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[quote=GTripp0012;506067]Receiver Success Rate (5 targets min):

Antwaan Randle El (70%)
Chris Cooley (62.5%)
Mike Sellers (55.6%)
Malcolm Kelly (50.0%)
Santana Moss (49.4%)
Devin Thomas (44.4%)
Clinton Portis (39.3%)
James Thrash (29.4%)
Todd Yoder (28.6%)
Ladell Betts (16.7%)

The loose threshold for reliability is about 50% in this statistic. As a No. 1 WR, Moss really shouldn't be below 50%. He's still good for 9+ YPA because he's a deep threat and moves well after the catch, but the general unreliability is rubbing off on Campbell, I believe. These two are essentially tied at the hip, and it would be nice for Campbell to be able to have a different go-to guy, with Moss as an effective third down target that slips by defenses unoticed.

Though this is a pipe dream for the rest of this year.[/quote]

Gtripp, I have not read the entire thread, but what are your figures a percentage of? 50% of what?
Thanx

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[quote=redskinsgirl;506072]You are also forgetting this same time last year that NYG fans wanted to run Eli out of NY especially after the infamous Minnesota game. He was leading the leagues in fumbles and interceptions last season. I wouldn't say Eli is light years ahead of JC. Eli was an mediocre QB on a great team that why he was able to win a superbowl and consistently take the Giants to the playoffs. Statistically JC is way ahead of Manning if your trying to compare Manning of last year to JC this year.[/quote]
not to make excuses, but Eli has also had the same offensive coordinator, and the same offense, his entire time in the league

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[quote=skinsfan69;506077]Does Moss really scare anyone? To me he's just an average NFL wr or a complimentary wr who had one career year. He is what he is.[/quote]

I dont think he does. He is just average and would be a good #2 but unfortunately he's the Skins #1.

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This is an easy one. We don't score points. In order to be successfull and win games you must score points. Some reasons?
Lack of WR talent
Lack of superior QB play
Inconsistent O line play

We can get deeper into the problems but there it is.

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[quote=skinsfan69;506077]Does Moss really scare anyone? To me he's just an average NFL wr or a complimentary wr who had one career year. He is what he is.[/quote]

I think he does, that's why teams take him away.

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[quote=dmek25;506080]not to make excuses, but [B]Eli has also had the same offensive coordinator, and the same offense, his entire time in the league[/B][/quote]

I think the importance of this is taken way to lightly when it comes to Jason.

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[quote=Hog1;506078]Gtripp, I have not read the entire thread, but what are your figures a percentage of? 50% of what?
Thanx[/quote]Successful plays (defined as 45% of yards to gain on 1st, 60% on 2nd, and 100% on 3rd or 4th) divided by total targets.

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I'm sorry....I can't bear to read all the complaints. Mine will be exactly the same. What ticks me off more is that Atlanta has a better passing game with lesser talent and new QB. How can that be? Miami (with new coach and offense) was even looking better then us scoring more points per game. How can that be? Hell the Rams a horrible as they have seemed have scored more in some of their games then we have all year. How can that be?

Atlanta really ticks me though. According to Zorn this is a pass happy scoring offense. Where is it? am I missing something?

Things we need:
1. A younger O-Line.
2. A younger (healthy) D-Line.
3. A QB.
4. More younger WR's.
5. A punter.
6. A field goal kicker.

I know I seem like a negative nanny. Ok slam me. I mentioned QB...why cause JC is that home grown corn bred fed country boy that everyone has working for them and is slower then molassas. You guys know what I mean. If your in the military you have thought ..."that boy will be the first to go cause he just has no get up and go."
Be honest with your self. Look at the "great QB's" in this league. They have a sense of urgency when they are down in the fourth quarter. Hands flying, arms waving, no huddle, running up to the line, barking plays. This is not JC. Yes he manages well. Yes he's a calm, cool cat, but not a great QB and probably never will be.

Simple fact...we need a decent punter and field goal kicker. Almost everyone agrees.

I mentioned #4. More younger WR's cause our guys we have now are late 20's early 30's older then dirt. It's either their to old to get seperation or the WR coach sucks in teaching how to get seperation. I'm not fond of Stan Hixon. What 4-5 years and he has not taught a WR to run a decent route? He may have been a guru in college but it's not transfering.

