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I have been a long time Brunell supporter but the evidence is in. We simply cannot rely on him to be consistently good enough to win games. He is not THE problem on offense but he is A problem on offense and unfortunately he has nowhere to go but down. The guy is 36 and when he plays well gives us a good chance to win that is for sure. The problem is that he only plays well about half the time and with the state of our offense we simply cannot over come his bad play. The other problem is that his incosistently could be huge factor in the lack of development in terms of offense. I am not ready to give up on the season but I just don't think that Brunell really does give us the best chance to win week in and week out. I was at the game. He did several things that he has done at other times this season.

1) he simply missed open guys. on maybe 8-9 plays he went to what I would consider a poor option when there were open guys he should have either seen or not ignored.

2) he is almost incapable of throwing intermediate passes. We have complained all along that he doesn't have the arm to go downfield. That is not the problem. He has plenty enough arm to chuck the ball downfield and let fast WRs get to it. He doesn't NOT have the arm to throw a well time and accurate 20 yard seam route in between 2 defenders. Now that is a hard throw but it is throw a good QB can make. He missed 5-6 intermediate throws today and I'd say that he should be expected to have hit 3 of them. I mean on several of them they weren't even close.

And I don't want to hear about him being hurt. If being hurt really affects his effectiveness this bad then that is a BAD thing. Favre spent a career playing through minor injuries. McNabb is doing the same. Hell McNabb played with the same injury that Springs has missed weeks because of. Lots of QBs have little injuries that wont keep them out of games. It just seems that whenever Brunell gets one it doesn't keep him out either but it keeps him from playing well in any way.

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sorry if i missed all this before, but was there any talk here about how Brunell was getting shut down by the ol' vanilla Cover-2? and how Santana Moss himself said that that wasn't a real coverage and he could play cornerback himself phenomonally in it?

how US AT THE WARPATH, we're saying the exact same thing BEFORE the Washington Post and Moss chimed in, and we all know our football from a frickin videogame??

how was that not a diss on Brunell by Moss? how was that gameplan vs. the Titans not DON'T RELY ON BRUNELL? now *everyone* knows Brunell's limitations, and not just the other teams defenses. in their ever-so-exotic, made-to-stop-Brunell, anyone-can-do-it, Cover-2.

those dinky passes most of the game were to bypass Brunell and just get the ball to Moss even if it was behind the line of schrimmage. the 2, 3 times he heaved it, you could hear the bones creak.

that one pass to Cooley was a beauty though. Cooley's the only reciever big enough to hit, and slow enough to not run too far for Brunell to throw to in the middle of the field.

yes, the whole team is suffering. when that happens, you look at the QB to be the leader of the team in crisis, not the easily exploited weak point.

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I'd like to know exactly why some people are convinced Brunell gives us the best chance to win in any given week? To me he has proven that he cannot be counted to do the things he needs to do for us to win. Namely, make good decisions and throw accurate short passes. I have totally fallen off his band-wagon and I am not an idito homer fan who yells about the QB. He simply has shown me enough that I can't imagine Campbell doing worse. In fact I think Campbell would have a chance to do better since he still has physical skills to fall back on in absense of quality decision making.

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[quote=Mattyk72;229328]It should have been thank you Al Saunders for not pounding the rock all day long. 14 carries for Portis... that's not Redskins football.[/quote]


yeah, this one still mystifies me. completely.

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[QUOTE=T.A.P.O.A.F.O.R.;229341]yeah, this one still mystifies me. completely.[/QUOTE]

i have an idea why. Portis is easy to commit to and stop if your team poses no vertical air threat. Saunders ran the ball alot using Moss and Randle El, so that Portis wasn't the only ground threat to key on. clever attempt to hide your offense's vulnerabilty (Brunell and his middle of the field phobia), but alas keeping everyone within 10yds of the line of schrimmage stopped our screens too. sigh

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The play calling was atrocious but let's be honest. We didn't execute the plays that were called. It is not like we were playing some great pass defense that was also a terrible run defense. They were terrible at run D and barely passable as a pass D. We should have pounded it but we also should have been able to execute a passing offense too pretty successfully.

