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[quote=skinsfan69;370651]Because they are different from most teams. It doesn't come down to a character cause they are trying to score more points. That is what they are paid to do!!! They don't stop coaching until the game is over and I just don't have a problem with it. Indy does the same thing. They keep throwing when they are comfortably ahead. Those two teams never ever try and burn the clock out like we do. They are always trying to score more points.

It would be a character issue if NE was playing dirty like the old Raider teams did. I don't ever see NE's players getting flags thrown for personal fouls or unsportsmenlike conduct.[/quote]

Exactly. You know we talk a lot about playing until the whistle blows, but that's just lip service when your team is on the other side of the ball, isn't it? And this is this is why the Pats are head and shoulders above the rest this year, they have a "no mercy" attitude. Are they still pissed about the whole Spy Gate thing, you damn right they are. They are sending a message loud and clear, we're the best team in football cameras or no cameras.

But to your point, if they were playing dirty then I would have some issues with them, but they are just guilty of playing hard-nosed spirited football week in and week out.

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[quote=skinsfan69;370651]Because they are different from most teams. It doesn't come down to a character issue cause they are trying to score more points. That is what they are paid to do!!! They don't stop coaching until the game is over and I just don't have a problem with it. Indy does the same thing. They keep throwing when they are comfortably ahead. Those two teams never ever try and burn the clock out like we do. They are always trying to score more points.

It would be a character issue if NE was playing dirty like the old Raider teams did. I don't ever see NE's players getting flags thrown for personal fouls or unsportsmenlike conduct.[/quote]

I don't think you've watched the Colts very closely, because they definitely do not keep piling on when ahead.

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PFT's take on the game:

[url=http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=296835]SportingNews.com - Your expert source for NFL Football stats, scores, standings, blogs and fantasy news from NFL Football columnists[/url]

Last week in this space, I raised the question of whether opponents of the New England Patriots might be thinking that the team is running up the score -- and whether such opponents will be looking for payback for the full duration of Bill Belichick's tenure with the team.

This week, it's even harder to make the case that the Patriots didn't run up the score against the Washington Redskins and Hall of Fame coach Joe Gibbs. Apart from yet another fake-spike play late in the first half, the Patriots amazingly eschewed a field-goal attempt while leading 38-0 with 11 minutes to play and went for it on fourth-and-short from the Redskins' 7-yard line.

Let's get this straight: Belichick would have been uncomfortable with a lead of only 41 with 11 minutes to go? Please. The Redskins hadn't scored a point. Even if the Patriots had pulled 11 guys out of the stands to play defense the rest of the way, the gap would not have been closed.

And then, leading 52-7 with less than a minute to play, New England still had numerous starters on the field. That's simply inexcusable.

Belichick could be telling the rest of the NFL that if a big deal is going to be made out of the Patriots breaking a signal-stealing rule that many other teams routinely violate, then Belichick will stay fully within the rules -- and obliterate anyone who crosses his path.

The backlash is going to begin. As the buildup begins to the biggest regular-season game of the year -- and possibly ever -- the media will probe the question of whether Belichick is bullying the rest of the league.

Even though the Colts are 7-0, this New England team is so good that, next week at this time, folks might be debating the question of whether the Patriots ran up the score against the defending Super Bowl champs.

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You don't need to taunt. And I wasn't really serious about going for the knees--you don't need to deliberately try to end someone's career. But you do need to take the gloves off, talk some trash, and hit some people on defense. Take your personal fouls, but rattle them up. The great Bill Walsh did it (did you hear Gibbs tell that anecdote about what he did to Dexter Manley?) Ditka and Buddy Ryan did it. On offense, you need to either keep pounding it up the gut like Grimm, Riggo and the Hogs used to do, or go all out downfield.

You gotta be ruthless.

I love Gibbs, but I don't go for this tight-lipped, take the high road BS--at least, not against this team. The Pats are already motivated to kill everyone they see, and you're not going to hold them off by being polite. CP tried to get his teammates going by talking about being the most talented team in football, but it wasn't enough.

It's too late to change yesterday. But the skins could take it out on the Jets, Iggles, and especially Dallas. I'm still looking for some of that ATTITUDE that used to be there in the 70s and 80s. The skins really need some attitude guys like Gary Clark or Dexter Manley to juice em up and start killing people.

