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[quote=jsarno;423525]BTW- if people here feel like insulting me or at the least be negative towards my program despite all the success it has had, that's your choice, and carry on...but I will not be commenting on it any further, it's not going anywhere, and I should not have contributed to hijacking a thread. My bad.

Thanks guys...I look forward to constructive conversation with some of you elswhere in this site.[/quote]

But, it's not hijacked cuz were still talking about Loose Change here, right?

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Have you ever heard of the Monte Carlo Fallacy?

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;423527]Have you ever heard of the Monte Carlo Fallacy?[/QUOTE]

Alright, this will be my last comment here on this.
1- Yes I have...it stems from back in the early 1900's in Monte Carlo where a supposedly "legit" stastical anomoly occured where red or black (can't remember which) hit like 26 times in a row. But the difference between me and most is that I understand it is possible, and I have mentioned before that nothing is 100% certain. I go by the odds, and play the odds when they are in my favor, not when they are not. Have I lost some battles? Absolutely, but never lost a war.
2- Why in the world do people care, and care to comment on things they haven't even tried? It's shocking really. Is it cause people here just like to argue? It's like males commenting on what it's like to give birth.

Again, no one has to beleive, and I am not forcing my facts / statistical proof on anyone, so it's time to move on.

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[QUOTE=jsarno;423534]Alright, this will be my last comment here on this.
1- Yes I have...it stems from back in the early 1900's in Monte Carlo where a supposedly "legit" stastical anomoly occured where red or black (can't remember which) hit like 26 times in a row. But the difference between me and most is that I understand it is possible, and I have mentioned before that nothing is 100% certain. I go by the odds, and play the odds when they are in my favor, not when they are not. Have I lost some battles? Absolutely, but never lost a war.
2- Why in the world do people care, and care to comment on things they haven't even tried? It's shocking really. Is it cause people here just like to argue? It's like males commenting on what it's like to give birth.

Again, no one has to beleive, and I am not forcing my facts / statistical proof on anyone, so it's time to move on.[/QUOTE]

1. But doesn't the Monte Carlo Fallacy essentially refute the notion that "after black has hit 3 times in a row, it is statistically higher than 50/50 that red will hit"?

2. Just trying to find out more about your method. Sorry that I'm not rushing out to a casino right now to try it and get back to you.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;423540]1. But doesn't the Monte Carlo Fallacy essentially refute the notion that "after black has hit 3 times in a row, it is statistically higher than 50/50 that red will hit"?

2. Just trying to find out more about your method. Sorry that I'm not rushing out to a casino right now to try it and get back to you.[/QUOTE]

I will comment via PM.

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[quote=Schneed10;423493]Yeah, jsarno, you're dead wrong on the red and black thing. You're basically saying that if you flip a coin and it lands on heads 3 times in a row, then it's more than 50% likely to land on tails during the next flip.

That's flat out incorrect. Events that happened in the past are exactly that, in the past. They do nothing to change the probabilities of future outcomes.

Your stance makes you appear uneducated.[/quote]

Sorry jsarno, but I would agree with Schneed here. I mean I have extensively studied statistics and gambling "techniques" are constantly disproved, starting at the 101 level.

I also done quite a bit of econometrics too. I am not trying to get into an argument about who is qualified, just want to let you know I have been educated in these fields. Last time I tried to let people know I was ripped a new one...thanks Schneed ;)

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[quote=jsarno;423519]I have given it to very close friends and family...it is not publishing worthy yet. I haven't had the time to refine it to get it published. I am not a good author.[/quote]

I also don't want to steal your idea, but please tell me when the book is out. I will most definitely be interested in it.

Also I don't mean to insult, I am just a skeptic.

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[QUOTE=hooskins;423544]I also don't want to steal your idea, but please tell me when the book is out. I will most definitely be interested in it.

Also I don't mean to insult, I am just a skeptic.[/QUOTE]

I responded via PM.

