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[quote=sandtrapjack;421077]Beat me to the post, but yeah I heard that on Mike & Mike this morning also.

All they would go as far as saying is that "The Redskins have made "overtures" to the Bengals with regard to Chad Johnson". Much like the "overtures" they made with regard to Lance Briggs last spring.

Although I can see Washington re-negotiating current contracts with players to get under the cap and make room, [B]I just cannot see the Bengals going through with any trade of Johnson, to anyone.[/B]

So don't rush right out and buy a burgundy and gold #85 jersey just yet.

Ocho-Cinco is under contract through 2011 in Cincinatti. By trading Johnson NOW, the Bengals organization will have to accept MILLIONS of dollars in "Dead Money". [B]That is a lot of money that counts against the Bengals salary cap. [/B]And it just does not make good business sense to trade him this year.[/quote]


Sandtrap - you nailed it - the Bengals are not going to trade Johnson and ruin their cap just because CJ is upset. It would cost the Bengals $8.8 million in cap hits to trade him right now - plus if they did trade him they would have to get a replacement which will cost even more money - it is just not practical for the Bengals to do this. Just because a player is unhappy does not mean a GM or owner is going to relent to his trade demand immediately. People need to start looking at salary cap ramifications before they start specualting that a player will be traded.

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[quote=talk show host;421108]No way we get CJ without giving up our 1st round pic and possible a lower round pick as well. He is talented, but he will demand a large contract. He's 6'1, but we could really use someone a bit taller. He's a Diva and we have no reason to beleive he wouldn't make problems here. He's also 30 years old and may be in his prime now, but he probably only has 3-4 "good" years left in him.

why not keep our draft picks and just use those picks on a good, young, tall, cheap receiver?

for salary cap reasons, every chad johnson-type player we hire means we WON"T have talent at 3-4 other positions. i'd rather pay for 3-4 good players than one "star." and so would 31 other teams in the NFL. I guess snyder hasnt learned anything.[/quote]


Stop it talk show host - you are making too much sense!

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[quote=Buster;421111]^Next paragraph in that Post article:[/quote]

I know this is a CJ thread but please let's not get into the Briggs mess again. We have some pretty solid LBs last time i checked...fletcher, washington, mcintosh (who's supposed to be ready), blades.

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[quote=Bill B;421112]Sandtrap - you nailed it - the Bengals are not going to trade Johnson and ruin their cap just because CJ is upset. It would cost the Bengals $8.8 million in cap hits to trade him right now - plus if they did trade him they would have to get a replacement which will cost even more money - it is just not practical for the Bengals to do this. Just because a player is unhappy does not mean a GM or owner is going to relent to his trade demand immediately. People need to start looking at salary cap ramifications before they start specualting that a player will be traded.[/quote]
Why not Santana Moss and a 2nd round pick?

You don't need to pay for a placement... the ammo is certainly there, I just simply don't understand the cap logistics behind a move like this. Don't know if it's plausible or not. Anyone that knows the salary cap well, please feel free to chime in... I'm curious to the possibility of something blockbuster like this.

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[quote=RobH4413;421117]Why not Santana Moss and a 2nd round pick?

You don't need to pay for a placement... the ammo is certainly there, I just simply don't understand the cap logistics behind a move like this. Don't know if it's plausible or not. Anyone that knows the salary cap well, please feel free to chime in... I'm curious to the possibility of something blockbuster like this.[/quote]

Lemme see if I can help....

The "Dead Money" I mentioned is the remaining portion of his pro-rated signing bonus.

If Johnson stays under contrat with the Bengals, he would get his signing bounus in (lack for better words) yearly installments. He gets a portion of that signing bonus each year.

Now if a player is traded BEFORE his contract expires, then the remaining amount of the signing bonus gets piled into one lump-sum and counts AGAINST the teams salary cap.

So if Johnson is traded, then you have FOUR YEARS of the remaining signing bonus that is (remaining signing bonus installment) X 4 yrs = 8.8 mill that instantly counts against the teams cap.

So as Bill B mentioned, by trading Johnson, the Bengals would incur and instantaneous 8.8 hit against thier cap with no player to show for it.

