Re: KENDALL to the Redskins (confirmed)
 

Let's keep in mind guys there is still the possibitily of us getting the pick back in exchange for either Collins or Brunell. So hold on to your hats ladies and gents, and it aint over till the phat lady sings!

Re: KENDALL to the Redskins (confirmed)
 

[quote=Beemnseven;343316]I'm with you on the point of not getting ourselves into this position in the first place. How many 2nd and 3rd round picks have we pissed away over the past few years which could have helped with the transition of replacing guys like Dockery or Jon Jansen?

Still, we're usually dumping 1st, 2nd and 3rd round picks for guys like this. I'm not too bummed out about giving up a 5th rounder here. I can live with that sort of trend.[/quote]


Yeah, I think people that are shaking their head about this manuever aren't doing so based on the trade itself, but rather how we got to this point. I know lots of people on here don't want to look back in time, and want to live in the moment. The problem with that is, if the Skins don't learn from their history, they are destined to repeat it. The Skins have a horrible history of pissing away draft picks, not sigining their own homegrown talent, and paying too much for free agents. If the front office drafts some lineman OR signs Dockery early on to an extension rather than waiting to the last minute to enter the bidding, then we wouldn't be put into a position where whe HAVE to make a move to acquire a LG. The same thing is happening to Cooley, they haven't gotten a deal done, so Cooley could very well hit the open market. If that happens, Cooley is gone. Then we're talking about trading a 4th or a 3rd for a TE next year.

Re: KENDALL to the Redskins (confirmed)
 

[QUOTE=12thMan;343454]Let's keep in mind guys there is still the possibitily of us getting the pick back in exchange for either Collins or Brunell. So hold on to your hats ladies and gents, and it aint over till the phat lady sings![/QUOTE]

Err...I have serious doubts whether someone is actually going to give us anything higher than a 6th for Brunell and no one is going to give us squat for Collins.

Re: KENDALL to the Redskins (confirmed)
 

[QUOTE=Schneed10;343437]Pro Bowl caliber compensation??

Honestly, where do people get this crap? So let me get this straight, because Steve McNair and Trent Green were dealt for 5th round picks, suddenly the going rate for a pro-bowl player in this league is a 5th round pick?

Age has more to do with it than anything. Steve McNair and Trent Green are AT BEST average QBs in this league right now, with one foot out the door towards retirement. Pete Kendall is an average guard in this league, with one foot out the door towards retirement. They're worth the same in terms of draft picks because Kendall takes up a lot less cap space than McNair and Green do.

Yeah I'd rather have a solid LG in camp back in July, but we didn't. This is making the best of a tough situation.[/QUOTE]

I got it from this mornings Post. If he plays 80% of the plays it becomes a 4th round pick and I am sure he will play 80%.

I agree this is making the best of a bad situation but the skins should not be in this situation. This is what happens when you give away draft picks over time. Unfortunately the Skins just cant learn their lesson and now they appear caught in a cycle of not having players (they drafted) in place when needed so they have to resort to signing old players and giving away the future in the form of draft picks.

Re: KENDALL to the Redskins (confirmed)
 

[quote=Schneed10;343437]Pro Bowl caliber compensation??

Honestly, where do people get this crap? So let me get this straight, because Steve McNair and Trent Green were dealt for 5th round picks, suddenly the going rate for a pro-bowl player in this league is a 5th round pick?

Age has more to do with it than anything. Steve McNair and Trent Green are AT BEST average QBs in this league right now, with one foot out the door towards retirement. Pete Kendall is an average guard in this league, with one foot out the door towards retirement. They're worth the same in terms of draft picks because Kendall takes up a lot less cap space than McNair and Green do.

Yeah I'd rather have a solid LG in camp back in July, but we didn't. This is making the best of a tough situation.[/quote]

They are not worth the same in terms of draft picks. A starting QB even of "average" ability, goes for more than a starting LG of average ability. The Skins just got caught by the short and curlys and HAD to pay this much.

