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PFT.com, The WHOLE story doesn't quite make sense to me.

POSTED 8:08 p.m. EST, January 22, 2008

FASSEL TO BE HIRED AS SOON AS WEDNESDAY?

Though some league insiders believe that Jim Fassel will never be an NFL head coach again, Adam Schefter of NFL Network reports that Fassel could be the head coach of the Washington Redskins as soon as Wednesday.

And Fassel could be paired with former Ravens defensive coordinator Rex Ryan, who is under consideration to return to the Ravens in that same capacity -- and who also could end up coaching the Falcons.

Left out in the cold would be current Redskins defensive coordinator Gregg Williams, who not long ago was given a healthy raise to get him to refrain from pursuing other opportunities to become a head coach elsewhere. Williams has been interviewed multiples times, has spent four years in the building, and hasn't been offered the job. That's not a good sign.


NFL network:
[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d8062e865&template=with-video&confirm=true]Redskins could be calling on old NFC East foe[/url]

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Adam Sphincter is a douchebag!! Didn't he also say that Garrett was the Ravens coach? If you want to turn fans off and have empty seats, hire retread Fossil. So many other good candidates besides this clown.

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Wow what a mystery canidate. I just cant wait now. So much to look forward to i can hardly wait. Not that I wanted Mora but Mora would of been better then Fossil. I am sure all of the players are trilled about him. I wonder if any player have any input.

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obviously they don't...seriously, this is taking all the wind out of my sails as a skins fan

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[QUOTE=skinsfan_nn;410914]PFT.com, The WHOLE story doesn't quite make sense to me.

POSTED 8:08 p.m. EST, January 22, 2008

FASSEL TO BE HIRED AS SOON AS WEDNESDAY?

Left out in the cold would be current Redskins defensive coordinator Gregg Williams, who not long ago was given a healthy raise to get him to refrain from pursuing other opportunities to become a head coach elsewhere. Williams has been interviewed multiples times, has spent four years in the building, and hasn't been offered the job. That's not a good sign.


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I think Snyder is remembering what happened the last time Joe Gibbs retired and the then owner JKC went with the defensive coordinator who the players all loved and wanted to coach them for continuity...Remember Richie Petibon? 4-12 that next year... Snyder doesn't want a deja vu moment there I beleive......

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If Fossil is announced as HC tomorrow, it just might be the the lowest of the low in Redskins history. I might not watch another game until Snyder sells the team. Do the right thing, hire GW. Don't be a stupid F...!!!!!

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I think Snyder is remembering what happened the last time Joe Gibbs retired and the then owner JKC went with the defensive coordinator who the players all loved and wanted to coach them for continuity...Remember Richie Petibon? 4-12 that next year... Snyder doesn't want a deja vu moment there I beleive......

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[QUOTE=papersunscar;410941][QUOTE=skinsfan_nn;410914]PFT.com, The WHOLE story doesn't quite make sense to me.

POSTED 8:08 p.m. EST, January 22, 2008

FASSEL TO BE HIRED AS SOON AS WEDNESDAY?

Left out in the cold would be current Redskins defensive coordinator Gregg Williams, who not long ago was given a healthy raise to get him to refrain from pursuing other opportunities to become a head coach elsewhere. Williams has been interviewed multiples times, has spent four years in the building, and hasn't been offered the job. That's not a good sign.


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I think Snyder is remembering what happened the last time Joe Gibbs retired and the then owner JKC went with the defensive coordinator who the players all loved and wanted to coach them for continuity...Remember Richie Petibon? 4-12 that next year... Snyder doesn't want a deja vu moment there I beleive......[/QUOTE]

Dude, I think this is a very astute observation. Someone with a real knowledge of the team and football would make this observation. The only problem is that Snyder is neither of these.

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Latest from JLC on Redskins Insider. Looks like this is gonna happen people. :doh:

[B]Posted at 9:10 PM ET, 01/22/2008[/B]

[B]Fassel and Rex Ryan[/B]

[FONT=Times New Roman,times,serif][SIZE=3] Continues to look like a pair of former Ravens could be perched here in a matter of time.
I keep hearing that Fassel is in a great position to get this job, and when it all hits the fan that former Baltimore DC Rex Ryan would replace Gregg Williams if it goes down this way. That is the hot rumor at the Senior Bowl, and Rex knows Jim and Vinny Cerrato has ties to Rex. Makes sense. So you would be looking at major overhauls to the staff.
Snyder and Cerrato are mulling this over tonight but I would not be surprised to see someone get an offer Wed. At this point I am told the Redskins have still said nothing to Williams and the rest of the coaches and all signs pointing to Fassel. Snyder could always go the other way, and, this organization is capable of anything, but there is lots of angst among the players and coaches - especially those down at the Senior Bowl in Mobile.[/SIZE]
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I just want Williams to hang around. In fact I have no probelm with the Skins hiring Fassal. The guys solid as a head coach and if Williams were to stay around then I would love the hire.

