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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection]As fans we WOULD have a lot to look forward to if you don't look at the big picture. I know the Redskins fall into the category of the "haves" but will we all be so happy if/when Dan steps aside and the Skins become the "have-nots".

Hopefully by that time we would have had 10 Super Bowl trophies in a row. :)[/QUOTE]

Do you see Snyder selling the Skins? I could never see that in a million years, the franchise is a friggin cash cow. Especially if revenue sharing stays limited. He'll never sell the team as long as the market support is as good as it is.

Snyder's going to own them up until the day he dies just like Cooke did.

Secondly, who the owner is won't make a bit of difference. The market and the private stadium are the two biggest reasons why the franchise is raking in the money. That wouldn't change if a new owner came to town.

I'd MUCH prefer the cap stay in place, because as Ramseyfan says, people respect you more if you win without buying every stud in the game. And it makes the league much more exciting. I'm just doing my best to come to terms with the fact that the salary cap very well may be finished after this season. While that's a really bad thing for the NFL, I'm doing my best to look on the bright side, and at bare minimum we should still have a strong rivalry with the Cowboys, Giants, and Eagles; even if the smaller market teams will be at a disadvantage.

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Pre-salary cap, the NFL was great (not to say it is not good now). The NFC east was a dogfight every year (except for the stinking cardinals). the East was the dominant for many years...................it was GREAT.
It may have already been posted, but, as far as I know, my man Dan ponied up his own jack for land and stadium. That makes him signifigantly more invested than most other owners, as stadiums are mostly funded by cities. I don't know the details of the owners proposal, but all things cannot possibly be equal. It is beyond me how you can apply an equal equation for sharing?

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection]It's expensive enough to make it to a football game and some of those salaries are no where near the level of professional baseball. I couldn't imagine the contracts. It might seem cool in the long-term and for the people who watch it on TV, but I try my hardest to make it to at least 3-4 Skins games a year and I don't want to spend 200 bucks a ticket to make it.[/QUOTE]

This is a valid point, and I'm sure a lot of people are turned away from football games due to the already pricey tickets. But in reality, tickets cost much less right now than they should. The Skins have a waiting list of thousands of people wanting to get tickets. If Snyder charged the true market value, and eliminated the waiting list, tickets could probably be 3 times more expensive, and FedEx would still sell out every night. You could realistically say that right now we are spoiled by being able to get tickets far below their true value. If the cap goes away, ticket prices would definitely increase, but we shouldn't be unhappy that tickets would become more expensive, we should be happy that tickets remained (relatively) inexpensive for so long.

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That is a great analysis but what about the rule of 51 that says the salaries of your highest 51 players must be in compliance by march 3rd. also your predictions for players willingness to prolong bonuses is a bit optimitstic. i think raymer is gone and so are hall and tupa. we should go young with frost and novak and after watching combine footage today we should be able to get a quality backup center late in the draft. where do your #'s come from cause one site i saw said if we trade ramsey we only save 1.4 mill.

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[QUOTE=Sean Taylor is God]That is a great analysis but what about the rule of 51 that says the salaries of your highest 51 players must be in compliance by march 3rd. also your predictions for players willingness to prolong bonuses is a bit optimitstic. i think raymer is gone and so are hall and tupa. we should go young with frost and novak and after watching combine footage today we should be able to get a quality backup center late in the draft. where do your #'s come from cause one site i saw said if we trade ramsey we only save 1.4 mill.[/QUOTE]

Unfortunately, $1.4 million is a lot. We have only two of three players (Harris, Bowen, and Noble) who would save us more by axing.

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[QUOTE=Sean Taylor is God]That is a great analysis but what about the rule of 51 that says the salaries of your highest 51 players must be in compliance by march 3rd. also your predictions for players willingness to prolong bonuses is a bit optimitstic. i think raymer is gone and so are hall and tupa. we should go young with frost and novak and after watching combine footage today we should be able to get a quality backup center late in the draft. where do your #'s come from cause one site i saw said if we trade ramsey we only save 1.4 mill.[/QUOTE]
[url="http://www.thewarpath.net/WarpathRedskinsCap.htm"]
Salary cap numbers[/url]

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that is a cool resource. hopefully the cba will get done early this week. what is reasonable compenasation for ramsey? he was a first round pick and has good experience and has a good contract. that's a lot of positives but the market seems to be cold. does he stay? he often looks confused and retarded in the pocket

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Hey Fellas (and at least 1 lady I recall on the site), I've been reading the threads here over a year & a half, had to finally succumb to posting. Good stuff mainly, maybe I feel like I've been sponging. (Actually, I'd like to make small donations to the site from time to time, does MattyK handle such?)

As for this thread, there's a world to discuss, but has anyone thought of this:
Labor problems = Skins super bowl win!