Re: KENDALL to the Redskins (confirmed)
 

[quote=paulskinsfan;343457]Yeah, I think people that are shaking their head about this manuever aren't doing so based on the trade itself, but rather how we got to this point. I know lots of people on here don't want to look back in time, and want to live in the moment. The problem with that is, if the Skins don't learn from their history, they are destined to repeat it. The Skins have a horrible history of pissing away draft picks, not sigining their own homegrown talent, and paying too much for free agents. If the front office drafts some lineman OR signs Dockery early on to an extension rather than waiting to the last minute to enter the bidding, then we wouldn't be put into a position where whe HAVE to make a move to acquire a LG. The same thing is happening to Cooley, they haven't gotten a deal done, so Cooley could very well hit the open market. If that happens, Cooley is gone. Then we're talking about trading a 4th or a 3rd for a TE next year.[/quote]

It's completely understandable to look at past moves and wish we weren't in this situation now, but the fact is the past cannot be changed and the present is what it is. Worrying about the past doesn't win us any games this season.

Ultimately, this move will be graded on what happens on the field.

Re: KENDALL to the Redskins (confirmed)
 

My main problem with the people who are woulda, coulda, shouldaing, is that I don't remember hearing anybody, ANYBODY crowing about how LG was going to be a problem back in March when we let Dock go and decided to shift Wade.

The reason for that? Shifting Wade to LG seemed like a perfectly reasonable solution at the time, he's a great athlete. I didn't hear anybody warning us that LG would be a major problem; the only hesitation people expressed was regarding Wade's height and not getting leverage on short-yardage plays.

The Skins didn't just ignore LG. They had a reasonable plan, it was Wade. They even had a plan B which many of you (including La Canfora) seem to be forgetting: WILL WHITTICKER. He was mauling in camp before he tore his ACL. The coaches loved the kid. Are you going to fault the Skins for lack of foresight because the ace up their sleeve got hurt?

Seems like a bunch of hindsight is 20/20 crap to me.

Re: KENDALL to the Redskins (confirmed)
 

[quote=Schneed10;343475]My main problem with the people who are woulda, coulda, shouldaing, is that I don't remember hearing anybody, ANYBODY crowing about how LG was going to be a problem back in March when we let Dock go and decided to shift Wade.

The reason for that? Shifting Wade to LG seemed like a perfectly reasonable solution at the time, he's a great athlete. I didn't hear anybody warning us that LG would be a major problem; the only hesitation people expressed was regarding Wade's height and not getting leverage on short-yardage plays.

The Skins didn't just ignore LG. They had a reasonable plan, it was Wade. They even had a plan B which many of you (including La Canfora) seem to be forgetting: WILL WHITTICKER. He was mauling in camp before he tore his ACL. The coaches loved the kid. Are you going to fault the Skins for lack of foresight because the ace up their sleeve got hurt?

Seems like a bunch of hindsight is 20/20 crap to me.[/quote]

It's a no win situation with some people. If they don't pick up Kendall, those same people would be bitching during the season that they should have made a move.

Re: KENDALL to the Redskins (confirmed)
 

I know very little about this Kendall fella, but what I know is that he is pretty solid. Which is what we need. The only way I would opose this move is if we had a young guy who wasn't going to get reps because of this.

Re: KENDALL to the Redskins (confirmed)
 

[quote=Mattyk72;343476]It's a no win situation with some people. If they don't pick up Kendall, those same people would be bitching during the season that they should have made a move.[/quote]


To be clear, I don't think anyone is bitching about the move to pick up Kendall, it HAD to be done. I think the reservations some of us have is what steps led to the decision that it had to be done. Kendall is solid, I don't doubt that, what is in doubt is the decisions leading up to this point. I hope Kendall has a great year, I think after a month or so he'll be up to speed, but Im never happy about burning up a draft pick for 1 or 2 years of service from an aging vet if it could have been prevented in the offseason.

Re: KENDALL to the Redskins (confirmed)
 

[QUOTE=Mattyk72;343469]It's completely understandable to look at past moves and wish we weren't in this situation now, but the fact is the past cannot be changed and the present is what it is. Worrying about the past doesn't win us any games this season.

Ultimately, this move will be graded on what happens on the field.[/QUOTE]

I think thats the problem, the skins can never look back to learn a lesson or look ahead to head off any potential problems. The skins cant seem to see beyond today so they end up always seem to end up chasing their tails.

I think this move will work out ok but I dont see championship teams often needing to patch their O line 3 weeks into preseason.