Hence the term "Dead Money"

Sure any team can propose a trade that would acquire Johnson, but are the Bengals going to allow it and voluntarily place themselves 8.8 million in the hole on the cap?

Now if Johnson was entering the FINAL year of his contract, that dead money hit is almost nil and a trade would be feasible for Cincy.

But with 4 years remaining on his current contract, and 8 Mill in dead money, I just do nor forsee the Bengals entertaining trade offers.

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Is it possible for a player to "absorb" some of that cap hit himself by restructuring his contract?

If Chad was trying to get some gigantic contract with the Redskins... it may be worth it to restructure... Once again, I'm only ignorantly speculating. Where's Canuck when you need him.

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This is the dumbest idea I've ever heard, which means that Snyder is almost certainly serious about it. Of course our reward for taking this idiot off of Mike Brown's hands is that he'll vote to opt out of the CBA and leave us in cap hell. It's all happening again God Dammit.

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[quote=sandtrapjack;421125]Lemme see if I can help....

The "Dead Money" I mentioned is the remaining portion of his pro-rated signing bonus.

If Johnson stays under contrat with the Bengals, he would get his signing bounus in (lack for better words) yearly installments. He gets a portion of that signing bonus each year.

Now if a player is traded BEFORE his contract expires, then the remaining amount of the signing bonus gets piled into one lump-sum and counts AGAINST the teams salary cap.

So if Johnson is traded, then you have FOUR YEARS of the remaining signing bonus that is (remaining signing bonus installment) X 4 yrs = 8.8 mill that instantly counts against the teams cap.

So as Bill B mentioned, by trading Johnson, the Bengals would incur and instantaneous 8.8 hit against thier cap with no player to show for it.

Hence the term "Dead Money"

Sure any team can propose a trade that would acquire Johnson, but are the Bengals going to allow it and voluntarily place themselves 8.8 million in the hole on the cap?

Now if Johnson was entering the FINAL year of his contract, that dead money hit is almost nil and a trade would be feasible for Cincy.

But with 4 years remaining on his current contract, and 8 Mill in dead money, I just do nor forsee the Bengals entertaining trade offers.[/quote]


Thanks for the clarification Sandtrap. I think that trades are a lot harder than people think and just because an agent like Drew Rosenhaus is working vigourously for his client does not mean it will happen - the salary cap has really made it difficult to trade players who still have a lot of bonus money to burn off.

I go back to the Portis for Champ Bailey trade as a reason that makes people (including writers) think you can just trade for players easily. That deal was a big headline because it was players in their prime and rarely does a team trade a player who performs well in his prime - but if you really look at that deal and the numbers you can see why it was much more doable compared to a Chad Johnson trade. Portis had a very low rookie contract that did not have a big cap implication and Champ was entering the final years of his contract and there was not as big a cap hit to occur by trading him. Portis wanted big money and the Skins were willing to give it to him. Denver wanted an elite CB and Washignton did not want to give in to Champ's massive contract demands so everything aligned and worked out.

Personally, I look at CJ's age and contract demands and I would not go in that direction. Why not let the scouting department work its magic - they seem to have done a pretty good job on picks/undrafted FA's from looking at the Redskins draft history - Cooley, Landry, Sean Taylor, Samuels, McIntosh, Heyer, Lorenzo Alexander, Anthony Montgomery.

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[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;415903]First round WRs are usually 50/50 gambles, but, then again, free agent wideouts aren't exactly sure-things. Brandon Lloyd anyone? Moreover, the upside and risk on lower 1st round draftees is far and away better than that of FA wideouts.[/QUOTE]

are you crazy comparing b loyd to CJ thats like comparing Tom Brady to Brad Johnson

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[quote=RobH4413;421127]Is it possible for a player to "absorb" some of that cap hit himself by restructuring his contract?