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And more:

[URL="http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm"]'SKINS, GIBBS HAVE WON BIG, BUT HAVE CALLED OFF THE DOGS[/URL]

It's a testament to the greatness of the New England Patriots that the dominant topic in the wake of their games is whether they left their starters on the field for too long while blowing out the competition.

Still, Patriot Nation is up in arms over the notion that anyone would dare to suggest that their team or its head coach needs a lesson or two in sportsmanship -- reflecting to a certain degree the attitude projected by said team and said coach.

Only a day after being flooded with e-mails from Colts fans accusing me of having a bias in favor of the Pats for criticizing Gregg Easterbrook's "Colts are good, Pats are evil" essay from last Tuesday, I'm now being flooded with e-mails from Pats fans accusing me of having a bias against them.

Sheesh.

My take on whether I think the Pats went too far on Sunday -- and, more importantly, why I think they're doing it -- is summed up at the top of the Ten-Pack posted at SportingNews.com. Check it out, and then come back for more.

Folks defending the Pats' 52-7 victory have been attempting to turn the tables on their most recent victims, pointing to a couple of past Joe Gibbs romps, in which the 'Skins scalped the opponents for more than 50 points. Specifically, the Redskins rattled the Rams, 51-7, during a 1983 playoff game, and they fricasseed the 49ers by the score of 52-17 little more than two years ago.

But there's a difference. A big difference. In both of those games, the 'Skins apparently called off the dogs well before the fourth quarter. For example, the Redskins led the Rams 38-7 at halftime in the 1983, and scored only six points in the third quarter on two field goals and seven in the fourth quarter on an interception return for a touchdown. In 2005, the Redskins didn't throw a single pass after the 3:30 mark in the third quarter, and Clinton Portis didn't get another carry.

On Sunday, the Pats led 38-0 with 11:02 to play in the game and converted a fourth-and-one from the D.C. seven en route to yet another touchdown pass from Tom Brady.

And that's the broader point here. It's not about scoring a lot of points early in the game. It's about when it's appropriate to pull back. For the 1983 Redskins, they apparently pulled back in the entire second half against the Rams. In 2005, the 'Skins coasted for more than a full quarter.

But the Patriots haven't eased up on offense until the final few -- and likely won't. On defense, starters will still on the field in the final minute on Sunday.

The criticism will only embolden Belichick, and it will make him even more determined to win every game by the biggest margin that he can muster. The only risk? Some crazy-ass defensive lineman eventually might decide he's had enough of it, deciding to gladly take the penalty, the fine, and the suspension for taking a free shot at the starting quarterback's knees.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;370585]See this is more loser talk. Why do you care if he cheats on his wife? Every single one of my friends has cheated on his wife at some point. Does that mean I'm not going to be friends with them cause they get a piece of ass on the side every once in a while? I don't care and what they do is really not my business.

The guy is paid to win games. Not to be friendly with the media, or be nice to camera men, or make all the fans happy. Let me ask you this. Would you rather have a coach who is an a-hole who wins? Or would you rather have a coach who is nice and is loved by the media but can't win? Personally, I would would rather have the a-hole who wins.

The Pats are a better team/organization than us. But we were also outcoached yesterday. By a mile. So perhaps some of the fans should worry about why we can't score points, rather than cry about why the other coach is a bad guy, or why they ran it up on us.[/QUOTE]

Your post just speaks volumes about you and the company you keep. No, if my friends were cheating on their wives I would NOT keep company with them. Acting like "getting a piece of ass" on the side is just commonplace and acceptable is a pretty sad state of affairs (no pun intended).

Anyone arguing that off-field actions have nothing to do with the game have their head in the sand. Character is inextricably linked to every facet of an individuals life, on the field and off. It's no surprise that a dishonest cheater in his personal life ends up being a dishonest cheater in his professional life.

What a sad commentary on our culture that winning a game is valued above all else, at the expense of integrity and character.

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[QUOTE=12thMan;370654]Exactly. You know we talk a lot about playing until the whistle blows, but that's just lip service when your team is on the other side of the ball, isn't it? And this is this is why the Pats are head and shoulders above the rest this year, "no mercy". Are they still pissed about the whole Spy Gate thing, you damn right they are. They are sending a message loud and clear, we're the best team in football cameras or no cameras.

But to your point, if they were playing dirty then I would have some issues with them, but they are just guilty of playing hard-nosed spirited football week in and week out.[/QUOTE]
But like I said before: there would have been no justification if brady had gotten injured because he was still in late in the 4th quarter even though it was a blow out. That, to me, makes it classless to keep him in there throwing on 4th down. If they put all their backups in and they continued to run on us at will I'd keep my mouth shut, but that wasn't the case until their last 2 possesions.