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Could Suanders be the offensive cordinator, for this pair?

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Can someone send an e-mail to JLC and have him post a poll of who the fans want as HC (Fossil or GW) so Dan (Dumb Shit) Snyder can read what the fans want.

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I've abstained from commenting on this up until now but I can't see how this makes any sense, since the players are so solidly in GW's corner. So much of the discontent in the locker room over the Snyder era has come from management's tendency to pay top dollar for outside guns while ignoring those within the organization - it seems that this is now being extended to the coaches too.

I think the Chargers this year proved that a talented team can win for anybody but I am still scratching my head here.

I just fear that this comes down to Williams wanting to fundamentally alter the front office structure and Fassel contrarily being willing to play ball with the current set up. If Williams pushed too much for change in those four interviews I could see Daniel and Vincent talking themselves into just about anybody.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;410951]Can someone send an e-mail to JLC and have him post a poll of who the fans want as HC (Fossil or GW) so Dan (Dumb Shit) Snyder can read what the fans want.[/quote]

Yeah well, the fans also don't want to pay out the ying yang for tickets, parking, food and beer, and The Danny doesn't give two shits about that.

I'm really aggravated right now. This whole situation is baffling.

I just don't understand. According to PFT, most league sources thought this guy didn't have a prayer at another head coaching job. I mean, if he was even thought of as a remotely decent coach anymore, wouldn't he at least have been a position coach somewhere in the league this season?

Meanwhile, my two closest friends are big Skins haters (NY natives, Giants/Jets/Yankee fans- I know), and I'm getting one text message after another totally mocking our situation. I feel like throwing my phone into a wall and following it with my head.

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[quote=GMScud;410962]

I feel like throwing my phone into a wall and following it with my head.[/quote]


LOL, now thats poetic, but yeah man I know how you feel.

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If we end up with Jim Fassel as HC and Rex Ryan as our defensive coordinator, then I'll feel pretty good about our coaching staff for the long term. Fassel is a good QB guy, and Ryan is one of the better defensive minds out there.

Of course, I'd feel good about our staff for the long term if it were Gregg Williams, Jerry Gray as DC, and Al Saunders as OC. In addition to the long term, it would feel pretty good for next season.

Fassel is a solid coach in my opinion. Rex Ryan is a great DC. But I'll have a hard time expecting more than 8-8 in this upcoming transition year.

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I'm hoping that this is just a lot of BS. How is this a good idea? And is Rex Ryan an upgrade? I could coach Lewis, McAlister, Landry and Reed and end up with a top ten D. It doesn't make sense. Hopefully, the scotch wears off on Danny tonight and he comes to his senses.

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That latest JLC blog makes it pretty clear that Williams is probably out and in fact Snyder is going to overhaul the whole operation. I don't like it, but maybe it's because I think Williams is getting the shaft. If it's true that Williams and Cerrato don't get along then obviously Williams was basically outta here from the beginning.

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You know, if Ryan comes here and does well, he will be a head coach somewhere else next season. Just like Marvin Lewis. I cant believe Snyder would do this to Williams. He gave up several chances to be a head coach for him. We will never have continuity.

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;410942]If Fossil is announced as HC tomorrow, it just might be the the lowest of the low in Redskins history. I might not watch another game until Snyder sells the team. Do the right thing, hire GW. Don't be a stupid F...!!!!![/QUOTE]

Get a grip man. This isn't the end of the world. What is so great about Williams other than "continuity"

Both are solid choices. Again, I'd prefer Williams (mainly just so people would shut up already), but if we hire Fassel as our head coach, go back to a West Coast offense that Campbell is supposedly more comfortable in and restore our winning ways...well all these "the world is over" posters will look pretty dumb.

This isn't Rich Kotite we're talking about. Let's give the team a chance

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I have been dwelling on another thought also....what if Snyder was not happy about the offense last year and told Gibbs he would give Saunders one more year to get it scoring and it didn't. What if partial reasoning for Gibbs leaving is because Snyder said it's time for Saunders to be let go and try something else and Gibbs said I'm outa here. I'm sure his grandchild was more the reason but what if he was told he was going to have to let Saunders or Williams go because Snyder was not impressed with how they performed.