If Chad was trying to get some gigantic contract with the Redskins... it may be worth it to restructure... Once again, I'm only ignorantly speculating. Where's Canuck when you need him.[/quote]


Rob - I think it depends on the contract that was signed - with Adam Archuleta and the way his contract was made with the Skins his bonus money was staggered - he got $5 million as a signing bonus and than his next $5 million bonus was a roster bonus if he was on the Redskins the following year. I think when we traded him to Chicago the Skins were able to not absorb the 2nd roster bonus because Archuleta agreed to decline the second bonus because the Bear's were willing to give him that bonus on his new contract with their team. This was a great move by our Front office in not only were we able to pry away a 6th round pick for a player that was not going to contribute to the team anymore, but we were able to lower the cap hit in the process compared to if we just cut Adam Archuleta outright.

With Chad Johnson his massive bonus has already been paid to him so the Bengals would be stuck with the dead money no matter what the Skins agreed to.

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[quote=dan757;421141]are you crazy comparing b loyd to CJ thats like comparing Tom Brady to Brad Johnson[/quote]


welcome but no need to ask someone if they are crazy.

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[QUOTE=70Chip;421131]This is the dumbest idea I've ever heard, which means that Snyder is almost certainly serious about it. Of course our reward for taking this idiot off of Mike Brown's hands is that he'll vote to opt out of the CBA and leave us in cap hell. It's all happening again God Dammit.[/QUOTE]

I agree with ya. I've been asked multiple times over the years with snyder "how do ya think the new coach will do" ? I always said as long as Snyder owns the team the skins will go nowhere. Well, when Gibbs was hired I thought maybe I was wrong. I thought Snyder had turned a page.

This offseason has proved me wrong once again. I just can't beleive some of the stupid stuff he does. He completely screwed the family bond this years team had with the firing of GW. I really think players would have moved mountains to stay here. However, Snyder through that out the window. The players can clearly see there is no loyalty in the organization. Y would anyone want to stick around.

Why can't we go into a draft one year with all of our draft picks? :censored:
I can't see giving up a 1st and a 3rd or two 2nd round picks for CJ. To even mention giving up Moss I would consider pure stupidity. However, we are talking about Snyder here huh?

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[quote=Gtothearry;421150]I agree with ya. I've been asked multiple times over the years with snyder "how do ya think the new coach will do" ? I always said as long as Snyder owns the team the skins will go nowhere. Well, when Gibbs was hired I thought maybe I was wrong. I thought Snyder had turned a page. This offseason has proved me wrong once again. I just can't beleive some of the stupid stuff he does. He completely screwed the family bond this years team had with the firing of GW.

Why can't we go into a draft one year with all of our draft picks? :censored:[/quote]


we have all but 1 of our picks this year

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[QUOTE=EARTHQUAKE2689;421152]we have all but 1 of our picks this year[/QUOTE]

Yea, for now. However, if the CJ trade goes down there goes at least the 1st.

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[quote=Gtothearry;421157]Yea, for now. However, if the CJ trade goes down there goes at least the 1st.[/quote]


not necesarily why not take a wait and see approach instead of going in saying "fuck" everything

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No to Ocho Cinco.

1) Not what a first time HC needs; a 30 yr. old, very expensive, self-serving head case in the locker room.

2) Johnson "disappears" quite a bit. His numbers are misleading, he will explode in a couple of games and then do little or nothing for 3-4 weeks at a time.

3) Not sure the Bengals are going to want to take an $ 8M + cap hit anyway

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[QUOTE=EARTHQUAKE2689;421158]not necesarily why not take a wait and see approach instead of going in saying "fuck" everything[/QUOTE]

Im waiting to see what happens. Just voicing my opinion on past years. Im hoping we have learned from the past.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;421159]No to Ocho Cinco.

1) Not what a first time HC needs; a 30 yr. old, very expensive, [B][I]self-serving head case in the locker room[/I][/B].

2) Johnson "disappears" quite a bit. His numbers are misleading, he will explode in a couple of games and then do little or nothing for 3-4 weeks at a time.

3) Not sure the Bengals are going to want to take an $ 8M + cap hit anyway[/quote]


Explain that part more please.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;421161]Explain that part more please.[/quote]
Obviously the NFL is a business and players need to look out for their best interest; but threatening to sit out 2008 to force a trade, trashing the Bengals organization in multiple interviews, trashing the Cincy media, pushing reporters, on top of the whole "look at me" celebrations is what I'm referring to.

