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[quote=mooby;1239289]I feel like it's going to happen without a deal in place. We'll make a deal with them for sure but [B]they're still going to suffer hard losses from losing business with the rest of the EU[/B].[/quote]

You sure about that? You think its honky dory with the EU right now?...we gonna forget about Italy, France, Greece, and others economies struggles/MISMANAGEMENT since the recovery? I certainly don't think Corbyn really cared one way or the other about Brexit...he cared more about a socialist agenda which centered around a redistribution of wealth which would cost hundreds of billions of dollars...this was clearly rejected by the people of the UK.

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[quote=mooby;1239289]I feel like it's going to happen without a deal in place. We'll make a deal with them for sure but they're still going to suffer hard losses from losing business with the rest of the EU.[/quote]

Sorry I meant they can finally make a deal with E.U. If I am Trump I wouldn't even bother making a trade deal with UK. Go straight to the E.U. more consumers, higher purchasing power, and not worry about a country that has very little to offer in terms of purchase power and is about to have their cost of goods sky rocket.

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[quote=Chico23231;1239297]You sure about that? You think its honky dory with the EU right now?...we gonna forget about Italy, France, Greece, and others economies struggles/MISMANAGEMENT since the recovery? I certainly don't think Corbyn really cared one way or the other about Brexit...he cared more about a socialist agenda which centered around a redistribution of wealth which would cost hundreds of billions of dollars...this was clearly rejected by the people of the UK.[/quote]

I think it's the exact opposite with the EU right now, the UK made their bed and now they need to sleep in it. The EU is probably ready for this to be over.

I don't know enough about UK politics to have an opinion on Corbyn, but obviously the people didn't want him. I'm rooting for Boris Johnson, he seems like a dunce but for the people's sake I hope he comes up with a successful Brexit.

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[url]https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/16/politics/elizabeth-warren-choice-medicare-for-all-transition-iowa/index.html[/url]

In a rhetorical shift, Elizabeth Warren emphasizes 'choice' on health care

Of course this coward is backtracking on her biggest campaign platform. It doesn’t work and never will folks.

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I wonder why Pete Buttegig keeps going out of his way to improve his standing in the black community. He is wasting his time and money. I figure there isn't a liberal on the planet that will admit why.

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[QUOTE=Buffalo Bob;1239851]I wonder why Pete Buttegig keeps going out of his way to improve his standing in the black community. He is wasting his time and money. I figure there isn't a liberal on the planet that will admit why.[/QUOTE]



Probably for the same reason Trump is


[url]https://www.newyorker.com/news/dispatch/donald-trump-makes-an-awkward-pitch-to-black-voters-in-atlanta[/url]


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[quote=MTK;1239857]Probably for the same reason Trump is


[url]https://www.newyorker.com/news/dispatch/donald-trump-makes-an-awkward-pitch-to-black-voters-in-atlanta[/url]


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'Bout sums it up for me:

[IMG]https://www.snopes.com/tachyon/2019/11/blacksfortrump.jpg?resize=600,800[/IMG]

[url]https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/shirts-blacks-for-trump/[/url]

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[quote=mooby;1239863]'Bout sums it up for me:

[IMG]https://www.snopes.com/tachyon/2019/11/blacksfortrump.jpg?resize=600,800[/IMG]

[url]https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/shirts-blacks-for-trump/[/url][/quote]

Joe Biden will try anything to bring down Trump.

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LOL, blacks for trump...............


[IMG]https://i.imgflip.com/1ekbes.jpg[/IMG]

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Elizabeth Warren hates people that suffer from asbestos.

I now assume that Bill Jacobson from Cornell Law is some sort of Trump agent. The rules are: lying is not only acceptable its encouraged as long as you are a lefty.

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As a Giants fan you have a sick obsession with our site. Go shit your pants on a Giants thread.

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You can't make this shit (pun intended) up.

[url]https://www.dailywire.com/news/cleanup-in-aisle-3-horrifying-scene-shows-what-is-going-on-in-pelosis-district[/url]

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1239890]You can't make this shit (pun intended) up.

[url]https://www.dailywire.com/news/cleanup-in-aisle-3-horrifying-scene-shows-what-is-going-on-in-pelosis-district[/url][/quote]


trump likes this shit..........

