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[QUOTE=Ruhskins;1228384]Case's giveaways numbers were terrible last year in Denver: 15 INTs and 8 Fumbles. However, his numbers in 2017 with the Vikes were 7 INTs and 1 fumble.



I keep bringing the 2017 Vikings because there is a slight chance the Redskins could somehow create a similar environment, where Case can game manage the team to a winning record:



- Wide Receivers: Diggs and Theilen broke out in 2017, the season prior to that, they were average young wideouts that no one knew about. This is a long shot, but maybe we have one or two of the young wideouts breakout in the same manner.



- Running Game: Guice, AP, and CT are a much much much better running game than Lativius Murray, McKinnon, and the 4 games that Dalvin Cook played in 2017.



- Offensive Line: Minnesota has had issues with their offensive line for several seasons, a lot of Vikings fans were complaining last season how they spent so much money on the QB position without spending money on the o-line (sounds familiar?).



- Defense: As you pointed out, the Vikes 2017 defense was elite; I don't think our defense is elite right now, but they do have top 10 or even top 5 potential.[/QUOTE]The proof will be in the games but the people posting like chicken littles are ignoring the fact that this team does have several strong areas, and if TW does come back then our line gets instantly better. TW Flowers our C Scherff Moses when healthy is a strong line.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1228384]Case's giveaways numbers were terrible last year in Denver: 15 INTs and 8 Fumbles. However, his numbers in 2017 with the Vikes were 7 INTs and 1 fumble.

I keep bringing the 2017 Vikings because there is a slight chance the Redskins could somehow create a similar environment, where Case can game manage the team to a winning record:

- Wide Receivers: Diggs and Theilen broke out in 2017, the season prior to that, they were average young wideouts that no one knew about. This is a long shot, but maybe we have one or two of the young wideouts breakout in the same manner.

- Running Game: Guice, AP, and CT are a much much much better running game than Lativius Murray, McKinnon, and the 4 games that Dalvin Cook played in 2017.

- Offensive Line: Minnesota has had issues with their offensive line for several seasons, a lot of Vikings fans were complaining last season how they spent so much money on the QB position without spending money on the o-line (sounds familiar?).

- Defense: As you pointed out, the Vikes 2017 defense was elite; I don't think our defense is elite right now, but they do have top 10 or even top 5 potential.[/quote]

The part about them being average is kinda pushing it a bit. Stefon Diggs career low in yards is 720 yards his rookie season, Paul Richardson who is our most accomplished WR right now, has a career high of 703 yards and is always hurt. Now I am on the side that Guice is going to be a monster, watched every game from him at LSU and was estatic when we drafted him. Thelien was more of an unkown but even before the breakout season he had 967 yards in 2016. Now do I think McLaurin, Harmon, Quinn, could breakout? Sure. Do I think our defense will be top 10 if everyone stays healthy? Yes. I actually think we can be top 3 in rush defense even in the NFC East. Do I think Keenum will be 2017 Keenum? Absolutely not, that was an outlier season and a complete 180 from everything he has been since entering the league. I think by game 5 Haskins will be in there and we will see the future unfold there.

Now it would be nice if we could strike it rich with one of our WRs though.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1228391]The proof will be in the games but the people posting like chicken littles are ignoring the fact that this team does have several strong areas, and if TW does come back then our line gets instantly better. TW Flowers our C Scherff Moses when healthy is a strong line.

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I agree we definitely have strong points on the team
Rush defense
Running game on offense
If Trent comes back 3 of the 5 OL spots are locked and Rouiller while not Travis Frederick or Alex Mack is no slouch. My main issue with the offense is we need someone to breakout on the offensive side of the ball WR wise.
McLaurin, Harmon, Quinn, Sims Jr., Davis, one of these guys has to breakout otherwise people will just stack 8 or 9 in the box like they have over the last two seasons because no one fears them

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1228392]The part about them being average is kinda pushing it a bit. Stefon Diggs career low in yards is 720 yards his rookie season, Paul Richardson who is our most accomplished WR right now, has a career high of 703 yards and is always hurt. Now I am on the side that Guice is going to be a monster, watched every game from him at LSU and was estatic when we drafted him. Thelien was more of an unkown but even before the breakout season he had 967 yards in 2016. Now do I think McLaurin, Harmon, Quinn, could breakout? Sure. Do I think our defense will be top 10 if everyone stays healthy? Yes. I actually think we can be top 3 in rush defense even in the NFC East. Do I think Keenum will be 2017 Keenum? Absolutely not, that was an outlier season and a complete 180 from everything he has been since entering the league. I think by game 5 Haskins will be in there and we will see the future unfold there.