No one will argue we need younger linemen on both sides of the ball. On Offense Gibbs always liked the older wiser linemen who don't make mistakes. Guess what ...they are making mistakes. Time to get younger and faster. On Defense we have no push up the middle to callapse the pockets and the only salvagable DE we have is Carter. They need to start throwing all the young guys in to see who will stay next year or not.

I know the Giants were an expected loss by lots of us including me, but it would have been nice to see us put up a fight. One touch down. One. This is not a scoring machine offense Zorn said he was bringing. I know there were a lot of dropped balls but watching the game there were a lot of dirt balls, and balls thrown to high, balls thrown to hard at times. and I can't help but look at how Atlanta does and cry wondering how on earth another team who has a new coaching staff, new system, and new QB is able to score so many points and stay in games? We couldn't fight our way out of wet paper bag. We might get lucky and get a field goal. lol.

I know I sound like the sky is falling type. I'm not. I know it takes 3 yrs to learn a new system. I don't care how you spin it or what excuses people can dream up but this team will not go far in the play offs. Everyone needs to be honest with themselves right now and see we can't score more then 20 points on our best day we are not going far. Our defense is carrying us keeping us in games but the offense has to step up and score points and not field goals.

All season I kept thinking....Zorn has something for the second half of the year. He's holding something back. He's not showing all his cards. He's got something for the Giants and the rest of this division the second time we play them. He's dreaming something up. and you know what....he doesn't. We have no special weapon. We have 4 games left and if we were going to use it or them they or it would have shown up some where around week 8 halfway through the season. We have nothing.

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I think the team is where some of us thought it would be. I think people got overzealous with the early record even thou we barely won most of the games and could have easily lost some of them. We never dominated a team all season and have been dominated a couple of times.

We have a new coach and another new system. We have an old oline and dline which can't protect the QB and can't pressure the opposing QB. We need a go to receiver that can move the chains.

We got no help from our draft despite having alot of picks. 2 WRs and a TE that haven't done squat for us. Another wasted pick drafting a punter. Horton is the lone bright spot. We really should have addressed the lines as many of us wanted.

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[quote=Mattyk72;506097]I think he does, that's why teams take him away.[/quote]

They take him away because he is the Skins only WR and know that if he's neutralized than the Skins hae no other viable WR options, not because he scares the D.

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Vinnie's show is on right now. MAN, he is getting his ass handed to him. PISSED OFF fans. WAY TO much knee jerk...........

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[quote=irish;506115]They take him away because he is the Skins only WR and know that if he's neutralized than the Skins hae no other viable WR options, not because he scares the D.[/quote]

I guess you can spin it that way, but he's proven he can burn a D and be a dangerous WR plenty of times before. I think it's more than him being simply a viable WR.

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[quote=Hog1;506121]Vinnie's show is on right now. MAN, he is getting his ass handed to him. PISSED OFF fans. WAY TO much knee jerk...........[/quote]

Yes, and from what I understand. he said in regards to criticism on the defensive pass pressure, we have a Hall of Fame DE (Taylor).

Ahhhhhhh, Vinny, Jason Taylor is older and not the same, period.

If that is the case, if this is his mentality, we are in HUGE trouble.

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[quote=Mattyk72;506122]I guess you can spin it that way, but he's proven he can burn a D and be a dangerous WR plenty of times before. I think it's more than him being simply a viable WR.[/quote]

Every WR has burned Ds at certain times so I dont put much stock in that. I think on the elite teams he would be a #2 WR.

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[quote=DesertHog;505734]This might sound crazy but i think its Campbell. He can't convert on third down and can't score a touch downs.[/quote]

I agree wholeheartedly. Campbell can't throw the deep ball. Every long ball is thrown underneath. take for example the interception by the Giants. Moss ( I believe he was the intended receiver) has two,mabe three, steps but had to wait for the ball, and it was enough time foe the secondary to ctach up and make the play. Look at the two big receptions by Moss in the first Dallas game. They both should have been touchdowns, but Moss had to slow down. actually stop, to catch the ball. Campbell had three or more passes in the dirt yesteray. He was underthrowing his long passes during warm up before the game.

