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[QUOTE=railcon56@comcast.net]You're assuming ........when it happens then i might...... I'm more than sure saunders knows that Brunell cant execute the offense the way he expects.... so we'll see .... hell he could barely execute this anemic offense we have now.......[/QUOTE]

Damn, you are one hating machine. And if Saunders goes with Brunell? Well, then he's just a Gibbs lackey, part of the conspiracy or another coach with impeccable credentials who doesn't know half as much as you.

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i am not a hater ....in anyway ... I went to 3 games paid well over $1000 for 3 games this year....... but i just never got over patrick not getting his chance... Look I didn't want even gonna get into this but when i started read how everybody was downing patrick i felt i wanted my say.....if u read my pre seattle posts i refused to post anything negative against Brunell i wished him well.....As long as people say he's dumb and have their negative opinions on Ramsey I will be here defending him...... Cause he was here before Marky Mark...... suffered and deserved the chance...i dont abandon the guys that have been here during the hard times... to me thats a fan!!!!!!!!

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[QUOTE=JoeRedskin]Monday night in Dallas. 'nuff said.[/QUOTE]
Funny you mentioned that Game ....he was horrible for 56 mins of that Game he looked like the worst and the oldest Qb in the NFL...then 2 passes he became god...they were great passes but .....was it really just an overrated Cowboys Safety that was at fault or Brunell's brilliance ..ask yoursself that? But the true brunell showed up when it counted ...AT THE END OF THE SEASON!!!! And Does anyone doubt the redskins are just as good probably better than the Seahawks ...I know the Redskins are better..... I didnt see him come close to duplicating those plays the rest of the season........

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[QUOTE=railcon56@comcast.net]i am not a hater ....in anyway ... I went to 3 games paid well over $1000 for 3 games this year....... but i just never got over patrick not getting his chance... Look I didn't want even gonna get into this but when i started read how everybody was downing patrick i felt i wanted my say.....if u read my pre seattle posts i refused to post anything negative against Brunell i wished him well.....As long as people say he's dumb and have their negative opinions on Ramsey I will be here defending him...... Cause he was here before Marky Mark...... suffered and deserved the chance...[b]i dont abandon the guys that have been here during the hard times... to me thats a fan!!!!!!!![/b][/QUOTE]
Wait, so thinking that Ramsey isn't going to be a successful NFL QB because he was here first means you're not a fan? I'm not following that bit of logic..

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[QUOTE=That Guy]i know you're trying to make a point, but that fumble would have happened to anyone, ramsey got a piledriver straight into the ground and had to come off the field due to it. At the time a lot of people were expecting a flagrant foul to cancel the fumble. Either way, in that one speicifc instance it wasn't sloppy ball handling that caused that fumble, and at least 90% of QBs would also lose it.[/QUOTE]
That fumble was under duress, no doubt.. Lest we forget the other fumble where he held the ball forever and was sacked and fumbled and Jansen recovered. The guy is a human turnover machine..

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[QUOTE=Paintrain]Wait, so thinking that Ramsey isn't going to be a successful NFL QB because he was here first means you're not a fan? I'm not following that bit of logic..[/QUOTE]
No but some have suggested questioning coaching decisions and not being happy with a loss no matter how good the season was being a fair weather fan!

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[QUOTE=Paintrain]That fumble was under duress, no doubt.. Lest we forget the other fumble where he held the ball forever and was sacked and fumbled and Jansen recovered. The guy is a human turnover machine..[/QUOTE]
Brunell fumbled anytime he was breathed on this year

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[QUOTE=offiss]Actually it's nobody's offense right now, and we defiently took a turn towards the west coast offense around the 4th or 5th game because of the futility on offense, and that was Musgraves influence, Gibbs was probably calling most of the play's, but theres a reason Saunders is being brought in, and it's not because everyone is trying to take credit for our offensive output this past season.[/QUOTE]

What are you talking about. We have never, oh wait a minute, yeah we did run the west coast offense, when R. Pettibone coached, and how many games did we win that year? This in no way resembles a west coast offense. Did we run quick slants, drags, draws, hardly ever. Just because we run them once in a while doesn't constitute a west coast offense. Besides the fact, west coast generally throws the ball a whole hell of alot more than we did. We ran the ball over 50% of the time, especially in the last 5 or 6 weeks. Brunell throwing for under 100 yards a game for 2 or 3 games, hardly says we are running a west coast offense. Hell, sorry Joey Harrington ran that style and he still threw for 200+ and how horrible is he. Brunell would throw for 3500+ if that was the case.

