in an accident. the car FLIPPED AND ROLLED OVER. McWilliams stated that every time she spoke to him and told him to get his friend out of the car, his reply was "he won't get out of the car."

[B]Its blatantly obvious Brent was in shock. [/B] The idea that McWilliams and PFT are perpetuating the idea that he just didnt care about his friend is absurd.

McWilliams says she's coming forward because she doesn't want anyone to think Brents a hero - who the frack has said he's a hero?!?! No one. This woman is trying to capitalize on a tragedy for media attention and it disgusts me to my core.[/quote]

i dont know maybe my wow I was in shock if true. I hope, ****in idoit

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Regarding all these comments about Brent needing a support system and the team helping him... do any of you have jobs where, if you are drunk driving and kill someone, your employer will keep paying you and provide you with resources to help you?

It got me thinking about the NFLs system where players can a number and have a cab pick them up, free of charge, no questions asked. While i'd certainly rather players do that than drive junk, why the F--- is the NFL paying for this service? These players make enough money to call their own damn taxis.

Players dont deserve special privileges or considerations that aren't available to anyone else. a Actor/Athlete gets involved in something like this, and people act like they deserve some special sympathy... when joe schmoe does the same thing and he's a dirtbag.

I'm for those that say the NFL should throw this guy to the wolves. I believe everyone has good in them and hope Brent can serve his time, make changes in his life, and take actions to right the wrongs he committed. But its not the Cowboys/NFL/NFLPAs place to help him or provide him support. His friends and family can do that.

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Just a minor point, it's not free of charge

Re: Cowboys DT charged with Intoxicated Manslaughter
 

[quote=Monkeydad;974230]Agreed 100%.

He's a worthless human being. He chose to get drunk. This murder was a conscious decision, not a mistake or the fault of the alcohol. Unless he has some major learning disability, he knew getting drunk and driving is a dangerous DECISION. He's no victim, he did this to himself and to the man he killed, who pretty much provided the nails to his own coffin by riding with a drunk. They're not heroes or victims, they're people who chose to partake in knowingly dangerous, illegal and just plain stupid actions at their own free will.

The families may need support systems, but this murderer needs prison time so he cant be on the streets to kill someone else.

I hate that excuse. He was in the right mind when he bought the drinks. Whatever happens after that is his own fault.[/quote]

If you were texting while driving and it resulted in the death of your passenger, should you be charged with manslaughter? What if the passanger was encouraging you to respond to a text?

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Unless Brown unwillingly, unknowingly or unconsciously got in the car with Brent, he was putting himself in danger. What happened was extremely unfortunate but all too common. At the end of the day it was just 2 guys that went out and got drunk, and then foolishly, yet willing, got into a car and individually put themselves in danger. [/FONT][/COLOR][/FONT][/COLOR]

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[quote=mlmpetert;974256][B]If you were texting while driving and it resulted in the death of your passenger, should you be charged with manslaughter? What if the passanger was encouraging you to respond to a text?[/B]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Unless Brown unwillingly, unknowingly or unconsciously got in the car with Brent, he was putting himself in danger. What happened was extremely unfortunate but all too common. At the end of the day it was just 2 guys that went out and got drunk, and then foolishly, yet willing, got into a car and individually put themselves in danger. [/FONT][/COLOR][/FONT][/COLOR][/quote]1. why not?
2. the passenger is more than welcome to respond to the text for me

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;974224]By wow, i hope youre referring to Stacee McWilliams using this tragic incident to get her 15 minutes of fame. And PFT for perpetuating it by using such a licentious and inflamitory article name and not providing commentary...

Brent was intoxicated and just in an accident. the car FLIPPED AND ROLLED OVER. McWilliams stated that every time she spoke to him and told him to get his friend out of the car, his reply was "he won't get out of the car."

[B]Its blatantly obvious Brent was in shock. [/B]The idea that McWilliams and PFT are perpetuating the idea that he just didnt care about his friend is absurd.

McWilliams says she's coming forward because she doesn't want anyone to think Brents a hero - who the frack has said he's a hero?!?! No one. This woman is trying to capitalize on a tragedy for media attention and it disgusts me to my core.[/quote]

Couldnt agree more. PFT seems to have become much more opinionated (if possible) this year.