Re: KENDALL to the Redskins (confirmed)
 

[quote=paulskinsfan;343492]To be clear, I don't think anyone is bitching about the move to pick up Kendall, it HAD to be done. I think the reservations some of us have is what steps led to the decision that it had to be done. Kendall is solid, I don't doubt that, what is in doubt is the decisions leading up to this point. I hope Kendall has a great year, I think after a month or so he'll be up to speed, but Im never happy about burning up a draft pick for 1 or 2 years of service from an aging vet if it could have been prevented in the offseason.[/quote]

I understand nobody is really bitching about the move, it's pretty obvious that the vast majority is in favor of the move. I understand the events leading up to this aren't the most desirable, but again there's nothing that can be done to correct the past.

The Skins have to play the hand that's on the table right now. I think most agree this was a move that had to be made, so rather than dwelling on why or how we got here I'm just happy that the move got done. We're much better off today because of it and that's all I really care about.

Re: KENDALL to the Redskins (confirmed)
 

[quote=Mattyk72;343469]It's completely understandable to look at past moves and wish we weren't in this situation now, but the fact is the past cannot be changed and the present is what it is. Worrying about the past doesn't win us any games this season.

Ultimately, this move will be graded on what happens on the field.[/quote]

Some people will never be satisfied. Saying "It should never have come to this" is making the perfect the enemy of the good. Let's look at the deal for Kendall for what it is and acknowledge that the team made the best of a bad situation. They took a chance that Wade could transition and they missed. I don't think it was an unreasonable risk. Guard is an easier position than Tackle, others have successfully made the switch, etc. If Bugel thought it could be done, you have to rely on that judgement. At least they aren't trying to go forward with Wade in an attempt to prove a point. They have seen their error and attempted to correct it.

But Matty is right, in the end you either win games or you lose games and that is the judge and jury on all these moves. I think that if you are a supporter of the team or claim to be, you should at least wait and see some regular season games before you make a final judgement, but that's my view.

Re: KENDALL to the Redskins (confirmed)
 

[quote=70Chip;343504]Some people will never be satisfied. Saying "It should never have come to this" is making the perfect the enemy of the good. Let's look at the deal for Kendall for what it is and acknowledge that the team made the best of a bad situation. They took a chance that Wade could transition and they missed. I don't think it was an unreasonable risk. Guard is an easier position than Tackle, others have successfully made the switch, etc. If Bugel thought it could be done, you have to rely on that judgement. At least they aren't trying to go forward with Wade in an attempt to prove a point. They have seen their error and attempted to correct it.

But Matty is right, in the end you either win games or you lose games and that is the judge and jury on all these moves. I think that if you are a supporter of the team or claim to be, you should at least wait and see some regular season games before you make a final judgement, but that's my view.[/quote]

Yeah seriously, I mean what was the flipside of this, should the Skins have just stubbornly pushed forward and not made a move for fear of acknowledging that things weren't working out as is?

Part of learning from your mistakes involves correcting those mistakes... if you can. And lucky enough for them this was something that could be corrected before it got any worse.

Re: KENDALL to the Redskins (confirmed)
 

We need Kendal. Todd Wade is not a gaurd, and never will be a guard. This was a solid and neccessary pick-up in my opinion.

Re: KENDALL to the Redskins (confirmed)
 

[quote=irish;343500]I think thats the problem, the skins can never look back to learn a lesson or look ahead to head off any potential problems. [B]The skins cant seem to see beyond today so they end up always seem to end up chasing their tails.[/B]

I think this move will work out ok but I dont see championship teams often needing to patch their O line 3 weeks into preseason.[/quote]

So I guess they should have looked into their crystal ball and known that Will Whitticker was going to go down for the season and Wade was going to get banged up and have trouble adjusting?

Why won't anybody address my point on Whitticker? Does he not count as foresight on the part of the coaching staff? He was mauling in camp, per JLC's blog. He WAS the answer.

But I guess we should expect the team to go three deep with studs at every position.

:rolleyes:

Re: KENDALL to the Redskins (confirmed)
 

[quote=Schneed10;343513]So I guess they should have looked into their crystal ball and known that Will Whitticker was going to go down for the season and Wade was going to get banged up and have trouble adjusting?

Why won't anybody address my point on Whitticker? Does he not count as foresight on the part of the coaching staff? He was mauling in camp, per JLC's blog. He WAS the answer.

But I guess we should expect the team to go three deep with studs at every position.