Everyone brings up how the Skins won the last 5 games and how they were starting to come together. I'm comfused but I thought that happened last year also didn't it? They won a few last games and everyone was happy that we would carry it over to this year and be a scoring power house. I'll admit we broke 21 points several times but I didn't see the scoring power house Saunders is associated with in KC. Maybe next year will be different. Maybe not. Maybe Snyder in his "impatiantness" is wanting more. I am by no means saying Fassell is the answer. Things may turn out fabulous next year and everyone will be saying "I didn't see that coming."

Perhaps Fassell is offering his services on the cheap because no one is calling on him and he asking Snyder for a favor. Who knows. Fassell never impressed me but maybe with the right OC and DC he will shine. I really don't have a problem with Rex. He had the defense running well (except for the Miami game). Maybe Snyder is thinking instead of building from the back to the front on defense, it's time to build from the front to back. Maybe Fassells phylosophy on Offense is not much different then Saunders and we keep AS for another year. Who know.

This is exactly why I try to have two favorite teams. I have always liked Tampa and have enjoyed the games we play with them (although when we lose I am down.lol) I started adopting NE a few years ago because I thought highly of the coach and thought he was a classy guy. Good team with a good QB. however since they totally humiliated us and did not have the decency to just let it be close, screw NE. I hoped and hoped they would make it to the SB only to be let down hard. Go Giants!

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[quote=SmootSmack;410978]Get a grip man. This isn't the end of the world. [B]What is so great about Williams other than "continuity" [/B]

Both are solid choices. Again, I'd prefer Williams (mainly just so people would shut up already), but if we hire Fassel as our head coach, go back to a West Coast offense that Campbell is supposedly more comfortable in and restore our winning ways...well all these "the world is over" posters will look pretty dumb.

This isn't Rich Kotite we're talking about. Let's give the team a chance[/quote]

You bring up a good point. I know that Williams is fan favorite. The way he dealt with the Taylor situation was excellent. And the players love him too. These guys have been through hell and back together. This locker room has bonded together in a special way. And the fans feel that. They love that (me included). Obviously that lends to how much support Gregg is getting. That said, he only has two years of head coaching experience, and his football acumen outside of the realm of defense is very unproven.

All I can think of is Williams went into his interviews and presented the direction he wanted to take the Redskins, and that direction must have been very different from Vinny and Danny's ideas.

JLC mentions is his most recent article that Gibbs privately endorsed Williams to Snyder. Snyder loves Gibbs and signs off on almost anything he says. Something must have gone down that really soured The Danny on GW.

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[quote=GMScud;410993]You bring up a good point. I know that Williams is fan favorite. The way he dealt with the Taylor situation was excellent. And the players love him too. This locker room has bonded together in a special way. These guys have been through hell and back together. And the fans feel that. They love that (me included). Obviously that lends to how much support Gregg is getting. That said, he only has two years of head coaching experience, and his football acumen outside of the realm of defense is very unproven.

All I can think of is Williams went into his interviews and presented the direction he wanted to take the Redskins, and that direction must have been very different from Vinny and Danny's ideas.[/quote]

You make some valid points but I trust GW's direction better than i do VC's or DS's direction. That's the scary point. I don't trust our FO!!!

Ownership can do whatever they want, but it's just a little disappointing. They talk about true redskins, history, character, family, etc til it comes down to it and you don't hire the BEST candidate in house. You hire Jim Fassel? Throw away 4 years of building a team. Now don't get me wrong i am of the opinion that changes are needed on our team, but let GW do his thing.

This is why I tend to dislike the Redskins FO. It's not a well built machine. We're a coaching carousel. We make FA blunders. Yes, we've done some good things, but who here thinks we have more young talent than our nfc east foes? Gmen...no. Cboys....no. Eagles...maybe???

Jim Fassel if hired won't make it 4 years...make that 3 years. Oh yeah, Rex Ryan, you'll no longer have the talent that you had on your D. Now go out and have a top 10 D consistently. Good luck w/ that.

Why not go for the better candidate who happens to be 8 years younger than JF, i believe. Why not try to have a coach around for a while?

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Fassel is qualified as a HC and is not a bad choice. HOWEVER what really bothered me about him was his last year in NY he totally lost the team. They just quit on the guy.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;411000]Fassel is qualified as a HC and is not a bad choice. HOWEVER what really bothered me about him was his last year in NY he totally lost the team. They just quit on the guy.[/QUOTE]

Yeah I hope due diligence was done on why exactly that happened

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;410965]If we end up with Jim Fassel as HC and Rex Ryan as our defensive coordinator, then I'll feel pretty good about our coaching staff for the long term. Fassel is a good QB guy, and Ryan is one of the better defensive minds out there.