I could get past the celebration thing if he's putting up TDs for the Skins, but the guy is in a 4-year contract and pretty well paid. Things are a little bumpy up in Cincy and he's ready to bail. What happens if JC struggles or Zorn makes a few mistakes.....not enough upside from Chad for the money and potential headaches for the Skins IMO.

[URL="http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2008/02/07/chad-johnson-shoves-member-of-the-nfl-media-relations/"]Chad Johnson Shoves Member of the NFL's Media Relations Department - FanHouse - AOL Sports Blog[/URL]

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;421159]No to Ocho Cinco.

1) Not what a first time HC needs; a 30 yr. old, very expensive, self-serving head case in the locker room.

2) [b]Johnson "disappears" quite a bit. His numbers are misleading, he will explode in a couple of games and then do little or nothing for 3-4 weeks at a time.[/b]

3) Not sure the Bengals are going to want to take an $ 8M + cap hit anyway[/quote]

I tend to disagree with note 2)

to the contrary if you look at the production of T. J. Houshmandzadeh this past season, you will see he has more yards and TD's than CJ.

But I credit that as a direct reflection of CJ's abilities. With most teams shifting coverges to Johnsons side and doubling him, it created more opportunities for Houshmandzadeh to excel.

That is what a WR of Johnsons abilities brings to the table. He does not have to get 25 TD's and 1500 yds per year to contribute. His mere presence on the field forces defenses to account for him at all times, thereby creating opportunities for his team mates.

Just think of the possibilities of Moss and Johnson on the field. Who do you double team? Pick your poison is all I can say.

Throw ARE in the slot and you have provided Campbell with several legitimate targets. Did I mention Cooley?

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[QUOTE=Slingin Sammy 33;421168]Obviously the NFL is a business and players need to look out for their best interest; but threatening to sit out 2008 to force a trade, trashing the Bengals organization in multiple interviews, trashing the Cincy media, pushing reporters, on top of the whole "look at me" celebrations is what I'm referring to.

I could get past the celebration thing if he's putting up TDs for the Skins, but the guy is in a 4-year contract and pretty well paid. Things are a little bumpy up in Cincy and he's ready to bail. What happens if JC struggles or Zorn makes a few mistakes.....not enough upside from Chad for the money and potential headaches for the Skins IMO.

[URL="http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2008/02/07/chad-johnson-shoves-member-of-the-nfl-media-relations/"]Chad Johnson Shoves Member of the NFL's Media Relations Department - FanHouse - AOL Sports Blog[/URL][/QUOTE]

For what it's worth, colleagues I spoke to that were there say that the "shove" was greatly exaggerated. It was more like a brush off, and in fact the league is privately reprimanded the media relations employee because he was the one that was excessively abrasive with CJ.

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[quote=sandtrapjack;421172]I tend to disagree with note 2)

to the contrary if you look at the production of T. J. Houshmandzadeh this past season, you will see he has more yards and TD's than CJ.

But I credit that as a direct reflection of CJ's abilities. With most teams shifting coverges to Johnsons side and doubling him, it created more opportunities for Houshmandzadeh to excel.

That is what a WR of Johnsons abilities brings to the table. He does not have to get 25 TD's and 1500 yds per year to contribute. His mere presence on the field forces defenses to account for him at all times, thereby creating opportunities for his team mates.

Just think of the possibilities of Moss and Johnson on the field. Who do you double team? Pick your poison is all I can say.

Throw ARE in the slot and you have provided Campbell with several legitimate targets. Did I mention Cooley?[/quote]

There's no denying what CJ would bring to the table and he would certainly make the entire offense better by just being in the lineup.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;421182]There's no denying what CJ would bring to the table and he would certainly make the entire offense better by just being in the lineup.[/QUOTE]

Thank you that is what I've been saying

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[quote=sandtrapjack;421172]to the contrary if you look at the production of T. J. Houshmandzadeh this past season, you will see he has more yards and TD's than CJ.

But I credit that as a direct reflection of CJ's abilities. With most teams shifting coverges to Johnsons side and doubling him, it created more opportunities for Houshmandzadeh to excel.

That is what a WR of Johnsons abilities brings to the table. He does not have to get 25 TD's and 1500 yds per year to contribute. His mere presence on the field forces defenses to account for him at all times, thereby creating opportunities for his team mates.

