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Wait a minute... Westbrook....fights with teammates...lots of potential....underachiever....selfish...not a team player.....man I'm glad we don't sign guys like that to our team anymore.

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[quote=GMScud;498897]Funny, since you guys were in the hunt for him as well....[/quote]


No we were'nt,the teams that were mention were the ones he wanted to go to,I could not be any happier.

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[quote=53Fan;498928]Wait a minute... Westbrook....fights with teammates...lots of potential....underachiever....selfish...not a team player.....man I'm glad we don't sign guys like that to our team anymore.[/quote]


LOL.............hmmmmm:food-smil

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Seal the deal for now. Hall passes his physical Saturday am.

[url=http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/Redskins_Sign_Hall__Release_Torrence_26837.jsp]Redskins Sign Hall, Release Torrence[/url]

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I think this is a great deal and a win-win situation for all parties involved.

- The Redskins get depth at the CB position, getting a talented DB for a fairly cheap $$
- Hall gets the chance to prove himself in the NFL's toughest conference
- If Hall works out, we can consider keeping him; if he leaves for bigger $$ we get a compensatory pick
- If Hall doesn't work out, he's still an improvement over Torrence or Tryon
- Low investment, low risk, high rewards if things work out

I think people forget the old Redskins that would have signed (or re-signed) the likes of JT, Alexander, and D. Hall for big money. We have taken advantage of situations in which we have gotten talented players for cheap, with low risk involved.

Although we sit at 6-3, the team needed to do something different that would hopefully change something within the team to help us overcome these mediocre showings against bad teams and poor showings against the Steelers and NY Giants. Hopefully rest will help with our injuries, and acquiring Hall gives us a stronger defense.

Does anyone know if Hall can field punts? If so, we should give the guy a chance to return punts as well.

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He was pretty good at it at VT. Has'nt returned that many in the pro's.

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[quote=Ruhskins;498977]
- If Hall works out, we can consider keeping him; if he leaves for bigger $$ we get a compensatory pick
- If Hall doesn't work out, he's still an improvement over Torrence or Tryon
[/quote]

2 points.
Though it is possible to get a compensatory pick for Hall, that completely depend on the value of his future contract value AND his playing time....therefore, he'd pretty much have to start from here on out in order for us to expect any picks for him.

Other point, how can you possible state he is automatically better than Torrence?, Hall has been burned in far greater volume than Torrence. Granted, he was starting and wasnt playing nickle, but you cant automatically say he'll be better. Agreed, that he absolutely SHOULD play better, cause hes got excellent athletic ability.

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[quote=skinsnut;498989]2 points.
Though it is possible to get a compensatory pick for Hall, that completely depend on the value of his future contract value AND his playing time....therefore, he'd pretty much have to start from here on out in order for us to expect any picks for him.

Other point, how can you possible state he is automatically better than Torrence?, Hall has been burned in far greater volume than Torrence. Granted, he was starting and wasnt playing nickle, but you cant automatically say he'll be better. Agreed, that he absolutely SHOULD play better, cause hes got excellent athletic ability.[/quote]

Hall has not played well, but he's been playing in a terrible team. Now he's coming to a better team, with the opportunity to prove himself. We're not asking Hall to be the number 1 corner, just to add depth to our DB group. Torrence was an average player at best, whereas Hall is a very talented. Besides, my whole point was that this is another low risk acquisition by the Redskins, that could turn out to be a good situation for the team.

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[quote=Ruhskins;499002]Hall has not played well, but he's been playing in a terrible team. Now he's coming to a better team, with the opportunity to prove himself. We're not asking Hall to be the number 1 corner, just to add depth to our DB group. Torrence was an average player at best, whereas Hall is a very talented. Besides, my whole point was that this is another low risk acquisition by the Redskins, that could turn out to be a good situation for the team.[/quote]Shaun Alexander was low(no)-risk, but he's hurt the quality of our running game.

Even when the contract value is negligible, there is still an opportunity cost of having underachieving players on the roster.