[url=http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/cowboys/2012/12/10/dallas-cowboys-josh-brent-jerry-brown-memorial/1759951/]Brown's mother wants Brent to attend memorial with her[/url]


"I was upset, but I realized that our youth today are young and stupid, and we were all once that age, and we've all done things we're not proud of," Jackson said on Monday's [I]Piers Morgan Tonight[/I] on CNN. "I realized that everyone thinks they're invincible, and everyone thinks, 'It's not going to happen to me.'

"I know Josh Brent, and he's been part of our family since Jerry went to the University of Illinois. All I can do is to pray for him and his family. I know he is hurting just as much as we are, because (he) and Jerry were like brothers."

Re: Cowboys DT charged with Intoxicated Manslaughter
 

[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;974242]Regarding all these comments about Brent needing a support system and the team helping him... do any of you have jobs where, if you are drunk driving and kill someone, your employer will keep paying you and provide you with resources to help you?

It got me thinking about the NFLs system where players can a number and have a cab pick them up, free of charge, no questions asked. While i'd certainly rather players do that than drive junk, why the F--- is the NFL paying for this service? These players make enough money to call their own damn taxis.

[B]Players dont deserve special privileges or considerations that aren't available to anyone else. a Actor/Athlete gets involved in something like this[/B], and people act like they deserve some special sympathy... when joe schmoe does the same thing and he's a dirtbag.

I'm for those that say the NFL should throw this guy to the wolves. I believe everyone has good in them and hope Brent can serve his time, make changes in his life, and take actions to right the wrongs he committed. But its not the Cowboys/NFL/NFLPAs place to help him or provide him support. His friends and family can do that.[/quote]

It is the fact they are seen as investments and because of this they get services to make sure they are kept safe. That is all it comes down to. You put millions of dollars into some one you want to make sure they stay safe no matter how dumb they are.

Re: Cowboys DT charged with Intoxicated Manslaughter
 

[quote=Monkeydad;974230]Agreed 100%.

He's a worthless human being. He chose to get drunk. This murder was a conscious decision, not a mistake or the fault of the alcohol. Unless he has some major learning disability, he knew getting drunk and driving is a dangerous DECISION. He's no victim, he did this to himself and to the man he killed, who pretty much provided the nails to his own coffin by riding with a drunk. They're not heroes or victims, they're people who chose to partake in knowingly dangerous, illegal and just plain stupid actions at their own free will.

The families may need support systems, but this murderer needs prison time so he cant be on the streets to kill someone else.

I hate that excuse. He was in the right mind when he bought the drinks. Whatever happens after that is his own fault.[/quote]

I think Brent deserves whatever punishment comes to him, including living with the guilt of causing his friend's death.

That being said, although I hate to pile on someone who has passed on, Brown was no innocent bystander in this situation. As he also drank and got in the car with someone that was drunk. He paid for that mistake with his life and that is tragic.

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[quote=los panda;974257]1. why not?
2. the passenger is more than welcome to respond to the text for me[/quote]


1). I think all should be treated the same (speeding/reckless/drunk/distracted) driving. Im just not sure what the appropriate treatment should be.

2). So if the passenger didnt ask to respond for you, would it make him more culpable in the the outcome of his inaction. Simularlly, if Brown were sober and didnt switch places with Brent, would he now be culpable for his death?

I dont want to go back and forth or get hypothetical, i just think that considering Brown willingly got in the car with Brent, he is responsible for his own death.

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[quote=donofriose;974260]It is the fact they are seen as investments and because of this they get services to make sure they are kept safe. That is all it comes down to. You put millions of dollars into some one you want to make sure they stay safe no matter how dumb they are.[/quote]

Thats a very good point. From a business perspective, it makes sense> it just bothers me from a moral perspective.

[QUOTE=Monkeydad;974223]Killing someone is a little bigger than "just a mistake".

Driving drunk is not a "mistake", it's a damn stupid decision that you could pay for...but others shouldn't have to.

I have zero tolerance for drunk drivers. My wife and kids got t-boned by a drunk last year who went through a stop sign without even slowing down...thank God they were unharmed (car was totaled), but it should never have happened in the first place.

Even before that day, I had the same view on it. This just put it on concrete.[/QUOTE]

I think we agree here that it's a horrible thing to do and it puts everyone in danger.