Now it would be nice if we could strike it rich with one of our WRs though.[/quote]

Agreed on the Thielen/Diggs comment, but the reason I mentioned them is that everyone acts like they were both the elite receivers going into 2017. I think in 2016, Kyle Rudolph was their go-to guy.

And you're right, 2017 Case was an outlier, but IMO all we need for him is to not screw up too much due to our running game and strong defense. As some have mentioned, it'll be up to the coaching staff to have a gameplan that can compensate for certain weaknesses in the team.

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[QUOTE=EARTHQUAKE2689;1228393]I agree we definitely have strong points on the team
Rush defense
Running game on offense
If Trent comes back 3 of the 5 OL spots are locked and Rouiller while not Travis Frederick or Alex Mack is no slouch. My main issue with the offense is we need someone to breakout on the offensive side of the ball WR wise.
McLaurin, Harmon, Quinn, Sims Jr., Davis, one of these guys has to breakout otherwise people will just stack 8 or 9 in the box like they have over the last two seasons because no one fears them[/QUOTE]I agree on WRs but I like the group.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1228288]6 years 90 M for a RB?? WOW[/quote]

Now that the deal is done, I am just waiting for the BREAKING NEWS on Twitter that "Zeke tears ACL in first practice back with team".

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Zeke is basically the team, he is 24 has lead the league in rushing 2 years and probably would have been 3 if not for the suspension. He is the offense for the Cowboys regardless what Skip Bayless wants to say. I'd rather "overpay" for Zeke than overpay for an overrated QB any day. We all know chances are he wont get to that 6th year anyway. 50 million guaranteed especially off what Gurley got. It is what it is, I wish he would have waited until week 3 to get the deal done.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1228395]Agreed on the Thielen/Diggs comment, but the reason I mentioned them is that everyone acts like they were both the elite receivers going into 2017. I think in 2016, Kyle Rudolph was their go-to guy.

And you're right, 2017 Case was an outlier, but IMO all we need for him is to not screw up too much due to our running game and strong defense. As some have mentioned, it'll be up to the coaching staff to have a gameplan that can compensate for certain weaknesses in the team.[/quote]

I don't think they were elite then but they were better than what we have right now. It started with Kyle being their main guy but by the second half of the season the WRs had taken over. I have hope in the team with the exception of Case, he could prove me wrong but I am just waiting on Haskins to take over at this point

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[quote=sandtrapjack;1228280]Fair 'nuff.

Zekes deal will be done. Probably in the next 24 hours which puts him on the field week 1.

Look in the range of 6 years, 90 million. Dollars already agreed upon. Working to finalize structure.[/quote]

I give him a few weeks then the money goes to his little immature head and things go down hill. It might not happen this year because he has no time to let the money go to his head but it happens sooner then latter.

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I'm all ways very optimistic person so I said 10 wins. Why even watch if you think we will only win 6.

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[QUOTE=Back2RFK;1228407]I'm all ways very optimistic person so I said 10 wins. Why even watch if you think we will only win 6.[/QUOTE]



Same reason you look at a car accident when you drive by....

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[quote=Back2RFK;1228407]I'm all ways very optimistic person so I said 10 wins. Why even watch if you think we will only win 6.[/quote]

You must be disappointed a lot. For the Redskins be a 10 win team they will have to get big immediate contributions from new players. Whether they came from trades, the draft, or last year's class of injured rookies. It will take time for them to gel together as a team. Rookies usually struggle out of the gate, and the second year players like Guice are basically rookies cause they missed last season.

Combine the above with the early schedule this team starts 1-4. Then with the QB position Keenum isn't on his 6th team and traded for a 6th rounder because he is a solid NFL starter, he is a back up. Haskins is far from ready, a raw talent that needs work in the footwork department and learning to protect himself among other things.

I predicted 6-10. I will watch because I want to see this rookie class improve game to game giving hope for the future.

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People hammering Penn/Flowers need to wait and see how the line holds up.
I am not saying he will be TW, he won't but he also isn't a slouch when healthy.
I imagine in preseason he was knocking some of the rust off so yes we will have to actually see it to believe it, but his past 2 years hold hope that he will hold his own early on.
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[IMG]https://media.pff.com/2017/08/Penn.png[/IMG]

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Not as worried about Penn as I am flowers

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Umm I’m def worried. Trent needs to get back on the field