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[QUOTE=Eknox;450394]Guy's we only gave up a 7th round pick for the guy I think it's worth the gamble...And having his old college line coach John Palermo only makes me feel confident he will contribute..Who knows him better?[/QUOTE]

Just tired of giving up draft picks for anyone. Most of us were fine with giving up picks for Lloyd and Duckett until the draft showed up and we were light on picks. Not that a 7th round is that valuable, but a guy with his history should not warrant a pick.
Like I said, I am going to be positive about this and HOPE he plays to his potential.

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A 7th round pick for an unknown is the same whether it's in the draft or on a former number one pick with injury trouble. The talent was there prior to the draft, so maybe if he can get healthy, we just got a steal?

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for a 7th round pick its a no brainer man. if he is healthy, he makes the team and cost us a 7th? if not we cut him and keep our 7th? no big deal. i do like his chances if he is healthy, alot better than the DE we just drafted in the 7th round! the only bad part of this deal is almost puts an end to my jason taylor to the skins hopes!

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James update, physical now scheduled for tomorrow.

[url=http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/]Redskins Insider[/url]

Erasmus James Update

The Skins new DE reported to Redskins Park today but did not take his physical. It's now scheduled for Thursday.

The Redskins are not concerned about his ability to pass the medical tests and are viewing the deal with the Vikings as a completed trade even though James failed his physical with Minnesota. They aren't worried about it, and these physicals are often highly subjective as well with the standards varying by team. If you really want a guy to pass a physical and he has all his limbs then it can pretty much happen. (I know of several teams in recent years that failed current Redskins Rocky McIntosh, Stephon Heyer and Malcom Kelly coming out of college, for instance).

As I noted yesterday, you can't knock this move. James has some upside and yes the ACL is a concern both short and long-term. But for a 7th round pick, why not take a shot? Especially with such an overt need at his position.

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It's a 7th rounder. who cares. We gave the pick to ensure we got him, there were 20 teams ahead of us that could of picked him up off the waiver wire. We must not need picks if we are drafting punters in the 6th round. Does anyone know how many punters were taken this year? Only 1. We could of signed an undrafted Punter. So a seventh rounder for a 1st round player is not that big deal, even with his injury history.

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I say we sell the team and start a wiffleball league. I love wiffleball.

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[quote=WaldSkins;450409]It's a 7th rounder. who cares. We gave the pick to ensure we got him, there were 20 teams ahead of us that could of picked him up off the waiver wire. We must not need picks if we are drafting punters in the 6th round. Does anyone know how many punters were taken this year? Only 1. We could of signed an undrafted Punter. So a seventh rounder for a 1st round player is not that big deal, even with his injury history.[/quote]

I'll maintain my wait and see approach on EJ. But at this point there is nothing lost and nothing gained, yet.

We must not need picks if we are drafting a punter in the 6th round of the draft for Durant Brooks at selection #168?

Why so?

Since he was the only punter picked in this years draft, and we need competition for frost. I'm sure glad we picked what should certainly become the future punter of the Redskins (Maybe this year) and happened to be the #1 punter in the draft.

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It seems as if people are very high on James. I know he was a 1st round pick, but what makes people think he actually will be something special? (a genuine question)

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[quote=jsarno;450419]It seems as if people are very high on James. I know he was a 1st round pick, but what makes people think he actually will be something special? (a genuine question)[/quote]Had a good rookie season, would have improved if not beset by injury. He's a complete player who plays the run well. He's only 25.

I think that about covers everything nice to say about the guy,

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;450420]Had a good rookie season, would have improved if not beset by injury. He's a complete player who plays the run well. He's only 25.

I think that about covers everything nice to say about the guy,[/QUOTE]

I never watched him play...but I don't think 4 sacks in 15 games is "good". However, he sounds like a good "chance player" if what you say is correct.
Does anyone have a link to his college days, or a compilation of his NFL plays?

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[quote=jsarno;450421]I never watched him play...but I don't think 4 sacks in 15 games is "good". However, he sounds like a good "chance player" if what you say is correct.
Does anyone have a link to his college days, or a compilation of his NFL plays?[/quote]Only 9 starts though, almost a sack per two starts...as a rookie. That's pretty much the status quo for a pass rushing prospect. If he starts all 16, you'd like to see 6-7 sacks his rookie year.

