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[quote=44ever;525810]If these guys played on teams other than the Skins and where available as FA's would we go after any of them. Just a thought. I don't like the idea of cutting Taylor.[/quote]

That's exactly what i find irritating... we'd probably go after all but Daniels and break the bank on them. Cut 'em and get younger.

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It appears that we will not have enough money for a big time FA. I think at best we may pick up some serviceable guys in free agency, but I don't expect the team to go a after the likes of Suggs, or even Dansby (whose price went up b/c of the Superbowl). I just hope they focus on the offensive line either through free agency or the draft.

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[quote=Ruhskins;525830][B]It appears that we will not have enough money for a big time FA.[/B] I think at best we may pick up some serviceable guys in free agency, but I don't expect the team to go a after the likes of Suggs, or even Dansby (whose price went up b/c of the Superbowl). I just hope they focus on the offensive line either through free agency or the draft.[/quote]

Again I could be dead wrong but it looks like we'll have about 6 or 7 million in cap space if we cut Springs, Taylor, Daniels and Marcus. That should be enough to make one big FA signing or grab a couple of value guys depending on our needs.

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Lets Just Hope We Get Vinny Gone And Go From There!

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[quote=LandrySlice;525850]Lets Just Hope We Get Vinny Gone And Go From There![/quote]

Get rid of Vinny. Hmmmmm, get rid of Vinny. I don't I ever. Now there is an idea!!!!!

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[quote=The Goat;525844]Again I could be dead wrong but it looks like we'll have about 6 or 7 million in cap space if we cut Springs, Taylor, Daniels and Marcus. That should be enough to make one big FA signing or grab a couple of value guys depending on our needs.[/quote]

you're right Goat. But I still say we keep Taylor and go after a couple of value guys than cut what would be the hottest FA if not for injuries for another "big" FA. I would like to see us get value out of Taylor if possible. Tired of getting burnt on these big FA's.

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[quote=The Goat;525844]Again I could be dead wrong but it looks like we'll have about 6 or 7 million in cap space if we cut Springs, Taylor, Daniels and Marcus. That should be enough to make one big FA signing or grab a couple of value guys depending on our needs.[/quote]

First we need to see what position in the draft is the strongest and what positions we need... The draft has a lot of centers, and tackles. A decent amount of WRs. No break away speed backs. A lot of great DEs very few DTs, a good amount of OLBs. [U][/U]And a of amount of corners.[U][B][/B][/U] The free agent market has only one really good DT,a really good DE, a lot of OLinemen, and couple real good OLBs,and a proven punter
** and a good amount of corners

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Browns cut Eric Young, might be worth a camp invite.

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The Lions cut 5 starters today, including guard Ed Mulitalo. I wanted the Skins to sign him last year when he parted ways with the Ravens. I wouldn't mind giving him a look, although he's getting up there in age.

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Well, if there is a good crop of FA OL and the draft is supposedly quite deep there as well; and we all know that a major roadblock for us is our OL; isn't this the year of the off-season OL upgrade?

I mean, why not?

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[quote=GMScud;525982]The Lions cut 5 starters today, including guard Ed Mulitalo. I wanted the Skins to sign him last year when he parted ways with the Ravens. I wouldn't mind giving him a look, although he's getting up there in age.[/quote]

Hed be a good replacement for Kendall. He's certainly not a better guard than Kendall when healthy, but Kendalls knees are going to give out sooner or later and for a simiar price (close to vet min), id much rather have Mulitalo.

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[quote=SmootSmack;525979]Browns cut Eric Young, might be worth a camp invite.[/quote]

wow i wasnt aware of that. Prior to the draft, i really thought Young was a great mid-round steal who could start right away if needed... so much for what i know. As far as us picking him up, he certainly couldnt be more of a disappointment than Rinehart. Hopefully the skins will look at him.

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If we dump Taylor, we get all $8.5 million back towards the cap (if i understand it correctly)

But Taylor's future all depends on how the FO rates Blades, Wilson, and Jackson to see if they think they can start next year and if so how much of an impact can they make? Remember Blades started 5 games, and 4 of the last 5 at SLB so he does have some experience, but he did make some mistakes, but if he can start at OLB, there goes washington...

if the FO is comfortable with Wilson and/or Jackson at LE, Carter and Evans can stay at RE....then we can cut Taylor and Daniels we'll save $10.8 million towards the cap, n now we'll be $7.8 million UNDER the cap (currently $3 million over)...Cut Springs and Washington, there's another $10 million in cap space right there, so now we're around $17.8 million UNDER the cap...