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[quote=skinsnut;498989]2 points.
Though it is possible to get a compensatory pick for Hall, that completely depend on the value of his future contract value AND his playing time....therefore, he'd pretty much have to start from here on out in order for us to expect any picks for him..[/quote]


Why ,he was cut from the Raiders,why would you get any picks?

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[quote=GTripp0012;499004]Shaun Alexander was low(no)-risk, but he's hurt the quality of our running game.

Even when the contract value is negligible, there is still an opportunity cost of having underachieving players on the roster.[/quote]
i hardly ever second guess the front office. but i really dislike the signing of Alexander. it really serves no purpose

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[quote=dmek25;499015]i hardly ever second guess the front office. but i really dislike the signing of Alexander. it really serves no purpose[/quote]

I figured to give the 2006 MVP a chance, but he hasn't showed up for us since his signing. Once Betts is healthy, or at the end of the season, I would hold on to Alexander and try to shop him around for maybe a 3rd/4th round pick. Or just cut him, either way. Portis/Betts/Cartwright is all that we need.

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Maybe trade him to the Broncos, they need a RB bad!

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This doesn't inspire much confidence...


After the Atlanta Falcons defeated the Oakland Raiders a week ago, former Falcon DeAngelo Hall waited in the tunnel for one of his former teammates — not to exchange pleasantries, but to fight.

Profootballtalk.com, citing a report on an Atlanta radio station, said Hall waited to fight an unnamed Falcon.

Falcons linebacker Keith Brooking recently mentioned the incident during a spot with Buck and Kincade on 680 The Fan in Atlanta. Here's what Brooking said, without naming the former teammate in question.

"One of our ex-players, sitting there in the tunnel, waiting on us to come through the halftime to pick a fight with one of my teammates," Brooking said. "I'm just sitting there as I'm going to the locker room thinking, ‘Geez, man, I mean, I'm so glad we're removed from all that mess.' You know, because of the camaraderie that we have as a team from a players standpoint, the relationships we've developed with our coaches. I mean, it's a great working relationship."

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[quote=davy;499027]This doesn't inspire much confidence...


After the Atlanta Falcons defeated the Oakland Raiders a week ago, former Falcon DeAngelo Hall waited in the tunnel for one of his former teammates — not to exchange pleasantries, but to fight.

Profootballtalk.com, citing a report on an Atlanta radio station, said Hall waited to fight an unnamed Falcon.

Falcons linebacker Keith Brooking recently mentioned the incident during a spot with Buck and Kincade on 680 The Fan in Atlanta. Here's what Brooking said, without naming the former teammate in question.

"One of our ex-players, sitting there in the tunnel, waiting on us to come through the halftime to pick a fight with one of my teammates," Brooking said. "I'm just sitting there as I'm going to the locker room thinking, ‘Geez, man, I mean, I'm so glad we're removed from all that mess.' You know, because of the camaraderie that we have as a team from a players standpoint, the relationships we've developed with our coaches. I mean, it's a great working relationship."[/quote]

I don't know how much truth their is behind this though, only a rumor. Still quite concerning.

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[url=http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/11/09/kiffin-encouraged-redskins-to-sign-deangelo/]ProFootballTalk.com - KIFFIN ENCOURAGED REDSKINS TO SIGN DEANGELO[/url]

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[B]Kiffin told Cerrato that he thought Hall had been [I]humbled[/I] and would be a good fit.[/B] I hope he's right. As much as he got burned in Oakland, he should be.

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This is real encouraging:

[quote]In his eight games in Oakland, Hall was beaten 40 times for 552 yards on 66 passes thrown his way, according to data compiled by STATS. He gave up more yards than any defender this season and was tied for third worst in catches allowed.[/quote]

[URL="http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d80c4c08d&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true"]Two-time Pro Bowl cornerback Hall signs with Redskins[/URL]

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Where's the on-field downside here? He's 25, 2 years removed from back to back Pro Bowl seasons, played under one of the WORST coaches in NFL history in Bobby Petrino-even Warrick Dunn had problems with Petrino, nuff said-and then the worst organization in the league so I'm willing to give him a clean slate.

Off the field, Fletcher, Springs, Campbell and other locker room leaders won't let him become a problem.

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The more I think about Hall the more I agree with you.