Just think of the possibilities of Moss and Johnson on the field. Who do you double team? Pick your poison is all I can say.

Throw ARE in the slot and you have provided Campbell with several legitimate targets. Did I mention Cooley?[/quote]
I understand a true # 1 will cause the defense to shift, but if you look at the production of the true #1s, they are for the most part consistent. Randy Moss, Reggie Wayne (this year with Harrison out), Torry Holt, Terrell Owens. It also cuts both ways, Houz is no mystery as a Pro Bowl caliber receiver. He is not the deep threat that CJ is, but a very solid receiver that the defense still must account for, this takes away the ability for teams to double CJ all game and should open up things for him.

I'm not saying CJ is a bad player, he is very good, but the cost/benefit for the Skins at this point in time is not good IMO.

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A guy like Chad Johnson is happy when he's winning, unhappy when he's losing. And when a guy like Chad Johnson is unhappy, everyone is unhappy. Those who support CJ coming to the Skins need to be prepared for the ramifications of such a decision if and when things do not go well. One losing season and CJ will wreak havoc, and what reason do we have to believe that with CJ we will suddenly become contenders? It hasn't worked in the past with our huge acquisitions, and we're currently a team in flux, what with a new coaching staff and all. Maybe things will work out, maybe the depth we have been accumulating will pay off, and signing a guy like CJ will be what finally takes us to that next level. But are you prepared for all the garbage that CJ will heap upon this team in the event that we do not become contenders? That is the question you have to ask.

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This is absurd. If what the WP is reporting is true, that we'd have to give up a 1st and 3rd, or two 2nd rounders to get him it is absolutely not worth it. Dan Snyder, if you make this move you truely have learned NOTHING from your past mistakes.

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[QUOTE=Coff;421188]A guy like Chad Johnson is happy when he's winning, unhappy when he's losing. And when a guy like Chad Johnson is unhappy, everyone is unhappy. Those who support CJ coming to the Skins need to be prepared for the ramifications of such a decision if and when things do not go well. One losing season and CJ will wreak havoc, and what reason do we have to believe that with CJ we will suddenly become contenders? It hasn't worked in the past with our huge acquisitions, and we're currently a team in flux, what with a new coaching staff and all. Maybe things will work out, maybe the depth we have been accumulating will pay off, and signing a guy like CJ will be what finally takes us to that next level. But are you prepared for all the garbage that CJ will heap upon this team in the event that we do not become contenders? That is the question you have to ask.[/QUOTE]

I disagree if you look at our last ten year history based on that lonely we aren't a winning franchise & CJ knows that. He likes our potential as a team plus it was mentioned he was interested in us & Miami trust me he wants to win but he wouldn't pitch that big of a fit if we lost games.

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[quote=Redskin Warrior;421193]I disagree if you look at our last ten year history based on that lonely we aren't a winning franchise & CJ knows that. He likes our potential as a team plus it was mentioned he was interested in us & Miami trust me he wants to win but he wouldn't pitch that big of a fit if we lost games.[/quote]
It will be a different story once the signing bonus Rosenhaus negotiates with Snyder is cashed. I would take anything that comes out of CJ's mouth at this point with a "shaker" of salt. Anything he says about "interest in a certain team" is coming from Rosenhaus and is designed to get him out of Cincy.

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[quote=Redskin Warrior;421193]I disagree if you look at our last ten year history based on that lonely we aren't a winning franchise & CJ knows that. He likes our potential as a team plus it was mentioned he was interested in us & Miami trust me he wants to win but he wouldn't pitch that big of a fit if we lost games.[/quote]

Ocho Cinco is interested in one thing........and that is the monster contracts that Dan Snyder historically pays out.

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you guys realize the bengals want either 1st and 3rd or 2 2nds. no way im willing to give that up for the new TO

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Chad Johnson is a great talent and would upgrade the offense but at what cost. I don't think it's worth it to give up two draft picks and a hefty salary for one player. That's why the Redskins are in salary cap hell now. At some point in time, the organization has to be fiscally responsible and stop dishing out crazy contracts to free agents. Their success rate for free agents is no better than the draft. The draft is a lot less expensive. The Redskins need to concentrate on the draft and stop going after the overpriced free agents.