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[QUOTE=Redskin;370605]And thats why no one likes you or your garbage mentality[/QUOTE]

Thanks for clueing me in kid.

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[quote=Dlyne8r;370646]I did see that game. And I was pulling for Georgia. But, that too was yet another example of what I consider "classless." I live in Atlanta and even some Georgia fans were embarrassed by what Mark Richt did. Look, I am all for getting the team fired up and ready to play smash-mouth football. But there must be limits with sportsmanship always prevailing. Am I being contradictory in saying that the 'Skins should have "brought the house" on each and every play after the Pats were obviously running up the score and putting Brady on his ass? Maybe. But what the Pats did and Georgia did were two diametrically opposed situations. Georgia had just scored their [I][U]own[/U][/I] first TD. Florida had done [I][U]nothing[/U][/I] to warrant the entire Bulldog team to storm the field so early in the game. And finally, per my original post I never said anything about trying to deflect blame on our own team. The Redskins flat out stunk. There is plenty of blame to go around on our team. This thread was not started to discuss that issue, it is already being discussed on other threads.[/quote]

Did Mark Richt cross the line? Probably. But so what? He was playing mind games with Fla. and it worked. I bet all the Georgia fans would be more pissed if they had lost.

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Be honest with yourself -- if Belicheck were in Washington with the personnel he has in New England, doing in Washington what he's doing in New England, you'd be dancing in the streets. ... But I don't think anything will happen there until your owner, who is reliving his childhood, finally says goodbye to Coach Gibbs, just as Jones said goodbye to Landry. ... The fan base, understandably, has great affection for Gibbs, but in the end it's just nostalgia. ... What happened in Foxborough yesterday, in terms of how the Patriots played, is what happens in the modern NFL. ... Wake up and deal with.

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[quote=mheisig;370662]Your post just speaks volumes about you and the company you keep. No, if my friends were cheating on their wives I would NOT keep company with them. Acting like "getting a piece of ass" on the side is just commonplace and acceptable is a pretty sad state of affairs (no pun intended).

Anyone arguing that off-field actions have nothing to do with the game have their head in the sand. Character is inextricably linked to every facet of an individuals life, on the field and off. It's no surprise that a dishonest cheater in his personal life ends up being a dishonest cheater in his professional life.

What a sad commentary on our culture that winning a game is valued above all else, at the expense of integrity and character.[/quote]

Well stated.

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[QUOTE=mheisig;370662]Your post just speaks volumes about you and the company you keep. No, if my friends were cheating on their wives I would NOT keep company with them. Acting like "getting a piece of ass" on the side is just commonplace and acceptable is a pretty sad state of affairs (no pun intended).

Anyone arguing that off-field actions have nothing to do with the game have their head in the sand. Character is inextricably linked to every facet of an individuals life, on the field and off. It's no surprise that a dishonest cheater in his personal life ends up being a dishonest cheater in his professional life.

What a sad commentary on our culture that winning a game is valued above all else, at the expense of integrity and character.[/QUOTE]

What a bunch of holier than thou BS.

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[quote=carbofisk;370669]Be honest with yourself -- if Belicheck were in Washington with the personnel he has in New England, doing in Washington what he's doing in New England, you'd be dancing in the streets. ... But I don't think anything will happen there until your owner, who is reliving his childhood, finally says goodbye to Coach Gibbs, just as Jones said goodbye to Landry. ... The fan base, understandably, has great affection for Gibbs, but in the end it's just nostalgia. ... What happened in Foxborough yesterday, in terms of how the Patriots played, is what happens in the modern NFL. ... Wake up and deal with.[/quote]

Carbo, just to get an outside perspective...why do you think Gibbs needs to go?

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[QUOTE=irish;370671]What a bunch of holier than thou BS.[/QUOTE]

Excellent argument. The logic is just scintillating.

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[quote=mheisig;370662]Your post just speaks volumes about you and the company you keep. No, if my friends were cheating on their wives I would NOT keep company with them. Acting like "getting a piece of ass" on the side is just commonplace and acceptable is a pretty sad state of affairs (no pun intended).

