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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;370193]I'm well aware that the poverty line and minimum wage are 2 different things but in the grand scheme of things does it really matter? Point is you have people out there that can barely support themselves, even on $10 an hour. I think there are plenty of great workers out there making shit money, just as there are plenty of people out there who are shit workers making great money.[/QUOTE]

I disagree that there are plenty of great workers making shit money. If they are great, they are moved up. I suppose they have to start somewhere, so maybe if they are new to the company, then I can see your point. But hard workers are hard to come by, so when they are found, they are advanced.
I absolutely agree that there are shit workers making great money. I also agree that is difficult for some to support themselves on $10 an hour. That's why I moved from Boston to Carlsbad, NM. Boston costs too much to live and I knew I'd be in a constant battle to make enough money to live. Boston is one of the highest costs of living in the country, and I loved it there, but I made the decision to leave.
If you live in DC or Boston, and you make $10/hr, you're not going to make it. That's why you PLAN AHEAD! Leave the area, get a degree...whatever it takes to live comfortable for life. I have retirement plans, most my age don't cause they don't plan ahead...is this my problem...nope.
I also find it interesting that people will be making $7 an hour and keep plopping out babies. If you can't support yourself, learn how not to create more financial issues.

It all comes down to self responsibility. We can go around and around with other issues, but it all comes down to self responsibility.

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[quote=jsarno;370209]It all comes down to self responsibility. We can go around and around with other issues, but it all comes down to self responsibility.[/quote]

This I agree with 100%.

We seem to be going back and forth, but I think what's getting lost is that public welfare programs should take care of nothing more than a person's needs, that's it. If you're actually arguing that the government should provide people with anything more than shelter, water, food, heat, and healthcare, then for god's sakes go start your own communist country, because that's what you're advocating. If you can afford anything beyond those basic needs, then you don't need the help. The taxpayers should not be subsidizing your XBox, your plasma TV, or your new suit. Hardworking people earn their money; they should be able to satisfy their own desires, and their children's desires before giving the poor anything beyond what they NEED.

To bring the discussion back on topic, the debate really is about one thing: is healthcare a need, or a luxury? My personal feelings are varied on the matter. For kids, it's a need. You can't expect them to afford it, and denying them care because their parents can't afford it would be like denying them a shot to grow up and afford healthcare on their own. For adults, only emergency care is a need. If you're hit by a bus, you should be given care (as hospitals do) whether you have coverage or not. As for preventative, elective, terminal, psychiatric, rehabilitation, and pain management, I view all of these forms of treatment as luxuries, not needs. Therein lies the true debate - and it's virtually impossible to come to an agreement.

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[QUOTE=jsarno;370201]LOL...you obviously don't know what it takes to go to school at night and not live there. [/quote]

I obviously do since I've done so.


[QUOTE=jsarno;370201]save the money and go to cheaper college.
I have done it all man. I've lived at college (cost me $14k a semester), I've done night school (cost me 2k a semester), and I've done internet classes ($200 or so per class). You have preconceived notions of what college should be, and trust me, hundreds of thousands of older people are working full time and getting degrees at night.[/quote]

You know absolutely nothing about my area, so don't say, "save money and go to a cheaper college." I went to the closest college I could commute to. It wasn't me choosing the best, most expensive college. It was me choosing the closest one that offered a bachelors degree in my career of study. You are also assuming I know nothing about working and going to college at the same time. I have worked six and seven day weeks while being a full time student AND maintaining my spot on the Dean's list. Just because things were/are cheaper in your area doesn't mean this is so everywhere else.


[QUOTE=jsarno;370201]I don't know what expensive college you are going to, but when I went to Harding University (14k a semester) I bought all my used books at around $20-$65 a book max. Also, there are ways to buy it from college students for even cheaper. You have to be willing to look. One semester I bought all my books from a couple students and spent maybe $100. Rough.
So again, I ask, if someone took care of your tuition, you couldn't find a way to pay for books? Give me a break man.[/QUOTE]

Who are you to say I didn't do this? Because I had to pay more for my textbooks than you did doesn't mean I wasn't willing to look. Please don't get a self-righteous attitude that everybody else is lazy and unwilling to help themselves.