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[QUOTE=railcon56@comcast.net]Greg Williams won those games ........not brunell[/QUOTE]

Since when did Gregg Williams strap on a helmet and throw for 23 TDs???

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[QUOTE=12thMan]Since when did Gregg Williams strap on a helmet and throw for 23 TDs???[/QUOTE]

You're missing the point, Brunell didn't throw 23 TDs.

Williams uses a mind control device fitted in Brunell's helmet and GW controlled him via a PS2 controller on the sidelines. Gibbs doesn't even know about this, but GW is the controlling force behind the entire organization. He also sets the ticket prices, controls roster moves, and sets merchandise and food prices as well.

How can he do this you may ask, well it's well known GW is blessed with supernatural abilities. Just check out this exclusive shot that Malcolm obtained for us

[img]http://img488.imageshack.us/img488/7558/booface2op.jpg[/img]

This explains everything.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]You're missing the point, Brunell didn't throw 23 TDs.

Williams uses a mind control device fitted in Brunell's helmet and GW controlled him via a PS2 controller on the sidelines. Gibbs doesn't even know about this, but GW is the controlling force behind the entire organization. He also sets the ticket prices, controls roster moves, and sets merchandise and food prices as well.

How can he do this you may ask, well it's well known GW is blessed with supernatural abilities. Just check out this exclusive shot that Malcolm obtained for us

[img]http://img488.imageshack.us/img488/7558/booface2op.jpg[/img]

This explains everything.[/QUOTE]

Wow, this is like Men In Black or something!

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]You're missing the point, Brunell didn't throw 23 TDs.

Williams uses a mind control device fitted in Brunell's helmet and GW controlled him via a PS2 controller on the sidelines. Gibbs doesn't even know about this, but GW is the controlling force behind the entire organization. He also sets the ticket prices, controls roster moves, and sets merchandise and food prices as well.

How can he do this you may ask, well it's well known GW is blessed with supernatural abilities. Just check out this exclusive shot that Malcolm obtained for us

[img]http://img488.imageshack.us/img488/7558/booface2op.jpg[/img]

This explains everything.[/QUOTE]

You guys are killing me with these new "images". LOL

Seriously, thanks for clearing that up. I really had no idea GW had that much control. This totally explains everything.

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[QUOTE=12thMan]You guys are killing me with these new "images". LOL

Seriously, thanks for clearing that up. I really had no idea GW had that much control. This totally explains everything.[/QUOTE]

For all we know GW could even be controlling this site.

Gibbs thinks he's super smart, when in reality he's just super spooky.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]For all we know GW could even be controlling this site.

Gibbs thinks he's super smart, when in reality he's just super spooky.[/QUOTE]


He knows when you've been bad or good, so be good for goodness sake!

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]For all we know GW could even be controlling this site.

Gibbs thinks he's super smart, when in reality he's just super spooky.[/QUOTE]

I can just picture GW controling everything behind a big curtain with a bunch of levers like the Wizard of OZ!

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Neither Ramsey nor Brunell would fall under the category of "Fearsome Passer" in my book. Brunell has the experience to know that when the play breaks down he has two options: throw the ball away or look to run and pick up some yards. I think Ramsey just hasn't been given the time to develop that experience. Some QB's learn pretty fast (Donovan McNabb, Tom Brady, Ben Roethlisberger) others take a little longer (Matt Hassleback?). Of course some never seem to get it at all (Joey Harrington, Aaron Brooks, Michael Vick?). Ramsey needs the chance to play 16 games consecutively in an offense not associated with Steve Spurrier. Whether he ever gets that chance as a Washington Redskin will be determinedi n a just a few short months.