Notice: in the past few weeks folks on the Warpath have discussed strategies for the draft/free agency for next year. Various positions of need have been discussed:
offensive line
defensive line
linebacker
cornerback

If Hall works out, you can scratch cornerback off the list. Call it "early free agency." This could make the upcoming offseason more productive, as we can focus on other needs.

If Hall doesn't work out, we turn him loose in the winter, and have lost little.

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[quote=Mattyk72;498672]JLC has confirmed it too.[/quote]

I feel stupid asking this but what is JLC?

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[quote=cdskins26;499071]I feel stupid asking this but what is JLC?[/quote]

Jason LaCanfora. Sportswriter for The Washington Post.

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[quote=Paintrain;499049]Where's the on-field downside here? He's 25, 2 years removed from back to back Pro Bowl seasons, played under one of the WORST coaches in NFL history in Bobby Petrino-even Warrick Dunn had problems with Petrino, nuff said-and then the worst organization in the league so I'm willing to give him a clean slate.

Off the field, Fletcher, Springs, Campbell and other locker room leaders won't let him become a problem.[/quote]
Totally! Cry for the Brandon Lloyd deal, not this. No workey out? Toss him for league min........more or less

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Im glad we got him for a good price and who knows he could be Shawn Springs replacement. If he runs his mouth and acts like a jerk we cut him loose.

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[quote=53Fan;499072]Jason LaCanfora. Sportswriter for The Washington Post.[/quote]

Thanks I should have figured that out.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;498883]21!!! How dare you[/quote]


i hope he doesnt but if he does props to d hall for living up to his reputation as a "me first" player on such an innocent decision as picking a number. im impressed, hope the performance on the field is worth it even if it is only just for 1 season.

go skins!!

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[quote=over the mountain;499139]i hope he doesnt but if he does props to d hall for living up to his reputation as a "me first" player on such an innocent decision as picking a number. im impressed, hope the performance on the field is worth it even if it is only just for 1 season.

go skins!![/quote]

I can GUARANTEE you that he won't be wearing a #21 on his jersey! Or at least I'm willing to take that bet with anyone on this planet, until that decision is made!

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[quote=GTripp0012;499004]Shaun Alexander was low(no)-risk, but he's hurt the quality of our running game.

Even when the contract value is negligible, there is still an opportunity cost of having underachieving players on the roster.[/quote]

Shaun Alexander will be on the bench once Ladell Betts returns from his injury. Just like D. Hall will be on the bench behind Rogers, Springs, and Smoot if he doesn't work out.

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This is hilarious:

[QUOTE]One fact further illustrates just how bad and embarrassing Oakland’s trade for cornerback DeAngelo Hall this offseason actually was.

In addition to a fifth-round pick, the Raiders also traded a second-round pick, the 34th overall selection, to Atlanta for Hall. Well, on draft day, the Falcons wound up trading the 34th and 48th overall pick to Washington for the 21st overall pick.

Now, some six months later, the Redskins wound up with Hall and the Raiders second-round pick, which they used on Michigan State wide receiver Devon Thomas. And it cost Oakland $8 million!


link: [url=http://blogs.nfl.com/2008/11/09/redskins-even-bigger-winners-in-move-for-hall/]NFL.com Blogs » Blog Archive Redskins even bigger winners in move for Hall «[/url][/QUOTE]

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[quote=Ruhskins;499163]Shaun Alexander will be on the bench once Ladell Betts returns from his injury. Just like D. Hall will be on the bench behind Rogers, Springs, and Smoot if he doesn't work out.[/quote]

Exactly. Its a bye week, so of course this is the only thing to get worked up about.

But as nervous as we all have been to see Torrence on the field in pressure situations, won't you be a little more comfortable with Hall in that same position? All the talk about how much the guy has been picked on this year overlooks one small thing, he was playing opposite the best shut down corner in football right now in Asomugha.

I think the most telling statement came from Arthur Blank when he said that Hall just needed to grow up. Well, getting cut from Oakland and having the opportunity to play for the team he grew up wanting to play for may be the spark he needed. He's 24, he's been on top of the world (2 Pro Bowls) and through adversity. He's probably our 2nd most athletic corner right now, with Springs physicality making him numero uno.