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The problem is two-fold.

One is execution. The Redskins over the past few weeks are not executing like they were the first several weeks. Blame it on what you will, lack of heart, age, injuries, your mistress didn't wear her lucky panties, etc., but this team as a whole (all sides...just because you're ranked 6th in Total Defense, doesn't mean your execution is flawless) is not executing as they should. They have 4 games to show the NFL, as well as themselves, what they are made of. The talent is there, the execution simply is not.

Two is rookie head coach. While Zorn had success early in the year, other teams now have plenty of tape on him and how he conducts the team. His adjustments are not as sharp as they were, and he's simply the victim of his own success. Teams have caught up to him, and because of various things, he cannot make the adjustments he needs to in order to right the ship. However, it's not for a lack of trying...the Thomas reverse is one of the few reverses they have run all year. He saw the Giants pursuing to the point that they were over pursuing, and took advantage of it.

Needless to say, I didn't think the Skins would be 7-5 at this point in the year. I was hoping the Skins would get 7 wins all season, and I think that's part of the problem as a fan. Expectations were heightened because of early success, and with the run they've had of late, all the Chicken Littles come running like clockwork.

However, there aren't too many teams that could come out of playing Pittsburgh, Dallas and the Giants in 3 of 4 games and be on top of their game after that stretch. It would have been a lot easier to take if those games were disbursed throughout the schedule. The nice thing is there is still time to make corrections, to get guys healthy and make a run. Whether they do or not is another thing, but it's possible. However, I don't think this team is quite ready for prime time.

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[quote=SBXVII;506103]
I know I seem like a negative nanny. Ok slam me. I mentioned QB...why cause JC is that home grown corn bred fed country boy that everyone has working for them and is slower then molassas. You guys know what I mean. If your in the military you have thought ..."that boy will be the first to go cause he just has no get up and go."
Be honest with your self. Look at the "great QB's" in this league. They have a sense of urgency when they are down in the fourth quarter. Hands flying, arms waving, no huddle, running up to the line, barking plays. This is not JC. Yes he manages well. Yes he's a calm, cool cat, but not a great QB and probably never will be.

Simple fact...we need a decent punter and field goal kicker. Almost everyone agrees.

I mentioned #4. More younger WR's cause our guys we have now are late 20's early 30's older then dirt. It's either their to old to get seperation or the WR coach sucks in teaching how to get seperation. I'm not fond of Stan Hixon. What 4-5 years and he has not taught a WR to run a decent route? He may have been a guru in college but it's not transfering.

No one will argue we need younger linemen on both sides of the ball. On Offense Gibbs always liked the older wiser linemen who don't make mistakes. Guess what ...they are making mistakes. Time to get younger and faster. On Defense we have no push up the middle to callapse the pockets and the only salvagable DE we have is Carter. They need to start throwing all the young guys in to see who will stay next year or not.

[B]I know the Giants were an expected loss by lots of us including me, but it would have been nice to see us put up a fight. One touch down. One. This is not a scoring machine offense Zorn said he was bringing[/B]. I know there were a lot of dropped balls but watching the game there were a lot of dirt balls, and balls thrown to high, balls thrown to hard at times. and I can't help but look at how Atlanta does and cry wondering how on earth another team who has a new coaching staff, new system, and new QB is able to score so many points and stay in games? We couldn't fight our way out of wet paper bag. We might get lucky and get a field goal. lol.

I know I sound like the sky is falling type. I'm not. I know it takes 3 yrs to learn a new system. [B]I don't care how you spin it or what excuses people can dream up but this team will not go far in the play offs. Everyone needs to be honest with themselves right now and see we can't score more then 20 points on our best day we are not going far. Our defense is carrying us keeping us in games but the offense has to step up and score points and not field goals. [/B]

All season I kept thinking....Zorn has something for the second half of the year. He's holding something back. He's not showing all his cards. He's got something for the Giants and the rest of this division the second time we play them. He's dreaming something up. and you know what....he doesn't. We have no special weapon. We have 4 games left and if we were going to use it or them they or it would have shown up some where around week 8 halfway through the season. We have nothing.[/quote]

