Re: Archuleta traded to Bears for 6th round pick
 

[QUOTE=#56fanatic;289768]you know I am glad to get his contract off the books after next season, but I dont understand why every one is so RA RA? It just speaks volumes in the ways of this front office. It has been very, very questionable the last 4 years. we go on and on all the time about this. We let a former 1st round pick, who we made the highest paid safety in league history, go for a 6th round pick? How bad is that. yeah yeah, preach all you want about how we dont have to pay him, but we do still have to pay him 4+ million in dead cap space. we lead the league in that every single year. GW has to be held accountable for this crap. Bailey gone, smoot gone(back now) pierce gone, clark gone, Arrington gone, mis steps with Arch, Barrow, Wright, Rumph. who is letting this guy pick these players. Everyone in the league knew Arch was not going to fit here, but GW did. Carter has yet to earn the 10mil signing bonus 30+million contract. he played well in 3, 4 games? He may turn out to be ok, but come on. its just another move and big contract that hasn't worked out. there has to be some kind of change soon if this organization is going to put up another big silver trophy at Redskin park.[/QUOTE]I will give you Clark but I would have goen with Chris Hope not Arch in last year free agent pool! Pierce is the big one here and should have never let him get away! As for Barrow a total miss just as Arrington was for the Giants so that is a wash. Arrington when he left the Skins had nothing left in the tank! For Carter to pay off we will need another big time DE like when we had C.Mann and D.Manley! I just wish we could draft Anderson and get Ian Scott at DT in free agency. But we have little in draft picks and cap room!

Re: Archuleta traded to Bears for 6th round pick
 

[quote=skinsfan69;289702]Just cause the guy is a workout freak doesn't mean he can play football. I work out all the time but I can't cover Jason Witten. And apparently neither can AA.[/quote]

I know that, but that was was one of the main "selling points" and we all bought into it.

Re: Archuleta traded to Bears for 6th round pick
 

[QUOTE=Buster;289780]I know that, but that was was one of the main "selling points" and we all bought into it.[/QUOTE] It's all about speed and Arch is slow...very slow!

Re: Archuleta traded to Bears for 6th round pick
 

[quote=BeastsoftheNFCeast;289753]Where does it say that the bears picked up AA's 5 million guaranteed money? I would love that and would think that this is the move of the year if the Bears actually did that.

Also, is your name john daly, if so, that is sooooo cool.


Edit-sorry for the double post, i just pressed back instead of edit when i tried to edit.[/quote]

Yes, John Daly, like the golfer!

Re: Archuleta traded to Bears for 6th round pick
 

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;289775]I don't think Arch was ever "ours" really. And secondly, do you really still feel that way after the moves we've made these past few months?[/QUOTE]

I agree that AA was never "ours" but he was brought in here becuase of some of the other D players that were "ours" were sent packing and since he was from somewhere else he's worth signing.

I think so even more.

Re: Archuleta traded to Bears for 6th round pick
 

[QUOTE=Buster;289780]I know that, but that was was one of the main "selling points" and we all bought into it.[/QUOTE]

I believe the saying goes "looks like Tarzan plays like Jane".

Re: Archuleta traded to Bears for 6th round pick
 

[QUOTE=irish;289824]I agree that AA was never "ours" but he was brought in here becuase of some of the other D players that were "ours" were sent packing and since he was from somewhere else he's worth signing.

I think so even more.[/QUOTE]

You think so even more even after all the re-signings?

Re: Archuleta traded to Bears for 6th round pick
 

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;289832]You think so even more even after all the re-signings?[/QUOTE]

Yes. Take Smoot for example, he's basically let go to Minn by the skins because someone else can come in and do the job. Turns out he really is needed here so they turn around and bring him back.

Re: Arch traded
 

[QUOTE=Gmanc711;289452]6th is about what we should have expected for him.....


Worst FA Blunder maybe ever for the Washington Redskins, just a stupid ass signing with Sean Taylor already here. I honestly think Archuletta will be a impact player next season now that he's in Chicago.[/QUOTE]


It's going to be interesting to see how AA does in Chicago. He wasn't good enough to play here, but obvioisly Lovie Smith welcomes him. One man's trash is another man's treasure.

Re: Archuleta traded to Bears for 6th round pick
 

I would've given D'Bears a 6th rounder to take AA too! Oh, I get it...........
Wow, did we make out with this deal!

Re: Archuleta traded to Bears for 6th round pick
 

[quote=SmootSmack;289775]I don't think Arch was ever "ours" really. And secondly, do you really still feel that way after the moves we've made these past few months?[/quote]

Arch was "ours" when we gave more money the NFL has ever seen given to a safety. You certainly dont give a guy that kind of money and say he may or may not work out.