And anyway, all that wasn't even my point on college. My point is, free tuition programs are great if you can qualify, but tuition is just a part of the cost of college.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;370247]
To bring the discussion back on topic, the debate really is about one thing: is healthcare a need, or a luxury? My personal feelings are varied on the matter. For kids, it's a need. You can't expect them to afford it, and denying them care because their parents can't afford it would be like denying them a shot to grow up and afford healthcare on their own. For adults, only emergency care is a need. If you're hit by a bus, you should be given care (as hospitals do) whether you have coverage or not. As for preventative, elective, terminal, psychiatric, rehabilitation, and pain management, I view all of these forms of treatment as luxuries, not needs. Therein lies the true debate - and it's virtually impossible to come to an agreement.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I'd have a hard time believing that insulin shots for diabetics would be a luxury item.

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I called my buddy and asked him about that program, and he couldn't remember the name but said it was through the department of labor. He said his wife went and got her nursing degree...they paid for the college and paid around $150 a month too.
I'm going to call the DOL tomorrow to get the name of the program.

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FYI, I texted my friend that goes to NMSU (she does pay tuition) and I asked her how much she pays in non tuition per semester and she says $200 to $300 depending on the classes.
Sure it's not your area, but don't tell me it can't be done.

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Yeah I don't really get this whole debate over college costs, seems out of place in this thread. But fees, books, and related costs are nothing in the grand scheme. You're talking about a couple thousand dollars over the course of four years, compared to crazy tuition bills, that's squadoosh.

But whatever, stuff costs what it costs. If you thought it wasn't worth it, you wouldn't pay it.

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[quote=skinsguy;370278]Yeah, I'd have a hard time believing that insulin shots for diabetics would be a luxury item.[/quote]

You're right, I'd call that a "need" too. Healthcare is so complicated, there are a lot of grey areas that you can't cover with blanket statements like the one I made classifying certain things as needs and others as luxuries.

That complexity is actually one of the reasons that healthcare is so expensive these days. It takes a lot of brains just to sort through all this stuff, and those brains have to be paid.

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[QUOTE=jsarno;370290]Whatever dude...again I say, if your tuition is paid for don't you think you'd find a way to pay for the SMALL other costs????
You can argue all those other things all you want, but there is also online college like university of phoenix. You're acting as if going to college costs you a million dollars, but in fact, if you commute, and you have tuition paid for, there is no excuse not to go and the cost is easy to afford for anyone that has a job. That is not debatable for as much as you would like to debate it. Your main argument was room and board, but I have said a slew of times to commute and go at night. So even at your standards, 5 classes times $60 a book, that's $300...another $200 (rip off) for whatever you called it, and you're at $500. So you feel the need to spread the word that tuition isn't all of it, even though it's around 95%-97% or more of it?????? Yeah, good argument. Might as well tell everyone to keep doing what they are doing cause there is no hope. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

Where did I say my tuition was paid for? I certainly never said that. In fact, I'm still paying on it. Secondly, you're the one who said there were programs out there that paid for your college in full. And I'm simply stating that there are other fees that go along with funding college other than tuition. That isn't up for debate. That is fact.

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[QUOTE=jsarno;370296]FYI, I texted my friend that goes to NMSU (she does pay tuition) and I asked her how much she pays in non tuition per semester and she says $200 to $300 depending on the classes.
Sure it's not your area, but don't tell me it can't be done.[/QUOTE]

What is your point with college? What can't be done? What is NMSU? By the way, I paid my tuition...it wasn't free. Yeah, I bet you $200 to $300 per credit hour.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;370303]Yeah I don't really get this whole debate over college costs, seems out of place in this thread. But fees, books, and related costs are nothing in the grand scheme. You're talking about a couple thousand dollars over the course of four years, compared to crazy tuition bills, that's squadoosh.

But whatever, stuff costs what it costs. If you thought it wasn't worth it, you wouldn't pay it.[/QUOTE]

I don't know. Jsarno and Matty had gotten on the subject and I only wanted to add that there other costs with college other than tuition. Then suddenly my college was free??? I guess I should stop paying on student loans.

Anyways, back on the subject. Yeah, I agree wth you Schneed10, there are a lot of gray areas when it comes to what are needs in the health field and what are luxuries. I think we all can agree that plastic surgery is a luxury. My whole gripe with it all is that those who are born with health problems (like my ex with diabetes) seem to be penalized for being born unhealthy.