Hey bro...its ok to be pissed off now. Lord knows I am! And venting may or may not help me. But I'm going to anyways.
The one thing that really chapped my ass yesterday was that the game was set-up to honor Sean Taylor. And what did the defense do on the Giants 1st possession? NOTHING! Except look like they were asleep and get burned. I mean C'mon! On the 1st frigging drive to allow them to march down the field and score. IN OUR HOUSE AND ON A DAY WHEN YOUR REMEMBERING A FALLEN DEFENSIVE TEAM MATE! REALLY!???
Reality has sunk in....yes we're ahead of the curve for a 1st year head coach and JC is learning a new system,our O-line sucks...blahblahblah. Reality is....we average at best and have a LONG way to go!

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[quote=PennSkinsFan;506124]Yes, and from what I understand. he said in regards to criticism on the defensive pass pressure, we have a Hall of Fame DE (Taylor).

Ahhhhhhh, Vinny, Jason Taylor is older and not the same, period.

If that is the case, if this is his mentality, we are in HUGE trouble.[/quote]

Well.........not all of his answers have been adequate. BUT, he can't say everything he knows, obviously. For the most part, he's doing a pretty good job fielding a lot of HOT.......FANATICS.

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AND I hope Danny Smith is oiling up his "cat o' nine tails", and "Iron maiden" as somebody's (or several sombody's) lazy ass needs to pay for missing out on the muffed snap the Giants

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[quote=GTripp0012;506101]Successful plays (defined as 45% of yards to gain on 1st, 60% on 2nd, and 100% on 3rd or 4th) divided by total targets.[/quote]
Thanx!

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TakeUon, .....I agree...

[B]Reality has sunk in....yes we're ahead of the curve for a 1st year head coach and JC is learning a new system,our O-line sucks...blahblahblah. Reality is....we average at best and have a LONG way to go![/B]


Your right when you said a lot of us had high expectations. Whether it was because of the talent level and expected it to get better or simply after the first game we kept winning made people think that way. I, for one, did not expect much. I felt first year coach first year system means mediocre team. and true as the season wore on and we were winning I started seeing a bright spot. A long with all the chatter about SB aspirations......please. I know what the Giants did last year and I know people are saying any given Sunday...but you all have to be honest, all we deserve is to get in. We are not going anywhere scoring 7 points only. That does not make a SB champion.

BDB, [B]One is execution. The Redskins over the past few weeks are not executing like they were the first several weeks. [/B]That's the same spin crap Zorn likes to give. Maybe it is maybe it isn't but for those who had ..."higher expectations"....they need to lower them a bit. Be honest with yourself...you actually believe that if they were executing well we would be SB material? be honest.....since when do SB WR's run more then one route that is shy of the first down? We run them all the time in hopes that the YAC will get us the first down. That's not something to rely on. It's ok to use once or twice in a game but as a WR you have to know where the 1st down marker is and get there...better yet go beyond maybe 3 yrds so there is no question when the WR is pushed back and the ref has to decide where you were at when stopped. [B]Needless to say, I didn't think the Skins would be 7-5 at this point in the year. I was hoping the Skins would get 7 wins all season, and I think that's part of the problem as a fan. Expectations were heightened because of early success, and with the run they've had of late, all the Chicken Littles come running like clockwork.[/B]
If your refering to those who are speaking negatively then I guess you are considering yourself in that group. You said prior to the season you expected 7 wins. Now the ones who had their hopes dashed are being called chicken littles.

I'm not trying to pick a fight. Lord no. I do feel let down. However last week was one eye opening moment for me. I looked back and said wow.....who would have guessed a first year head coach starting a new offense would do as well as he has. No one. We were figured to be last in the division. I think we have a lot to grow on but the problem is we need younger guys. If we started a lot of young guys next year we are in the same boat. Only it would be young guys in new offense. I almost wanted to believe your theory but I can't get past the Atlanta factor. Why are they better then us? Why are they so good at scoring points? is it the QB? WR?

Hail, [B]Campbell can't throw the deep ball. Every long ball is thrown underneath. take for example the interception by the Giants.[/B] Ok so if your a coach and you know this then have the WR run a curl route or slant. Are the coach's ever going to realize that we have apples not lemons so lets make apple juice or are we going to keep trying to make lemon ade?