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[QUOTE=Slingin Sammy 33;421196]It will be a different story once the signing bonus Rosenhaus negotiates with Snyder is cashed. I would take anything that comes out of CJ's mouth at this point with a "shaker" of salt. Anything he says about "interest in a certain team" is coming from Rosenhaus and is designed to get him out of Cincy.[/QUOTE]

True I agree about Rosenhaus, but we are not the Colts, Pats, Eagles, Seahawks teams that pretty much make the playoffs every year we want to but we aren't a winning team like that and he knows that.

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[QUOTE=bigm29;421198]you guys realize the bengals want either 1st and 3rd or 2 2nds. no way im willing to give that up for the new TO[/QUOTE]

I believe that players would be involved in this b/c it is too steep of a deal Snyder has not denied it so I think something will happen with this.

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[quote=hail_2_da_skins;421199]Chad Johnson is a great talent and would upgrade the offense but at what cost. I don't think it's worth it to give up two draft picks and a hefty salary for one player. That's why the Redskins are in salary cap hell now. At some point in time, the organization has to be fiscally responsible and stop dishing out crazy contracts to free agents. Their success rate for free agents is no better than the draft. The draft is a lot less expensive. [B]The Redskins need to concentrate on the draft and stop going after the overpriced free agents[/B].[/quote]

Hail - stop saying things like this - you are making too much sense!

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[quote=sandtrapjack;421197]Ocho Cinco is interested in one thing........and that is the monster contracts that Dan Snyder historically pays out.[/quote]

I agree. I'm really, REALLY tired of his antics. I used to think his shenanigans were cheeky and fun. It's become clear that when someone catches more TDs than he does (Housh), and the team struggles, the real number 85 emerges. Evil shenanigans. Crybaby bullshit. I definitely want to add a big WR, but if we piss away our draft for a 30 year old me first attention hog... I'll put my head through a wall to say the least. Just say no to ocho stinko.

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[QUOTE=dan757;421141]are you crazy comparing b loyd to CJ thats like comparing Tom Brady to Brad Johnson[/QUOTE]

I didn't compare Brandon Lloyd to Chad Johnson. I simply said free agent WRs are not a sure-thing.

As for Chad, I said in a previous post that he likely has several years of Pro Bowl caliber play. I would never intentionally imply that he is anything like Brandon Lloyd.

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[quote=bigm29;421198]you guys realize the bengals want either 1st and 3rd or 2 2nds. no way im willing to give that up for the new TO[/quote]

The guy is 30 years old. How many more years is he going to play at the level he's play at now? 1-2 more years? No way am I giving up a any high draft picks for this guy. I prey to god we don't make this move.

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[quote=skinsfan69;421239]The guy is 30 years old. How many more years is he going to play at the level he's play at now? 1-2 more years? Now way am I giving up a any high draft picks for this guy. I prey to god we don't make this move.[/quote]

TO is 34 and still playing great.

Chad is 30, there's no reason to think he can't keep this up for another 4-5 years.

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[quote=Mattyk72;421240]TO is 34 and still playing great.

Chad is 30, there's no reason to think he can't keep this up for another 4-5 years.[/quote]

I don't know if I'd put CJ on TO's level. He close though. But to me the risk outweighs the reward. It's going to take a #1 pick and a ton of cash. To me WR's can be found in the draft, kind of like how GB did it. I'd MUCH rather get some O-line help or a pass rushing DE. In the end the games are always won and lost in the trenches and the NYG proved that in the SB by whipping the Pats o-line.

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[quote=skinsfan69;421265]I don't know if I'd put CJ on TO's level. He close though. But to me the risk outweighs the reward. It's going to take a #1 pick and a ton of cash. To me WR's can be found in the draft, kind of like how GB did it. I'd MUCH rather get some O-line help or a pass rushing DE. In the end the games are always won and lost in the trenches and the NYG proved that in the SB by whipping the Pats o-line.[/quote]

I wasn't try to compare the two, just saying that it's not uncommon for WRs to play well into their mid 30s.

I'm not hot on the idea of dealing for him either.