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[QUOTE=railcon56@comcast.net]You're assuming ........when it happens then i might...... I'm more than sure saunders knows that Brunell cant execute the offense the way he expects.... so we'll see .... hell he could barely execute this anemic offense we have now.......[/QUOTE]Maybe our anemic offense was in part due to the coaching and Gibbs realized this and thats why they brought in Saunders. I heard alot this year and last year about how the O was being called like on third and five we had the seven point lead and we ran a tight formation and ran the ball. Gibbs brought Saunders in for a reason and who ever he thinks is best fit to run our O I will be happy with weather its Brunell,Ramsey or Campbell. I would think that Saunder will have a big say in weather Ramsey stays and this may just work in Ramsey's favor. Time will only tell.

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[QUOTE=firstdown]Maybe our anemic offense was in part due to the coaching and Gibbs realized this and thats why they brought in Saunders. I heard alot this year and last year about how the O was being called like on third and five we had the seven point lead and we ran a tight formation and ran the ball. Gibbs brought Saunders in for a reason and who ever he thinks is best fit to run our O I will be happy with weather its Brunell,Ramsey or Campbell. I would think that Saunder will have a big say in weather Ramsey stays and this may just work in Ramsey's favor. Time will only tell.[/QUOTE]
Yes I agree

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Ramsey is outta here, GW can't seem to find a mind control device that works with him. His potential overpowers the device rendering it useless.

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I don't get why some people think that Gibbs is somehow obligated to use Ramsey just because he was here. Gibbs DID NOT pick him! Thus, he doesn't HAVE to use him. Gibbs, like any other coach PICKS his quarterbacks. He chose Brunell and Campbell. And if it's true that Campbell is ready - Ramsey is on his way out.

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I can't wait till' Ramsey goes so we can concentrate our discussions on how much potenential Arrington has to be a better QB than MB.................or maybe Antwan Randal Ferrote.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Ramsey is outta here, GW can't seem to find a mind control device that works with him. His potential overpowers the device rendering it useless.[/QUOTE]
Mr Snyder is gonna have Gibbs give his to Williams' so i have hope still.

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[QUOTE=Hog1]I can't wait till' Ramsey goes so we can concentrate our discussions on how much potenential Arrington has to be a better QB than MB.................or maybe Antwan Randal Ferrote.[/QUOTE]

Course then we'll listen to how good of a hall of famer or pro bowler he is....

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[QUOTE=724Skinsfan]Neither Ramsey nor Brunell would fall under the category of "Fearsome Passer" in my book. Brunell has the experience to know that when the play breaks down he has two options: throw the ball away or look to run and pick up some yards. I think Ramsey just hasn't been given the time to develop that experience. Some QB's learn pretty fast (Donovan McNabb, Tom Brady, Ben Roethlisberger) others take a little longer (Matt Hassleback?). Of course some never seem to get it at all (Joey Harrington, Aaron Brooks, Michael Vick?). Ramsey needs the chance to play 16 games consecutively in an offense not associated with Steve Spurrier. [b]Whether he ever gets that chance as a Washington Redskin will be determinedi n a just a few short months.[/b][/QUOTE]
Let me save you the time, he's gone.. You're welcome.

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[QUOTE=Paintrain]So what's your excuse for the preseason and the 1st game of the season, 4 possessions, 2 turnovers?[/QUOTE]


Wow I have been gone 2 days and this thread is still going strong, sorry I haven't been around to get your back with all these Ramsey haters Rail.

As for you Mr. Pain, who played against what in pre-season? Yes Ramsey played against starters, and Brunell played against the UPS loading dock crew.