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[QUOTE=jsarno;423514]Honestly, it's a lot of pages worth of studies, I have a long book written on it. I haven't even scratched the surface of describing the method here. There was a thread here a LONG time ago that explained it a little, and some here even PMed me to thank me for helping them win money. Of course there were others that just went ahead and insulted me due to their own fears and fart sniffing. It's all good.
Vegas wouldn't go out of business cause of my book, you don't bet enough money to win enough money to break vegas. You have to start small...$5 max in each section, then go from there.
[B]What I find most amusing is the amount of people that are willing to try and be successful, and the amount of people that would rather not bother and persecute those that do. When you sit back and watch how people react, it's quite interesting. [B]The same people tell you "Mari-ju-wana is bad mmm kay", and yet they haven't tried it...the same people that tell you not to open up and try and they are content to sit on the sidelines and watch life.

Regardless, if you are content knowing only what you know, how will you ever learn anything new? (be warned that some here think they know everything)

ps- if you beleive in the ideal of carma, than understanding other things are possible becomes a lot easier[/B[/B]].[/QUOTE]


Well I don't know about other people, but I for one have trouble rejecting stastical laws because you claim your buddies have won a lot of money. Sorry that I'm not willing to take you on your word on this as of yet, but the only specific information that you have offered - that the past impacts the present in measurable statistical terms - is quite ludicrous. This isn't me persecuting you or hating on your success, that's just the way it is. I'd love to hear more about the theory before I unfairly dismiss it, but you have only offered two pieces of info (3 reds increases the chance of black and it has worked for my buddies, trust me!). I know you aren't trying to convert me or anyone else here but I would like some more info just for the sake of discussion.

As for Karma, I would like to believe in it but I would certainly reject any statistical analysis that incorporates it as a factor.

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LOL! I can't believe this topic came back up. Actually, I have what I call a "comfort system" when playing roulette. Essentially, it's a pattern that makes me feel like I'm in control...until black/red is rolled 7 times in a row and I've lost $180.

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The reason jsarno won't fully discuss his system publicly is because he's not confident enough in it himself to go out and make a living by using it.

Simple logic:

Per jsarno, the system works over the long haul. You may lose battles, but you'll win wars.

Therefore, over the long haul, there is no risk. You will win in the long term.

So if there's no risk, why not quit the job you were complaining about a few months ago when considering moving to Denver, and just use your system in Vegas to get extraordinarily rich, and retire to do whatever floats your boat?

There's a reason people spend the time writing a book about these things. It's easier to dupe uneducated morons into believing in gambling systems than it is to get one to actually work, in the long haul, by yourself.

In my opinion, writing a book on the matter, trying to convince people it works, is unethical (unless you really are dumb enough to ignore the laws of statistics and actually buy into it, but given that you have an MBA you have been through stat classes, so either you flunked that class or you're just flat out unethical). That's why I'm so critical of you. What you're doing with the book is flat out wrong.

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We aen't really talking about stats. We are talking about statistical/mathimatical laws. Many of these laws are pretty obvious, at least I thought they were.

1+1 = 2 I doubt many would argue that

Given a coin with two sides there are only 2 outcomes and each is just as likely.

I think jsarno believes there is some more cosmic and karmic forces at work. Please correct me if I am wrong.

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Total thread hijack, but I dont think jsnaro believes there is some kind of karma.

he is adamant that his system works based ON stat and math. I really want to see how this book will refute basic statistics/logic.

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[QUOTE=hooskins;423597]Total thread hijack, but I dont think jsnaro believes there is some kind of karma.

he is adamant that his system works based ON stat and math. I really want to see how this book will refute basic statistics/logic.[/QUOTE]

karma is definitely involved, he's says as much if you scroll back a few posts

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[quote=hooskins;423597]Total thread hijack, but I dont think jsnaro believes there is some kind of karma.

he is adamant that his system works based ON stat and math. I really want to see how this book will refute basic statistics/logic.[/quote]

Actually I think FRPLG is right, thinking back to the last time we talked about this, jsarno said something insane about "the universe tending to even itself out" or some such nonsense. He thinks it's that cosmic force that actually increases the probabilities of red and black at different times.