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[quote=illdefined;229349]i have an idea why. Portis is easy to commit to and stop if your team poses no vertical air threat. Saunders ran the ball alot using Moss and Randle El, so that Portis wasn't the only ground threat to key on. clever attempt to hide your offense's vulnerabilty (Brunell and his middle of the field phobia), but alas keeping everyone within 10yds of the line of schrimmage stopped our screens too. sigh[/quote]
BINGO!!!!!!

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Im a Brunell defender and even i say start Campbell

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[QUOTE=FRPLG;229333]
2) he is almost incapable of throwing intermediate passes. We have complained all along that he doesn't have the arm to go downfield. That is not the problem. He has plenty enough arm to chuck the ball downfield and let fast WRs get to it. He doesn't NOT have the arm to throw a well time and accurate 20 yard seam route in between 2 defenders. Now that is a hard throw but it is throw a good QB can make. He missed 5-6 intermediate throws today and I'd say that he should be expected to have hit 3 of them. I mean on several of them they weren't even close.[/QUOTE]


This, to me, is the real damning evidence against Brunnell. When he has time, he can rear back and fire the deep ball (not particularly nicely, but whatever), but he just cannot hit these crucial mid-range passes. This is the pass that beats the cover 2, IMO. In between CBs and Safties, Safties and LBs, etc. You beat a zone by sitting in the soft sopts or running in the seams. MB can't do that. And, obviously, this is a big part of any offense, especially Saunders, with its shifts and mismatches. Campbell has the arm to do this. Yes, Iknow, he doesn't have expereince reading Ds, and so he's going to throw INTs. But he's gotta learn sometime, and MB ISN'T GETTING IT DONE ANYWAY. Good post, FRPLG (I think of you as "Fur Plug"--what does this stand for, btw? ;) )

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[QUOTE=JWsleep;229378] Good post, FRPLG (I think of you as "Fur Plug"--what does this stand for, btw? ;) )[/QUOTE]

Fire Plug. Old nick name. Retarded one too but it became my online persona.

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Ahhh. thanks. "Fur plug" is pretty cool, too, especially given the cool Portis avatar you're sporting these days.

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[quote=illdefined;229349]i have an idea why. Portis is easy to commit to and stop if your team poses no vertical air threat. Saunders ran the ball alot using Moss and Randle El, so that Portis wasn't the only ground threat to key on. clever attempt to hide your offense's vulnerabilty (Brunell and his middle of the field phobia), but alas keeping everyone within 10yds of the line of schrimmage stopped our screens too. sigh[/quote]

but portis was still getting good runs. you'd think they'd wait until he actually got stuffed repeatedly instead of saying, "he's gonna get stuffed. let's pass."

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[quote=T.A.P.O.A.F.O.R.;229470]but portis was still getting good runs. you'd think they'd wait until he actually got stuffed repeatedly instead of saying, "he's gonna get stuffed. let's pass."[/quote]


true...they seemed to give up on one of the best things that our team has going for it to early on......

maybe to try to please the fans???

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[QUOTE=T.A.P.O.A.F.O.R.;229470]but portis was still getting good runs. you'd think they'd wait until he actually got stuffed repeatedly instead of saying, "he's gonna get stuffed. let's pass."[/QUOTE]

hey i hear you, but we got all these playmakers besides Portis we should get the ball to. that would require Brunell to test the secondary and pass though, which we know ain't happening, so Saunders' solution was to dink it to them or worse yet, just hand it to them in the backfield.

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[quote=illdefined;229491]hey i hear you, but we got all these playmakers besides Portis we should get the ball to. that would require Brunell to test the secondary and pass though, which we know ain't happening, so Saunders' solution was to dink it to them or worse yet, just hand it to them in the backfield.[/quote]

agreed

running the reverse to Moss' was ok, when it worked but, you have to use your talent in the way that gets the best results...look what happened when Randle-El carried the ball...he fumbled like a freshman RB str8 outta highschool.....

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Im sticking with Fur Plug.

