Re: New Stadium for the Redskins being planned . . .
 

[quote=Ruhskins;1079972]
Last time I checked, No. VA is pretty liberal too.[/quote]

right but leaders in DC and MD are publicly calling for the name to change.

meanwhile the democrat governor of VA (considered by many to be very liberal) said, publicly, that it wasn't his place to take a stance on the issue, his job has other responsibilities.

of the 3 localities VA has far and away supported the team more than the others.

there are political leaders in DC that have implied the redskins would HAVE to change their name to move back into DC or to rebuild at the RFK site.

Re: New Stadium for the Redskins being planned . . .
 

[quote=NC_Skins;1079973]I'm sorry. Exactly where in that link does it show NJ makes money from the stadium? Have you got a breakdown between the costs of maintenance vs the income they receive?

If you are pointing to the concerts as the revenue, I have to remind you that it's the artists/performer who nets most of that money, not the venue.

I'm almost 100% sure that NJ lost money during the Super Bowl.


[url=http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-09-05/in-stadium-building-spree-u-s-taxpayers-lose-4-billion.html]In Stadium Building Spree, U.S. Taxpayers Lose $4 Billion - Bloomberg[/url]

As per norm, Giantone doesn't know what he's talking about. Most cities lose out with new stadiums. The studies have been done.


I can post many articles and reports saying the same thing. It's all contradictory to what the NFL promises.

[url]http://web.williams.edu/Economics/wp/mathesonSuperbowl.pdf[/url][/quote]


AS I pointed out NY/NY didn't I did not say all and as always you are getting things mixed up again ,we were talking about financing the stadiums not infrastructure and up in NY/NJ it was the NY/NJ Metropolitan stadium authority that was responsible for the infrastructure .AS for making money the statement was made that the only people making money on New Stadiums were the" owners,builders and players" and I said that wasn't and still isn't true now I'll admit it might not be in the billions but NY/NJ MSA is making some money off the concerts and other events ,who do you think gets the parking money ?I guess you think that the restaurants bars and hotels made no money during the Superbowl that they additional traffic doesn't pay tolls on the turnpike ???

Re: New Stadium for the Redskins being planned . . .
 

[quote=NC_Skins;1079973]I'm sorry.


[url=http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-09-05/in-stadium-building-spree-u-s-taxpayers-lose-4-billion.html]In Stadium Building Spree, U.S. Taxpayers Lose $4 Billion - Bloomberg[/url]

As per norm, Giantone doesn't know what he's talking about. Most cities lose out with new stadiums. The studies have been done.

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At what point did I say "all stadiums built" , your link is talking about over all including baseball and soccer . Not Met Life in NJ, show me that article where the taxpayers paid for that stadium and then you would be right ...but you are not, as always .

Re: New Stadium for the Redskins being planned . . .
 

[quote=tshile;1079975]right but leaders in DC and MD are publicly calling for the name to change.

meanwhile the democrat governor of VA (considered by many to be very liberal) said, publicly, that it wasn't his place to take a stance on the issue, his job has other responsibilities.

of the 3 localities VA has far and away supported the team more than the others.

there are political leaders in DC that have implied the redskins would HAVE to change their name to move back into DC or to rebuild at the RFK site.[/quote]

The governor may be liberal, but he was smart to sidestep the issue. On the other hand...

Re: New Stadium for the Redskins being planned . . .
 

[quote=CRedskinsRule;1079962]I would bet, not much cause I don't have much to lose :), that if it came down to elections, and one candidate was running on bringing the Redskins, name and all, to the RFK site, and one candidate was running on the name change issue, barring any other obvious fatal flaws in either candidate, that the one who promised to get the Skins back would win the vote by a wide margin.

In fact it might be a way to bring the name issue to resolution, because both sides would probably be out in force, and if the DC electorate went one way or the other, it would give the politicians, media, and others a definitive outcome to hang their hat on.[/quote]

If this was the early 90's or even 2000 you might be right. D.C. has been gentrified. It's full of yuppie transplants and gay folks. I would imagine paying for a stadium and bringing the Redskins to town isn't high on their priority list.

Re: New Stadium for the Redskins being planned . . .
 

[quote=Giantone;1079989]At what point did I say "all stadiums built" , your link is talking about over all including baseball and soccer . Not Met Life in NJ, show me that article where the taxpayers paid for that stadium and then you would be right ...but you are not, as always .[/quote]

Just like FedEx-physical stadium privately financed, surrounding infrastructure funded by taxpayers

Re: New Stadium for the Redskins being planned . . .
 

[quote=NC_Skins;1079973]I'm sorry. Exactly where in that link does it show NJ makes money from the stadium? Have you got a breakdown between the costs of maintenance vs the income they receive?

If you are pointing to the concerts as the revenue, I have to remind you that it's the artists/performer who nets most of that money, not the venue.

I'm almost 100% sure that NJ lost money during the Super Bowl.