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The defense has a new [url=http://www.amazon.com/Erasmus-James-Galactic-Zapp-Machine/dp/1920923551/ref=cm_pdp_review_teaser_product]nickname[/url]

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[quote=jsarno;450419]It seems as if people are very high on James. I know he was a 1st round pick, but what makes people think he actually will be something special? (a genuine question)[/quote]

Solid sack numbers in limited time, as GTripp mentioned. But more importantly, to play for Blache you need to be pretty strong at the point of attack to hold up against the run. He's pretty good at that. Very physical guy, plays a bit bigger than his listed weight of 265. If he can stay healthy and conditioned, he's got potential to be an every-down DE, as opposed to a pass-rushing specialist.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;450424]The defense has a new [url=http://www.amazon.com/Erasmus-James-Galactic-Zapp-Machine/dp/1920923551/ref=cm_pdp_review_teaser_product]nickname[/url][/QUOTE]

Where in the hell do you come up with this stuff???

Do you just sit at your computer and randomly google names???

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[QUOTE=JoeRedskin;450426]Where in the hell do you come up with this stuff???

Do you just sit at your computer and randomly google names???[/QUOTE]

Well yeah...don't you??

Actually, this particular nugget was in the Washington Post.

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i gotta say, i don't know why people are so down on this. he makes 800k this year, 1 mill next year and the skins have ZERO risk or liability if they want to toss him because they think he blinks or some such.

and railing against brooks in the 6th is a REAL stretch. if he had gone in the 4th no one would have been surprised. as a prospect he's WAY above where frost was, and he has a good shot at becoming a top 5 or 10 punter in his career. he was a great value for his potential in the 6th round, and any team would have looked good taking him that late.

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Watch the video Nightly News 5-28 at Redskins.com, and around the 2:30 mark Erasmus says (gulp), that he is a giants fan......
[url=http://www.redskins.com/]Washington Redskins[/url]

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[quote=That Guy;450430][B]i gotta say, i don't know why people are so down on this[/B]. he makes 800k this year, 1 mill next year and the skins have ZERO risk or liability if they want to toss him because they think he blinks or some such.

and railing against brooks in the 6th is a REAL stretch. if he had gone in the 4th no one would have been surprised. as a prospect he's WAY above where frost was, and he has a good shot at becoming a top 5 or 10 punter in his career. he was a great value for his potential in the 6th round, and any team would have looked good taking him that late.[/quote]

People have to complain about something, you know how it goes.

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[quote=Mattyk72;450440]People have to complain about something, you know how it goes.[/quote]

I can't believe this guy has gotten 12 pages.

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[quote=Defensewins;450354]It was a complete tear both in 07 and 06.
According to the Vikings both surgeries were considered major, meaning ACL graft/replacement. Last year 2007-2008 season Erasmus James' comeback from major knee surgery lasted all of three or four plays. He tore his ACL again after just a few plays. According to USA Today. This guy is a long shot.[/quote]

It sounds like this guy is another Courtney Brown from Penn State. But honestly who cares? When do 7th round draft picks ever pan out? I don't have a problem with this at all.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;450444]I can't believe this guy has gotten 12 pages.[/QUOTE]

Just goes to show you that we all know how important the DE position is, and how it has been relatively neglected.

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[quote=skinsfan69;450447]It sounds like this guy is another Courtney Brown from Penn State. But honestly who cares? When do 7th round draft picks ever pan out? I don't have a problem with this at all.[/quote]

Courtney Brown? never heard of him! :)

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[quote=skinsfan69;450444]I can't believe this guy has gotten 12 pages.[/quote]

In a 'normal' 21st century skins offseason, he wouldn't have gotten 5 cause there was always some other drama or acquisitions to talk about. Nowadays, we have little else to dwell on, which I'm not complaining about in any way.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;450425]Solid sack numbers in limited time, as GTripp mentioned. But more importantly, to play for Blache you need to be pretty strong at the point of attack to hold up against the run. He's pretty good at that. Very physical guy, plays a bit bigger than his listed weight of 265. If he can stay healthy and conditioned, he's got potential to be an every-down DE, as opposed to a pass-rushing specialist.[/QUOTE]

He's pretty light to fight off the run.
Some of the stuff I have read about this guy indicates his weakness is against the run.