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[quote=Mattyk72;229328]It should have been thank you Al Saunders for not pounding the rock all day long. 14 carries for Portis... that's not Redskins football.[/quote]

I don't know, that runs kind of long for a locker room post game chant.

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I was at the game, Brunell had open guys deep all game. Lloyd could have caught about 3 deep balls. Thrash was open deep over the middle about 3 times. They literally didn't even cover him. Cooley was open deep over the middle once or twice. Brunell doesn't even look downfield. He is too afraid to throw the ball, especially if it is over the middle. There is no way that we could do any worse with Campbell.

Even if Brunell does do good next week, it doesn't matter. He is too inconsistent to be effective. He'll have 2 or 3 bad games for every good game he has. Then each good game lets him keep his job for those bad games. I don't see how anyone can say that we could do any worse with Campbell. At least Campbell will get better.

I know the defense is a problem too, but that is not what this thread is about and Brunell is playing terribly.

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I must say that it is surprising that Brunell appears to be looking to Moss and forcing things his way. As a smart veteran, I would expect him to be able to look at multiple receivers for the open guy.

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[QUOTE=steveo395;229676]I was at the game, [B]Brunell had open guys deep all game. Lloyd could have caught about 3 deep balls. Thrash was open deep over the middle about 3 times. They literally didn't even cover him. Cooley was open deep over the middle once or twice.[/B] Brunell doesn't even look downfield. He is too afraid to throw the ball, especially if it is over the middle. There is no way that we could do any worse with Campbell.
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That's what I've been wondering. Watching on TV, you cannot see if the receivers are getting separation. If they can get open, does Brunell not see it? Does he feel he doesn't have enough time to get the ball there because of pressure from the D-line?

Brunell wasn't really harassed by the Titans pass rush. There were a few roll-outs, but that's about it.

For all the lock-step Brunell defenders, I keep asking these questions: Is the O-line playing horribly, so much so that Brunell has no chance to find the open receiver? When the team commits to the run, are they having problems running? Did Moss, Randle El, Cooley and Lloyd suddenly forget how to separate from their defenders? If not, then what's the common denominator here?

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[quote=Beemnseven;229688]For all the lock-step Brunell defenders, I keep asking these questions: Is the O-line playing horribly, so much so that Brunell has no chance to find the open receiver? When the team commits to the run, are they having problems running? Did Moss, Randle El, Cooley and Lloyd suddenly forget how to separate from their defenders? If not, then what's the common denominator here?[/quote]Although, I'm hardly a lock-step Brunell defender, I pretty much take the role of one on a board so damn quick to heap blame on the guy.

Is the OLine playing horribly? No. When the team commits to the run, are they having problems running? No. Did Moss, Randle El, Cooley, and Lloyd suddenly forget how to seperate from their defenders? It seems like it sometimes, but I don't think this is the case.

So what's the common denominator? Well, outside of simply philosophy transition issues we are having (Gibbs to Saunders) that are costing us in crucial situations, I'd say...get ready to be blown away...

THERE REALLY ISN'T AN OFFENSIVE PROBLEM!

Where did you honestly expect this offense to rank preseason? Going into this week, we were the 7th ranked offense by Football Outsider's DVOA statistic. 7/32. That's top quarter. By the same statistic, our D ranks 23. Could we be higher than 7th with Peyton instead of Brunell? Probably. But I mean, c'mon. Did you really, really expect our offense to be top 3 this season simply because we added some different WRs? I didn't. Now ask yourself this one. Did you expect the D to be in the top 10? How about top 20? top 25?

I'm not picking on Beemnseven here. But as a whole, get real!

Remember, as bad as you [U]think[/U] you have it with Mark Brunell, about 15 teams have worse QB situations. (That's about half the league)

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The problem GTripp is that, outside of the Texans and Jacksonville games, our offense (including Brunell) has looked average to horrible. Look at our team stats, Brunell's stats, etc.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;229707]The problem GTripp is that, outside of the Texans and Jacksonville games, our offense (including Brunell) has looked average to horrible. Look at our team stats, Brunell's stats, etc.[/quote]I think this is the best possible counterpoint against my arguement. Inconsistency is a problem. But I pretty much scratch the Dallas game due to a lack of Portis. Brunell was better than average vs the Giants and pretty good against the Vikings. His stats weren't so hot this week, but I believe he did what he needed to do to have us win. No more, no less.