:yeahright

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[QUOTE=DynamiteRave;423495]Whats the probability of it landing on its side? ;)[/QUOTE]
In roulette, The equivalent is landing on a Zero or Double Zero.
The odds are 1 and 37 in doing so.

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[quote=jamf;423609]In roulette, The equivalent is landing on a Zero or Double Zero.
The odds are 1 and 37 in doing so.[/quote]

And therein lies the house's advantage that is impossible to beat.

To play any single number on the board, you have a one in 37 chance of hitting it (one in 38 if the wheel has 0 and 00). But if you hit it, you only get paid 36 times your bet.

That's why you lose in the long run. Inevitably. Without fail. Go ahead, make a random number generator in excel, from one to 37. Try it out.

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How is this not locked yet? :D

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[quote=Buster;423627]How is this not locked yet? :D[/quote]

Because we're still discussing loose change here! lol

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;422983]Drew, help me out here. Am I not trying to restore some sense of civility here?[/QUOTE]


After seeing where this thing was headed, I checked out. I just cannot handle all of the Warpath on Warpath crime.

Glad to see that this didn't end as badly as it once was.

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[quote=Buster;423627]How is this not locked yet? :D[/quote]

Karma and gambling?

C'mon, it doesn't get much better than that.

This thread is open for pure entertainment value.

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[quote=drew54;423648]After seeing where this thing was headed, I checked out. I just cannot handle all of the Warpath on Warpath crime.

Glad to see that this didn't end as badly as it once was.[/quote]


LOL @ Warpath on Warpath crime

This thread has DEF evolved from it's previous state. Straight from "scientifical" evidence to karma and gambling. What a world....lol

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Ok I looked back at the posts and I now see the "karma" factor...
I really don't know what to think about all this...

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[quote=hooskins;423663]Ok I looked back at the posts and I now see the "karma" factor...
I really don't know what to think about all this...[/quote]

There's really not much a logical, rational human being can think other than he's cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs.

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Wow, I'm glad I'm not a betting woman... All this gambling talk has got my head going in circles. I might start spitting pea soup.

I'll just stick to slots. Anyone have any probability stats on those? :D

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[QUOTE=DynamiteRave;423670]Wow, I'm glad I'm not a betting woman... All this gambling talk has got my head going in circles. I might start spitting pea soup.

I'll just stick to slots. Anyone have any probability stats on those? :D[/QUOTE]


Yes, Somewhat...
Slot machines are not based on probability of winning, they are based on return percentages.
The return percentage is how much of your money the machine return on average. The state of Nevada has a mandated payout minimum of 75%. Most casinos in Las Vegas have a return of 92%. Some casinos will even advertise the payouts!

The return percentage can differ from machine to machine and is based over the life of the machine.

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[quote=jamf;423673]Yes, Somewhat...
Slot machines are not based on probability of winning, they are based on return percentages.
The return percentage is how much of your money the machine return on average. The state of Nevada has a mandated payout minimum of 75%. Most casinos in Las Vegas have a return of 92%. Some casinos will even advertise the payouts!

The return percentage can differ from machine to machine and is based over the life of the machine.[/quote]

DISCLAIMER: I'll admit when it comes to statistics and math I'm terribly stupid. I know no knowledge of statistics and probability! I haven't taken a class on it yet and when I do, I'll probably just squeak by with a C-. So if/when I say something stupid, I know I am. :) I'm just feeling my way through this. Don't kill me. :D

Alright so onwards to my question.. So basically I have a much better chance of receiving a payout at a Vegas machine compared to a machine elsewhere?

Does the probability of receiving a jackpot payout vary as well?

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[QUOTE=DynamiteRave;423678]

Alright so onwards to my question.. So basically I have a much better chance of receiving a payout at a Vegas machine compared to a machine elsewhere?

Does the probability of receiving a jackpot payout vary as well?[/QUOTE]

Not necessarily, Casinos control the payouts. They will increase the payout range to the low to mid 90's to give the impression that the machines are hot.
I'm sure atlantic City and other places have similar payouts compared to vegas.

as far as the probability of hitting the jackpot, It depends on the machine and and how many lines, reels and icons per reel.