[url=http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-09-05/in-stadium-building-spree-u-s-taxpayers-lose-4-billion.html]In Stadium Building Spree, U.S. Taxpayers Lose $4 Billion - Bloomberg[/url]

[B]As per norm, Giantone doesn't know what he's talking about.[/B] Most cities lose out with new stadiums. The studies have been done.


I can post many articles and reports saying the same thing. It's all contradictory to what the NFL promises.

[url]http://web.williams.edu/Economics/wp/mathesonSuperbowl.pdf[/url][/quote]

It's pretty hard to argue with his tight logic.

In our world if you have 500 dollars to spend and you spend it all on tailgating you aren't going to spend it at the local restaurant. In Giantone's world people don't have finite discretionary income and you don't have to make an either/or decisions.

In our world when the billionaire baseball owner threatens to leave town unless the public finance his new stadium the billionaire football owner is likely to ask for the same deal. In Giantone's world baseball and football have nothing to do with each other.

In our world the stadiums mostly generate seasonally low wage jobs and the tax payer never recoups the money they put in to building it. In Giantone's world everyone makes money and that's that.

Re: New Stadium for the Redskins being planned . . .
 

[quote=SmootSmack;1080013]Just like FedEx-physical stadium privately financed, surrounding infrastructure funded by taxpayers[/quote]



Exactly!!!

Re: New Stadium for the Redskins being planned . . .
 

[quote=SmootSmack;1080013]Just like FedEx-physical stadium privately financed, surrounding infrastructure funded by taxpayers[/quote]


Cook paid 180 million and the tax payer paid 70 million. What infrastructure did tax payers pay for exactly? The road to enter and exit the stadium? Or perhaps I missed all the hip go-to spots near the stadium.

Re: New Stadium for the Redskins being planned . . .
 

[quote=saden1;1080021]Cook paid 180 million and the tax payer paid 70 million. What infrastructure did tax payers pay for exactly? The road to enter and exit the stadium? Or perhaps I missed all the hip go-to spots near the stadium.[/quote]Pretty clear that you have never been to Fed Ex ,good night .

Re: New Stadium for the Redskins being planned . . .
 

[quote=saden1;1080014]It's pretty hard to argue with his tight logic.

In our world if you have 500 dollars to spend and you spend it all on tailgating you aren't going to spend it at the local restaurant. In Giantone's world people don't have finite discretionary income and you don't have to make an either/or decisions.

In our world when the billionaire baseball owner threatens to leave town unless the public finance his new stadium the billionaire football owner is likely to ask for the same deal. In Giantone's world baseball and football have nothing to do with each other. .[/quote]


Can you read at all ????

Re: New Stadium for the Redskins being planned . . .
 

[quote=saden1;1080021]Cook paid 180 million and the tax payer paid 70 million. What infrastructure did tax payers pay for exactly? The road to enter and exit the stadium? Or perhaps I missed all the hip go-to spots near the stadium.[/quote]

That's a good question. I would like to see exactly what roads and other infrastructure that was built.

[quote]Cooke agreed to build the stadium contingent on the terms that the city would assume responsibility for the infrastructure and parking. - See more at: [url=http://www.stadiumsofprofootball.com/nfc/FedExField.htm#sthash.ym3Z1457.dpuf]FedEx Field, Washington Redskins football stadium - Stadiums of Pro Football[/url][/quote]

According to this, they had to pay for the parking. Does the county get parking fees or do they go to Danny? If the fees go to Danny, I have a huge problem with this.


Also, it looks like parking prices have gone up.

[url=http://www.myfoxdc.com/story/26230865/redskins-parking-fees-at-fedexfield-skyrocket]Redskins parking fees at FedExField skyrocket - DC News FOX 5 DC WTTG[/url]

Re: New Stadium for the Redskins being planned . . .
 

[quote=Giantone;1080032]Pretty clear that you have never been to Fed Ex ,good night .[/quote]

Really? I am pretty sure one of the reasons I wouldn't help Snyder if he was on fire is because he sold me obstructed view tickets. He didn't even have the decency to put big screen TVs in front of those seats to compensate. I hope that mofo combust one of these days.

Re: New Stadium for the Redskins being planned . . .
 

[quote=NC_Skins;1080043]That's a good question. I would like to see exactly what roads and other infrastructure that was built.



According to this, they had to pay for the parking. Does the county get parking fees or do they go to Danny? If the fees go to Danny, I have a huge problem with this.


Also, it looks like parking prices have gone up.

[url=http://www.myfoxdc.com/story/26230865/redskins-parking-fees-at-fedexfield-skyrocket]Redskins parking fees at FedExField skyrocket - DC News FOX 5 DC WTTG[/url][/quote]

LOL...what a deal.

Well, besides fedex parking he has full monopoly on the church and businesses next door. I remember parking a mile away in an office complex and still having to pay 30 dollars.

Re: New Stadium for the Redskins being planned . . .
 

[quote=Giantone;1080033]Can you read at all ????[/quote]

I read you signature and I found your posts wanting.