Inconsistency is a leaguewide issue. It's the nature of the league, and the nature of our offense. Going with Campbell instead of Brunell isn't going to solve ANY problems. Brunell has "struggled" through a 0.5 INT/Game season so far. I can't imagine Campbell would be anywhere near that low. QB rating (shitty stat, IMO) aside, 4/6 of Mark's games look pretty good to me on paper, and the other two I think are subpar performances, but once in which he avoided the game-changing mistake.

If you can keep your QB between great and average week in and week out, I think inconsistency is acceptable.

Fix the defense. That's not even inconsistent, that's just bad.

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Brunell had a QB rating of 68 and threw for 109 yards against the G-men. I would hardly call that "better than average."

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;229704]Although, I'm hardly a lock-step Brunell defender, I pretty much take the role of one on a board so damn quick to heap blame on the guy.

Is the OLine playing horribly? No. When the team commits to the run, are they having problems running? No. Did Moss, Randle El, Cooley, and Lloyd suddenly forget how to seperate from their defenders? It seems like it sometimes, but I don't think this is the case.

So what's the common denominator? Well, outside of simply philosophy transition issues we are having (Gibbs to Saunders) that are costing us in crucial situations, I'd say...get ready to be blown away...

THERE REALLY ISN'T AN OFFENSIVE PROBLEM!

Where did you honestly expect this offense to rank preseason? Going into this week, we were the 7th ranked offense by Football Outsider's DVOA statistic. 7/32. That's top quarter. By the same statistic, our D ranks 23. Could we be higher than 7th with Peyton instead of Brunell? Probably. But I mean, c'mon. Did you really, really expect our offense to be top 3 this season simply because we added some different WRs? I didn't. Now ask yourself this one. Did you expect the D to be in the top 10? How about top 20? top 25?

I'm not picking on Beemnseven here. But as a whole, get real!

Remember, as bad as you [U]think[/U] you have it with Mark Brunell, about 15 teams have worse QB situations. (That's about half the league)[/QUOTE]

I agree that Brunell isn't the one problem. The question is would replacing him serve as a panacea (for lack of a better word) for the fans and the team. I mean, let's say you replace Brunell and Holdman with Campbell and Rocky. Rocky finishes with 2 sacks and a forced fumble that Vincent (who also has an INT in the game) picks ups and runs in for what proves to be the winning touchdown. Campbell meanwhile finishes 11-23 for 112 yards 0 TDs and 2 INTs. I'm sure most fans are going to look to starting JC as being the difference. Would the team react the same way? I'm inclined to say no, but who knows.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;229714]Brunell had a QB rating of 68 and threw for 109 yards against the G-men. I would hardly call that "better than average."[/quote]He was 12/22, and we had the ball in that game for something redick like 20 mins or less. 5.0 Yards Per Attempt is pretty average. 55% completion is below my expectations for Brunell. But the road division game against a team coming off the bye with something to prove...that defense was insane that day. So I guess better than average is just my opinion. But anyway, 12/22 109 and 0 ints is nothing to get all upset over. Just a microchoism of the dominance of the Giants that day. Espicially the 22.

QB Rating is a dumb stat, IMO.

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Brunell IS A HUGE PROBLEM! For all you stat heads out there, if you take away his screen passes (at this point we may have broke the season record for screen passes already), and how would Brunell's passer rating / comp % be? I would wager HORRIBLE.
He is afraid to open up the field and throw it downfield, and when the time comes that he has to do it, well I refer you to the game ending int when the whole titans team was sitting there waiting.
So I say, since this season is pretty much a lost cause, might as well start Campbell.

On a side note, the defense is horrendous...what is Williams doing? Then again, when you get next to nothing for penetration, and cb's acting like they are afraid of the ball, can we really blame Williams?