Of course, this cba situation is vastly different from the 82 & 87 seasons, but the timing parallels are notalble nonetheless, Gibbs won in 82-83, his 2nd yr. & the 1st nfl strike. While this is Gibbs' 3rd year back, I'm hoping for history to repeat.
Also won in 87-88 with what may have been the most overacheiving super bowl team in history (I can't recall any other super bowl winner that had a qb controversy thru the year).
My point? did those teams win out of coincidence? I dont' think so, management & cohesion were hallmarks of Gibbs' teams, and in a strike induced season, teams that returned to the field w/a clear sense of order from the top fared well. While the lack of a cba deal poses great challenges to us now, before it's over don't be surprised if we manage to better a lot of teams that seem to be sitting pretty now. If nothing else, can you imagine this situation if Gibbs hadn't come on board?!!!

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Freddyg12, not to kiss your butt too much, but your posts are thoughtful and well-supported. I for one am glad that you decided to start posting.

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no cba and we have to drop a ton of starters... it'd be hard to see the skins winning it all when other teams are under cap, have good teams, AND can buy up our cuts (like the eagles).

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[QUOTE=freddyg12]Hey Fellas (and at least 1 lady I recall on the site), I've been reading the threads here over a year & a half, had to finally succumb to posting. Good stuff mainly, maybe I feel like I've been sponging. (Actually, I'd like to make small donations to the site from time to time, does MattyK handle such?)

As for this thread, there's a world to discuss, but has anyone thought of this:
Labor problems = Skins super bowl win!

Of course, this cba situation is vastly different from the 82 & 87 seasons, but the timing parallels are notalble nonetheless, Gibbs won in 82-83, his 2nd yr. & the 1st nfl strike. While this is Gibbs' 3rd year back, I'm hoping for history to repeat.
Also won in 87-88 with what may have been the most overacheiving super bowl team in history (I can't recall any other super bowl winner that had a qb controversy thru the year).
My point? did those teams win out of coincidence? I dont' think so, management & cohesion were hallmarks of Gibbs' teams, and in a strike induced season, teams that returned to the field w/a clear sense of order from the top fared well. While the lack of a cba deal poses great challenges to us now, before it's over don't be surprised if we manage to better a lot of teams that seem to be sitting pretty now. If nothing else, can you imagine this situation if Gibbs hadn't come on board?!!![/QUOTE]

Glad you started posting, hope you do it often.

I think Gibbs has an advantage in a strike season because he's such a team builder. During a strike, most players are thinking about their wallets and the labor issues, but Gibbs' players seem to think more about playing together, working hard, and staying together as a team. It's these kinds of situations when "character guys" really pay off.

We still have an uphill battle this year, and we can only go as far as our QB takes us (whether it's Brunell or Campbell). And the labor situation might be resolved in the next few weeks. But you definitely can't count Joe Gibbs out in any season.

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"It may have already been posted, but, as far as I know, my man Dan ponied up his own jack for land and stadium. That makes him signifigantly more invested than most other owners, as stadiums are mostly funded by cities. I don't know the details of the owners proposal, but all things cannot possibly be equal. It is beyond me how you can apply an equal equation for sharing?"

Im sure that Dan's attornies will see that his handicap is rather large. If you catch my drift. You get to be creative when your franchise is worth over a billion. Say for example, joining the Cowboys with a guaranteed Thanksgiving Game every year. Or local television rights would be a big one.

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[size=3][b][color=black]$ Committed to Players in 2006: $116.8 million[/color][/b][/size]
[b][size=3][color=black]Less Rule of 51: ($4.8 million)[/color][/size][/b]
[b][size=3][color=black]Plus Dead Cap: $3.57 million[/color][/size][/b]
[b][size=3]Increase in Min Base Sal due to CBA: ~ $2 million[/size][/b]
[b][size=3][color=black]Salary Cap Total Before Recent Moves: $117.3 million[/color][/size][/b]
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[size=3][color=black][b]NFL Salary Cap Limit: $102 million[/b][/color][/size]
[b][size=3][color=black][/color][/size][/b]
[color=black][size=3]Actual Cuts - Cap Savings:[/size]
Brandon Noble - $1.7 million
Walt Harris - $2 million
Matt Bowen - $2 million
Corey Raymer - $1 million[/color]
[color=black]Tom Tupa - $600 K[/color]
[color=black]Lavar Arrington - $4.4 million
[size=3]Total Cap Savings from Cuts: $11.7 million[/size]

[b]Salary Cap $ Scheduled in 2006 after Cuts: $105.6 million[/b]

[size=3]Roster Bonuses Restructured - Cap Savings[/size]
Sean Taylor: $1.8 million
Clinton Portis: $2.5 million
Casey Rabach: $1.5 million
Shawn Springs: $2.5 million
Cornelius Griffin: $2.0 million
Marcus Washington: $1.9 million
Chris Samuels: $3.7 million
[size=3]Total Cap Savings from Roster Bonus Restructures: $15.9 million[/size]

[b]Salary Cap $ Scheduled in 2006 after Cuts, Trades, Post June 1 Cuts, and Roster Bonus Restructures: $87.7 million[/b]

[b]2006 Cap: $102 million[/b]