:rolleyes:[/quote]

Well stated. They are trying everything they can to put the best team on the field. Last year, they sat back and told themselves that everything would some how work out and they paid for it. This year they are leaving no stone unturned in an attempt to get the best 53 players ready to go. It would be wonderful if they were stacked with young talent at every position and no one ever got hurt and mommys and daddys never got divorced and it never rained on the weekend and shit tasted like eskimo pies but unfortunately we have to live in the real world.

Re: KENDALL to the Redskins (confirmed)
 

Yeah, Whitticker really could have been the ace in the hole here. It's really unfortunate that he got hurt.

Re: KENDALL to the Redskins (confirmed)
 

[QUOTE=Schneed10;343513]So I guess they should have looked into their crystal ball and known that Will Whitticker was going to go down for the season and Wade was going to get banged up and have trouble adjusting?

Why won't anybody address my point on Whitticker? Does he not count as foresight on the part of the coaching staff? He was mauling in camp, per JLC's blog. He WAS the answer.

But I guess we should expect the team to go three deep with studs at every position.

:rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

Teams have guys go down all the time, championship teams have guys ready to step in (not studs but solid backups) the skins however always seems to need to scramble when someone gets hurt.

As corny as it sounds, yes, they should have been able to look into a crystal ball, or tarot cards, or whatever, and run scenarios about what would happen if certain players at various positions got hurt. It appears they never figured WW would get hurt and the team would be stuck short at the position. They have had since Jan to do this but again they are not prepared.

I guess my point is the Skins continue to give away draft picks for old players at positions they should have already drafetd and been developing players for.

Re: KENDALL to the Redskins (confirmed)
 

[quote=irish;343524]Teams have guys go down all the time, championship teams have guys ready to step in (not studs but solid backups) the skins however always seems to need to scramble when someone gets hurt.

As corny as it sounds, yes, they should have been able to look into a crystal ball, or tarot cards, or whatever, and run scenarios about what would happen if certain players at various positions got hurt. It appears they never figured WW would get hurt and the team would be stuck short at the position. They have had since Jan to do this but again they are not prepared.

I guess my point is the Skins continue to give away draft picks for old players at positions they should have already drafetd and been developing players for.[/quote]

You're unrealistic. There simply aren't enough quality players in the league, or enough room under the salary cap, for the team to have THREE LEGIT OPTIONS at LG.

They had Wade, a talented career-starter at T, who could make the switch. They had Whitticker, a huge body in the mold of Dockery, 340-350 pounds. And you want them to have a 3rd G option either with Wade's athleticism or Whitticker's size?

That's unrealistic. I think Gibbs and Bugel looked at it from all angles, but the salary cap doesn't allow you to stack 3 great players up at every position. In the end, they're the victims of some rough luck with Whitticker's injury.

Re: KENDALL to the Redskins (confirmed)
 

[quote=Schneed10;343530]You're unrealistic. There simply aren't enough quality players in the league, or enough room under the salary cap, for the team to have THREE LEGIT OPTIONS at LG.

They had Wade, a talented career-starter at T, who could make the switch. They had Whitticker, a huge body in the mold of Dockery, 340-350 pounds. And you want them to have a 3rd G option either with Wade's athleticism or Whitticker's size?

That's unrealistic. I think Gibbs and Bugel looked at it from all angles, but the salary cap doesn't allow you to stack 3 great players up at every position. In the end, they're the victims of some rough luck with Whitticker's injury.[/quote]

LOL seriously.

I guarantee that if the Patriots were down to their 3rd option at LG, they would be hurting too.

Re: KENDALL to the Redskins (confirmed)
 

[quote=Schneed10;343530]You're unrealistic. There simply aren't enough quality players in the league, or enough room under the salary cap, for the team to have THREE LEGIT OPTIONS at LG.

They had Wade, a talented career-starter at T, who could make the switch. They had Whitticker, a huge body in the mold of Dockery, 340-350 pounds. And you want them to have a 3rd G option either with Wade's athleticism or Whitticker's size?

That's unrealistic. I think Gibbs and Bugel looked at it from all angles, but the salary cap doesn't allow you to stack 3 great players up at every position. In the end, they're the victims of some rough luck with Whitticker's injury.[/quote]


Its not unrealistic when you are asking a career tackle in Wade to totally change positions and he struggles very very early on. What he's saying is that if the front office would have used a 4-5 rounder on a decent o-lineman sometime over the past 4 years, then we would be in a better position. Wade struggled from the get go, and to say "he could make the switch" just because he was a big guy who played tackle, that was unrealistic. Saying we ever had 3 legit LGs, that seems way, way off.

