Re: Vic Fangio and other to be interviewed for Defense.
 

[QUOTE=HailGreen28;1102835]Matty, Smoot, if I am being too rude, lemme know and I will apologize. I am mad because I feel Lotus and Hog1 are deliberately missing obvious points I am making, that they are smarter than this.[/QUOTE]


Maybe you weren't explaining your point well enough?

Either way lets just move on. I think we can all agree we need to draft better, be smarter in free agency, and coach better. Tall tasks for this team that's all I know.

Re: Vic Fangio and other to be interviewed for Defense.
 

I've never seen so much eloquent nonsense in a single thread before.

Re: Vic Fangio and other to be interviewed for Defense.
 

just because you draft someone in the 2nd round doesn't mean they're not garbage.

at corner this year, we had hall (IR), porter (IR) amerson (played like garbage), biggers (garbage), breeland (great, considering), and rotating practice squad players. how the hell do you make a good defense with 1 competent corner.

safety was basically the same. clark (slow/washed up garbage), merriweather (misses 50% of games, gets confused, sometimes plays decently), ihenacho (IR), and the people behind them that didn't show in any way that they could get it done.

so, no one's arguing that the D staff sucked. they're just saying it's not an either/or. the staff sucked AND the players they were given were horrible and WAY below the standard NFL talent level (regardless of where or how we got them, or how good they might have been in college or 3 years ago or whatever).

no one can design a good defense w/ 1 corner and 0.5 of a safety. our defensive staff was set up to fail when we signed two injuries (porter/ihenacho) and a band aid (clark). once hall went down, it was over. haslett's track record has proven he's a 20-27th place defensive coordinator. no one's arguing that. you (HG28) are just being a bit obtuse in not noticing or admitting that while it is true that the staff sucked, it's ALSO true that the talent was truly truly horrible this year.

and we knew that going into last offseason, and the team knew that too, yet they failed to do anything meaningful about it beside hope and pray. F-.

Re: Vic Fangio and other to be interviewed for Defense.
 

[quote=That Guy;1102880]you (HG28) are just being a bit obtuse in not noticing or admitting that while it is true that the staff sucked, it's ALSO true that the talent was truly truly horrible this year.[/quote]I don't think the talent is as horrible as you think. I don't know if Rambo will remain a starter at Buffalo, but he looked better with them than he did with us.

Haslett has been a let down on D wherever he's been in the NFL. Pitt, NO, doesn't matter. Talent doesn't matter in his case.

Morris.. sure didn't make the secondary more than a weakness this season. At least our front 7 could stop the run once in awhile, and Kerrigan's got his sacks.

Re: Vic Fangio and other to be interviewed for Defense.
 

[quote=SmootSmack;1102685]I don't think any of those 3 gets hired, but Barry is the most interesting one to me[/quote]

Just curious, but why? His stint with the Lions looks pretty lousy, they ranked dead last in yards AND points. What makes you think he'll do any better here?

Just to be clear, I'm asking sincerely, I know nothing of him other than that 1 stat.

Re: Vic Fangio and other to be interviewed for Defense.
 

Just agree to disagree, I happen to think you are the only one who thinks the secondary was talented HailGreen28, but talent is a subjective thing to a degree, and you seem to be defining it differently from others, let's just move on and talk about our prospects for DC. That's my 2 cents.

Re: Vic Fangio and other to be interviewed for Defense.
 

[quote=HailGreen28;1102884]I don't think the talent is as horrible as you think. I don't know if Rambo will remain a starter at Buffalo, but he looked better with them than he did with us.

Haslett has been a let down on D wherever he's been in the NFL. Pitt, NO, doesn't matter. Talent doesn't matter in his case.

Morris.. sure didn't make the secondary more than a weakness this season. At least our front 7 could stop the run once in awhile, and Kerrigan's got his sacks.[/quote]

Outside of decent flashes from Breeland, I'm not sure what you're seeing...

You mentioned Ryan Clark from the Gibbs 2.0 era, but that was 9-10 years ago. I may not be ready to send Amerson packing just yet, but he regressed from his rookie season which wasn't spectacular either. Every other position in the defensive backfield is pretty much crap.

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I miss Barry Wilburn.

Re: Vic Fangio and other to be interviewed for Defense.
 

[quote=Beemnseven;1102894]Outside of decent flashes from Breeland, I'm not sure what you're seeing...