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[QUOTE=skinsguy;370314]What is your point with college? What can't be done? What is NMSU? By the way, I paid my tuition...it wasn't free. Yeah, I bet you $200 to $300 per credit hour.[/QUOTE]

This might help

[url]http://fa.nmsu.edu/forms/coa0607.pdf[/url]

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;370322]This might help

[url]http://fa.nmsu.edu/forms/coa0607.pdf[/url][/QUOTE]


Thanks SS. And it proved my point. Thanks for that.

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[QUOTE=skinsguy;370326]Thanks SS. And it proved my point. Thanks for that.[/QUOTE]

Please explain how that proved your point? I am not sure you know what the arguement is about here.

BTW- by your last comment, you obviously jumped into the argument not knowing the base.
We were talking about a program that paid for your tuition, all you needed to do was come up with whatever other expenses there were, which are minor.

ps- $889 for NEW books per year is damn cheap. Cut that in half for used books and you're looking at around $225 per semester.

So let's look at the figures SS supplied for us. (BTW NMSU is a branch here in Carlsbad)
$1162 - Tuition and fees
$4602 - Room and board
$889 - Books and supplies
$1980 - Personal expenses
$1500 - Transportation

Take away Tuition if you are on the program we were discussing, take away room and board because I already live here as does everyone that goes to NMSU in Carlsbad. Personal Expenses is for financial aid purposes, but that is why you work a full time job to pay for your own personal expenses. Transportation is taken care of by yourself as well. That leaves approx. $225 per semester (as I showed by cutting books in half by buying used). I'll even throw in a few more dollars and bring it to $500 per year.
If you can't afford $500 a year to go to college, there is nothing you can afford.
Nice link SS. Thanks.

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[QUOTE=skinsguy;370314]What is your point with college? What can't be done? What is NMSU? By the way, I paid my tuition...it wasn't free. Yeah, I bet you $200 to $300 per credit hour.[/QUOTE]

You quoted me at $200-$300 per NON TUITION..IE: Books. You didn't even realize what you were quoting. SS proved that she is correct with those figures. Unless I am not understanding you because you are betting me $200-$300 per credit hour or something. Not understanding what you're getting at.
Again...don't jump into an argument if you don't know what is going on.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;370303]But fees, books, and related costs are nothing in the grand scheme. You're talking about a couple thousand dollars over the course of four years, compared to crazy tuition bills, that's squadoosh.[/quote]

exactly!!

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[quote=jsarno;370350]Please explain how that proved your point? I am not sure you know what the arguement is about here.

BTW- by your last comment, you obviously jumped into the argument not knowing the base.
We were talking about a program that paid for your tuition, all you needed to do was come up with whatever other expenses there were, which are minor.

ps- $889 for NEW books per year is damn cheap. Cut that in half for used books and you're looking at around $225 per semester.

So let's look at the figures SS supplied for us. (BTW NMSU is a branch here in Carlsbad)
$1162 - Tuition and fees
$4602 - Room and board
[B] $889 - Books and supplies
$1980 - Personal expenses
$1500 - Transportation[/B]

Take away Tuition if you are on the program we were discussing, take away room and board because I already live here as does everyone that goes to NMSU in Carlsbad. Personal Expenses is for financial aid purposes, but that is why you work a full time job to pay for your own personal expenses. Transportation is taken care of by yourself as well. That leaves approx. $225 per semester (as I showed by cutting books in half by buying used). I'll even throw in a few more dollars and bring it to $500 per year.
If you can't afford $500 a year to go to college, there is nothing you can afford.
Nice link SS. Thanks.[/quote]

That's $4369/year in non-tuition expenses. That's not exactly chump change.

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This argument really is going no where...so I will leave it until I get that info on the program I was speaking of.
I'll try to post it here tomorrow night.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;370355]That's $4369/year in non-tuition expenses. That's not exactly chump change.[/QUOTE]

LOL...you obviously didn't read my post. Where is that transportation cost? That is for financial aid purposes...you don't pay that to the college...come on matty, use the noggin. If you want, I can supply you with the phone number and you can ask them to pick you up for that "transportation cost". LOL.
Same for personal expenses...do you write a check for "personal expenses" to the college, or do you pay for personal expenses cause they are just that...personal expenses????? That is alotted in the financial aid, not something is out of pocket up front.

You guys are too funny.