Of course, I'd feel good about our staff for the long term if it were Gregg Williams, Jerry Gray as DC, and Al Saunders as OC. In addition to the long term, it would feel pretty good for next season.

Fassel is a solid coach in my opinion. Rex Ryan is a great DC. But I'll have a hard time expecting more than 8-8 in this upcoming transition year.[/QUOTE]

Ryan and Williams both come from the Buddy Ryan tree (one a bit more closely than the other) so the defensive philosophy may not change much, if at all.

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[quote=SmootSmack;411001]Yeah I hope due diligence was done on why exactly that happened[/quote]

This is why Snyder just shouldn't hire the guy. Who gives a damn if he gets alongs with everybody. Are we trying to get along and be buddy buddy, or are we trying to win games? To me, Fassel just seems like a good OC. There are just certain guys that I can tell are leader of men. Fassel is not one of them.

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[quote=skinsfan69;411003]This is why Snyder just shouldn't hire the guy. Who gives a damn if he gets alongs with everybody. Are we trying to get along and be buddy buddy, or are we trying to win games? To me, Fassel just seems like a good OC. There are just certain guys that I can tell are leader of men. Fassel is not one of them.[/quote]

Look, the guy hasn't done anything notable in 4 seasons. Can't deny that. But he did win a conference championship and was twice named coach of the year (I think I've repeated that stat 3 times now). Obviously he understands what it takes to be successful as a HC in this league. But can he still be that guy? I'm not so sure, and neither are a lot of "league sources."

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;410942]If Fossil is announced as HC tomorrow, it just might be the the lowest of the low in Redskins history. I might not watch another game until Snyder sells the team. Do the right thing, hire GW. Don't be a stupid F...!!!!![/QUOTE] Overreact much?

If we get Fassel (which is basically a lock at this point) and Ryan, we are in no worse shape than if we kept GW and hired a new OC to replace Saunders.. The only true way to maintain 'continuity' would be if Gibbs never left. For all that we thought GW may keep the same, we truly have no idea what his plans were. Maybe he wanted to move training camp to Calabasas, CA. Maybe he wanted to switch to a 3-3-5 defense. Maybe he wants to hire Mike Martz away from SF to be the OC.. We have no clue but we're automatically sold on him because he 'maintains continuity'?

As I posted earlier, Pittsburgh changed head coach and OC and made the playoffs.. SD changed head coach, OC and DC and made the playoffs.. Dallas changed head coach, OC and DC and made the playoffs.. In the playoffs NYG, SD, Indy & Sea all had coaches who had previously led another team to the playoffs.. The 2 Super Bowl coaches are 'retreads' that I'm sure were not warmly embraced by their fan bases upon hire..

Let's take the 'post loss' stance when it comes to posting.. Take a few deep breaths, a walk around the house and use logic rather than emotion..

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This is very troubling to me. I really feel that this could make it hard for me to follow the team with such a die hard passion.

Even if Fassel wins it all next year, there will still be that bitter taste hanging around.

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[QUOTE=drew54;411008]This is very troubling to me. I really feel that this could make it hard for me to follow the team with such a die hard passion.

[b]Even if Fassel wins it all next year, there will still be that bitter taste hanging around.[/b][/QUOTE]
Help me understand this one.. Are you related to GW?

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[quote=Paintrain;411007]Overreact much?

If we get Fassel (which is basically a lock at this point) and Ryan, we are in no worse shape than if we kept GW and hired a new OC to replace Saunders.. The only true way to maintain 'continuity' would be if Gibbs never left. For all that we thought GW may keep the same, we truly have no idea what his plans were. Maybe he wanted to move training camp to Calabasas, CA. Maybe he wanted to switch to a 3-3-5 defense. Maybe he wants to hire Mike Martz away from SF to be the OC.. We have no clue but we're automatically sold on him because he 'maintains continuity'?

As I posted earlier, Pittsburgh changed head coach and OC and made the playoffs.. SD changed head coach, OC and DC and made the playoffs.. Dallas changed head coach, OC and DC and made the playoffs.. In the playoffs NYG, SD, Indy & Sea all had coaches who had previously led another team to the playoffs.. The 2 Super Bowl coaches are 'retreads' that I'm sure were not warmly embraced by their fan bases upon hire..