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Can we let both lines go and start over? lol. A long with Moss? Don't get me wrong I like Moss I just think he's JC pacifier right now and if we get rid of him maybe JC will look at the rest of the field.

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all i,m going to say is all in all it doesn,t look too good at the moment...

this team needs a good ole kick in the ass if you ask me..

they need help across the board on the DL/OL period and elsewhere.....again wait and see..

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I'm not going to read this whole thread.

I DO think the O-Line is the biggest issue but it isn't the only issue by a long shot.

An honest evaluation would tell us that

1. Our o-line is old and slow - They get pushed around in pass protection and aren't as consistent in run blocking as in the past. A team can still suck on offense with a good line but it is virtually impossible to suceed with a bad line. It kills everything. Look at Indy. Saturday going down for them severely hurts their o-line and right now they are not very good offensively. They have a lot of talent but with no protection it isn't working very good.

2. Our Wrs are average at best - I LOVE Moss but he isn't a true go-to top flight #1. I've been trying to fool myself that he is but he really isn't. He is great in many ways. On a sound offensive team he can hold down the #1 slot and do a damn good job. But his lack of size and strength means he can't overcome being the only option on a limited offense. He is simply too small to leverage position against a double team and not strong enough to fight for balls down the field. The others are decent skills-wise and could maybe be good with some time and experience. ARE is miscast as a #2. His best work comes out of the slot and the evidence shows it. We have no true #2 and it hurts us.

3. JC is either not as good as we'd like or simply not proficient enough in this offense - I am starting to get the feeling that JC is not going to be a top flight QB. I think he can be very good. Again in a sound offense he could put up huge numbers but he isn't a play-maker so far. I am hoping this is his lack of experience in this offense but right now we are running a pretty thin offensive scheme and he simply isn't making plays. He seems to never want to put the ball in tight spots. This is the key to me. You look at the really talented guys and they all show enough confidence, to some degree, to throw the ball to a guy who isn't wide open. I am not talking about forcing balls but I am talking about redefining one's perception of who is "open" based on how good you think you are. He seems reluctant to step back and to try and throw a ball unless he can find a wide open option. I am hoping this goes back to #2 and having dimished confidence in the WRs.

Let's face it. Right now on offense we have 4 players who are clear starters in this league. Samuels, Portis, Cooley and probably Sellers could start for most teams. Then we have a 4 o-linemen who can all start but having them all start together on one line is a problem. Each of them is decent enough alone but none of them are good enough to make up for the simple lack of ability they have collectively at this point. ARE is miscast, Yoder is Ok as the 2nd TE and the other WRs aren't there yet.

Right now we simply aren't that talented on offense. It forces us to be one dimensional which is easy to defend. Especially since now that one dimension seems broken by injuries.

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I think that is a valid point about JC, the only one so far. he isn't comfortable enough to throw to open guys, he needs them to be wideee open.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;506061]At the risk of sounding like a major d-bag, I've got to say that it's kind of funny that a Colt supporter is accusing JC supporters of blind love.[/quote]

Yeah only cause I've been following that kid since high school. If he would've played for a major college he would've got drafted sooner, but since Hawaii is looked as a system team he didn't. What was Campbells claim to fame? Hand the ball off to a pair of excellent running backs. He my friend was a systems qb and now we're showing why we're always the laughing stock of the draft.

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[quote=prinzeofmoval;506244]Yeah only cause I've been following that kid since high school. If he would've played for a major college he would've got drafted sooner, but since Hawaii is looked as a system team he didn't. What was Campbells claim to fame? Hand the ball off to a pair of excellent running backs. He my friend was a systems qb and now we're showing why we're always the laughing stock of the draft.[/quote]

Now this is just getting dumb. Who exactly is laughing at the Redskins over picking Campbell?