[url]https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/14/opinions/disgusting-video-doral-trump-louis/index.html[/url]

[url]https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2019/aug/28/in-the-name-of-trump-supporters-attacks-database[/url]

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1239889]As a Giants fan you have a sick obsession with our site. Go shit your pants on a Giants thread.[/quote]

It is just an obsession with Trump. I have a friend of almost 35 years I no longer talk to because Trump got inside his head and that is all the guy could talk about. He retired recently in his early 50's and actually scours the internet 24-7 for for anti Trump rhetoric and he seemed to feel the need to share it all with me. I could care less, other than the tariffs on raw aluminum and steel backfiring he has no effect on my life so I choose to ignore him.

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[quote=Chico23231;1239849][url]https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/16/politics/elizabeth-warren-choice-medicare-for-all-transition-iowa/index.html[/url]

In a rhetorical shift, Elizabeth Warren emphasizes 'choice' on health care

Of course this coward is backtracking on her biggest campaign platform. It doesn’t work and never will folks.[/quote]

This thread has plenty of shots being taken, some humorous, some trifling, but in an effort to actually have meaningful discussion in here, I'll try to touch on why Chico's right that this won't work (even though he probably has no idea why it won't work). Sorry Chico, had to take a trifling shot in the spirit of the thread.

With Obamacare, the exchanges gave people an option they could choose to gain coverage, sometimes with subsidies, for cheaper rates than they could otherwise find on the market. The penalty for not having some form of coverage was a tax penalty. It was a good idea in theory but the costs of the plans offered on the exchanges skyrocketed after a few years, and many insurers pulled out of the exchanges altogether because they grew unprofitable. Why?

Think through the types of people who might be interested in signing up for the plans on the exchanges. To keep it simple for illustrative purposes, I'll bucket everyone into two groups:

- The healthy that didn't have insurance before
- The unhealthy that didn't have insurance before

The healthy folks looked at the cost of the plans on the exchanges, and they weighed it against the cost of paying the tax penalty for not having the insurance. They said hey, I never use the doctor or the hospital, I don't get sick, I'm good. While maybe not the most forward-thinking view, they determined it was cheaper and better for them to just pay the tax penalty.

Meanwhile, the unhealthy folks who used the doctor and the hospital and the pharmacy, they've been struggling to pay for their healthcare and they viewed the exchanges as a godsend. They rejoiced, FINALLY MORE AFFORDABLE INSURANCE, and they jumped at the chance to sign up for the exchanges. For them, the cost of paying the premiums for the exchange plan was pennies in comparison to paying the tax penalty plus the cost of paying for doctors and medicines out of pocket. So they signed up right away.

So now think about those two groups of people from the insurance plan's perspective. The plan goes: hey we just got a whole bunch of people signing up who need healthcare services. They're going to the doctor, they're getting prescriptions, they're at the hospital, and now we have to pay for those claims. Meanwhile, we didn't have as many of the healthy folks signing up as we thought we might. So we don't have them paying premiums into the plan. Insurers love healthy people who pay premiums into the plan - they collect the premium and they never have to pay for healthcare claims.

You can see. That's a mix destined for failure. It's a heavy mix of high-cost patients rushing into the plan, and not enough premium revenue coming in from healthier people. The plan can't sustain itself, insurers say hey we either need to double the premiums or we need to exit this market.

Failure.

The failure occurred because the healthy people weren't incentivized enough to sign up for the plan. Either the tax penalty needed to be more severe, severe enough to make them say hey signing up for the plan is actually cheaper. Or the law needed to just say you have to get insurance or criminal charges of some kind.

The idea was fine but the execution wasn't there.

Similar situation here with Warren. If she gives people the choice of whether to sign up for Medicare For All, she better make sure there are some nasty incentives to make people do it. Otherwise the sick will sign up, and the healthy won't, and this time instead of insurers failing and bailing on the exchanges, Medicare will fail and destroy our safety net.

Her plan carries immense risk, far more risk than Obamacare did. She'd be better off revisiting Obamacare and tweaking the law. But that horse is likely out of the barn, politically.

I'm a financial executive who works for a healthcare provider. My views expressed here are my own and should not in any way be viewed as representative of the views of my employer, who shall remain nameless in these forums.