Let's take the 'post loss' stance when it comes to posting.. Take a few deep breaths, a walk around the house and use logic rather than emotion..[/quote]

Excellent post. That's a very good perspective. I totally agree, as I just posted about an hour ago, that Gregg could have had a totally different view of the team's future than Danny/Vinny expected.

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Choosing Fassel would be a huge mistake. Just when you think Dan Snyder might catch a clue, this bullshi* happens.

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[quote=rskinz;411019]Choosing Fassel would be a huge mistake. Just when you think Dan Snyder might catch a clue, this bullshi* happens.[/quote]

Welcome to the board. :)

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;411000]Fassel is qualified as a HC and is not a bad choice. HOWEVER what really bothered me about him was his last year in NY he totally lost the team. They just quit on the guy.[/QUOTE]

What about what went down in Buffalo that same season? The Bills quit on GW too.

Which is why I think it is significant that the players are so solidly behind him this time around. Clearly he has refined his message.

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Is Fassel the best Dan can get? We have better if not the same coaches on staff now. If this goes down I really think I am going to be sick. Dan please sell this team!!!!! With Gibbs the last 4 years we had a chance but with Fassel I think it is really a bad way to go. I am sick of starting all over with new O and D's. What will this do to Campbell? Dan is just killing me taking a 56 year old guy out of coaching and leting him have the keys to the kingdom! Sell Dan before you kill us all!!!!!!

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[QUOTE=RedskinPete;411029]Is Fassel the best Dan can get? We have better if not the same coaches on staff now. If this goes down I really think I am going to be sick. Dan please sell this team!!!!! With Gibbs the last 4 years we had a chance but with Fassel I think it is really a bad way to go. I am sick of starting all over with new O and D's. What will this do to Campbell? Dan is just killing me taking a 56 year old guy out of coaching and leting him have the keys to the kingdom! Sell Dan be for you kill us all!!!!!![/QUOTE]

Well it appears there will be a clear delineation between the front office and coach with Vinny Cerrato's promotion and clearly defined role. Exactly what Redskins fans have been bitching about for years, to have a separation of "church and state."

What will it do for Campbell? Well considering what Fassel has done with past QBs and how Campbell has done in an offense similar to Fassel's it might actually benefit him (and Portis, and Moss, and El)

But hey, why be rational about it? No, that wouldn't make any sense. No it's a lot better to flip out and write ifrational, idiotic posts.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;411032]Well it appears there will be a clear delineation between the front office and coach with Vinny Cerrato's promotion and clearly defined role. Exactly what Redskins fans have been bitching about for years, to have a separation of "church and state."

What will it do for Campbell? Well considering what Fassel has done with past QBs and how Campbell has done in an offense similar to Fassel's it might actually benefit him (and Portis, and Moss, and El)

But hey, why be rational about it? No, that wouldn't make any sense. No it's a lot better to flip out and write ifrational, idiotic posts.[/QUOTE]
First off I am not a Vinny fan...I saw first hand his work in SF and it was not good and now he is going to run the show even more. 49er fans were OVER joyed to see him go! As for Fassel I really can't see him being this God sent because if he was he would be coaching some where else. Just another old timer looking for that last big payday from Danny! As for flipping out I just don't see this[Fassle] as the next Super Bowl winning coach for the Redskins. You must and time will tell if you are right.

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You know, those who question why there would be despair at the thought of Gggrilliamsss not getting the nod should think back to the time the "has the game passed Gibbs by" talk began among fans and sports journos.

Looking back now, what we have perspective on is that what Joe restored was a sense of stability, continuity, and perhaps most importantly, an atmosphere where the players believed that the team was headed in the right direction.

It also seemed that some of "The Gibbs" rubbed off on "The Danny" and what Fossil/Ryan represents is a scary regression there.

Passing by Gggrilliams sends a clear message that Snyder honors whatever his lawyers say he has to by the letter of his contracts, not necessary the spirit of his agreements, much less what's the "right" thing to do. It also sends a message that he knows better than the players and isn't really interested in what they think -- they'll play for who the hell he tells them to play for. I'm getting Lavernues Coles flashbacks here, people.

Considering the degree to which this team came together at the end of last year after a horrible tragedy, it just seems so callous to throw that all aside and basically break with everything there for what smacks of some kind of nepotism or Old Boy Network mentality.

If this happens, it seems pretty clear that Snyder really hasn't learned much from Joe, and maybe he wasn't really listening at all while Joe was here anyway.

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Like it or not for a QB ...Fassel is the way to go.