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[quote=jsarno;370360]LOL...you obviously didn't read my post. Where is that transportation cost? That is for financial aid purposes...you don't pay that to the college...come on matty, use the noggin.
Same for personal expenses...do you write a check for "personal expenses" to the college, or do you pay for personal expenses cause they are just that...personal expenses????? That is alotted in the financial aid, not something is out of pocket up front.

You guys are too funny.[/quote]

Wow you really are dense at times.

Let me lay it out for you. When I was going to school at night for my MBA, it required me to drive an extra 20 miles or so each day out of my way going back and forth to school. That's extra gas money and wear and tear on the car. Hence, I had a transportation expense.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;370363]Wow you really are dense at times.

Let me lay it out for you. When I was going to school at night for my MBA, it required me to drive an extra 20 miles or so each day out of my way going back and forth to school. That's extra gas money and wear and tear on the car. Hence, I had a transportation expense.[/QUOTE]

OK...whatever Matty. It is you that is dense arguing this my friend. :rolleyes:
ps- I live about 1 mile from NMSU, and anyone that lives in Carlsbad lives less than 10 miles from NMSU. If you can go to the movies, or out to eat, or out with your friends, why do you insist on calculating the miles?
So by using this in your argument, you are telling me that you would NEVER go out after work, you would go home ONLY...thus the transportation costs become relevant???? Doubt it.

How many times do I need to prove the point that other expenses are nothing if your tuition is paid for and you don't need to pay for room and board????? That's the whole point...nothing like splitting hairs huh matty?

pps- 20 miles out of your way with a vehicle that gets 20 MPG is about $2.79 now-a-days. If you go 2-3 times a week as most do that's $8.37 (at 3 times a week). You go for approx. 7 months out of the year, so that's $234.36. You wanna try another useless argument? :rolleyes:

So now the tally is approx $500 for book over the year and $250 for gas (although I am sure your car gets better than 20mpg.) So we're up to $750 for the year with tuition paid for...I guess people should sit on their ass cause it's too damn expensive. PFFFFF. The $750 divided by the 8 months of school or so you go means a cost of apprx $93.75 per month. OUCH.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;370363]When I was going to school at night for my MBA, it required me to drive an extra 20 miles [/QUOTE]

I did mine online, cost me $25 a month for internet service.

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It's right there in black and white, [B]$4369 in non tuition related expenses[/B].

Yes, if I'm driving 20 miles out of my way every day, hell yeah that's an expense, why is that so hard to understand??

LOL someone posts a source, you take what you want from it and disregard the rest. Really brilliant. :doh:

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[quote=jsarno;370378][B]I did mine online[/B], cost me $25 a month for internet service.[/quote]

That explains a lot.

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[QUOTE=jsarno;370378]I did mine online, cost me $25 a month for internet service.[/QUOTE]

You did your MBA online? Where?

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;370379]It's right there in black and white, $4369 in non tuition related expenses.

Yes, if I'm driving 20 miles out of my way every day, hell yeah that's an expense, why is that so hard to understand??

LOL someone posts a source, you take what you want from it and disregard the rest. Really brilliant. :doh:[/QUOTE]

I am done with you and this argument...you refuse to see what is truth. Like I said, it actually cost you around $250 in gas, yet they are getting $1500? From where, the magical college fairy...it's for FINANCIAL AID purposes ONLY. YOU DON'T ACTUALLY PAY THAT. Holy shit matty...I guess I was wrong to expect you to use your head. I guess every single person spends $889 on books too...no one will pay $890, or $888. Since matty says it's in there black and white, you are all skrewed and it MUST be EXACT.
Damn you're dense.
Like I said, I am done arguing with you...I'm better off arguing with the wall. You don't know what you're talking about, I live here, I do know what I'm talking about...but I guess you know better living in NY.
Good luck Matty.

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[quote=jsarno;370385]I am done with you and this argument...you refuse to see what is truth. Like I said, it actually cost you around $250 in gas, yet they are getting $1500? From where, the magical college fairy...it's for FINANCIAL AID purposes ONLY. YOU DON'T ACTUALLY PAY THAT. Holy shit matty...I guess I was wrong to expect you to use your head. I guess every single person spends $889 on books too...no one will pay $890, or $888. Since matty says it's in there black and white, you are all skrewed and it MUST be EXACT.
Damn you're dense.
Like I said, I am done arguing with you...I'm better off arguing with the wall. You don't know what you're talking about, I live here, I do know what I'm talking about...but I guess you know better living in NY.
Good luck Matty.[/quote]

These figures are estimated expenses for attending college. I'm not the one making them up. Obviously some people will have more expenses, some less, but I think generally these numbers are in the ball park. Again, I just think it's funny you'll use the numbers that benefit your argument, and totally disregard the numbers that go against your argument.