Example From [url=http://www.goingtovegas.com/kpv-slot.htm]Going To Vegas[/url]:
Lets take a simplified example of a three-reel machine. If a machine has 10 symbols on each reel, and there are two "blank" positions between each symbol, that's 30 positions on each reel. A three-reel machine gives 303 or 27,000 possible results that you could get when you pull the handle or press the "Spin" button. A fair number of these possible results will give smaller, partial payouts, but there's only a 1 in 27,000 chance that the combination of numbers that represents the machine's jackpot will be generated. Because the random numbers are generated so frequently and so rapidly, the combination of numbers that correspond to this 1 in 27,000 jackpot position of the reels could be generated quite frequently (relatively speaking). It's the probability that you will pull the handle or hit the "Spin" button at the precise moment that they are generated is what is very low.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;423678]Alright so onwards to my question.. So basically I have a much better chance of receiving a payout at a Vegas machine compared to a machine elsewhere?

Does the probability of receiving a jackpot payout vary as well?[/quote]

Hey, there's never anything wrong with not knowing about something, acknowledging it, and yearning to learn more. That's great. What I've got a beef with is saying you know all about it, yet assert something completely contradictory to mathematic principles that are generally accepted as law.

On to the answer, it's not necessarily that you'll receive "a payout." It's that you'll get more of your money back.

A machine paying on average 92% payout means that for every dollar you play, you are likely to get 92 cents back. That may come in the form of winning a dollar every four or five times you play that quarter, or it may come in the form of dealing with a major cold streak until you hit a major jackpot, or somewhere in between. Now, you should note, that if you play a machine long enough, you'll get real close to that advertised payout of 92 cents per dollar played. But most people don't play that long. So what ends up happening is you catch the cold streak before the big payout, run out of money, and finish up your day as a loser. Or perhaps you come into the machine after it's had a big cold streak, and you happen to catch a big payoff.

So the payback % isn't necessarily about how often you'll win. It's about how much the casino's machines pay out on average.

Also, I definitely have to say that just because a machine has been cold for a while doesn't mean it's inevitably due for a big payoff. They program some machines to be big losers, and others (generally near entries and doors) to be bigger winners. So there's no system you can apply to it (though people will try). That's why they're such moneymakers for the casinos. So when you add up all the losing machines in the place with all the winning machines in the place, it comes out to a 92% payoff percentage. But there's no way to tell which are the winning machines and which aren't. It's just luck, that's why they call it gambling!

As long as you head to the casino with the expectation that you're going to lose some money, and you're comfortable with losing a certain amount, you'll be sure to have a good time. The morons who go in with the intention of making money are the ones you see pulling their hair out and later lying in the gutter while drinking an MD 20/20.

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And piggybacking off of Jamf's last post, it's not that casino's "program" certain machines to be winners and losers. Certain machines have different configurations that lead to certain payouts. Some are configured to pay you back at like 97.5%, others are configured at like 90%, and some still at a crappy 80%. And it's really tough to tell which machines are which. So casinos generally put the 97.5% machines near their entrances, because all that "ding ding ding" near the doors tends to draw people in.

So it's not about the casinos playing funny business and monkeying with the machines to pay you whatever they want, it's simply about them owning a mix of good paying machines and bad paying machines, placing them throughout their casino in strategic positions based on studies of human behavior in order to achieve the overall % payout they're looking for.

After all, a 92% payout means they earn eight cents per dollar played. That's how they roll.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;423579]The reason jsarno won't fully discuss his system publicly is because he's not confident enough in it himself to go out and make a living by using it.

Simple logic:

Per jsarno, the system works over the long haul. You may lose battles, but you'll win wars.

Therefore, over the long haul, there is no risk. You will win in the long term.

So if there's no risk, why not quit the job you were complaining about a few months ago when considering moving to Denver, and just use your system in Vegas to get extraordinarily rich, and retire to do whatever floats your boat?

There's a reason people spend the time writing a book about these things. It's easier to dupe uneducated morons into believing in gambling systems than it is to get one to actually work, in the long haul, by yourself.