Anyone arguing that off-field actions have nothing to do with the game have their head in the sand. Character is inextricably linked to every facet of an individuals life, on the field and off. It's no surprise that a dishonest cheater in his personal life ends up being a dishonest cheater in his professional life.

What a sad commentary on our culture that winning a game is valued above all else, at the expense of integrity and character.[/quote]

The company I keep?? All of these guys are very good people. They don't commit crimes and they are good fathers and outstanding citizens. They have just had some one night stands in Vegas. Is it right? No. Am I going to end friendships with people I have known for 15 years cause they had an affair? Hell no.

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[QUOTE=12thMan;370673]Carbo, just to get an outside perspective...why do you think Gibbs needs to go?[/QUOTE]

Please ignore this trolling douchebag.. Don't give him the common courtesy to even respond to his drivel..

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[quote=irish;370671]What a bunch of holier than thou BS.[/quote]

Thank you.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;370677]The company I keep?? All of these guys are very good people. They don't commit crimes and they are good fathers and outstanding citizens. They have just had some one night stands in Vegas. Is it right? No. Am I going to end friendships with people I have known for 15 years cause they had an affair? Hell no.[/QUOTE]

Dude, if they are cheating/have cheated on their wives, they are not good people, they're scumbags.. Good fathers and outstanding citizens don't cheat on someone they've pledged their lives to and risk it all for 39 seconds of pleasure.. If their character isn't solid enough to resist a one night stand in Vegas then it's time to take a long look in the mirror.. Sorry for the morality check.. Now back to football..

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;370677]The company I keep?? All of these guys are very good people. They don't commit crimes and they are good fathers and outstanding citizens. They have just had some one night stands in Vegas. Is it right? No. Am I going to end friendships with people I have known for 15 years cause they had an affair? Hell no.[/QUOTE]

I think your post pretty much speaks for itself - not much else to say.

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[quote=skinsfan69;370677]The company I keep?? All of these guys are very good people. They don't commit crimes and they are good fathers and outstanding citizens. They have just had some one night stands in Vegas. Is it right? No. Am I going to end friendships with people I have known for 15 years cause they had an affair? Hell no.[/quote]

Good fathers don't have one night stands in Vegas and they are not what the majority of society would consider "very good people".

Please dude. Just stop. Your moral compass is obviously way the F off course.

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I just wonder how smart Belicheck will look when someone knocks Tom Brady out for a few games because he is still on the field throwing the football up by 30+ points in the 4th quarter. Other then that I dont really have a problem with what happened yesterday. Get a problem with them scoring so much...stop em.

I just dont think it's very smart on Belicheck's part because he is IMO begging for someone to take Brady's head off and in reality end their Super Bowl asperations. Keep pissing your opposition off and eventually someone is going to take out the entire leagues frustration on your best player. Thats the kind of karma Belicheck is asking for. Coach Gibbs in the Skin's hey day in this respect was alot smarter then Mr Bill....alot classier too but that is a whole other conversation.

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[quote=skinsfan69;370682]Thank you.[/quote]

Huge surprise that you guys would agree. :doh:

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[quote=skinsfan69;370677]The company I keep?? All of these guys are very good people. They don't commit crimes and they are good fathers and outstanding citizens. They have just had some one night stands in Vegas. Is it right? No. Am I going to end friendships with people I have known for 15 years cause they had an affair? Hell no.[/quote]

How can you be good when you cheat on your wife who you have made a life long commitment to? You and your company are a match made in heaven.

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I am wondering what Godfrey said? I did not see or here it. can some one tell me please?
thanks

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[QUOTE=Paintrain;370686]Dude, if they are cheating/have cheated on their wives, they are not good people, they're scumbags.. Good fathers and outstanding citizens don't cheat on someone they've pledged their lives to and risk it all for 39 seconds of pleasure.. If their character isn't solid enough to resist a one night stand in Vegas then it's time to take a long look in the mirror.. Sorry for the morality check.. Now back to football..[/QUOTE]

Couldn't have said it better myself. Anyone who doesn't get this point probably won't ever get it. It's like arguing with a brick wall.

It's no surprise that these two are the ones sticking up for Belichick.