What did I say about the TO's for Ramsey you ask? Well according to Gibbs if a WR makes the wrong read on a route and the QB throws it in anticipation of that and gets burned it's not the QB's fault, as we heard late in the year when Gibbs went out of his way to defend Brunell for that very thing, funny we never heard a peep put of him when it happened to Ramsey in the Bears game.

As for his fumble? He's lucky he still has his head from that cheap shot he took which should have never happened.

Now lets take a look at the man with the golden arm, and keep in mind that twinkies are golden shall we, did Brunell have any TO's before his big time throws to Moss? Answer, yes. Now pain were you screaming for Gibbs to yank Brunell at that point considering he was stinking the joint up worse than Ramsey? Or did you just decide to overlook it and act as if it didn't occur? That's a real tough question for myself to answer. :yeahright

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For the Ramsey supporters I just wanna ask this....why do you all like to think that Gibbs was obligated to use Ramsey just because another coach with a totally different philosophy drafted him? Yeah Gibbs got Brunell and Campbell. That's because he thinks that they can run [i]his [/i]offense better than Ramsey. So of course he's gonna use them.

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[QUOTE=offiss]Wow I have been gone 2 days and this thread is still going strong, sorry I haven't been around to get your back with all these Ramsey haters Rail.

As for you Mr. Pain, who played against what in pre-season? Yes Ramsey played against starters, and Brunell played against the UPS loading dock crew.

What did I say about the TO's for Ramsey you ask? Well according to Gibbs if a WR makes the wrong read on a route and the QB throws it in anticipation of that and gets burned it's not the QB's fault, as we heard late in the year when Gibbs went out of his way to defend Brunell for that very thing, funny we never heard a peep put of him when it happened to Ramsey in the Bears game.

As for his fumble? He's lucky he still has his head from that cheap shot he took which should have never happened.

Now lets take a look at the man with the golden arm, and keep in mind that twinkies are golden shall we, did Brunell have any TO's before his big time throws to Moss? Answer, yes. Now pain were you screaming for Gibbs to yank Brunell at that point considering he was stinking the joint up worse than Ramsey? Or did you just decide to overlook it and act as if it didn't occur? That's a real tough question for myself to answer. :yeahright[/QUOTE]

That response was actually specific to a comment that Ramsey never had the benefit of getting the majority of the reps and his poor play in the past was a result of not being ready to play...

In '04, I was like everyone else and was calling for Brunell's head.. For 56 minutes of the Dallas game I was thinking here we go again.. I still call him Brunold because he looks old a lot.. However, at no other time this season, with the exceptions of the 1st half of the AZ game and once he got hurt, did Brunell look as bad as Ramsey.. The fact that the coaching staff didn't play a healthy Ramsey over an obviously hobbled Brunell should tell you all you need to know about where he stands in the eyes of the organization..

I'm sorry, but Ramsey scares me when he is in the game.. He looks and plays scared. That's not what I want leading my team.. If the Redskins decide to keep him and play him I obviously hope for the best, but I don't think he will be successful as a Redskins QB based on what I've seen.. It's not hate, when he's traded, I hope he does well somewhere else.. He's a class guy, but just not a good QB in my opinion.

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[QUOTE=Paintrain]That response was actually specific to a comment that Ramsey never had the benefit of getting the majority of the reps and his poor play in the past was a result of not being ready to play...

In '04, I was like everyone else and was calling for Brunell's head.. For 56 minutes of the Dallas game I was thinking here we go again.. I still call him Brunold because he looks old a lot.. However, at no other time this season, with the exceptions of the 1st half of the AZ game and once he got hurt, did Brunell look as bad as Ramsey.. The fact that the coaching staff didn't play a healthy Ramsey over an obviously hobbled Brunell should tell you all you need to know about where he stands in the eyes of the organization..

I'm sorry, but Ramsey scares me when he is in the game.. He looks and plays scared. That's not what I want leading my team.. If the Redskins decide to keep him and play him I obviously hope for the best, but I don't think he will be successful as a Redskins QB based on what I've seen.. It's not hate, when he's traded, I hope he does well somewhere else.. He's a class guy, but just not a good QB in my opinion.[/QUOTE]

well said!