Re: KENDALL to the Redskins (confirmed)
 

[quote=paulskinsfan;343540]Its not unrealistic when you are asking a career tackle in Wade to totally change positions and he struggles very very early on. What he's saying is that if the front office would have used a 4-5 rounder on a decent o-lineman sometime over the past 4 years, then we would be in a better position. Wade struggled from the get go, and to say "he could make the switch" just because he was a big guy who played tackle, that was unrealistic.[/quote]

In hindsight it's unrealistic. It seemed reasonable at the time. You wouldn't substitute your judgement about offensive line for Gibbs' or Bugel's would you? Everybody's a genius after the fact.

Re: KENDALL to the Redskins (confirmed)
 

[quote=paulskinsfan;343540]Its not unrealistic when you are asking a career tackle in Wade to totally change positions and he struggles very very early on. What he's saying is that if the front office would have used a 4-5 rounder on a decent o-lineman sometime over the past 4 years, then we would be in a better position. Wade struggled from the get go, and to say "he could make the switch" just because he was a big guy who played tackle, that was unrealistic. Saying we ever had 3 legit LGs, that seems way, way off.[/quote]

Why did we need to draft a G with a 4th or 5th rounder when we found a guy with Whitticker's size & talent without having to spend a draft pick?

I can see the point on Wade, but it's not like he was the only option.

Re: KENDALL to the Redskins (confirmed)
 

Besides, what guarantee do you have that said 4th or 5th rounder would fare any better than Todd Wade?

Re: KENDALL to the Redskins (confirmed)
 

[quote=Schneed10;343547]Why did we need to draft a G with a 4th or 5th rounder when we found a guy with Whitticker's size & talent without having to spend a draft pick?

I can see the point on Wade, but it's not like he was the only option.[/quote]


What did Whitticker ever show besides practice? Taylor Jacobs tore it up in practice too. Whitticker must not have been that awesome if he couldn't stick with the Packers, I mean he may have shown something in practice but to say he was a legitimate LG in this league is a stretch.

Re: KENDALL to the Redskins (confirmed)
 

I mean, looking back Gibbs and Company had plans to replace Dockery with Whitticker, who I'll give you by reports tore it up in practice but couldn't stick with the lowly Packers, and Wade, a guy who was changing positions. So to say all was well at LG until Whitticker went down isn't exactly accurate.

Re: KENDALL to the Redskins (confirmed)
 

Wade is huge and athletic, if Bugel said he could turn him into a guard then I'll have to go with Bugel. Whitticker doesn't get hurt and we get to see what he could do in games, but right now all we have to go by is practice reports.

I love these 13 pages by the way, great toilet reading!

Re: KENDALL to the Redskins (confirmed)
 

Anyone know what becomes of Whittiker?
I know he's cut and has a high ankle sprain...I think those are 6 week injuries.
Any chance of the skins picking him back up week 3 or so?
Or are we set at guard?

What are your thoughts?

Re: KENDALL to the Redskins (confirmed)
 

I was surprised they cut Whitticker, could they have put him on the IR or do you think they were hoping to pick him up later?

Re: KENDALL to the Redskins (confirmed)
 

I don't think we can judge this move until we see Kendall on the field. If he comes out and contributes, I bet most of us here will forget about what we gave up for him.

Re: KENDALL to the Redskins (confirmed)
 

[QUOTE=paulskinsfan;343552]What did Whitticker ever show besides practice? Taylor Jacobs tore it up in practice too. Whitticker must not have been that awesome if he couldn't stick with the Packers, I mean he may have shown something in practice but to say he was a legitimate LG in this league is a stretch.[/QUOTE]

Whit went from 7th round pick to all-rookie starting guard in 2005. But injuries plus a change in philosophy at Green Bay (more zone blocking) forced him out the door in 2006.

He may not be a stud, but he's shown he can play in this league

Re: KENDALL to the Redskins (confirmed)
 

[quote=SmootSmack;343586]Whit went from 7th round pick to all-rookie starting guard in 2005. But injuries plus a change in philosophy at Green Bay (more zone blocking) forced him out the door in 2006.