Go give Hall the $4 million a year that he wants and have him starting opposite of Rogers, with Smoot playin' nickle and Tyron getting more PT at either nickle and dime backs.

Then we caneither go spend another $2-5 million a year on Jahri Evans RFA, G for Saints, or Jason Brown RHA, G but can play C, for the Ravens. Both will only be 26 by the start of the season, Evans is a 3 year starter, and Brown is a 2 year starter. Both Saint and Ravens gonna try hard to sign em, but if we can steal one away for under $5 million a year, then they could play either G spot and we should (if all goes to plan of course) be set there for 4-5 years

So now we are still around $9 million under the cap....go spend a few bucks on some depth at LB, OL, DT and save some for the rookies, and we'll still have money left over! that's not including all the other scrubs that the skins will cut.

Like i've said i haven't be a strong advocate of playing in FA, but we don't have a lot of draft picks, and also we are signing YOUNG FAs, not some 29-35 year old FAs past their prime.

Then in the draft we can take OT (most like Britton), or trade down to pick up more picks.....still pick up a G/C in the 3rd round to hopefully take over for Rabach or Thomas in a few years (if Rinehart is a bust)....then next year we can load up on the front 7 in the first 3 rounds

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Pretty good position by position rankings here:

[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AiXRP99vxZxKsrYb02610ogZc9AF?slug=ys-draftposranks021009&prov=yhoo&type=lgns]NFL Draft: Rankings by position - NFL - Yahoo! Sports[/url]

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;526143]wow i wasnt aware of that. Prior to the draft, i really thought Young was a great mid-round steal who could start right away if needed... so much for what i know. As far as us picking him up, he certainly couldnt be more of a disappointment than Rinehart. Hopefully the skins will look at him.[/quote]

Yeah, he's had some injury concerns which have hampered his start in the NFL. But I think he's ok now, and is worth a look

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[quote=A10sROCK;523188]Personally, I would drop Washington, Springs, Jansen , Taylor, Collins, Griffin, ARE, Betts and Fabini. I'd spend every draft pick for the OL and DL. I'd pick up the best backup WCO QB and the best scatback RB we can afford. Bring up all the draft picks, FA from last year and this season and play them to see if they're NFL material or not. The best player wins the position.

Call it a 'rebuilding season' from tomorrow on.[/quote]

While I think this approach works in Basketball, I do not believe it will deliver results in the NFL. The reason is that there is very little to gain from a top draft pick, unless it turns out to be a franchise quarterback. Otherwise, top picks drain the salary cap and are rarely game changers (look at Chris Samuals, Lavar Arrington, LaRon Landry). A team that dumps veterans in this manner could end up in a losing rut that lasts a half decade.

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Sorry all, closed the wrong thread

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[quote=Whiteboi_J;526148]If we dump Taylor, we get all $8.5 million back towards the cap (if i understand it correctly)

But Taylor's future all depends on how the FO rates Blades, Wilson, and Jackson to see if they think they can start next year and if so how much of an impact can they make? Remember Blades started 5 games, and 4 of the last 5 at SLB so he does have some experience, but he did make some mistakes, but if he can start at OLB, there goes washington...

i[B]f the FO is comfortable with Wilson and/or Jackson at LE, Carter and Evans can stay at RE....then we can cut Taylor and Daniels we'll save $10.8 million towards the cap, n now we'll be $7.8 million UNDER the cap (currently $3 million over)...Cut Springs and Washington, there's another $10 million in cap space right there, so now we're around $17.8 million UNDER the cap...[/B]

Go give Hall the $4 million a year that he wants and have him starting opposite of Rogers, with Smoot playin' nickle and Tyron getting more PT at either nickle and dime backs.

Then we caneither go spend another $2-5 million a year on Jahri Evans RFA, G for Saints, or Jason Brown RHA, G but can play C, for the Ravens. Both will only be 26 by the start of the season, Evans is a 3 year starter, and Brown is a 2 year starter. Both Saint and Ravens gonna try hard to sign em, but if we can steal one away for under $5 million a year, then they could play either G spot and we should (if all goes to plan of course) be set there for 4-5 years

So now we are still around $9 million under the cap....go spend a few bucks on some depth at LB, OL, DT and save some for the rookies, and we'll still have money left over! that's not including all the other scrubs that the skins will cut.

Like i've said i haven't be a strong advocate of playing in FA, but we don't have a lot of draft picks, and also we are signing YOUNG FAs, not some 29-35 year old FAs past their prime.