I agree he's not the apple of the organzations eye, at least Gibbs, I do think Snyder is a Ramsey guy, but he was responsible for drafting him as well.

What I look at when I see Ramsey is a player who came into a brand new offense in Gibbs, from a kaotic offense as far as protection in SS, and yes when SS was here Ramsey was money with his passas anytime he had an opportunity to actually drop and plant his back foot, unfortunatly that wasen't often with SS. Aside from a WR making the wrong read in the Bears game causing Ramseys first INT, and a chop to the throat for a fumble, he drove the ball very well on what turned out to be maybe the best D in the NFL, yes he had more yards in the first quarter passing than Brunell had in 3. I will always feel that had Ramsey been given the opportunity to understand and become comfortable in Gibbs offense he would be far better than Brunell right now. If Ramsey doesn't get an opportunity with us I would love to see him in miami, or dallas, those are 2 spots with coaches who will allow his talents to flurish.


I will aslo feel that Ramsey status right now is because of a Gibbs promise to Brunell. Gibbs had to convince Brunell to come to DC if you remember when he was rumored to be released he said he wanted to start, and everyone knew that Ramsey had shown tremendous promise under SS, and couldn't wait to see what he would do with a real coach, so Brunell was reluctant to come to us because he didn't want to backup. Then what? Gibbs spends like an entire week with the guy and the next thing you know 43 mil and a second rd. pick he's a skin, with the announcment that it will be an open competition for the starters job? Ramsey wanted out soon as he heard it, why? Because he knew what he was up against, there is no way you give up what we gave up for a veteran QB on his last leg if he could quite seriously be a backup that would be absolutly ridiculous. Gibbs promised him the starters job that is the only way Brunell would come here. Did Gibbs sacrifice winning or a better QB intentionally? No, but he made a commitment to Brunell and stuck with it believing he can win regardless of the QB as he's proven throughout his carreer. And that is why I have always felt Ramsey has been treated as a red headed step child. Can you say the way Brunell played last year that the belief that some how Brunell wasen't Gibbs illegitamate son the way he stuck with him? Then Ramsey finally gets his shot 3 games against 2 of the best teams in the NFL and the 2 best defenses to go with it and looked very good, he also blew out a Giant team that brunell was getting his lunch handed to him the first time we played them.

I don't care who disagree's with this, and I know there will be plenty, but this whole QB controversy is about Gibbs not wanting to admit he made a royal screwup with the Brunell trade, and is know trying to drive a square peg through a round hole to justify it. Maybe he swings a big enough sledge to make that peg fit, but I will always believe it would have been much easier with Ramsey!

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And the rest of us will always believe that Gibbs made the right choice and have proof of this past season.

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[QUOTE=skinsguy]And the rest of us will always believe that Gibbs made the right choice and have proof of this past season.[/QUOTE]


I know.

I just don't consider making the playoffs a gauge of success in this sense, would anyone consider the Colts season a success? Not if your supposed to be playing in the super bowl next week. same here, we could have been much better, look how far we went without an offense, we could be playing next week if we had just a decent offense it didn't have to be great. And anyone who thinks that we didn't have the talent to beat both Seattle and Carolina are only kidding themselves, I say with a real QB we not only beat them, we beat them soundly. So I don't believe when you underachieve that making the playoffs makes you a success. I know it's been a while so making the playoffs is a big deal right now, but when your starving anything tastes good, that doesn't mean you should be happy with spam, when you could of had filet mignon!

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[QUOTE=offiss]I know.

I just don't consider making the playoffs a gauge of success in this sense, would anyone consider the Colts season a success? Not if your supposed to be playing in the super bowl next week. same here, we could have been much better, look how far we went without an offense, we could be playing next week if we had just a decent offense it didn't have to be great. And anyone who thinks that we didn't have the talent to beat both Seattle and Carolina are only kidding themselves, I say with a real QB we not only beat them, we beat them soundly. So I don't believe when you underachieve that making the playoffs makes you a success. I know it's been a while so making the playoffs is a big deal right now, but when your starving anything tastes good, that doesn't mean you should be happy with spam, when you could of had filet mignon![/QUOTE]
Ty and welcome back Offiss and you couldn't be more right!