He may not be a stud, but he's shown he can play in this league[/quote]

Oh I agree, he did start for the Pack along with another rookie Guard, and Brett Farve was running for his life. I shouldn't say that really, I just remember their line being bad, but I can't remember how many sacks, etc.

Re: KENDALL to the Redskins (confirmed)
 

[quote=paulskinsfan;343540]Its not unrealistic when you are asking a career tackle in Wade to totally change positions and he struggles very very early on. What he's saying is that if the front office would have used a 4-5 rounder on a decent o-lineman sometime over the past 4 years, then we would be in a better position. Wade struggled from the get go, and to say "he could make the switch" just because he was a big guy who played tackle, that was unrealistic. Saying we ever had 3 legit LGs, that seems way, way off.[/quote]


Take a look at the skins drafts in the last 4 years...
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[B][FONT=Arial]2007[/FONT][/B]
[B][FONT=Arial]1. LaRon Landry SAF [/FONT][/B][B][FONT=Arial]Louisiana[/FONT][/B][B][FONT=Arial] State [/FONT][/B]
[B][FONT=Arial]5. [/FONT][/B][B][FONT=Arial]Dallas[/FONT][/B][B][FONT=Arial] Sartz LB USC [/FONT][/B]
[B][FONT=Arial]6. H.B. Blades LB [/FONT][/B][B][FONT=Arial]Pittsburgh[/FONT][/B][B][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/B]
[B][FONT=Arial]6. Jordan Palmer QB Texas-El Paso [/FONT][/B]
[B][FONT=Arial]7. Tyler Ecker TE [/FONT][/B][B][FONT=Arial]Michigan[/FONT][/B][B][FONT=Arial][/FONT][/B]
[B][FONT=Arial][/FONT][/B]
[B][FONT=Arial]2006[/FONT][/B]
[B][FONT=Arial]2. Roger McIntosh, OLB, [/FONT][/B][B][FONT=Arial]Miami[/FONT][/B][B][FONT=Arial] - 35th overall [/FONT][/B]
[B][FONT=Arial]5. Anthony Montgomery, DT, [/FONT][/B][B][FONT=Arial]Minnesota[/FONT][/B][B][FONT=Arial] - 153rd overall[/FONT][/B]
[B][FONT=Arial]6. Reed Doughty, S, [/FONT][/B][B][FONT=Arial]North Colorado[/FONT][/B][B][FONT=Arial] - 173rd overall[/FONT][/B]
[B][FONT=Arial]6. Kedric Golston, DT, [/FONT][/B][B][FONT=Arial]Georgia[/FONT][/B][B][FONT=Arial] - 196th overall[/FONT][/B]
[B][FONT=Arial]7. Kili Lefotu, OG, [/FONT][/B][B][FONT=Arial]Arizona[/FONT][/B][B][FONT=Arial] - 230th overall[/FONT][/B]
[B][FONT=Arial]7. Kevin Simon, ILB, [/FONT][/B][B][FONT=Arial]Tennessee[/FONT][/B][B][FONT=Arial] - 250th overall[/FONT][/B]
[B][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/B]
[B][FONT=Arial][/FONT][/B]
[B][FONT=Arial]2005[/FONT][/B]
[B][FONT=Arial]1. Carlos Rogers, CB, [/FONT][/B][B][FONT=Arial]Auburn[/FONT][/B][B][FONT=Arial] (9th overall)[/FONT][/B]
[B][FONT=Arial]1. Jason Campbell, QB, [/FONT][/B][B][FONT=Arial]Auburn[/FONT][/B][B][FONT=Arial] (25th overall)[/FONT][/B]
[B][FONT=Arial]4. Manuel White, FB, UCLA (120th overall)[/FONT][/B]
[B][FONT=Arial]5. Robert McCune, ILB, [/FONT][/B][B][FONT=Arial]Louisville[/FONT][/B][B][FONT=Arial] (154th overall)[/FONT][/B]
[B][FONT=Arial]6. Jared Newberry, OLB, Stanford (183rd overall)[/FONT][/B]
[B][FONT=Arial]7. Nehemiah Broughton, FB, The Citadel (222nd overall)[/FONT][/B]
[B][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/B]
[B][FONT=Arial][/FONT][/B]
[B][FONT=Arial]2004[/FONT][/B]
[B][FONT=Arial]1. Sean Taylor, S, [/FONT][/B][B][FONT=Arial]Miami[/FONT][/B][B][FONT=Arial] - 5th overall[/FONT][/B]
[B][FONT=Arial]3. Chris Cooley, TE, [/FONT][/B][B][FONT=Arial]Utah[/FONT][/B][B][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/B][B][FONT=Arial]State[/FONT][/B][B][FONT=Arial] - 81st overall[/FONT][/B]
[B][FONT=Arial]5. Mark Wilson, OT, [/FONT][/B][B][FONT=Arial]California[/FONT][/B][B][FONT=Arial] - 151st overall[/FONT][/B]
[B][FONT=Arial]6. Jim Molinaro, OT, Notre Dame - 180th overall[/FONT][/B]