In my opinion, writing a book on the matter, trying to convince people it works, is unethical (unless you really are dumb enough to ignore the laws of statistics and actually buy into it, but given that you have an MBA you have been through stat classes, so either you flunked that class or you're just flat out unethical). That's why I'm so critical of you. What you're doing with the book is flat out wrong.[/QUOTE]

Now you can lock this thread mods cause I am about to do what I usually don't.

Schneed ...you are bar none the biggest asshole on this site. The reason people don't like you here is cause you talk soooo much shit when you don't know what you're talking about. Is it a little penis syndrome...probably.
I have explained over and over to you that you CAN NOT be rich with this system of make a living off it cause it's not a "break the bank" system. I even went so far as to tell you in the past that if you played every day for a year using my system that you would only win around 60k. Yet you ignore everything I say? It's for fun and small winnings you piece of shit. I even gave you the bare basics and asked you to try it for free, and you didn't. Why? Cause you'd rather be prick that points his pussy little finger at others and points out flaws. Well good for you Schneed, you must be a really big man sitting there not trying a thing and "guessing" that it wouldn't work because of your so called education. You are the most narrow minded individual I have ever had the displeasure of knowing...internet or not. You are the typical fart sniffer.
It has nothing to do with you being critical, if it was, you would have stopped commenting on me a LONG TIME ago...so everyone should ask themselves, "why is schneed still going, when jsarno chose to stop and discuss things via PM?" Cause Schneed doesn't know how to handle himself with dignity and class, and he has his own little world that he lives in that exists only in his head. To put down others makes Schneed feel better cause he likely has a dead end job and a failed marriage or relationship (quite possibly the best relationship he has is with his right hand), and of COURSE none of it was his fault. His life sucks, and it's everyone else's fault...right schneed? Why else would you LIVE for going on a website and ignoring everything that people tell you and then point out over and over and over and over and over and over what you think, and don't even display it as opinion, but fact? We heard you the first time you egomaniacal putz. Why do you think no one wanted you at the game last year schneed? It's not cause you're a "hell-u-va" guy! Now do us all a favor, and for one ****ing time in your life, shut your damn pie hole. Be a credit to this site, not a damn self imposed judge, jury, and executioner. The fact that there was a joke here about how there would only be 10 people on this site if you were a mod speaks VOLUMES about your character.

I want to publicly apologize to everyone here for this post, and if mods see fit to ban me for a little while, I will accept with no fuss. My comments are uncalled for, for everyone to see anyway. I can just no longer take schneed's B.S. I have sat back and watched him be rude to person after person after person with little to no consequences, and I am tired of him berading people over and over again. It's enough...someone needed to say it. This site has gotten me through a lot of rough times, and I feel that a lot of you are like family, I enjoy coming to this site. But I usually have to scroll past a schneed post as it belittles someone, or it is just a "retarded thread" comment. I have had enough, and I could be silent about it no longer. I feel I lost quite a few IQ points just writing this post, but I feel it needed to be said. Again, I apologize to EVERYONE, EXCEPT Schneed. The rest of you didn't need to see this.

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I thought Schneed did try your method last year around this time?

Regardless, while I-among several other people here-simply don't see how your system can possibly work considering the laws of probability and statiscs, if you believe it works more power to you. And you're right there is no need to continue berating each other over it.

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Okay, I finally figured out how to tie the original thread topic into the current one...

By switching the thread title from Loose Change to Choose Lange. Who the hell is Lange you might ask? [URL="http://www.biomath.medsch.ucla.edu/faculty/klange/klange.htm"]Kenneth Lange [/URL]to be exact. Simply one of the smartest mathematicians specializing in statistical probability and numerical analysis.

{sigh} I love the offseason...

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I don't believe I have been this much entertained since the thread about question #3! I, of course, can't comment on everything that has been discussed, so this my abbreviated answer. Forgive me if I'm leaving anything out.

