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[quote=Chico23231;1062547]Well if Gruden [I]continues[/I] to be a fan. He's stated he showed film of Garcon to his receivers and has stated such.[/quote]Indy Garcon, I hope.

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The WP offseason Twilight Zone lives on...


Our best offensive player and the league leader in catches is no better than Leonard Hankerson, who is on the way to being a draft bust.

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[quote=GTripp0012;1062541]Can save $5.3 million to release or $7.5 million with a post June 1 designation.

$5 MM AAV can get you a better receiver than Garcon on the open market in most years. Plus: they're going to draft someone from a loaded WR class who is going to need someone to get released from the rotation in order to get increased reps.

It's a no brainer.[/quote]

You are always so self-assured in your opinions yet they are so often completely detached from reality.

Garcon led the NFL in receptions this year, GTripp. Go spout your know-it-all bullshit somewhere else.

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[quote=Schneed10;1062565]You are always so self-assured in your opinions yet they are so often completely detached from reality.

Garcon led the NFL in receptions this year, GTripp. Go spout your know-it-all bullshit somewhere else.[/quote]Edelman was second, no?

Are you giving him 10 million a season?

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[quote=GTripp0012;1062543]If Gruden is a fan. Gruden came from Cincinnati, where he had AJ Green, Marvin Jones, Mohammad Sanu, and Andrew Hawkins. He's going to try to put something similar together here, and that gets a lot easier when Garcon isn't hogging $9 million on the cap.

He's a necessary part of this year's roster, so I'm not suggesting that Gruden can't wait to get Garcon out of town. I just think the offense is going to be Jordan Reed-centric because...well, obviously.[/quote]

So I guess when AJ Green's contract extension comes up, which should be sometime in the next couple years, do you think the Bengals won't be willing to give him a huge deal with a large cap hit? Because if they want to keep their nice core of receivers together, it's going to be hard to justify when one of them has a huge salary.

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[quote=mooby;1062580]So I guess when AJ Green's contract extension comes up, which should be sometime in the next couple years, do you think the Bengals won't be willing to give him a huge deal with a large cap hit? Because if they want to keep their nice core of receivers together, it's going to be hard to justify when one of them has a huge salary.[/quote]No because A.J. Green is treated as one of the 10 best offensive players in football by both offenses and defenses. So if you have to, you just allocate more resources to the receiver position.

I know people find this objectionable, but Garcon is just a guy. He's not a bad player. He's just an unremarkable one, one with strengths (he blocks well and he's great after the catch), and weaknesses (he needs the scheme to get him open, inconsistent catcher). I like him more than Julian Edelman, but they're both proof that 100 catches can be done by any player of quality in the NFL, not just the special guys. He's the same guy he was in Indy when he split reps with Austin Collie.

Sometimes, you'll see a team follow him with a better cover guy, but that's more an indictment of the rest of the offense than a complement of Garcon. Safety alignment never changes based on where he lines up.

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If Garcon is as productive this year as last, which most assume he will be, or close to it, no way we let our true number one walk. To think so is just crazy. We have some cap money to spend, and will next year as well. Its like fans want a bad ass team, but want to sign 95% of the players to vet min money. Its not your money, so just be worried about the player.

We finally hit on a legitimate free agent who we paid big money, like we have done so many times before, and when finally one of them performs outstanding, his cap hit is too much, so he is going to become a cap casualty? We let the league leader in catches (even when RG3 is in a down year) go to another squad?????????? You smokin something?

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[quote=GTripp0012;1062584]No because A.J. Green is treated as one of the 10 best offensive players in football by both offenses and defenses. So if you have to, you just allocate more resources to the receiver position.

I know people find this objectionable, but Garcon is just a guy. He's not a bad player. He's just an unremarkable one, one with strengths (he blocks well and he's great after the catch), and weaknesses (he needs the scheme to get him open, inconsistent catcher). I like him more than Julian Edelman, but they're both proof that 100 catches can be done by any player of quality in the NFL, not just the special guys. He's the same guy he was in Indy when he split reps with Austin Collie.

Sometimes, you'll see a team follow him with a better cover guy, but that's more an indictment of the rest of the offense than a complement of Garcon. Safety alignment never changes based on where he lines up.[/quote]

Garcon is just a guy? Ok, Ive heard enough of this lunacy.......

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[quote=GTripp0012;1062566]Edelman was second, no?

Are you giving him 10 million a season?[/quote]

The slot WR in Brady's offense is a terrible comparison and you know it.

Secondly, I don't mind people being wrong, but when you're a know-it-all blowhard AND you're wrong, then I hate it. You need to just shut the fuck up and here's why.