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[quote=SBXVII;506183]That's the same spin crap Zorn likes to give. Maybe it is maybe it isn't but for those who had ..."higher expectations"....they need to lower them a bit. Be honest with yourself...you actually believe that if they were executing well we would be SB material? be honest.....since when do SB WR's run more then one route that is shy of the first down? We run them all the time in hopes that the YAC will get us the first down. That's not something to rely on. It's ok to use once or twice in a game but as a WR you have to know where the 1st down marker is and get there...better yet go beyond maybe 3 yrds so there is no question when the WR is pushed back and the ref has to decide where you were at when stopped.[/quote]
With execution, I can honestly tell myself that this team is a Super Bowl contender. They have the talent to hang with the top teams in both conferences. However, what separates the men from the boys is execution. Being able to win the close games, and blow out those you are supposed to. The Redskins can't do that right now. As I said before, whatever excuse or reasoning there is, the execution just isn't there. As you pointed out, running short routes on 3rd down kills momentum and execution. However, just because they are running short routes now doesn't mean they will continue to do so. I think a lot of the routes also has to do with a short amount of time that Campbell has to get the ball to them...combine that "blame" on JC and the O-Line.

[quote=SBXVII;506183]If your refering to those who are speaking negatively then I guess you are considering yourself in that group. You said prior to the season you expected 7 wins. Now the ones who had their hopes dashed are being called chicken littles.[/quote]
Chicken Littles refer to those who think the season is blown anytime something wrong happens. There is a reason this thread is up over 180 posts...because we all think something is wrong, and may not be fixed before season's end. Am I a Chicken Little? Perhaps. This is a 6-2 team that is now 7-5. The experts felt the first 5 games of the year would be the tough stretch, and after the Skins went 4-1, those experts were thinking great things for this ball club. However the next 7 games have been completely backwards from the first 5. The Skins allowed probably the 2 worst teams in the league to hang with or beat them, and they got roughed up by 2 of the top teams in the league, perhaps the 2 teams that meet in the Super Bowl. While there is a sense of urgency, it's not the end of the world.

Coming into the season, looking at the schedule, I figured 7 wins for this team, with a new head coach, a new offense, and some growing pains would be a successful year...even coming off a playoff year. They've hit that 7 win mark, and have 4 wins to prove to themselves whether they "want" to be a contender or not. To me, that's a successful year. 32 teams have to go back to the drawing board each year to figure out how to win the Lombardi Trophy (or keep it). There is some measured success in each team during the course of a non-SB season.

[quote=SBXVII;506183]I almost wanted to believe your theory but I can't get past the Atlanta factor. Why are they better then us? Why are they so good at scoring points? is it the QB? WR?[/quote]
(Not sure if this was targeted at me or not...if not, I apologize for putting in my 2 cents) As far as the "Atlanta" factor goes, they are doing what it takes to win ball games. They have a decent defense that is bending (22nd in Total Defense) but not breaking (8th in Points Against with 20.2). And while Matt Ryan is enjoying success, it's Michael Turner and Jerious Norwood (2nd in Rush Offense) who are making it much easier for Ryan to find open receivers (White, Jenkins). While I'm not sure, I would bank that Mike Mularkey is keeping it very simple with the rookie, whereas Zorn has much higher expectations for Campbell.

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[quote=Mattyk72;506248]Now this is just getting dumb. Who exactly is laughing at the Redskins over picking Campbell?[/quote]

Not Campbell I'm talking about in general. How many Campbells have we drafted? Outside of Landry and Sean not many of our draft choices pan out. If so we'd be as deep as the Patriots,Colts and other teams with many home grown starters not free agents.

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Bench Jansen start Heyer..That will solve one problem,the right side of the line..Jansen had a penalty that cost them.He missed a block that kept us fro m a fourth down effort.Find a kicker!!!!!!!!! Whole week of practice of nothing but catching drills for offense and defense..A good down to earth ass-chewwing!!!And if Campbell doesnt get it going start Brennan.

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What's Wrong with the Redskins?

I'll drop the Science 101 stylie:

These are quotes free to all

"Its like cooking we put a chicken in the oven, get impatient and start to eat it but its not fully cooked and we get sick or we get impatient when its ready and bite into it and it burns our mouth."

"You have to let the paint dry." Stop "painting" the team with new coordinators every year. Were exhausting our players not buildinng towards a goal.

We have to be acknowledge that every cause has an effect. We have led ourselves down this road with poor Mgt. decisions. We've gotten players and missed out on getting future players in the market b/c of terrible contracts.