Re: Archuleta traded to Bears for 6th round pick
 

[QUOTE=irish;289844]Yes. Take Smoot for example, he's basically let go to Minn by the skins because someone else can come in and do the job. Turns out he really is needed here so they turn around and bring him back.[/QUOTE]

Ok I guess. But what about re-signing Jansen last year? Then Betts, Sellers, Yoder, Wade, Fox, Jimoh?

Re: Archuleta traded to Bears for 6th round pick
 

[quote=RedskinPete;289779]I will give you Clark but I would have goen with Chris Hope not Arch in last year free agent pool! Pierce is the big one here and should have never let him get away! As for Barrow a total miss just as Arrington was for the Giants so that is a wash. Arrington when he left the Skins had nothing left in the tank! For Carter to pay off we will need another big time DE like when we had C.Mann and D.Manley! I just wish we could draft Anderson and get Ian Scott at DT in free agency. But we have little in draft picks and cap room![/quote]

I dont see how its a wash. We let someone go who is a probowler, replaced him with a guy that never saw the field, then replaced him with a guy who was / is out of position and now had to overpay for a 32 mlb. its not wash. LaVar didn't play middle. fact is we dont pay our own, but have no problems throwing millions at other teams players.

Re: Archuleta traded to Bears for 6th round pick
 

[QUOTE=#56fanatic;289861]I dont see how its a wash. We let someone go who is a probowler, replaced him with a guy that never saw the field, then replaced him with a guy who was / is out of position and now had to overpay for a 32 mlb. its not wash. LaVar didn't play middle. fact is we dont pay our own, but have no problems throwing millions at other teams players.[/QUOTE]

Who are you talking about?

Re: Archuleta traded to Bears for 6th round pick
 

[quote=SmootSmack;289863]Who are you talking about?[/quote]


Pierce. we let him go, tried to replace him with a washed up Barrow, pulled Marshall out of position, then overpaid for Fletcher. We could have wrapped up one of our own players (pierce) for less than what it is costing us with Fletcher. Now we have a probowl LB playing against us twice a year. A very good thinking, intense, tackling machine.

Re: Archuleta traded to Bears for 6th round pick
 

Considering the insane contracts being dealt out this offseason I think Fletcher was a very fair deal... certainly a better deal than what the Dolphins gave Porter.

Re: Archuleta traded to Bears for 6th round pick
 

[QUOTE=#56fanatic;289865]Pierce. we let him go, tried to replace him with a washed up Barrow, pulled Marshall out of position, then overpaid for Fletcher. We could have wrapped up one of our own players (pierce) for less than what it is costing us with Fletcher. Now we have a probowl LB playing against us twice a year. A very good thinking, intense, tackling machine.[/QUOTE]

You have every right to complain, but if you're going to then you should get your facts straight. Michael Barrow got injured and Antonio Pierce stepped in admirably in his role earning him a well-deserved contract. We did not replace Pierce with Barrow. We "replaced" Pierce with Marshall who, while Pierce was stepping in for Barrow, was stepping in quite well for Arrington when he got hurt.

Re: Archuleta traded to Bears for 6th round pick
 

pwnage by SS

Re: Archuleta traded to Bears for 6th round pick
 

[quote=SmootSmack;289874]You have every right to complain, but if you're going to then you should get your facts straight. Michael Barrow got injured and Antonio Pierce stepped in admirably in his role earning him a well-deserved contract. We did not replace Pierce with Barrow. We "replaced" Pierce with Marshall who, while Pierce was stepping in for Barrow, was stepping in quite well for Arrington when he got hurt.[/quote]

OK. thought barrow was brought in to replace Pierce. my mistake.

Re: Archuleta traded to Bears for 6th round pick
 

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;289874]You have every right to complain, but if you're going to then you should get your facts straight. Michael Barrow got injured and Antonio Pierce stepped in admirably in his role earning him a well-deserved contract. We did not replace Pierce with Barrow. We "replaced" Pierce with Marshall who, while Pierce was stepping in for Barrow, was stepping in quite well for Arrington when he got hurt.[/QUOTE]

Throw Barrow (another bad choice) out of the equation if you want to. I think the general premise is that we could have stayed with Pierce at middle linebacker without having to pay a 5-year, $25 million dollar contract to a 32 year old guy [I]this[/I] year.

I know many are tired of hearing about it, but letting Pierce go was just another spoke in a very large wheel of bad personnel moves by this franchise. Fletcher could turn out to be a big help for us, and for the record, I was in support of his signing. Still, I don't know how anyone could rationally argue that we're better off cap-wise, and youth-wise with Fletcher than we would have with Pierce.

