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I don't know if this quote from fairly early on in the article came from the same guy who said the later/more critical stuff, but this sounds like something Portis would say...
[QUOTE]It's not necessarily Gibbs' fault, because he didn't draw it up this way or imagine it happening, but the almighty dollar has created too many power trips at Redskin Park, or as one Redskins player said, [B]"Too many chiefs and not enough indians."[/B] [/QUOTE]
I know this is obviously going in a completely different direction than the thoughts that I was sharing earlier, but Portis has been pretty critical of the coaching staff ever since his injury in the preseason. That being said, I think he would man-up and talk out any beef with Gibbs face-to-face rather than go behind closed doors with a reporter.

Really, I'm just grasping at straws here because I'm having a really crappy day and I need something else to focus my attention on: ie; this little mystery we have brewing in Ashburn.

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The more I think about it the more it makes me think its AA.....

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I think if it's secondary then yeah it's AA.

Off topic for a second, I'm thinking less and less that Williams is the one who wanted Archuleta. Especially if Williams has been so insistent the past couple of years that it's the system, not the players. And with guys like Vincent and Fox able to step right in, maybe it is just the system. At this rate, we could probably put Brunell in at safety and he'd do better than Arch.

Off topic again, did anyone else see how small Arch looked standing next to Taylor on the sideline yesterday?

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Maybe it was Jerry Gray or Jackson who wanted Archuleta. Maybe that's what caused the rift!

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Vincent is a really stand up guy, head of the players association, great guy off the field who does alot for the community, etc. I'd be shocked it was him.

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Hey! how come we don't have a poll on this yet?

Archuleta
Rogers
Springs
Rumph
Wright
Someone on D-line
Someone on the offense

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Ummmmm, Jansen did talk to a reporter earlier this year about steroid use in the NFL, so could it have been him?




J/K

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[quote=724Skinsfan;251443]If we're sticking with the assumption that it was someone from the secondary then I'm thinking AA. Actually, I want it to be AA so we have an even better excuse to cut him regardless of salary cap woes that will come about. That dude had one job yesterday: protecting the punter. That's it! The only thing he needed to concentrate on the whole week was how to protect the punt from getting blocked. He even f*cked that up. He doesn't want to be here.[/quote]


It works for me. Let's blame it on him. It's a shame they couldn't use it to void his contract. Maybe we could all swear in an affidavit that he plays basketball with us in the offseason or rides in our motorcycle club. There must be some way to get out from under that deal.

I still say it was actually Rumph, though.

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Why not blame Brunell?? ;)

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;251514]Why not blame Brunell?? ;)[/QUOTE]

I think you're on to something there, Matty. He's been here for awhile, he's been benched, he probably doesn't like the fact that Williams uses the F word and dances, and he can't throw the ball more than 15 yards down field. It must be him!!!!

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[quote=ArtMonkDrillz;251517]I think you're on to something there, Matty. He's been here for awhile, he's been benched, he probably doesn't like the fact that Williams uses the F word and dances, and he can't throw the ball more than 15 yards down field. It must be him!!!![/quote]

Could be Ramsey too.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;251519]Could be Ramsey too.[/QUOTE]

Now that's just crazy talk. You and I both know he's taken too damn many shots to the head to be able to come up with that kind of in depth analysis.

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The comments they posted on Comcast Sportsnet suggest to me that it was someone who has been on the team for a while.

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I think Gregg Williams did it as a motivational ploy to rally the troops.

He knew that the veterans would be ticked off and would pull together.

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Brunell told me, he thought JC, and Ramsey started it?

Actually, it sounds to me that the author has a bit of an axe to grind with Joe.

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Good god! It was Joe Gibbs. Tom Friend did cover the Redskins during his first tenure. I'm sure a relationship did develop between the two. Gibbs is the master motivator. My vote has been changed to Coach Gibbs.

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I think it was Danny Smith, because Gregg Williams told him that having an entire pack of Big League Chew in his mouth during a game made him look like a fool. He was also mad because Williams told him that Novak is really a good kicker.

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You are all barking up the wrong tree. It was Pastabelly - He called friend and said he was archuleta.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;251552]You are all barking up the wrong tree. It was Pastabelly - He called friend and said he was archuleta.[/quote]

Hmm, good one. I wonder if AA ever lit up Todd Pinkston as he was laying out for a pass up the middle. That would be prime motive for Pastabelly to frame AA. I think there was/is a special relationship between Pastabelly and Pinkston. Their offspring would be hatch and be called a Pinkbelly.