Conspiracy theories will cause you to lose any sense joy in life. I'm quite active with politics and government, but my life goes far beyond the things I can't directly control. 9/11 was a horrible day and I will honor those who lost their lives that day. But you know, that was almost seven years ago. Let's worry about what we have in the present.

I can't really add much with the gambling. I've never went to a casino before, and have never bought a lottery ticket in my life. The way I see it, I feel blessed to have the money I have. If I was going to basically give it all way, I'd give it to a local charity or church. But heck, if you like to gamble, that's cool. I usually wind up blowing my money on computer and stereo equipment..lol! I guess maybe I'm one of those guys that Rings used to beat up on in high school (hahaha not really. Never lost a fight in school! ;-0)

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[QUOTE=724Skinsfan;423747]Okay, I finally figured out how to tie the original thread topic into the current one...

By switching the thread title from Loose Change to Choose Lange. Who the hell is Lange you might ask? [URL="http://www.biomath.medsch.ucla.edu/faculty/klange/klange.htm"]Kenneth Lange [/URL]to be exact. Simply one of the smartest mathematicians specializing in statistical probability and numerical analysis.

{sigh} I love the offseason...[/QUOTE]

LOL...wait, I thought Ken Lange was the guy who played Isaac on The Love Boat??

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;423693]
After all, a 92% payout means they earn eight cents per dollar played. That's how they roll.[/QUOTE]

Exactly.

This is the proper way to look at it. Every dollar you spend THEY MAKE 8 cents.

Extrapolate this over a large sample and it shows the picture.

Casinos in Vegas traffic close to $100,000,000 a DAY. The 92% being talked about is actually a relatively GOOD payout for a casino game. And let's be honest, all the games are in the end the same. You are betting on something happening that is more than likely NOT going to happen. That is the house advantage. If you use the 8% as the MAX the casinos are winnig (and it is probably very far from the max. They are actually probably pulling in the nieghborhood of 13-17%) Then vegas casinos make 8 MILLION DOLLARS A DAY. That is a normal day. A big day like Superbowl Sunday or a fight day and they are easily clearing 30 mil. It is how they stay in busniess. It is how the can afford to comp so much. It is how winning at roulette as a rule is impossible.

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Though, in Jsarno's defense, if the goal is to go into the night, and [B]quit as soon as any money is made,[/B] the probability of leaving with less than you started with is pretty low.

Of course, you get that one bad string of luck where you keep playing to try to finish above, you lose many months of work by the system.

Sample size is totally going to eat the system up every time. Doyle Brunson (many time poker champ) used to say that he would play a lot more hands when his luck was running hot because he 1) made better decisions, and 2) could capitalize on his luck run while sitting tight during a period of cold cards.

The difference between Roulette and Poker is that Sample Size will eventually kill any Roulette system if you play long enough, where a poker player can continue to profit at the expense of the other players.

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[quote=jsarno;423712]Now you can lock this thread mods cause I am about to do what I usually don't.

Schneed ...you are bar none the biggest asshole on this site. The reason people don't like you here is cause you talk soooo much shit when you don't know what you're talking about. Is it a little penis syndrome...probably.
I have explained over and over to you that you CAN NOT be rich with this system of make a living off it cause it's not a "break the bank" system. I even went so far as to tell you in the past that if you played every day for a year using my system that you would only win around 60k. Yet you ignore everything I say? It's for fun and small winnings you piece of shit. I even gave you the bare basics and asked you to try it for free, and you didn't. Why? Cause you'd rather be prick that points his pussy little finger at others and points out flaws. Well good for you Schneed, you must be a really big man sitting there not trying a thing and "guessing" that it wouldn't work because of your so called education. You are the most narrow minded individual I have ever had the displeasure of knowing...internet or not. You are the typical fart sniffer.
It has nothing to do with you being critical, if it was, you would have stopped commenting on me a LONG TIME ago...so everyone should ask themselves, "why is schneed still going, when jsarno chose to stop and discuss things via PM?" Cause Schneed doesn't know how to handle himself with dignity and class, and he has his own little world that he lives in that exists only in his head. To put down others makes Schneed feel better cause he likely has a dead end job and a failed marriage or relationship (quite possibly the best relationship he has is with his right hand), and of COURSE none of it was his fault. His life sucks, and it's everyone else's fault...right schneed? Why else would you LIVE for going on a website and ignoring everything that people tell you and then point out over and over and over and over and over and over what you think, and don't even display it as opinion, but fact? We heard you the first time you egomaniacal putz. Why do you think no one wanted you at the game last year schneed? It's not cause you're a "hell-u-va" guy! Now do us all a favor, and for one ****ing time in your life, shut your damn pie hole. Be a credit to this site, not a damn self imposed judge, jury, and executioner. The fact that there was a joke here about how there would only be 10 people on this site if you were a mod speaks VOLUMES about your character.