[b][size=3]Expected Cap Room before Trading Ramsey: $15.3 million[/size][/b][/color]
[b][size=3][color=black][/color][/size][/b]
[size=3][color=black]When we trade Ramsey: $1.7 million[/color][/size]
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[size=3][color=black][b]Total Cap Room Available for 2006: $17 million[/b][/color][/size]
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The tendering of our RFAs and the resigning of Rock Cartwright are not included in these numbers.
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[b][color=red]This analysis does not include any restructures of base salary which may have occurred. These would create even more cap room. If you know of any, please post them and I will update.[/color][/b]

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[QUOTE=Schneed10][size=3][b][color=black]$ Committed to Players in 2006: $116.8 million[/color][/b][/size]
[b][size=3][color=black]Less Rule of 51: ($4.8 million)[/color][/size][/b]
[b][size=3][color=black]Plus Dead Cap: $3.57 million[/color][/size][/b]
[b][size=3]Increase in Min Base Sal due to CBA: ~ $2 million[/size][/b]
[b][size=3][color=black]Salary Cap Total Before Recent Moves: $117.3 million[/color][/size][/b]
[b][size=3][/size][/b]
[size=3][color=black][b]NFL Salary Cap Limit: $102 million[/b][/color][/size]
[b][size=3][color=black][/color][/size][/b]
[color=black][size=3]Actual Cuts - Cap Savings:[/size]
Brandon Noble - $1.7 million
Walt Harris - $2 million
Matt Bowen - $2 million
Corey Raymer - $1 million[/color]
[color=black]Tom Tupa - $600 K[/color]
[color=black]Lavar Arrington - $4.4 million
[size=3]Total Cap Savings from Cuts: $11.7 million[/size]

[b]Salary Cap $ Scheduled in 2006 after Cuts: $105.6 million[/b]

[size=3]Roster Bonuses Restructured - Cap Savings[/size]
Sean Taylor: $1.8 million
Clinton Portis: $2.5 million
Casey Rabach: $1.5 million
Shawn Springs: $2.5 million
Cornelius Griffin: $2.0 million
Marcus Washington: $1.9 million
Chris Samuels: $3.7 million
[size=3]Total Cap Savings from Roster Bonus Restructures: $15.9 million[/size]

[b]Salary Cap $ Scheduled in 2006 after Cuts, Trades, Post June 1 Cuts, and Roster Bonus Restructures: $87.7 million[/b]

[b]2006 Cap: $102 million[/b]

[b][size=3]Expected Cap Room before Trading Ramsey: $15.3 million[/size][/b][/color]
[b][size=3][color=black][/color][/size][/b]
[size=3][color=black]When we trade Ramsey: $1.7 million[/color][/size]
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[size=3][color=black][b]Total Cap Room Available for 2006: $17 million[/b][/color][/size]
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The tendering of our RFAs and the resigning of Rock Cartwright are not included in these numbers.
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[b][color=red]This analysis does not include any restructures of base salary which may have occurred. These would create even more cap room. If you know of any, please post them and I will update.[/color][/b][/QUOTE]

Nice post Schneed.

Some other factors:

- salary mins have increased which will reduce the cap room.
- option bonuses due in 2006 can now be prorated 5 years instead of 4 which increases the cap room.
- you added $4.4M in savings for Lavar, but you didn't include his $12M deadcap charge. His net deadcap charge will be around $8M ($12M - $4M).

I'm gonna try to get some new cap sheets up in the next few days even if I have to make a bunch of assumptions.

EDIT: Sorry just realized you did factor in the salary min increases into your calculations.

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[QUOTE=CrazyCanuck]Nice post Schneed.

Some other factors:

- salary mins have increased which will reduce the cap room.
- option bonuses due in 2006 can now be prorated 5 years instead of 4 which increases the cap room.
- you added $4.4M in savings for Lavar, but you didn't include his $12M deadcap charge. His net deadcap charge will be around $8M ($12M - $4M).

I'm gonna try to get some new cap sheets up in the next few days even if I have to make a bunch of assumptions.

EDIT: Sorry just realized you did factor in the salary min increases into your calculations.[/QUOTE]

I see you noticed the min salary increases included in the top. Arrington's contract was scheduled to count $12.something million in 2006 if he were on the roster, and that got included in the top line of $116.8 million. So his dead money would be wrapped up in the starting number, minus the $4.4 million.

Sorry that was confusing, I should have broken his dead money out after he got cut.

I'm sure you've been trying to come across cap figures for the new contracts, I know I have been and it's pretty much impossible at this point. One thing's certain, we can prorate the signing bonuses over 5 years. And then knowing the Skins, it's probably safe to assume that the base salaries are set at the vet minimum in the early years of the contract.

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Ok now I see how you handled Lavar.

Ya finding contract info is tough. For the next update I'll have to make some assumptions. Once the dust settles in the next couple weeks, it should be easier to find more accurate numbers.

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generally the contracts are vet min for 2 years, with 2mill a year in SB proration.

arch only gets 5$ in SB, and 1$mill in roster bonuses each year after the first.

probably only spent ~11$ mill so far on players. though after the draft we might move some money forward (from future base salaries).

base salary restructures would only make sense for jansen, brunell, and thomas. brunell is least likely since he'll be cut in the next couple years.