Then in the draft we can take OT (most like Britton), or trade down to pick up more picks.....still pick up a G/C in the 3rd round to hopefully take over for Rabach or Thomas in a few years (if Rinehart is a bust)....then next year we can load up on the front 7 in the first 3 rounds[/quote]

I think you're confused about the DE situation. AC is the starting right end and Evans (in the absence of Jason Taylor) is the starting left end. Wilson and Jackson would both be backups regardless. I really can't imagine Daniels on the 53 man roster... IMO he's the first veteran who should be cut based on age, injury history and savings. I'm also hopeful we dump JT to free up that truckload of cap space. But here's the catch, DE is not a position we can likely upgrade much this year. Evans, according to some FA experts, is one of the top ends available this year and maybe the top 4-3 left end available. Meanwhile SLB is most likely the one open spot on defense for '09... that's where we should spend our FA money. A guy who can stop the run, be good in coverage and blitz the QB will keep this defense in the top 5. I like Suggs and think we should throw our FA money at him but anyway SLB is the position to upgrade this year IMO.

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We should go after igor olshansk at DE, hes been in a 3-4 but he'll be fine in a 4-3.

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Looks like Favre has retired again
[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3898942]Brett Favre instructs agent to tell New York Jets he intends to retire - ESPN[/url]

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[quote=steam;526177]While I think this approach works in Basketball, I do not believe it will deliver results in the NFL. The reason is that there is very little to gain from a top draft pick, unless it turns out to be a franchise quarterback. Otherwise, top picks drain the salary cap and are rarely game changers (look at Chris Samuals, Lavar Arrington, LaRon Landry). A team that dumps veterans in this manner could end up in a losing rut that lasts a half decade.[/quote]

I agree with you except the part about LaRon "dirty thirty" Landry not being a game changer. The dude is the best young safety out there and a top 5 safety in the league. He has the rare mix of speed and the ability to deliver the blow and I would have to say he is our most athletic player. But most of all he brings a certain swagger to the table, a swagger that not many have, the only other guy I can think of that had it was Sean T. It's that certain mentality of not caring who it is hes gonna take there head off, I believe he learned this along with alot of other things from Sean T. He has been close the past two years from making the pro bowl, its just a matter of time before this kid is one of the most elite safeties in the leage for years to come, and this matter of time is very very short.

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[quote=Bubba305-ST21-;526298]I agree with you except the part about LaRon "dirty thirty" Landry not being a game changer. The dude is the best young safety out there and a top 5 safety in the league. He has the rare mix of speed and the ability to deliver the blow and I would have to say he is our most athletic player. But most of all he brings a certain swagger to the table, a swagger that not many have, the only other guy I can think of that had it was Sean T. It's that certain mentality of not caring who it is hes gonna take there head off, I believe he learned this along with alot of other things from Sean T. He has been close the past two years from making the pro bowl, its just a matter of time before this kid is one of the most elite safeties in the leage for years to come, and this matter of time is very very short.[/quote]

I'm not sure what swagger you're talking about? Do you mean he swaggered back and forth after Jacobs ran over him?

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Here's a new tidbit: Skins hired Chip Garber as Defensive Quality Control today.

[B][url=http://blog.redskins.com/2009/02/11/wednesday-february-11-two-transactions/#continued]Wednesday, February 11: Two Transactions - The Official Blog of The Washington Redskins[/url][/B]

Probably not a bad aquasition when looking at his resume but again no NFL experience.

Also why are we keeping Westbrook? It's apparent he's not good enough to be active and has been relegated to practice squad 2 yrs straight. Some have come and gone and others have come and started. I hope we are not keeping him solely for the purpose of immitating his brother during practice cause that would be taking up a roster spot worse then Marcus Mason was.

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[quote=SBXVII;526369]Here's a new tidbit: Skins hired Chip Garber as Defensive Quality Control today.

[B][URL="http://blog.redskins.com/2009/02/11/wednesday-february-11-two-transactions/#continued"]Wednesday, February 11: Two Transactions - The Official Blog of The Washington Redskins[/URL][/B]

[B]Probably not a bad aquasition when looking at his resume but again no NFL experience.[/B]

Also why are we keeping Westbrook? It's apparent he's not good enough to be active and has been relegated to practice squad 2 yrs straight. Some have come and gone and others have come and started. I hope we are not keeping him solely for the purpose of immitating his brother during practice cause that would be taking up a roster spot worse then Marcus Mason was.[/quote]

A quality control guy is often someone who is new to the biz. It's sort of like a coach in training type of position.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;526314]I'm not sure what swagger you're talking about? Do you mean he swaggered back and forth after Jacobs ran over him?[/quote]

the swagger where after he jacks somebody up he gets up in there face and lets them now about it.