I want to publicly apologize to everyone here for this post, and if mods see fit to ban me for a little while, I will accept with no fuss. My comments are uncalled for, for everyone to see anyway. I can just no longer take schneed's B.S. I have sat back and watched him be rude to person after person after person with little to no consequences, and I am tired of him berading people over and over again. It's enough...someone needed to say it. This site has gotten me through a lot of rough times, and I feel that a lot of you are like family, I enjoy coming to this site. But I usually have to scroll past a schneed post as it belittles someone, or it is just a "retarded thread" comment. I have had enough, and I could be silent about it no longer. I feel I lost quite a few IQ points just writing this post, but I feel it needed to be said. Again, I apologize to EVERYONE, EXCEPT Schneed. The rest of you didn't need to see this.[/quote]

LOL!!!

A summary for those who missed it, jsarno said something idiotic (his gambling system works), I called him idiotic, and now he acts idiotic. If it quacks like a duck...

You even convicted yourself further here as the Warpath Village Idiot by saying that your system will only win you 60K in a year. If you want to up those rewards, you easily can by heading over to the high roller tables where you can bet thousands per spin. Simply do the math, if it supposedly always works at low betting levels, it will always work on higher betting levels too (a roulette wheel is a roulette wheel no matter how much you're betting). There's no risk, right? So sell your house, cash in your 401K, close your bank accounts, and head to Vegas. You'll have pockets deep enough to execute your system with $100 to $1000 bets per spin. If it always works, what's the risk? You could make much more than $60K per year, well into the 6 figures.

But you're the expert on the system, I guess karma only works on the $10 tables?

As for your comments, they're so childish (no surprise there) that they don't deserve a response, except to say that if I've got a reputation around here, it's for calling it as I see it. And the way I see this? You're either:

1) A guy writing a book on a system in an attempt to prey upon the uneducated, hoping to sell books under the farce that a gambling system can mathematically work, or

2) You actually believe the system works, despite taking stat classes as part of your MBA curriculum, and are so hardheaded that you can't listen to countless educated statistics people on this site who tell you you're wrong.

That's how I see it, and either way I'm not a fan.

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I think we should leave it alone at this point. Clearly, I think the majority of us don't buy into jsarno's system-to me, it just doesn't make sense-but if he believes it works then let him believe it. It's not our money he's gambling away. No one's mind is going to change on this so why force it any longer?

Re: Loose Change
 

Yeah, I'm not going to get into a childish war involving namecalling because it's pointless. I'll continue to debate the notion that any gambling system can work until I'm blue in the face, but a namecalling match doesn't interest me.

I will, however, note that I've received recent rep points for my arguments within this thread. Someone, who shall remain nameless, referred to you as a nice guy jsarno, but seeing you so hardheaded and unwilling to listen to reason made them take some kind of pleasure in seeing a strong argument go against you. More than one person took enough pleasure in it to give me positive rep points.

The rep points aren't my goal, I could care less about them. But it makes a key point; while you're busy worrying about being friendly and getting along, I'm worried about being right.

Being right doesn't mean I have to be an ass about it, for sure. But there are people out there who are enjoying seeing you get dressed down, because you're more than just trying to be friendly, you're ignoring reason. And people don't like that. So if you want to have this wonderful family atmosphere here on the Warpath, where everybody loves you and gets you through tough times, try listening to them.