[url=http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/11/08/blank-says-hall-needs-to-grow-up/]ProFootballTalk.com - BLANK SAYS HALL NEEDS TO GROW UP[/url]

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According to Vinnie, he consulted with Griff, and London Fletcher before pulling the trigger on the Hall deal. He says they were both HIGHLY in favor of the deal.

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I wonder if that discussion included telling them that Torrence was the most likely to be waived.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;499218]I wonder if that discussion included telling them that Torrence was the most likely to be waived.[/quote]


It probably went along the lines of...

Vinnie: "Hey Griff, London, we're thinking about dropping Leigh for some other CB. What do you guys think?"

Chorus: "Effin A!"

Vinnie: "Don't you want to know who?"

Chorus: "Does it matter?"



*Actually, Torrence wasn't all that bad in my book given his role/salary. But I'll take the prospect of what Hall could be for this team over what Torrence already is.

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Posted at 12:15 PM ET, 11/10/2008
Hall: 'This Is the Place for Me'

From Jason La Canfora:

DeAngelo Hall said he chose the Redskins over other suitors because he is from southern virginia, and grew ip dreaming of playing here. He said he hopes to have a future here well beyond the one-year deal he signed.

"I just kind of feel like this is the place for me," said Hall, who said his release from Oakland was based solely on his contract and not his conduct. Hall also said of the Skins: "it came down to what team do I feel like I have a future with."

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Hall did an int with Doc, and Kevin a little on 980am a little while ago.
It was great! He took his poison for his alleged sins of the past. He handled it well, said he wants to prove people wrong about him and hopes to have a long term future here, and best of all..........he said.....I CAN'T WAIT TO MEET THE COWBOYS!!!!
HTTR!!!!!!

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I like D Hall, I bet he works out good for us! He will take some time, but I like the depth!

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[quote=memphisskin;499190]Exactly. Its a bye week, so of course this is the only thing to get worked up about.

But as nervous as we all have been to see Torrence on the field in pressure situations, won't you be a little more comfortable with Hall in that same position? All the talk about how much the guy has been picked on this year overlooks one small thing, he was playing opposite the best shut down corner in football right now in Asomugha.

I think the most telling statement came from Arthur Blank when he said that Hall just needed to grow up. Well, getting cut from Oakland and having the opportunity to play for the team he grew up wanting to play for may be the spark he needed. He's 24, he's been on top of the world (2 Pro Bowls) and through adversity. He's probably our 2nd most athletic corner right now, with Springs physicality making him numero uno.

[url=http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/11/08/blank-says-hall-needs-to-grow-up/]ProFootballTalk.com - BLANK SAYS HALL NEEDS TO GROW UP[/url][/quote]

It'd be career suicide for D. Hall if he doesn't play well here. He has the chance to be a 3rd/4th string CB with the opportunity to play as much as a 2nd/3rd string CB (due to injuries). Whether he stays with the Redskins or goes somewhere else, he needs to prove himself on the field. I think Hall has been humbled by this situation, going from being worth picks and big $$ to being waived and having to play for almost the vet min.

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I suppose I am showing my rookie stripes with this question.
How will the continuity factor be impacted by Hall replacing Torrence? I mean setting aside any locker room factor, how hard will it be say for Landry, who is used to Torrence, and knows about how he would react in a given situation, now to play around Hall's strengths and weaknesses. I do remember Trotter and Arrington often ending up in the same spot on the field (right or wrong).
How long will it take for the secondary to adjust to Hall's reactions?

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I've seen an interview with D. Hall and one with Carlos. I liked what I saw. I've been hard on Hall but that's because I've seen him from highschool to the pros and in-between in college. I wouild like nothing better than to see him play up to his potential. Right now, there is probably no better place to get it together than with the Redskins. Our coaches and our PLAYERS I believe, are well-equipped to handle anyone that would become a distraction or put himself above team. He is fast on top of fast and 24 years old. I hope he has matured and plays well. What an AWESOME defensive backfield we will have if he does.

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Hall wears #23, having bought it from Doughty.

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