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they said player. i'd vote with czab and go with springs. the quotes sounds like him. arch talks a bit differently. springs was rushed back onto the field and he's the most talkative guy on the team... he also had the best memory of what was said and softened and deflected those quotes at length (compared to anyone else). arch has been adamant about saying "no comment" so i doubt it's him... he also wasn't here before this year to know about the backstory with pierce et al. It has to be springs.

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[quote=That Guy;251559]they said player. i'd vote with czab and go with springs. the quotes sounds like him. arch talks a bit differently. springs was rushed back onto the field and he's the most talkative guy on the team... he also had the best memory of what was said and softened and deflected those quotes at length (compared to anyone else). arch has been adamant about saying "no comment" so i doubt it's him... he also wasn't here before this year to know about the backstory with pierce et al. It has to be springs.[/quote]
Apparently you havent been keeping up with Springs quotes. There is no chance it is him.

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[QUOTE=hooskins;251562]Apparently you havent been keeping up with Springs quotes. There is no chance it is him.[/QUOTE]

What has Springs said that makes you think that Springs is not the source?

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If we beat atlanta, all of this talk with subside, and the players will once again respect williams. Shawn Springs being healthy again has really transformed things from what I see. No matter what the players think of him, Williams is a good defensive coordinator, the BAD TACKLING is my main concern, it looked soooo much better this weekend.

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I've narrowed it down to (in no particular order):

1. LaVar
2. Dan Snyder
3. Osama Bin Laden
4. Not Me (that's for all you Family Circus fans out there)

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[quote=hooskins;251562]Apparently you havent been keeping up with Springs quotes. There is no chance it is him.[/quote]

uh, what have you been reading? he basically recited every quote made to TF word for word in his unscripted, unguided responses. he denies it, but do you expect anyone to come out and say "I did it, so you guys can go ahead and stop talking to me and cut me right now." ? No one's going to do that.

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[quote=TAFKAS;251596]I've narrowed it down to (in no particular order):

1. LaVar
2. Dan Snyder
3. Osama Bin Laden
4. Not Me (that's for all you Family Circus fans out there)[/quote]

I think offiss should be added to the list

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I think it was Archuletta.

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In Springs post game interview, he said:

1) It was not me, b/c that is not how I was raised. My Dad was a pro player and he would kill me if he found out I was talking anonymously behind the coaches back. I was taught that you don't air the laundry.

2) If it [I]had[/I] been me, you [the press] would have known it and I hope you recognize that I am man enough to be stand up about things like this.

3) There was a lot of what was said in the article that was true. Yes - Williams is arrogant, so is he. He prefers Williams to be arrogant.

Springs was clearly offended that anyone would think it was him. He said he didn't care who made the statements and jokingly thanked Friend for writing it b/c it brought the team together.

If you saw Springs postgame interview, you would know it was not him.

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[quote=TAFKAS;251495]
Off topic again, did anyone else see how small Arch looked standing next to Taylor on the sideline yesterday?[/quote]

I saw that too and thought the same thing. AA looked like some one's kid on the sideline. It's hard to believe that guy was such a monster in the Pac-10.

The article gets an A+ IMO. This has definitely rallied the troops. I think its BS when everyone wants to hang a whistle blower at first and then after some time has passed everyone talks about how courageous that person is.

Lastly, this has to be Springs. It sounds so much like him. I love the guy and how he speaks his mind (remember his quotes before the first Giants game about LaVar). Of course he's going to deny it, all the simple minded F---s out there would never forgive him.

The stuff about being a player who wants out and is close to the end of his contract is from Dexter Manley if I'm correct. Not to be too judgemental about him, but I don't think he's what I would call a reliable source.

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[QUOTE=JoeRedskin;251621]In Springs post game interview, he said:

1) It was not me, b/c that is not how I was raised. My Dad was a pro player and he would kill me if he found out I was talking anonymously behind the coaches back. I was taught that you don't air the laundry.

2) If it [I]had[/I] been me, you [the press] would have known it and I hope you recognize that I am man enough to be stand up about things like this.

3) There was a lot of what was said in the article that was true. Yes - Williams is arrogant, so is he. He prefers Williams to be arrogant.

Springs was clearly offended that anyone would think it was him. He said he didn't care who made the statements and jokingly thanked Friend for writing it b/c it brought the team together.

If you saw Springs postgame interview, you would know it was not him.[/QUOTE]

He also said he only has to practice two days a week and gets paid good money so why should he complain.