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[quote=jsarno;229721]Brunell IS A HUGE PROBLEM! For all you stat heads out there, if you take away his screen passes (at this point we may have broke the season record for screen passes already), and how would Brunell's passer rating / comp % be? I would wager HORRIBLE.
He is afraid to open up the field and throw it downfield, and when the time comes that he has to do it, well I refer you to the game ending int when the whole titans team was sitting there waiting.
So I say, since this season is pretty much a lost cause, might as well start Campbell.

On a side note, the defense is horrendous...what is Williams doing? Then again, when you get next to nothing for penetration, and cb's acting like they are afraid of the ball, can we really blame Williams?[/quote]You know what team never throws screen passes and only goes downfield and refuses to take what the defense gives them? Oakland! Also, how can you blame the QB for the playcalling of screen passes (assuming that there was a problem, which there isnt). You get a penalty for throwing a deep route on a designed screen. It's called "illegal man downfield"!

So yeah, if you took any QB in the league and removed all the screens and the wide open passes and all successful plays that weren't deep bombs (ya know like the one he threw to Lloyd after he broke through his wall of "fear"), you'd end up with the Oakland offense. Congrats.

BRUNELL IS TEH SUXZ0RS!! BRING IN AARON BROOKS!

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;229704]THERE REALLY ISN'T AN OFFENSIVE PROBLEM!

... Where did you honestly expect this offense to rank preseason? Did you really, really expect our offense to be top 3 this season simply because we added some different WRs? I didn't.[/QUOTE]

The only area where I see legitimate concern is consistency with the O-line. Sometimes they give Brunell plenty of time, other times, he's running for his life -- especially against Dallas and the Giants. I'd say 60 - 70% of the time (pure guess, no actual mathematics involved), the quarterback is getting adequate protection. Would that be a fair estimate?

And no, adding different wideouts wasn't supposed to turn us into the Colts, but I think there were reasonable expectations of gradual progress by Week 5. Instead, they're taking giant leaps backward. That leads me to the common denominator -- if they are getting open, and Brunell is getting adequate protection most of the time, then what's the problem? Add this in with the fact that when the team and coaches commit to it, they can run the ball when they want to assuming Portis is healthy.

[QUOTE=GTripp0012;229704]Now ask yourself this one. Did you expect the D to be in the top 10? How about top 20? top 25?

I'm not picking on Beemnseven here. But as a whole, get real![/QUOTE]

Believe it or not, the tailspin we've seen from the defense doesn't surprise me. I think Williams has milked as much as he can from the group he's had since '04, and without any significant effort to maintain or add to it, i.e. help at DT, DE, and secondary, these results were bound to happen.

[QUOTE=GTripp0012;229704]Remember, as bad as you [U]think[/U] you have it with Mark Brunell, about 15 teams have worse QB situations. (That's about half the league)[/QUOTE]

Maybe so. But we weren't supposed to be one of those 15 teams this year. We were supposed to build from last year's playoff run and take a serious shot at the Super Bowl. The fact that there are other bad teams out there with quarterback problems of their own doesn't help us.

Leadership and playmakers at the quarterback position is what separates winners from losers in football, college and pro.

Until things change, this team will be a loser in '06.

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;229726]You know what team never throws screen passes and only goes downfield and refuses to take what the defense gives them? Oakland! Also, how can you blame the QB for the playcalling of screen passes (assuming that there was a problem, which there isnt). You get a penalty for throwing a deep route on a designed screen. It's called "illegal man downfield"!

So yeah, if you took any QB in the league and removed all the screens and the wide open passes and all successful plays that weren't deep bombs (ya know like the one he threw to Lloyd after he broke through his wall of "fear"), you'd end up with the Oakland offense. Congrats.