The basic point here is that there is more expenses involved with going to college than tuition only, wasn't that the original argument here? You seem to think all you need is tuition and book money and you're all set. Obviously that's not the case, otherwise why does that source estimate $4369 in other expenses??

What does my living in NY have anything to do with this? Now you're really losing me.

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[I]12) I can spend what money I have left after taxes on booze, cigarettes, junk food and anything else that could kill me, but I am not allowed by law to spend my money on getting an operation I need because that would be jumping the queue. I must wait my turn unless I am a hockey player or athlete, then I can get looked at right away. Go figure. Where else in the world can you spend money to kill yourself, but are not allowed to spend money to get healthy.[/I]

Sorry to break it to you but your friend is lying through his nicotene plated teeth. My family did business in Canada for over twenty years during which health care was a regular topic. Nobody in Canada is forced to use the government system, that's total bullshit. There's a private system and a public one. Lots of people use some form of private health insurance for family care, and let the government pay for major operations.

As a grad student I studied health care among all the industrialized nations.
1. We spend almost twice per capita as the OECD average
2. Infant mortality rate is higher here than in all other fully industrialized countries
3. Longevity among Americans is lower than average
4. Medical error and death due to medical error is literally off the charts in America compared w/ other industrialized nations.
5. Appx 22,000 Americans die every year because they are refused treatment for not carrying health insurance

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I attend college, its expensive. :(

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;370380]That explains a lot.[/QUOTE]

LOL!

Jsarno, just out of curiousity where is your degree from?

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[quote=firstdown;369133]First off can you post the law that states that an empolyer has to provide benefits to employees. No because there is no such law. The reason we have the problems is because the goverment cannot fix problems with money. They have tried and tried but money does not solve the problems. Not everyone is complaining about health care. The federal goverment needs to get out of education and give back the money to the states so the local comunities can run education. Homeless are homeless because they do not want to work. OK, most homeless are homeless by their own actions and a small % have had some bad luck. We allready provide breakfest and lunch to school children, we have food stamps, and local churches and organizations have food banks and food lines. If you are hungry in the US its your fault and/or your parents fault.[/quote]

They do not have to, but once a company provides it for one class of employee, then they must provide for all. With that being said, once That multibillionaire offered medical insurance to the company president or any other full time employee, he must provide it to all employees within that class. (Usually full time employees).

[URL="http://employee-benefits.lawyers.com/Employer-Workplace-Benefits-FAQs.html#one"]Employer: Workplace Benefits FAQs[/URL]

So, to say it correctly they are not required by Federal Law to provide benefits until they have provided for at least one class of person. Once they have done that then yes, they are bound by Federal Law. Sorry that I didn't break it down for you the first time.

As far as the homless issue goes, I want more money for prisons to put the homless in jail (not give them handouts). They can either become a contributing, working, member of society or rot in jail. Either way they are off of the streets. Money doesn't always have to go to a person, it can fund the cause in other ways as well. I refer to it as helping man with a little "tough love", otherwise known as motivation provided by negative reinforcement.

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[QUOTE=angryssg;370500]They do not have to, but once a company provides it for one class of employee, then they must provide for all. With that being said, once That multibillionaire offered medical insurance to the company president or any other full time employee, he must provide it to all employees within that class. (Usually full time employees).

[URL="http://employee-benefits.lawyers.com/Employer-Workplace-Benefits-FAQs.html#one"]Employer: Workplace Benefits FAQs[/URL]

So, to say it correctly they are not required by Federal Law to provide benefits until they have provided for at least one class of person. Once they have done that then yes, they are bound by Federal Law. Sorry that I didn't break it down for you the first time.

[B]As far as the homless issue goes, I want more money for prisons to put the homless in jail (not give them handouts). They can either become a contributing, working, member of society or rot in jail. Either way they are off of the streets. Money doesn't always have to go to a person, it can fund the cause in other ways as well. I refer to it as helping man with a little "tough love", otherwise known as motivation provided by negative reinforcement[/B].[/QUOTE]

This is a great document I studied in school. Have you heard of it?