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Honestly, I have no idea who said it. I know for sure now (after his comments) it wasent Springs.

I can gaurantee it wasent Sean Taylor for one reason and one reason only...he refuses to speak to the media.

I read that it was someone in the secondary, who was a starter, so I guess maybe Rogers is the guy? I dont really know. It seems like someone who's beent here a while made those quotes. At this point, if it rallys the troops, I dont really care.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;251621]In Springs post game interview, he said:

1) It was not me, b/c that is not how I was raised. My Dad was a pro player and he would kill me if he found out I was talking anonymously behind the coaches back. I was taught that you don't air the laundry.

2) If it [I]had[/I] been me, you [the press] would have known it and I hope you recognize that I am man enough to be stand up about things like this.

3) There was a lot of what was said in the article that was true. Yes - Williams is arrogant, so is he. He prefers Williams to be arrogant.

Springs was clearly offended that anyone would think it was him. He said he didn't care who made the statements and jokingly thanked Friend for writing it b/c it brought the team together.

If you saw Springs postgame interview, you would know it was not him.[/quote]

Good points, and I would also go to add a number four that I heard on Triple X radio. Actually I guess it would be a number 5, to go along with what TAF just said.

He said something on the lines of "Anyone can be a T.O. in this league, but atleast put your name when you say something like this".

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[quote=Gmanc711;251652]Honestly, I have no idea who said it. I know for sure now (after his comments) it wasent Springs.

I can gaurantee it wasent Sean Taylor for one reason and one reason only...he refuses to speak to the media.

I read that it was someone in the secondary, who was a starter, so I guess maybe Rogers is the guy? I dont really know. It seems like someone who's beent here a while made those quotes. At this point, if it rallys the troops, I dont really care.[/quote]
I really hope it wasn't Rogers. He has tons of other stuff to worry about(like let's say catching a freaking potential INT), instead of going out of his way to call out the coach.

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you expect someone to come out and admit it, when it guarantees no one's going to talk to you again?

notice how he knew the quotes in that article word for word? but i guess no one here's ever denied doing something wrong... ever. ;)

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[quote=Gmanc711;251652]Honestly, I have no idea who said it. I know for sure now (after his comments) it wasent Springs.

I can gaurantee it wasent Sean Taylor for one reason and one reason only...he refuses to speak to the media.

I read that it was someone in the secondary, who was a starter, so I guess maybe Rogers is the guy? I dont really know. It seems like someone who's beent here a while made those quotes. At this point, if it rallys the troops, I dont really care.[/quote]

rogers wasn't here long enough to cover the complete timespan, neither was AA, or clark, or harris, or wright. Prioleau isn't a starter. that leaves taylor or springs, and from the sound of the quotes and taylor's anti-social nature towards the media, i doubt it's him.

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[quote=That Guy;251663]you expect someone to come out and admit it, when it guarantees no one's going to talk to you again?

notice how he knew the quotes in that article word for word? but i guess no one here's ever denied doing something wrong... ever. ;)[/quote]

lol yeah I guess it [I]could[/I] be him, but after all he has passionately said you actually think he lied all that time??? I highly doubt it, it would be very unproffesional and not something I would expect out of a vet, especially not Springs.

Dont get me wrong, I most definately thought it was Springs, prior to all his quotes.

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CB? How about Darrell Green? Dexter Manley probably forgot that #28 isn't playing any longer and said that was a current player out of habit.

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[QUOTE=That Guy;251663]you expect someone to come out and admit it, when it guarantees no one's going to talk to you again?

notice how he knew the quotes in that article word for word? but i guess no one here's ever denied doing something wrong... ever. ;)[/QUOTE]

I didn't notice he quoted the article word for word. Maybe he's just a speed reader with a photographic memory

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I saw Springs' post game comments. He sounds like he's innocent, but he's as slick as snake sh-t. The man is a smooth operator who loves to speak his mind.

Rogers and Taylor are too dense to describe the situation in the article in the fashion it was disclosed. It could be AA especially do to the detail pertaining to his desires to go to Chicago and how he was promised he would be blitzing and playing in the box more.

I hope it was Springs and he should be given a medal for doing it.

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[QUOTE=PhxRedSkin251177][URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?id=2672668"]"Reeling Redskins awash in troubles"[/URL]


I'm not even half way through this. Do I have to read through the rest of this fucking bullshit?

I have a friend whose family is very close with Greg Williams.

This article is garbage....

Hail US
44[/QUOTE]

Well as long as you're basing your reasoning on something solid like who your friend knows...