[B][FONT=Arial][B][FONT=Arial][/FONT][/B][/FONT][/B]
[FONT=Arial][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]They have taken a chance on some late round Offensive linemen they just didn't pan out. As you can all see the odds of a late round pick making a major impact or even making the team is the exception not the norm. Please stop complaining about a 4th/5th round pick. Pete Kendall is a good Guard who will help this team for the next few years. Manual White will never help this team.[/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT]

Re: KENDALL to the Redskins (confirmed)
 

[quote=DGreene28;343599]Take a look at the skins drafts in the last 4 years...

[B][FONT=Arial]2007[/FONT][/B]
[B][FONT=Arial]1. LaRon Landry SAF [/FONT][/B][B][FONT=Arial]Louisiana[/FONT][/B][B][FONT=Arial] State [/FONT][/B]
[B][FONT=Arial]5. [/FONT][/B][B][FONT=Arial]Dallas[/FONT][/B][B][FONT=Arial] Sartz LB USC [/FONT][/B]
[B][FONT=Arial]6. H.B. Blades LB [/FONT][/B][B][FONT=Arial]Pittsburgh[/FONT][/B]
[B][FONT=Arial]6. Jordan Palmer QB Texas-El Paso [/FONT][/B]
[B][FONT=Arial]7. Tyler Ecker TE [/FONT][/B][B][FONT=Arial]Michigan[/FONT][/B]

[B][FONT=Arial]2006[/FONT][/B]
[B][FONT=Arial]2. Roger McIntosh, OLB, [/FONT][/B][B][FONT=Arial]Miami[/FONT][/B][B][FONT=Arial] - 35th overall [/FONT][/B]
[B][FONT=Arial]5. Anthony Montgomery, DT, [/FONT][/B][B][FONT=Arial]Minnesota[/FONT][/B][B][FONT=Arial] - 153rd overall[/FONT][/B]
[B][FONT=Arial]6. Reed Doughty, S, [/FONT][/B][B][FONT=Arial]North Colorado[/FONT][/B][B][FONT=Arial] - 173rd overall[/FONT][/B]
[B][FONT=Arial]6. Kedric Golston, DT, [/FONT][/B][B][FONT=Arial]Georgia[/FONT][/B][B][FONT=Arial] - 196th overall[/FONT][/B]
[B][FONT=Arial]7. Kili Lefotu, OG, [/FONT][/B][B][FONT=Arial]Arizona[/FONT][/B][B][FONT=Arial] - 230th overall[/FONT][/B]
[B][FONT=Arial]7. Kevin Simon, ILB, [/FONT][/B][B][FONT=Arial]Tennessee[/FONT][/B][B][FONT=Arial] - 250th overall[/FONT][/B]


[B][FONT=Arial]2005[/FONT][/B]
[B][FONT=Arial]1. Carlos Rogers, CB, [/FONT][/B][B][FONT=Arial]Auburn[/FONT][/B][B][FONT=Arial] (9th overall)[/FONT][/B]
[B][FONT=Arial]1. Jason Campbell, QB, [/FONT][/B][B][FONT=Arial]Auburn[/FONT][/B][B][FONT=Arial] (25th overall)[/FONT][/B]
[B][FONT=Arial]4. Manuel White, FB, UCLA (120th overall)[/FONT][/B]
[B][FONT=Arial]5. Robert McCune, ILB, [/FONT][/B][B][FONT=Arial]Louisville[/FONT][/B][B][FONT=Arial] (154th overall)[/FONT][/B]
[B][FONT=Arial]6. Jared Newberry, OLB, Stanford (183rd overall)[/FONT][/B]
[B][FONT=Arial]7. Nehemiah Broughton, FB, The Citadel (222nd overall)[/FONT][/B]