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[quote=#56fanatic;370692]I am wondering what Godfrey said? I did not see or here it. can some one tell me please?
thanks[/quote]

[url=http://www.nbcsports.com/portal/site/nbcsports/menuitem.6f806e473b4cb158fb00ec22493c2d04/?vgnextoid=03f04e2dff8e5110VgnVCM10000075c1d240RCRD&vgnextchannel=6f33d5e59df02110VgnVCM100000dc032c03RCRD&vgnextfmt=default]Belichick gets under Godfrey's skin - NFL - NBCSports.com[/url]

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[quote=TrustinGibbs;370689]I just wonder how smart Belicheck will look when someone knocks Tom Brady out for a few games because he is still on the field throwing the football up by 30+ points in the 4th quarter. Other then that I dont really have a problem with what happened yesterday. Get a problem with them scoring so much...stop em.

I just dont think it's very smart on Belicheck's part because he is IMO begging for someone to take Brady's head off and in reality end their Super Bowl asperations. Keep pissing your opposition off and eventually someone is going to take out the entire leagues frustration on your best player. Thats the kind of karma Belicheck is asking for. Coach Gibbs in the Skin's hey day in this respect was alot smarter then Mr Bill....alot classier too but that is a whole other conversation.[/quote]

But here's my issue with this type of argument, Belichick isn't playing dirty ball, he's just outcoaching the opponent and his boys are out hustling and out thinking the other side. What's bad karma about that?

I'm sure if the someone runs up the score on N.E. this week or next, they have no problem with it.

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[quote=Mattyk72;370647]I thought Boston fans had some class, guess I was wrong.[/quote]

Yes, you were very wrong. What gave you that idea

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[quote=TrustinGibbs;370689]I just wonder how smart Belicheck will look when someone knocks Tom Brady out for a few games because he is still on the field throwing the football up by 30+ points in the 4th quarter. Other then that I dont really have a problem with what happened yesterday. Get a problem with them scoring so much...stop em.

I just dont think it's very smart on Belicheck's part because he is IMO begging for someone to take Brady's head off and in reality end their Super Bowl asperations. Keep pissing your opposition off and eventually someone is going to take out the entire leagues frustration on your best player. Thats the kind of karma Belicheck is asking for. Coach Gibbs in the Skin's hey day in this respect was alot smarter then Mr Bill....alot classier too but that is a whole other conversation.[/quote]

Well you could say that about any team that has SB aspirations couldn't you?

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[QUOTE=12thMan;370695]I'm sure if the someone runs up the score on N.E. this week or next, they have no problem with it.[/QUOTE]

I seem to remember several times Belichick was so upset with the opposing coach/team that he either didn't shake hands or was not very cordial about it. I can't remember exactly what happened in those events, but Belichick has already shown that he is a sore loser, IMO.

One instance that sticks out in my mind is when the Jets beat the Pats last year.

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[QUOTE]"I've been coaching too long," Belichick said. "I remember being on that side. When I was coaching defense it was my job to keep the score down, not theirs. When you're playing defense it's your job to stop them. It's not (the offense's) job to not score. It's like I tell the offense, what the (bleep) do you think I send you guys out there for? To punt? We have a punt team for that. That's not your job. Your job is to go out there and score points. If you come off the field and you haven't scored points you haven't done your job."

-Belichick
[/QUOTE]

Wow, the guy has issues.

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Belichick is scum. But what in hell is the point in complaining about it? Get it, guys: he likes it!!!! The Pats are wearing their black hats in public this season, and enjoying it! The Pats are making their statements on the field. Their opponents are gonna have to play mean to bring them down.

The Skins don't need to descend to his level of kicking a team when it's down (unless it's the Pats). But we don't need lovable losers, either.

Isn't it crazy that the Pats are the ones playing with a grudge? Why don't teams play with a grudge against THEM?

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[QUOTE=Paintrain;370686]Dude, if they are cheating/have cheated on their wives, they are not good people, they're scumbags.. Good fathers and outstanding citizens don't cheat on someone they've pledged their lives to and risk it all for 39 seconds of pleasure.. If their character isn't solid enough to resist a one night stand in Vegas then it's time to take a long look in the mirror.. Sorry for the morality check.. Now back to football..[/QUOTE]

Thank you. I couldn't have said it any better. Now, can someone lead me to an "eyewash" station? I feel dirty after reading that post. :vomit:

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So at what point do we call off the dogs and lock down this thread? Seems like it is the same people going back and forth and I don't think we're going to get much further here. Hell, it's even devolved into some guy defending cheating on your wife in Vegas and then others pointing out why he is wrong. It's just gotten ridiculous. Like Matty said, either you get it or you don't. I'm shocked that some people don't understand the premise, but apparently that isn't going to change no matter how many times we knock our heads against the wall trying to explain.