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I'm not sure what they see in Westbrook, but this is it for him. Either he makes the roster or he's gone.

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i agree. i think his odds are much better this year considering we most likely wont keep all of our top 4 cbs.

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Interesting that the 2 coaches hired appear to have strong Zorn ties, how does this fit in with the Snyderatto my way or highway crowd? Still no sign of a WR coach though :(

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^I can't figure it out either. It's either Zorn putting something together from yrs past in hopes it works out like it did then or he's simply helping out friends. I would love to say it has everything to do with the fact they are brilliant minded and several NFL teams were looking to hire them and we got them which would mean our team should rock next year but I can't.

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It's Zorn being given the freedom to choose the staff as he pleases and populating it to an extent with people he feels most comfortable working with.

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Coaches surround themselves with "their guys". Not sure why anyone is surprised over this.

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[quote=Mattyk72;526450]Coaches surround themselves with "their guys". Not sure why anyone is surprised over this.[/quote]

My surprise is that he's getting his guys in certain spots but not others i.e. for all the struggle our receivers have gone through i'd expect a "Zorn guy" for a WR coach... can't speak for anyone else though.

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Apparently the fans are the only ones up in arms over Hixon. He's not going to be replaced so we might as well move on.

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[quote=Mattyk72;526462]Apparently the fans are the only ones up in arms over Hixon. He's not going to be replaced so we might as well move on.[/quote]

But a closed mouth doesn't get fed. We should continue to talk about it until he does get replaced. Hell, it stopped Fassel from becomming our HC.

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I haven't heard anything definitive about Hixon staying on board... his continued employment will definitely dampen my enthusiasm for the upcoming season... i just don't understand how a guy w/ no proven track record, not single NFL WR ever developed under his tutelage, can be the best available option.

It's actually sort of mind-boggling IMO.

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Two questions,
1) should we go after Florence or bodden
2) when is the day we'd find out marcus Washington will get cut... Like this week or at the start of free agency??

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[quote=Nflnick11;526471]Two questions,
1) should we go after Florence or bodden
2) when is the day we'd find out marcus Washington will get cut... Like this week or at the start of free agency??[/quote]

Bodden ? I think we have more pressing needs and less money than we've had in other off seasons.
I believe it is February 26th for all clubs to be under the cap. I'm not certain. With that said we're not over the cap right now by a huge amount. If I we're the front office I wouldn't broadcast to the rest of the league that we're letting Marcus or anyone else go that's a starter. They'll then know what we intend to do in the draft and in FA.
That's just me. Some of the more knowledgable posters might have a better answer.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;526474]Bodden ? I think we have more pressing needs and less money than we've had in other off seasons.
I believe it is February 26th for all clubs to be under the cap. I'm not certain. With that said we're not over the cap right now by a huge amount. If I we're the front office I wouldn't broadcast to the rest of the league that we're letting Marcus or anyone else go that's a starter. They'll then know what we intend to do in the draft and in FA.
That's just me. Some of the more knowledgable posters might have a better answer.[/quote]

Makes sense to me.

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So, hopefully by the end of next week we may know something about Hall's future with the Redskins:

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3902683]Washington Redskins interested in keeping DeAngelo Hall - ESPN[/url]

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[quote=Ruhskins;526580]So, hopefully by the end of next week we may know something about Hall's future with the Redskins:

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3902683]Washington Redskins interested in keeping DeAngelo Hall - ESPN[/url][/quote]

This is good news. We should not overpay for hall, but a six year deal with about 15M garaunteed and a total value of around 45M would be very reasonable in the long-term picture. He would average less than 8M/year, and while that may seem somewhat steep now, its reasonable for a starting cornerback. I would certainly rather pay Hall 15M garaunteed for the duration of his contract than pay Springs 8M to play in 2009. We certianly cant afford to let both of them go. We have to pick one or the other, and the smart moneys on Hall.

And when you consider how new contracts for positions seem to inflate 10-20% every year, the contract would look like a real bargain in 3-4years. And with 2010 looking almost certain to be an uncapped year, i imagine we could pay him all his garaunteed money in that year, so if his play declines later on, we can cut him without paying much of a penalty. Hall also gives us another option for a chance-of-pace guy returning punts.