[B][FONT=Arial]2004[/FONT][/B]
[B][FONT=Arial]1. Sean Taylor, S, [/FONT][/B][B][FONT=Arial]Miami[/FONT][/B][B][FONT=Arial] - 5th overall[/FONT][/B]
[B][FONT=Arial]3. Chris Cooley, TE, [/FONT][/B][B][FONT=Arial]Utah[/FONT][/B][B][FONT=Arial]State[/FONT][/B][B][FONT=Arial] - 81st overall[/FONT][/B]
[B][FONT=Arial]5. Mark Wilson, OT, [/FONT][/B][B][FONT=Arial]California[/FONT][/B][B][FONT=Arial] - 151st overall[/FONT][/B]
[B][FONT=Arial]6. Jim Molinaro, OT, Notre Dame - 180th overall[/FONT][/B]


[FONT=Arial][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]They have taken a chance on some late round Offensive linemen they just didn't pan out. As you can all see the odds of a late round pick making a major impact or even making the team is the exception not the norm. Please stop complaining about a 4th/5th round pick. Pete Kendall is a good Guard who will help this team for the next few years. Manual White will never help this team.[/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT][/quote]

And they tried to bring Wilson and Molinaro along. It just didn't pan out. I think people are overstating our O-lines problems. Good depth doesn't mean you have 10 Pro-Bowlers. Good depth means you can lose one or two guys and still function reasonably well. I think when the regular season comes and they unleash the full running game with traps and tosses and delays and all the things they haven't run yet, we will find that the offensive line is a strength of this team. Kendall is just the last peice of the puzzle. Mark my words...

Re: KENDALL to the Redskins (confirmed)
 

It just comes down to the fact that some people aren't going to be happy with what the Redskins do. Even if they win the Super Bowl, that will probably also be debated and questioned as well.

But may I ask, how many front office NFL teams have any of us worked for? If some of us are geniuses at this, why aren't we employed in one of these front offices? Stop complaining and just watch the freakin' football games.

Re: KENDALL to the Redskins (confirmed)
 

[quote=skinsguy;343634]It just comes down to the fact that some people aren't going to be happy with what the Redskins do. Even if they win the Super Bowl, that will probably also be debated and questioned as well.

But may I ask, how many front office NFL teams have any of us worked for? If some of us are geniuses at this, why aren't we employed in one of these front offices? Stop complaining and just watch the freakin' football games.[/quote]


I was waiting for this argument. We don't know anything, none of us are employed in the NFL, therefore we cannot question anything that goes on in the NFL, including, but certainly not limited to scouting, draft picks, and free agency. Brilliant. Under this argument you don't vote for President because you haven't been President before and therefore you don't have a clue, so you cannot bitch.

Re: KENDALL to the Redskins (confirmed)
 

I'm happy that when our team recognizes a need, they try to address it. it might not be with the right player, but the effort to win is always there

Re: KENDALL to the Redskins (confirmed)
 

[QUOTE=paulskinsfan;343637]I was waiting for this argument. We don't know anything, none of us are employed in the NFL, therefore we cannot question anything that goes on in the NFL, including, but certainly not limited to scouting, draft picks, and free agency. Brilliant. Under this argument you don't vote for President because you haven't been President before and therefore you don't have a clue, so you cannot bitch.[/QUOTE]

What a pointless analogy! There is a fine line between questioning moves and just complaining about stuff you cannot control because it's the "in" thing to do. I mean, I can complain about what the Redskins didn't do in 1993, but ya know, it's in the past. You don't still wear a mullet and acid washed jeans do you? j/k

Re: KENDALL to the Redskins (confirmed)
 

[QUOTE=skinsguy;343634]It just comes down to the fact that some people aren't going to be happy with what the Redskins do. Even if they win the Super Bowl, that will probably also be debated and questioned as well.

But may I ask, how many front office NFL teams have any of us worked for? If some of us are geniuses at this, why aren't we employed in one of these front offices? Stop complaining and just watch the freakin' football games.[/QUOTE]

Well I don't necessarily agree with the second paragraph. As for the first paragraph, I absolutely 100% agree. There's no question there are people on this site who don't know what the hell to do when the Redskins make a smart off the field move, or win on the field. I suppose it's easy to always expect gloom and doom, that way you're never really disappointed I suppose.