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[QUOTE=offiss]Wow I have been gone 2 days and this thread is still going strong, sorry I haven't been around to get your back with all these Ramsey haters Rail.

As for you Mr. Pain, who played against what in pre-season? Yes Ramsey played against starters, and Brunell played against the UPS loading dock crew.

What did I say about the TO's for Ramsey you ask? Well according to Gibbs if a WR makes the wrong read on a route and the QB throws it in anticipation of that and gets burned it's not the QB's fault, as we heard late in the year when Gibbs went out of his way to defend Brunell for that very thing, funny we never heard a peep put of him when it happened to Ramsey in the Bears game.

As for his fumble? He's lucky he still has his head from that cheap shot he took which should have never happened.

Now lets take a look at the man with the golden arm, and keep in mind that twinkies are golden shall we, did Brunell have any TO's before his big time throws to Moss? Answer, yes. Now pain were you screaming for Gibbs to yank Brunell at that point considering he was stinking the joint up worse than Ramsey? Or did you just decide to overlook it and act as if it didn't occur? That's a real tough question for myself to answer. :yeahright[/QUOTE]
It's doesn't matter of course they weren't asking for the chosen one's head.... any int he could have thrown doesn't count cause he is more superior than any Qb...... Ramsey is just some dumbass with no football skill what so ever.... Brunell deserve's more consideration by the fact that he has so many championships ........he is a 1st ballot hall of famer....

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[QUOTE=offiss]I know.

I just don't consider making the playoffs a gauge of success in this sense, would anyone consider the Colts season a success? Not if your supposed to be playing in the super bowl next week. same here, we could have been much better, look how far we went without an offense, we could be playing next week if we had just a decent offense it didn't have to be great. And anyone who thinks that we didn't have the talent to beat both Seattle and Carolina are only kidding themselves, I say with a real QB we not only beat them, we beat them soundly. So I don't believe when you underachieve that making the playoffs makes you a success. I know it's been a while so making the playoffs is a big deal right now, but when your starving anything tastes good, that doesn't mean you should be happy with spam, when you could of had filet mignon![/QUOTE]
I wonder how many people here think that Seattle is a better team than the Redskin's and we couldn't have won that Game........ I know the Redskin's are better!!!!!!!!!

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[QUOTE=railcon56@comcast.net]It's doesn't matter of course they weren't asking for the chosen one's head.... any int he could have thrown doesn't count cause he is more superior than any Qb...... Ramsey is just some dumbass with no football skill what so ever.... Brunell deserve's more consideration by the fact that he has so many championships ........he is a 1st ballot hall of famer....[/QUOTE]

1st ballot? Whatever your smoking, send some my way.

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[QUOTE=offiss]I know.

I just don't consider making the playoffs a gauge of success in this sense, would anyone consider the Colts season a success? Not if your supposed to be playing in the super bowl next week. same here, we could have been much better, look how far we went without an offense, we could be playing next week if we had just a decent offense it didn't have to be great. And anyone who thinks that we didn't have the talent to beat both Seattle and Carolina are only kidding themselves, I say with a real QB we not only beat them, we beat them soundly. So I don't believe when you underachieve that making the playoffs makes you a success. I know it's been a while so making the playoffs is a big deal right now, but when your starving anything tastes good, that doesn't mean you should be happy with spam, when you could of had filet mignon![/QUOTE]In our case as a loosing team for the past five years yes making it to th playoffs was a success. For the colts who have been a team in the playoffs the past couple of years and at 13 and 0 no it was not a success. You have to start somewhere and we have made the start.