You mentioned Ryan Clark from the Gibbs 2.0 era, but that was 9-10 years ago. I may not be ready to send Amerson packing just yet, but he regressed from his rookie season which wasn't spectacular either. Every other position in the defensive backfield is pretty much crap.[/quote]I am seeing guys get out of position, more than any athletic failing on their part. They are making mental mistakes, a lot more than getting beat physically. Either they are stupid, or the coaches Morris and Haslett aren't doing their jobs.

Re: Vic Fangio and other to be interviewed for Defense.
 

[quote=HailGreen28;1102884]I don't think the talent is as horrible as you think. I don't know if Rambo will remain a starter at Buffalo, but he looked better with them than he did with us.

Haslett has been a let down on D wherever he's been in the NFL. Pitt, NO, doesn't matter. Talent doesn't matter in his case.

Morris.. sure didn't make the secondary more than a weakness this season. At least our front 7 could stop the run once in awhile, and Kerrigan's got his sacks.[/quote]

I agree that we have more talent than showed on the field, but there are, imo, gaping holes at Safety especially, that forced the defense to try to limit damage a lot of times, rather than play a winning hand. That said, Haslett had 5 years to let his unit's needs be known, and he didn't produce. I am glad we have moved on from him - a year too late - and hope that they go with either a strong young riser(always a risk), or a Wade Phillips type who has produced top tier defenses with the kind of players we have (minus safety).

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what ever happened to our old DBs coach gray? is he still with Pitt or wherever he went?

i remember a lot of people inside and out of the skins liked him for bigger things . ..

Re: Vic Fangio and other to be interviewed for Defense.
 

If it works out, I think the hiring of Smith as [I]de facto[/I] GM makes W. Phillips a strong candidate for DC.

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Re: Vic Fangio and other to be interviewed for Defense.
 

The Redskins have no shot of landing Fangio unless the 49ers new coach fires him and brings in his own assistant coaches.

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I just don't see the fascination with Wade Phillips. I want a young aggresive DC like Bowles, which is what Ken Norton Jr. Brings. Phillips just doesn't show any emotion like Haslett. We need someone to get in the face of a player when they fuck up.

Re: Vic Fangio and other to be interviewed for Defense.
 

[quote=That Guy;1102880]just because you draft someone in the 2nd round doesn't mean they're not garbage.

at corner this year, we had hall (IR), porter (IR) amerson (played like garbage), biggers (garbage), breeland (great, considering), and rotating practice squad players. how the hell do you make a good defense with 1 competent corner.

safety was basically the same. clark (slow/washed up garbage), merriweather (misses 50% of games, gets confused, sometimes plays decently), ihenacho (IR), and the people behind them that didn't show in any way that they could get it done.

so, no one's arguing that the D staff sucked. they're just saying it's not an either/or. the staff sucked AND the players they were given were horrible and WAY below the standard NFL talent level (regardless of where or how we got them, or how good they might have been in college or 3 years ago or whatever).

no one can design a good defense w/ 1 corner and 0.5 of a safety. our defensive staff was set up to fail when we signed two injuries (porter/ihenacho) and a band aid (clark). once hall went down, it was over. haslett's track record has proven he's a 20-27th place defensive coordinator. no one's arguing that. you (HG28) are just being a bit obtuse in not noticing or admitting that while it is true that the staff sucked, it's ALSO true that the talent was truly truly horrible this year.

and we knew that going into last offseason, and the team knew that too, yet they failed to do anything meaningful about it beside hope and pray. F-.[/quote]

I agree with most of this as it relates to our talent or lack of it at safety. Other than the short time Sean Taylor and LaRon Landry played together we have not had a good pair of safety's (needed to be a good defense) since we had Brad Edwards, Danny Copeland and Todd Bowles all the way back in 1992. That is a long time ago, which partly explains why we have not had a dominate defense since.
As is repeated over and over again during playoffs, you win (in the playoffs) by 1) good defense 2) running the ball. If you can not do this your chances to advance are lessened.
Our biggest weakness in our defense last season going into 2014 was at safety. But yet we spent most of our available cap money on Orakpo, Hatcher and DJax. Then we drafted a LB at the top of our draft. The huge hole at safety and to a lesser extent O-line has to be a priority to fix. We currently have terrible Safety's.