[url=http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html]The United States Constitution - The U.S. Constitution Online - USConstitution.net[/url]

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[quote=Redskin;370479]I attend college, its expensive. :([/quote]
What? College... expensive?!?! I got about 6K in loans, 7K from the school, 4K from work, and the other 6K from family who i plan on paying back.

But after that i got hundreds of thousands for limo rides and making it rain pacman style at the bars.


Seriously though, i don't know why we are talking about college costs.

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[quote=SmootSmack;370384]You did your MBA online? Where?[/quote]

Good lord, SS! You can your [URL="http://www.mba-online-program.com/"]MBA online [/URL]from just about anywhere.

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[quote=MTRedskinsFan;370452][I]12) I can spend what money I have left after taxes on booze, cigarettes, junk food and anything else that could kill me, but I am not allowed by law to spend my money on getting an operation I need because that would be jumping the queue. I must wait my turn unless I am a hockey player or athlete, then I can get looked at right away. Go figure. Where else in the world can you spend money to kill yourself, but are not allowed to spend money to get healthy.[/I]

Sorry to break it to you but your friend is lying through his nicotene plated teeth. My family did business in Canada for over twenty years during which health care was a regular topic. Nobody in Canada is forced to use the government system, that's total bullshit. There's a private system and a public one. Lots of people use some form of private health insurance for family care, and let the government pay for major operations.

As a grad student I studied health care among all the industrialized nations.
1. We spend almost twice per capita as the OECD average
2. Infant mortality rate is higher here than in all other fully industrialized countries
3. Longevity among Americans is lower than average
4. Medical error and death due to medical error is literally off the charts in America compared w/ other industrialized nations.
5. Appx 22,000 Americans die every year because they are refused treatment for not carrying health insurance[/quote]

We already established that this email he posted was one of those cheesy email forwards and not from his actual friend.

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[quote=jsarno;370378]I did mine online, cost me $25 a month for internet service.[/quote]

I think it's good that you have your MBA, and I know that Temple's Fox School of Business and Villanova's Business School both offer classes online. But they don't allow you to go through the entire program by taking online classes, they require you to take some in person.

Those are just two reputable schools in my area. I don't know what some other [U]reputable[/U] MBA programs do. But I do know that if you get a degree from University of Phoenix or Strayer, or something like that, employers consider it to be not even worth the paper it's printed on.

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[quote=Schneed10;370522]I think it's good that you have your MBA, and I know that Temple's Fox School of Business and Villanova's Business School both offer classes online. But they don't allow you to go through the entire program by taking online classes, they require you to take some in person.

Those are just two reputable schools in my area. I don't know what some other [U]reputable[/U] MBA programs do. [B]But I do know that if you get a degree from University of Phoenix[/B] or Strayer, or something like that, employers consider it to be not even worth the paper it's printed on.[/quote]

Is their MBA program accredited? If not you're right, it's pretty much worthless. There are plenty of employers out there that won't touch someone with a non-accredited degree.

When I was thinking of going back to school I briefly entertained the idea of doing an online program, but in the end I don't think you can compete with the value of going to class and interacting with your peers and professors. I know that my program was very heavy on presentations and group work. Looking back now it was an invaluable experience for me.

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My mom taught a couple online courses at her college and basically said they were a joke. It's more about the University finding a way of increasing its revenue than it is about actually providing a quality educational product, at least according to her. I never took one so I can't speak from experience, although something about the whole idea of never meeting your professor always seemed a little off to me.

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[quote=Mattyk72;370577]Is their MBA program accredited? If not you're right, it's pretty much worthless. There are plenty of employers out there that won't touch someone with a non-accredited degree.

When I was thinking of going back to school I briefly entertained the idea of doing an online program, but in the end I don't think you can compete with the value of going to class and interacting with your peers and professors. I know that my program was very heavy on presentations and group work. Looking back now it was an invaluable experience for me.[/quote]

No, Phoenix is not accredited by the AACSB (see link below). If the school doesn't require applicants to take the GMAT, then it's not accredited by the AACSB.

Employers essentially disregard degrees from these schools, because they know that if the student had the GMAT score to go to an accredited program, they would have. Phoenix, Strayer, and programs of this nature end up with students who couldn't get into the legitimate, accredited programs.

[URL="http://www.aacsb.edu/General/InstLists.asp?lid=2"]Accredited Programs.[/URL]