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[QUOTE=railcon56@comcast.net]It's doesn't matter of course they weren't asking for the chosen one's head.... any int he could have thrown doesn't count cause he is more superior than any Qb...... Ramsey is just some dumbass with no football skill what so ever.... Brunell deserve's more consideration by the fact that he has so many championships ........he is a 1st ballot hall of famer....[/QUOTE]

No one here, to the best of my knowledge, has said the Ramsey was some dumb jock and had no skills. You're going way overboard!

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[QUOTE=12thMan]No one here, to the best of my knowledge, has said the Ramsey was some dumb jock and had no skills. You're going way overboard![/QUOTE]

That's the take that the Ramsey backers take.

They make it sound like everyone hates Ramsey and thinks he's got no talent, which just isn't the case.

I think PR has talent and deserves a shot to compete for a job somewhere, but the problem is that Gibbs inherited him and he obviously feels other guys are better fits for him.

Any new coach deserves the opportunity to bring in "his guys", unfortunately Ramsey just isn't in Gibbs' plans.

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This is the neverending thread.......

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[QUOTE=railcon56@comcast.net]It's doesn't matter of course they weren't asking for the chosen one's head.... any int he could have thrown doesn't count cause he is more superior than any Qb...... Ramsey is just some dumbass with no football skill what so ever.... Brunell deserve's more consideration by the fact that he has so many championships ........he is a 1st ballot hall of famer....[/QUOTE]

There you go, playing the martyr again. I have yet to see anyone - ANYONE- assert a) Ramsey stinks. b) Brunnell is a hall of famer. INSTEAD, it simply asserted that a) Brunnell played pretty well for us this year; b) Ramsey has limitations which, GENERALLY SPEAKING, seem to be less of a problem for Brunnell (sacks, ints, lack of mobility). Essentially, everyone supporting Brunnell is saying, Gibbs wants to win, Gibbs knows more about QB's than we (despite being well informed) will ever know.

There is not some dark conspiracy to hold Ramsey back, rather, the coach who got us back to the playoff felt more comfortable with Brunnell. Gibbs would play the Diet Pepsi Machine at QB if he thought it gave the Skins the best chance to win.

Am I satisfied with the team's performance? Yes and No. Do I wish we were going to the SB? Yup. I am happy with the progress and believe we will continue to do so. Yup. Do I trust that Gibbs is the right man to make the decisions as to how best to get to the SB (including deciding which QB gives us the best chance to win)? Yup.

This team has progressed mightily since Spurrier's last game and the orchestrator of that change has been Gibbs.

Are we a better team than Seattle? We weren't on that day and it was not ALL Brunnell's fault. Would we have won with Ramsey? Dunno, but I am betting not. That was a pretty ferocious pass rush and I believe PR would been sacked into last week.

Questions for you RC and Offiss:
Do you believe you know more than Gibbs when it comes to rating QB's?
Do you have a better insight than Gibbs as to what it takes to win playoff games?

Unless you can honestly answer yes to both those questions, your argument (that Ramsey should be or should have been starting) simply has no foundation.

Re: Will Saunders Affect Our QB Situation?
 

[QUOTE=offiss]I know.

I just don't consider making the playoffs a gauge of success in this sense, would anyone consider the Colts season a success? Not if your supposed to be playing in the super bowl next week. same here, we could have been much better, look how far we went without an offense, we could be playing next week if we had just a decent offense it didn't have to be great. And anyone who thinks that we didn't have the talent to beat both Seattle and Carolina are only kidding themselves, [b]I say with a real QB we not only beat them, we beat them soundly.[/b] So I don't believe when you underachieve that making the playoffs makes you a success. I know it's been a while so making the playoffs is a big deal right now, but when your starving anything tastes good, that doesn't mean you should be happy with spam, when you could of had filet mignon![/QUOTE]
Simple yes or no, with that statement you made, factoring Taylor Jacobs at #2 WR (who ran off the field yelling 'I think I have a concussion' which means you don't), Jimmy Farris at #3 WR and Antonio Brown at #4 WR do you think a 'real QB' would have made a significant difference in that Seattle game?

Is Ramsey that 'real QB' to whom you are referring?