Re: Archuleta traded to Bears for 6th round pick
 

[QUOTE=Beemnseven;289891]Throw Barrow (another bad choice) out of the equation if you want to. I think the general premise is that we could have stayed with Pierce at middle linebacker without having to pay a 5-year, $25 million dollar contract to a 32 year old guy [I]this[/I] year.

I know many are tired of hearing about it, but letting Pierce go was just another spoke in a very large wheel of bad personnel moves by this franchise. Fletcher could turn out to be a big help for us, and for the record, I was in support of his signing. Still, I don't know how anyone could rationally argue that we're better off cap-wise, and youth-wise with Fletcher than we would have with Pierce.[/QUOTE]

Fletcher is Barrow four years ago. Hopefully the result won't be the same

Re: Archuleta traded to Bears for 6th round pick
 

Why is it that so many people think a player who didn't work out was a bad choice?

Is it possible for a player who didn't work to have been a good decision that simply went totally and uncontrollably awry? Barrow was a complete workhorse in NY. Didn't miss games and was a Pro Bowler. Just because he got a crazy ass knee injury that basically ended his career doesn't mean it was a bad choice to me. It means we had bad luck. I don't see how anyone thinks the Barrow move was a bad one.

Re: Archuleta traded to Bears for 6th round pick
 

[QUOTE=FRPLG;289899]Why is it that so many people think a player who didn't work out was a bad choice?

Is it possible for a player who didn't work to have been a good decision that simply went totally and uncontrollably awry? Barrow was a complete workhorse in NY. Didn't miss games and was a Pro Bowler. Just because he got a crazy ass knee injury that basically ended his career doesn't mean it was a bad choice to me. It means we had bad luck. I don't see how anyone thinks the Barrow move was a bad one.[/QUOTE]

That's a great post

Re: Archuleta traded to Bears for 6th round pick
 

[QUOTE=FRPLG;289899]Why is it that so many people think a player who didn't work out was a bad choice?

Is it possible for a player who didn't work to have been a good decision that simply went totally and uncontrollably awry? Barrow was a complete workhorse in NY. Didn't miss games and was a Pro Bowler. Just because he got a crazy ass knee injury that basically ended his career doesn't mean it was a bad choice to me. It means we had bad luck. I don't see how anyone thinks the Barrow move was a bad one.[/QUOTE]

But wasn't there talk in NY of a knee problem with Barrow? I could be wrong, but I do remember hearing something about an injury issue with him somehow.

As for your theory about a good signing that just didn't work out, right or wrong, good luck or bad luck, you have to look at the results. Sure, there are plain ol' hard luck cases every team can point to. One that sticks out was Yatil Green -- wide reciever out of U. of Miami. The Dolphins drafted him in the first round. Year one, he tears his ACL -- out for the season. Year two, he blows out the [I]other[/I] ACL. I don't think he lasted another season in the league. That's exhibit A in hard luck cases.

Bottom line, you either have hits or misses. Barrow was a miss. Does the front office deserve ridicule for an injury-plagued guy? Maybe not. But teams like the Patriots suffer big-time injuries and don't seem to miss a beat. And right or wrong, they are judged by the players they bring in and how they contribute. The problem is that the Redskins have way too many other misses that go along with Barrow. And ultimately, it contributes to their overall perception around the league as bumbling buffoons.

Re: Archuleta traded to Bears for 6th round pick
 

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;289664]If we trade down and Landry is one of several picks, sure I have no problem with that. But I believe if we hold at #6 and take Landry over a D-lineman...well then, we might as well just draft Ted Ginn at #6 and make him our safety[/QUOTE]

I don't know why you take a player like Ginn with the 6th pick? Or try to move a lightweight like him to safety???????????

See your problem is like many you seem to be stuck on the fact that you have to draft a lineman because of need regardless if he has NFL ability to be a big difference maker.

So I guess we draft Adams and field 2 undersized D-lineman who will get man handled at the line of scrimmage, instead of just Carter being thrown around by TE's. Funny here we are addressing a pass rusher again this year, but correct me if I am wrong wasn't this addressed last off season? And there you have it signing or drafting players out of need rather than actual ability can become very repetitive, and expensive. In other words we may winde up with an average NFL lineman who's production wouldn't be much different than most other NFL lineman, rather than a real stud to pair with Taylor. And yes we should be able to trade down a bit recoupe some picks or pick and still get him.

And correct me if I am wrong again at last glance we do have a big need at safety, enough so that last season we handed out the biggest contract ever for a safety to pair with Taylor, now that AA is gone and we are back to square one I am to believe that the safety position is no longer that important?

And if we are able to trade down and get both Landry and a #2 that should allow us to either make a move or sit tight and grab either Moss, Blalock, or Grubbs, filling 2 needs instead of 1. Give that scenerio every time!