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maj[quote=skinsnut;450466]He's pretty light to fight off the run.
Some of the stuff I have read about this guy indicates his weakness is against the run.[/quote]A majority of guys who like to get in to the opposing blocker's pads as his first move also put themselves in very good position against the run, regardless of their size.

Normally, the issue with 265 pound ends is that they feel they can't afford to do this, because once they are engaged, the blocker will just overpower them. So guys like Chris Wilson, Elvis Dumerville, Dwight Freeney, they just try to get a step and beat the tackle around the edge.

That's not really James' game though, so we can trust that he's tougher against the run than his size indicates, and that he's capable at LE.

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There are three reasons this trade will work:

1. Our team culture - Gibbs was a stabilizing influence during his tenure here. He managed to create a veteran-driven culture of accountability on this team and it showed when we brought in a guy like Fred Smoot, who incidentally floundered in Minnesota, and he managed to turn his career around because he was suddenly in a culture that wouldn't tolerate any BS and this allowed him to simply focus on Football.

2. Our coaching staff - Greg Blache has gained a reputation as being a guy who can get the most out of his talent. Look at what he has done in terms of developing younger guys who were really no-names (Wilson, Evans, Montgomery, Golston) and resurrecting a guy like Andre Carter's career. In James, Blache will get a guy who is more physically talented than anyone he currently has (other than Carter).

3. Lack of expectations - Coming into the Redskins James is literally valued at a 7th round pick. He was close to being cut by an NFL team only two years after he was heralded as a future star. The expectations are low and that will take a lot of pressure of James. He is not expected to contribute right-away and that will allow him to learn from Blache and the other veterans on this line and build himself into a contributor.

Ultimately, I think that provided he stays healthy, James can honestly be a solid contributor to this defense.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;450369]From JLC and Redskins Insider:

"Also, I screwed something up yesterday and, like a moron, forgot what year it was (seriously) when looking at Erasmus James's contract. Indeed he does have a $1 million salary left on his contract ... but that's in 2009. [B][B]In 2008 he will earn $695,000 if he makes the Redskins[/B].[/B] So he has two seasons left on his deal."

[url=http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2008/05/santana_mosss_bday_basheswaiti.html]Santana Moss's Charity Bashes/Waiting For Erasmus - Redskins Insider[/url][/QUOTE]


That is a fantastic deal..plus it gives us leverage for a 2nd year too.
Much better than initially thought....now we have more reason to fully rehab this guy. Not to mention he only gets paid if he plays in a game in 08.
I'm really happy about this now.

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[quote=skinsfan69;450444]I can't believe this guy has gotten 12 pages.[/quote]

If you set your post per page to 40 then this thread is only 5 pages...which isn't so bad.

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Included in those 12 (now 13) pages are about 1-page worth of posts commenting on how many posts this thread has.

And now make it one post commenting on how ridiculous it is to comment repreatedly on how many posts this thread has.

Yes, I recognize the irony.

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[QUOTE=Drift Reality;450474]3. Lack of expectations - Coming into the Redskins James is literally valued at a 7th round pick. He was close to being cut by an NFL team only two years after he was heralded as a future star. The expectations are low and that will take a lot of pressure of James. [B]He is not expected to contribute right-away and that will allow him to learn from Blache and the other veterans on this line and build himself into a contributor[/B].[/QUOTE]

that's a point that i've been considering as well. being that his surgery wasn't that long ago, (assuming he makes the roster) i'd like to see this kid put on the PUP list and then see where he's at midway through the season, both physically and in the system.

there's no question the kid has talent, we need to let that knee heal up to maximize it.

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I just wanted to throw my opinion in on this...Watching him in Wisconsin I think this will be a steal in the long run. (Crosses fingers that injurys are over with)

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[quote=Schneed10;450494]Included in those 12 (now 13) pages are about 1-page worth of posts commenting on how many posts this thread has.

And now make it one post commenting on how ridiculous it is to comment repreatedly on how many posts this thread has.