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[quote=Mattyk72;370694][URL="http://www.nbcsports.com/portal/site/nbcsports/menuitem.6f806e473b4cb158fb00ec22493c2d04/?vgnextoid=03f04e2dff8e5110VgnVCM10000075c1d240RCRD&vgnextchannel=6f33d5e59df02110VgnVCM100000dc032c03RCRD&vgnextfmt=default"]Belichick gets under Godfrey's skin - NFL - NBCSports.com[/URL][/quote]

I'm going to send Mr. Godfrey some tissue paper so he can wipe the tears from his eyes. Give me a break.

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Are you married skinsfan69?

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I heard that belichick doesn't wash his hands after he goes to the bathroom and that he farts in public.
(there, that should end this thread)

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[QUOTE=skinsnut68;370706]Belichick is scum. But what in hell is the point in complaining about it? Get it, guys: he likes it!!!! The Pats are wearing their black hats in public this season, and enjoying it! The Pats are making their statements on the field. Their opponents are gonna have to play mean to bring them down.

The Skins don't need to descend to his level of kicking a team when it's down (unless it's the Pats). But we don't need lovable losers, either.

Isn't it crazy that the Pats are the ones playing with a grudge? [B]Why don't teams play with a grudge against THEM?[/B][/QUOTE]

I think that is about to change. After yesterday's debacle, and after reading and listening to the media outcry over this issue, Brady and company had better look out. I think I'll purchase a Colt's jersey this week (sorry Baltimorians) and hope the Pats get the living crap kicked out of them.

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[QUOTE=mheisig;370693]Couldn't have said it better myself. Anyone who doesn't get this point probably won't ever get it. It's like arguing with a brick wall.

It's no surprise that these two are the ones sticking up for Belichick.[/QUOTE]

I'm not sticking up for BB. I'm sticking up for playing hard and playing to win until the game is over.

I think a big reason for a lot of people having problems with NE winning how they did is that they either grew up (or are raising kids) in this era of trophies for all and everyone is on the all star team. They think that winning is fine but really dropping the hammer on an opponent is just not right. I guess I'm just old school and think everyone should play as hard as they can all game long. I'd rather get crushed than think the other team eased up on me because they feel sorry for me. That was how me and my friends thought and played. I guess I'm in the minority now.

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[QUOTE=12thMan;370695]But here's my issue with this type of argument, Belichick isn't playing dirty ball, he's just outcoaching the opponent and his boys are out hustling and out thinking the other side. What's bad karma about that?

I'm sure if the someone runs up the score on N.E. this week or next, they have no problem with it.[/QUOTE]

I don't think anyone (at least not me) is arguing that we were outcoached and outplayed. They beat us in every last aspect of the game, no doubt about it. And it doesn't excuse our play either - we played like crap and we got beat soundly for it.

It think what people are complaining about is the play calling on the part of the Patriot's offense late in the game. I wouldn't expect the players to take it easy or just kneel down on every possession in the 4th quarter or anything like that. The playcalling from Belichick, however, was extremely aggressive , throwing it deep even when we were down 40+ points to 0.

I think his playcalling was obviously designed to keep racking up points as long as there was time on the clock. When the point differential gets to a certain level it's not about ensuring a win or going for the kill, it's about humiliating an opponent, which is exactly what Belichick was doing.

When the score is 40+ to nothing, throwing the ball deep to get a few more TDs has nothing to do with winning and everything to do with piling on the humiliation and stroking your own ego.

The players can't and shouldn't play less, but they're only going to run what the coach calls, which in Belichicks case is pass, pass, pass, run, run, pass, pass.

Fact of the matter is there is something of an informal agreement or etiquette in football that has lasted decades and he's breaking it, week in and week out. If you DO get up on an opponent by a ridiculous amount, have some class and play a touch more conservative and run the clock out. It's been understood and accepted for years, and Belichick is on a rampage of essentially mocking the entire system and tradition of class that has gone before him.

Tony Dungy's team is undefeated and they've been consistent contenders at the highest level, yet you don't find him or his people embroiled in this much scandal and hatred as you do Belichick and his gang.

As long as he's got the team to keep pounding people like this then there's nothing anyone can do. His legacy in the NFL, however, will most likely be one of victories tarnished buy cheating scandals, a dishonest personal and professional life, and generally being resented by pretty much everyone (except irish and skinsfan).