The real question is how do you cure this epidemic our nation deals with on a daily basis? I personally think crucifying the drivers isn't the only or long term solution. Dui laws continue to grow and I don't think we've had a significant change in the number of accidents and deaths (correct me if I'm wrong here).

To be honest, I think something radical like bha's proposal of making breathilizers manditory in all new cars is an interesting idea. Obviously doesn't stop all occurrences but its a start. And its something different.

Yeah, its sad we can't regulate ourselves and it would be some big brother ish but I think its better than what we have now. Call me whatever you want, but less deaths and less lives ruined to drunk driving is worth it.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;974224]By wow, i hope youre referring to Stacee McWilliams using this tragic incident to get her 15 minutes of fame. And PFT for perpetuating it by using such a licentious and inflamitory article name and not providing commentary...

Brent was intoxicated and just in an accident. the car FLIPPED AND ROLLED OVER. McWilliams stated that every time she spoke to him and told him to get his friend out of the car, his reply was "he won't get out of the car."

[B]Its blatantly obvious Brent was in shock. [/B] The idea that McWilliams and PFT are perpetuating the idea that he just didnt care about his friend is absurd.

McWilliams says she's coming forward because she doesn't want anyone to think Brents a hero - who the frack has said he's a hero?!?! No one. This woman is trying to capitalize on a tragedy for media attention and it disgusts me to my core.[/quote]
I agree. This article just gets people to jump to conclusions and make it more sensational. It's this kinda garbage that use to lead to mob justice. The guy was obviously shook up and of course impaired by alcohol. It's sad and was completely avoidable and he definitely made a bad decision that will affect him the rest of his life. The article is just piling on BS that tries to make it even worse.

[QUOTE=BigHairedAristocrat;974224]By wow, i hope youre referring to Stacee McWilliams using this tragic incident to get her 15 minutes of fame. And PFT for perpetuating it by using such a licentious and inflamitory article name and not providing commentary...

Brent was intoxicated and just in an accident. the car FLIPPED AND ROLLED OVER. McWilliams stated that every time she spoke to him and told him to get his friend out of the car, his reply was "he won't get out of the car."

[B]Its blatantly obvious Brent was in shock. [/B] The idea that McWilliams and PFT are perpetuating the idea that he just didnt care about his friend is absurd.

McWilliams says she's coming forward because she doesn't want anyone to think Brents a hero - who the frack has said he's a hero?!?! No one. This woman is trying to capitalize on a tragedy for media attention and it disgusts me to my core.[/QUOTE]

Thank you because that article seemed so absurd and twisted.

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[quote=hooskins;974275]I think we agree here that it's a horrible thing to do and it puts everyone in danger.

The real question is how do you cure this epidemic our nation deals with on a daily basis? I personally think crucifying the drivers isn't the only or long term solution. Dui laws continue to grow and I don't think we've had a significant change in the number of accidents and deaths (correct me if I'm wrong here).

To be honest, I think something radical like bha's proposal of making breathilizers manditory in all new cars is an interesting idea. Obviously doesn't stop all occurrences but its a start. And its something different.

Yeah, its sad we can't regulate ourselves and it would be some big brother ish but I think its better than what we have now. Call me whatever you want, but less deaths and less lives ruined to drunk driving is worth it.[/quote]

Deaths have dropped to an all time low. The number are skewed but that's another thread.


Not only did the number of people killed in drunk driving crashes in 2011 (9,878) drop by 2.5 percent from the number killed in 2010 (10,136), but this decline outpaced the 1.9 percent decrease in overall highway deaths. "Our efforts are paying off in lives saved and injuries prevented," added Withers.
Since MADD was founded in 1980, more than 300,000 lives have been saved as a result of efforts to strengthen drunk driving laws and raise awareness about this 100 percent preventable crime. In addition, since MADD's [I]Campaign to Eliminate Drunk Driving[/I] was launched in 2006, we've seen an almost 27 percent decrease in drunk driving fatalities. The campaign includes three important components: 1) supporting high-visibility law enforcement efforts, such as sobriety checkpoints and NHTSA's nationwide 'Drive Sober or Get Pulled Over' campaign; 2) requiring ignition interlocks for all convicted drunk drivers; and 3) supporting the development of technology to automatically determine whether a driver is at or above the legal limit of .08 blood alcohol concentration (BAC).