Yes, I recognize the irony.[/quote]

Then theres another 3 pages of people saying "low risk high reward." "If we cut him no big deal we lose a 7th round pick." Which as I mentioned before is true but when people find 45 different ways to say it, well for me i'ts like nails on a chalkboard. Like for example this is from another forum....lol

[I]Good move IMO. Low risk, high potential upside[/I]

[I]It is also a conditional 7th rounder, so if he washes out, they get nothing[/I]

I really like this move. Hopefully Palermo can hope him realize his full potential and he can avoid the injuries that plagued his first few years in the league. [I]Even if he doesn't pan out...we honestly don't lose that much. Great move FO[/I]

[I]I like the move - you really can't complain if we don't get much out of him for a 7th.[/I]

[I]If he doesn't work out then we lose a 7th rounder.
If does good (what is the condition) on the 7th rounder?[/I]

[I]Really nothing to lose here.[/I] Good move by the FO. I can't believe it but I've typed that a few times since the first day of the draft

[I]Conditional 7th in 2009. great move considering this guy was a 1st rounder. If he gets over injuries and becomes a good player, then well worth it. If not, not a whole lot lost.[/I]

[I]it looks like if he doesnt work out that the vikes get nothing the condition is that if he does work they get a 7th rounder...[/I]

[I]i think our front office is retarded, but giving up conditional 7th rounders for a potential impact player is a good move.[/I]

[I]If this guy is healthy, we just got our 2nd best DE...
...for a 7th round pick![/I]



[I]This is a low risk move that could really pay off - especially if he has something to prove now.[/I]


Hello...Genius...
The conditional is in the Redskins' favor.
[I]If James works out, the Vikings get a 7th round pick, if he doesn't, they get nothing.[/I]

[I]I like this trade. If it works out, awesome. If it doesn't... We lose a 7th round pick.[/I]

[I]Low risk high reward. If he works out we're out of a 7th rounder. If he's garbage then we lose nothing[/I]. We obviously swung the deal because there'd be a chance he'd get claimed off the wire before our turn. The guys that are complaining that we could have had him for free are overlooking all the other teams that would have had a chance to land him before us.


Exactly.

[I]If he works out, and plays good for the Redskins, then Washington got a 1st round player for a 7th round pick.

If he doesn't work out and the Redskins release him, they keep their 7th round pick, and lose nothing.[/I]

It's win/win. [IMG]http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif[/IMG]


[I]*Sigh* Ok you guys don't get it...if he pans out we lose a 7th round pick, if he does not, we give Minnesota NOTHING. That's why it is a conditional 7th round pick.[/I]

Alright I think I made my point. I would have done it with this forum but there was a lot more material over there. On a side note these quotes spanned only 3 pages of a 20+ page thread. The point, we know it's low risk high reward, please find another aspect of Erasmus James to talk about. Like how often players with injuries like Erasmus revert back to form, can he play LE for 3 downs if we need him to, what does this mean for the other guys on the roster.

With that said I like this move, if it works out awesome, we get a former 1st round pick that the front office liked in 2005, if not we lose nothing.

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Guys - this is low risk / high reward.

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I think this is a really good move b/c it is such a low risk / high reward.

Does anyone else agree with my analysis? If so, please repeat it endlessly.

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Lilliputian risk. Gigantic reward.

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[quote=Drift Reality;450522]Guys - this is low risk / high reward.[/quote]

[quote=wilsowilso;450524]Lilliputian risk. Gigantic reward.[/quote]

[quote=JoeRedskin;450523]I think this is a really good move b/c it is such a low risk / high reward.

Does anyone else agree with my analysis? If so, please repeat it endlessly.[/quote]

LMAO, guys that made my day.

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yes I agree...
subterranean risk / gianormous reward.

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I think this was a very scientifical move by our front office. They took a microscopic risk with the possibility of gaining an incalculable reward. Simply put, the danger posed by this aquisition is infinitesimal but the prospect of recompense is immeasurable. Further, I am even more excited by the insignificant hazard created by this transaction and the incalculable return it forbodes.

Okay. I am done now.

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Anybody got any news of James passing the physical test or not?

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This risk, she is itsy-bitsy. The reward? Oh, mama...