"Winning teams have guys to fit their system. " Our guys just do their job. This team runs just not properly.

I send emails that go unnocticed to the Redskins annually. I build a Madden dynasty every season and we win. Bring me in to console with Mgt Bi$*%es. Ohh, I just found my new closing for next years email.

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[quote=prinzeofmoval;506325]Not Campbell I'm talking about in general. How many Campbells have we drafted? Outside of Landry and Sean not many of our draft choices pan out. If so we'd be as deep as the Patriots,Colts and other teams with many home grown starters not free agents.[/quote]

We've drafted guys like Ladell Betts, Rock Cartright, Jason Campbell, Chris Cooley, Derrick Dockery, Rocky McIntosh, Carlos Rogers, Sean Taylor, Laron Landry, Chris Horton, Kedric Golston and Anthony Montgomery and found numerous UFA gems. Now, Chris Horton might not be Sean Taylor, but he's a damn good pickup for a 7th rounder. We haven't had a lot of draft picks to work with, but the guys we've drafted have been pretty solid. To expect a team to draft gem after gem isn't very realistic.

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BDB, good points. again not picking so hope you didn't feel offended. With higher expectations I think any team is a SB contender, However I don't think the Skins are there. When a team hits the ...5 in a row or we won't go mark....they are not SB material. Do they get the ada boy for trying yes. The ada boy is being allowed to play in the play offs. Twice we have seen where that leads us. 1st round and your down. LOL.

Hell they make it to the SB then call me a chicken s#$! if you want but this team has to many problems to be a SB team. Funny how all this O-line issues seemed to happen around the time Buges had family issues. They started stinking up the joint when he left and when he came back it hasn't changed. It's like they forgot how to block or forgot their fundamentals. I'm not sure why the coincidence of timing but about the time Buges left this O-line has been on a downward spiral. Issues all over the place. I can't speak for the D-line. It had it's issues and we all knew them. but the D kept us in games.

Funny how teams are either offensive teams or defensive teams. For years now we have been a defensive team with out a pass rush. Top 5-10 every year. Offense has been obismal. Look at how the trend is going...Colts offensive team, Patriots offensive team, Giants more of an offensive team, If you can match your opponents score or beat it you win. doesn't matter if the score is 50ish to 40ish. Then you look at the defensive teams like the Steelers, Ravens, Packers, and although they are good they lose to teams that can find a way to put up the points.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;506337]We've drafted guys like Ladell Betts, Rock Cartright, Jason Campbell, Chris Cooley, Derrick Dockery, Rocky McIntosh, Carlos Rogers, Sean Taylor, Laron Landry, Chris Horton, Kedric Golston and Anthony Montgomery and found numerous UFA gems. Now, Chris Horton might not be Sean Taylor, but he's a damn good pickup for a 7th rounder. We haven't had a lot of draft picks to work with, but the guys we've drafted have been pretty solid. To expect a team to draft gem after gem isn't very realistic.[/quote]

Okay Betts and Cartright I'll give you those. Mediocre but I'll still give you props there. Chris Cooley actually should have went in my stud list along with Landry and Taylor. I actually like horton. He's a ball hawk.BUt its all about perception.Perception is that we trade all our picks away. Reality is that we only became a fair draft team for about 3 years. But we are middle on board at best when it comes to draft day.

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[quote=prinzeofmoval;506407]Okay Betts and Cartright I'll give you those. Mediocre but I'll still give you props there. Chris Cooley actually should have went in my stud list along with Landry and Taylor. I actually like horton. He's a ball hawk.BUt its all about perception.Perception is that we trade all our picks away. Reality is that we only became a fair draft team for about 3 years. But we are middle on board at best when it comes to draft day.[/quote]