BRUNELL IS TEH SUXZ0RS!! BRING IN AARON BROOKS![/QUOTE]

Wow, so you really think Brunell is our answer? You think the defense only gives us screen passes? I guess our offense really does suck if all you're going to do is "take what the defense gives us". You need to TAKE the yards and be aggressive, not sit back and hope.
There are a lot of people here thinking screens are great, but if you are familiar with Saunders offensive systems, he opens the field and throws a lot of crossing routes downfield. Why are our Skins not doing this? Has Saunders gone soft, or Brunell have no balls? (I choose the latter)

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The one thing that has to stop right now is comparing Brunell to Manning. There is no compairson. One a elite quarterback and one a average quarterback on his good day.Yes this offense would be in the top five or top three with manning. Manning would spread the ball around to more than one wide reciever [moss] and use all his weapons like lloyd,randle el and cooley. Also wouldnt underthrow open recievers down field all the time.

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Brunell or Manning,mcnabb,brees,delhomme,vick,grossman,farve,kitna,johnson,smith, bulger,hassleback,bledsoe. And the new guy in tampa. Hard to pick Brunell over more than two of these quarterbacks in the NFC

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Brunell or brady,pennington,losman,culpepper,harrington,roethlisberger,palmer,mcnair,bolier/young,rivers,huard,green,plummer,frye,manning,leftwich,carr. You would on take brunell over about two or three here so lets be real we have one of the worst qb's in the NFL>

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Brunell is definitely a big problem, and probably the biggest one this year, but there has to be something wrong with the 2-million dollar man, Al Saunders. Either his "700+ page playbook" has about 680 pages of 5-yard passes, or he doesnt have the confidence, along with the rest of the Redskins fans, to be creative and tell Brunell to mix up his passes and throw deep. I say put in Campbell against Indy, and tell him not to be afraid to throw deep. He surely has the arm to do it, and what do you have to lose when our season is slowly slipping down the gutter. Even if Campbell over throws on some passes, throwing deep will make the defence actually respect the pass, and allow CP to break some good-sized runs for us.

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Season over all ready lets see what the kid has. Have to see if he can play for next year.

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they better get Campbell ready for next year now . Trying to open next year with no game experience at qb would be stupid , not to mention ,,, we might win now with Cambell . I just hope this team doesn't do something stupid in the offseason like ,,, trade , S.Taylor , Portis , Moss AND our first rd pick for J. Plummer :).

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I voted no on this thing. Obviously I cant say I think MB is a great qb, or that I even think he'll pull some crazy shit and get us to the playoffs this year, but as everyone else has been saying the defense is the real problem. Granted we shoulda been able to put up more then 25 against the titans, and MB's interception was stupid and devastating, but I think if we had the defense we had last year and expected to have this year, MB wouldve been able to lead us to at least 5-1 at this point, and was our best chance at making the playoffs this year. we aren't quite outa this yet, and I know its a stretch, but I know everyone here would shutup if he led us to a victory over INDY this week. If he doesn't, the seasons lost, and we have two weeks to prep JC. Give him one more week then pull the plug. Itll give JC another chance to see what not to do as an NFL quarterback. And for all of you saying JC is our only chance at salvaging this year, you're lying to yourself. I cant wait to see him either ( Gibbs = G= God...Jason Campbell = JC = jesus christ....cooincidence?) but lets not jump the gun

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Im not saying campbell going to save the season he wont. The defense stinks we all have can see that. That why we have to see if campbell can play, Brunell on his last legs or leg lol. Brunell is not our future and i hate to say it but last year the first half was a fluke. Brunell hasnt been a relaible qb since 2000. 2004 and late last year and this year is the real brunell.

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[quote=CHIEF CHUCKING MY SPEAR;229747]Brunell or brady,pennington,losman,culpepper,harrington,roethlisberger,palmer,mcnair,bolier/young,rivers,huard,green,plummer,frye,manning,leftwich,carr. You would on take brunell over about two or three here so lets be real we have one of the worst qb's in the NFL>[/quote]


culpeper sux worse, but you make an excellent point

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[quote=canthetuna;229787]culpeper sux worse, but you make an excellent point[/quote]


jesus, Culpepper is fucking awful....

it seems that the Dolphins and 'Skins season's are almost coinciding with one another....after last year they were picking Miami to go to the SB, i also think a few people said that about us too.....

give me Brunell in a wheelchair over Culpepper any day of the week.....