Re: Archuleta traded to Bears for 6th round pick
 

[QUOTE=Beemnseven;289909]But wasn't there talk in NY of a knee problem with Barrow? I could be wrong, but I do remember hearing something about an injury issue with him somehow.

As for your theory about a good signing that just didn't work out, right or wrong, good luck or bad luck, you have to look at the results. Sure, there are plain ol' hard luck cases every team can point to. One that sticks out was Yatil Green -- wide reciever out of U. of Miami. The Dolphins drafted him in the first round. Year one, he tears his ACL -- out for the season. Year two, he blows out the [I]other[/I] ACL. I don't think he lasted another season in the league. That's exhibit A in hard luck cases.

Bottom line, you either have hits or misses. Barrow was a miss. Does the front office deserve ridicule for an injury-plagued guy? Maybe not. But teams like the Patriots suffer big-time injuries and don't seem to miss a beat. And right or wrong, they are judged by the players they bring in and how they contribute. The problem is that the Redskins have way too many other misses that go along with Barrow. And ultimately, it contributes to their overall perception around the league as bumbling buffoons.[/QUOTE]

What's interesting is we don't get any "praise" for how the defense didn't miss a beat when Barrow went down and was replaced by an unknown in Antonio Pierce.

Re: Archuleta traded to Bears for 6th round pick
 

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;289921]What's interesting is we don't get any "praise" for how the defense didn't miss a beat when Barrow went down and was replaced by an unknown in Antonio Pierce.[/QUOTE]

Well, it wouldn't be fair to praise this front office for spotting the talent in Antonio Pierce -- credit goes to Marty Schottenheimer for that.

We were ranked #3 overall defensively in 2004. I remember hearing plenty of praise for the coaching and the performance of the players that year, and deservedly so.

Re: Archuleta traded to Bears for 6th round pick
 

[QUOTE=#56fanatic;289861]I dont see how its a wash. We let someone go who is a probowler, replaced him with a guy that never saw the field, then replaced him with a guy who was / is out of position and now had to overpay for a 32 mlb. its not wash. LaVar didn't play middle. fact is we dont pay our own, but have no problems throwing millions at other teams players.[/QUOTE] Money it wasn't a wash but Arrington going we got money back! So I guess it was a wash after all because when he left he WAS WASHED UP !!!!

Re: Archuleta traded to Bears for 6th round pick
 

[QUOTE=Beemnseven;289928]Well, it wouldn't be fair to praise this front office for spotting the talent in Antonio Pierce -- credit goes to Marty Schottenheimer for that.

We were ranked #3 overall defensively in 2004. I remember hearing plenty of praise for the coaching and the performance of the players that year, and deservedly so.[/QUOTE] Who ever spotted Pierce needs to take a hard look at our draft picks in april if he is not around now!!!

Re: Archuleta traded to Bears for 6th round pick
 

[quote=Beemnseven;289928]Well, it wouldn't be fair to praise this front office for spotting the talent in Antonio Pierce -- credit goes to Marty Schottenheimer for that.

.[/quote]

True that Marty gets the credit for finding him but GW gets the credit for his developement.

Re: Arch traded
 

[quote=Gmanc711;289452]6th is about what we should have expected for him.....


Worst FA Blunder maybe ever for the Washington Redskins, just a stupid ass signing with Sean Taylor already here. [B]I honestly think Archuletta will be a impact player next season now that he's in Chicago.[/B][/quote]

How will he all of a sudden become an impact player when he never has been? I think he'll go there and play the run more than the pass thats for sure. He can't cover. Last time I checked you don't trade impact players for 6th round draft picks.

Re: Archuleta traded to Bears for 6th round pick
 

[QUOTE=Dirtbag359;290008]True that Marty gets the credit for finding him but GW gets the credit for his developement.[/QUOTE]


Not to nitpick, but Pierce was taken in the 2001 season, and was in the league 3 seasons before GW got to him.

Re: Arch traded
 

[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;290010]How will he all of a sudden become an impact player when he never has been? I think he'll go there and play the run more than the pass thats for sure. He can't cover. Last time I checked you don't trade impact players for 6th round draft picks.[/quote]
i agree. while i dont think A.A. was as bad a player as he showed( or didnt show) last season, he was exposed to the point that when he is now on the field, teams are going to go after him in the pass game and MAKE him cover someone

Re: Archuleta traded to Bears for 6th round pick
 

[quote=Gmanc711;289464]Seriously! You guys think we could have gotten a THIRD!?!? The writing was on the wall that despite what Gibbs says, Arch was gone. Why would they part ways with a 3rd if he was probaboly just gonna get axed anyways.[/quote]We gave up pur 3rd for T.J. Duckett...