Last year Garcon's cap number was $8.2M in a season when the cap was $123M. In other words he occupied 6.7% of the team's cap space.

This year with the cap at $133M and his cap number at $9.7M, he will occupy 7.3% of the team's cap space.

Next year and the year after, when you're proposing the team cut him, [B]he will occupy less % of space than he will this year[/B]. Next year his cap number will be $9.7M or 6.9% of an estimated $140M cap. And in 2016 he will have a cap number of $10.2M, or 6.8% of an estimated $150M cap. And the cap may actually go up faster than that, making those %s even lower.

Again, currently 7.3% of the cap. Next year, 6.9% of the cap. 2016, 6.8% of the cap. And that's if they decide not to restructure any of that base salary and extend him.

Just shut the fuck up. He's an integral part of the team, one of the best players we have, Griffin's favorite target by far. He's not going anywhere. Now please just go away.

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I am a Johnny come lately to the Garcon conversation, but he is worth every single penny we are paying him... His play last year proved that Mike got this signing right...

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[quote=Fiversons;1062588]I am a Johnny come lately to the Garcon conversation, but he is worth every single penny we are paying him... His play last year proved that Mike got this signing right...[/quote]

Welcome to the WP!

gtripp has always been our resident pessimist, but he's gone all Mylie Cyrus-crazy on us this offseason.

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[quote=Schneed10;1062587]The slot WR in Brady's offense is a terrible comparison and you know it.

[B]Secondly, I don't mind people being wrong, but when you're a know-it-all blowhard AND you're wrong, then I hate it. You need to just shut the fuck up and here's why.[/B]

Last year Garcon's cap number was $8.2M in a season when the cap was $123M. In other words he occupied 6.7% of the team's cap space.

This year with the cap at $133M and his cap number at $9.7M, he will occupy 7.3% of the team's cap space.

Next year and the year after, when you're proposing the team cut him, [B]he will occupy less % of space than he will this year[/B]. Next year his cap number will be $9.7M or 6.9% of an estimated $140M cap. And in 2016 he will have a cap number of $10.2M, or 6.8% of an estimated $150M cap. And the cap may actually go up faster than that, making those %s even lower.

Again, currently 7.3% of the cap. Next year, 6.9% of the cap. 2016, 6.8% of the cap. And that's if they decide not to restructure any of that base salary and extend him.

Just shut the fuck up. He's an integral part of the team, one of the best players we have, Griffin's favorite target by far. He's not going anywhere. Now please just go away.[/quote]Weird, because I hate that too! I guess we're pretty similar.

And you'll hate to find out how meaningless it is to lead the league in receptions when people think that matters! Do it on fewer targets, and then you'll really impress me. High efficiency is sexy.

Here's the thing, he's an integral part of a past team. I respect your salary cap percentage argument, though even you would admit that it's comparing apples to oranges given how much the Redskins spent in terms of cash in 2013 vs. 2015 projections. The marginal value of the cap space will be very relevant, and that's what matters.

You want to bet on Garcon being on this team next season? Cool. You can do that. It's a dumb bet, and no one is going to remember this anyway.

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[quote=Schneed10;1062587]The slot WR in Brady's offense is a terrible comparison and you know it.

Secondly, I don't mind people being wrong, but when you're a know-it-all blowhard AND you're wrong, then I hate it. You need to just shut the fuck up and here's why.

Last year Garcon's cap number was $8.2M in a season when the cap was $123M. In other words he occupied 6.7% of the team's cap space.

This year with the cap at $133M and his cap number at $9.7M, he will occupy 7.3% of the team's cap space.

Next year and the year after, when you're proposing the team cut him, [B]he will occupy less % of space than he will this year[/B]. Next year his cap number will be $9.7M or 6.9% of an estimated $140M cap. And in 2016 he will have a cap number of $10.2M, or 6.8% of an estimated $150M cap. And the cap may actually go up faster than that, making those %s even lower.

Again, currently 7.3% of the cap. Next year, 6.9% of the cap. 2016, 6.8% of the cap. And that's if they decide not to restructure any of that base salary and extend him.

Just shut the fuck up. He's an integral part of the team, one of the best players we have, Griffin's favorite target by far. He's not going anywhere. Now please just go away.[/quote]

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[quote=Fiversons;1062588]I am a Johnny come lately to the Garcon conversation, but he is worth every single penny we are paying him... His play last year proved that Mike got this signing right...[/quote]I'll take things you don't want quoted for $500, Alex.

In all seriousness, happy you're here. New members are the lifeblood of the internet forum industry!

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So back to Andre Roberts...