Also keep in mind not every draft pick is going to be a winner. Then add the fact that instead of filling the one or two glaring holes we had on the team by "drafting for need" the team management chose to go the "best overall player" route and we ended up with a TE we truely didn't need, a Punter we truely didn't need and if we did, why couldn't they make the punter work? all he has to do is stand back there and grab the ball out of the air and take two steps and punt. Instead it seems we have no one out on the edge to stop the rush. Everytime we punt I cringe waiting for the blocked punt. Their close everytime. Then watch us on punt returns and you will see not one man even gets close to the opposing punter. Why? what are we doing differently or wrong. Why is it that everytime ARE stands back to punt return he has a man in his face and has to down the ball? Other teams are pushing the ball up field. back to my soap box...we picked up a QB we really didn't need. or maybe we did. We all knew what we needed out of the draft...1 or 2 DT's who were young, healthy and could collapse a pocket. A bigger DE. We have a smaller speedier DE in Carter, what we needed was the power rushing DE on the other side. O-line anywere. Just a young healthy warm body. Heyer is good for what he was ...a non drafted o-lineman. He's a nice fill in when needed but he's not a stand out or a difference maker. and last but not least we needed WR and S. We drafted for those positions.

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We're not playing very well. :cool-smil

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;506337]We've drafted guys like Ladell Betts, Rock Cartright, Jason Campbell, Chris Cooley, Derrick Dockery, Rocky McIntosh, Carlos Rogers, Sean Taylor, Laron Landry, Chris Horton, Kedric Golston and Anthony Montgomery and found numerous UFA gems. Now, Chris Horton might not be Sean Taylor, but he's a damn good pickup for a 7th rounder. We haven't had a lot of draft picks to work with, but the guys we've drafted have been pretty solid. To expect a team to draft gem after gem isn't very realistic.[/quote]

IMO overall our drafts have been pretty week. Sean Taylor was a no brainer at the pick we got him at. Same with Samuels. But how many top picks have we wasted going for the 'sexy' pick. Falling in love with the next offensive weapon that doesn't pan out instead of going with the safe pick to build our team. How many great wide recievers have we drafted over the years with our top picks that didn't pan out. Yes we have hit on some later round picks, but we have missed on way too many of our 1st thru 3rd round picks. These are the guys that most teams build around.

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[quote=Jake2008;506540]IMO overall our drafts have been pretty week. Sean Taylor was a no brainer at the pick we got him at. Same with Samuels. But how many top picks have we wasted going for the 'sexy' pick. Falling in love with the next offensive weapon that doesn't pan out instead of going with the safe pick to build our team. How many great wide recievers have we drafted over the years with our top picks that didn't pan out. Yes we have hit on some later round picks, but we have missed on way too many of our 1st thru 3rd round picks. These are the guys that most teams build around.[/quote]

Well, I'm not counting this year because it's too early to pass judgement. So with that caveat, I think we've drafted a wide receiver in the first 3 rounds once in the past 13 years

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[quote=Jake2008;506540]IMO overall our drafts have been pretty week. Sean Taylor was a no brainer at the pick we got him at. Same with Samuels. But how many top picks have we wasted going for the 'sexy' pick. Falling in love with the next offensive weapon that doesn't pan out instead of going with the safe pick to build our team. How many great wide recievers have we drafted over the years with our top picks that didn't pan out. Yes we have hit on some later round picks, but we have missed on way too many of our 1st thru 3rd round picks. These are the guys that most teams build around.[/quote]The last Redskins first round pick that wasn't a borderline pro-bowler or better was Patrick Ramsey in 2002. And he was the last pick in the round. Since that was seven years ago, I'd say the point is bunk that we haven't drafted well at the top of drafts. It's more that we...haven't had picks to get good players with.

And if somebody wanted to make the argument that Ramsey would have been a pro bowler in 2005 had he been the starter, I'd hear it. Before Ramsey, it was Rod Gardner, and now were really dating ourselves.

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[quote=SmootSmack;506542]Well, I'm not counting this year because it's too early to pass judgement. So with that caveat, I think we've drafted a wide receiver in the first 3 rounds once in the past 13 years[/quote]

I agree it is still too early to pass judgement for this year, but it is not looking good and IMO we shouldn't have used all 3 picks on receivers with so many other needs.

Westbrook (1995) and Gardner (2001) and of course Howard just before that. You would think after these 3 we would have learned a lesson. Then we have the QBs (Shuler, Ramsey and Campbell) that 2 were busts and the jury is still out on Campbell. Compare these to the defense players and offensive line guys we took that have all pretty much panned out and you get my point.