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[quote=T.O.Killa;528120]Well look at the bright side, it will be worth a 3rd round pick, in compensation for us next year. I think.[/quote]

Only if we lose more FAs who sign big contracts this offseason than we sign to big contracts. And a pick between the end of the third round and the start of the first is the MOST we can hope to get in return...

To put that in perspective, with our 3rd rounder in 2008, we drafted Chad Rinehart, a player who, according to JLCs sources, is viewed as a complete bust by our front office. So in essence, in letting Hall walk we can hope to - at best - get a player who can play with our scout team for a year or two and never contribute anything to the team in terms of actually making the active roster and then contributing to the team in games.

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[quote=Mattyk72;528111]Yeah good point, if Hall were to walk it's not going to ruin this D. We would still be ok with Rogers, Springs, and Smoot as our top 3.[/quote]

Springs will eat up 8.5M in cap space if hes here. last year, he only played in about half our games... so in 2009, we have every reason to expect Springs, if hes on the roster, to eat a ton of cap space that could be used to sign multiple players, while sitting on the bench half the season while Rogers and Smoot start...and dont forget, we are trying to trade rogers... which means Smoot, who at this point in his career is a #4 corner at best, could be the #1 corner in 50% of our games in 2009. It also means that Justin Tryon is going to be our #2 or #3 corner, because keeping Springs means we wont have money to go after quality players to replace Hall and Rogers.

The hall situation is not occurring in a vacuum where what happens with him has no effect on anything else. There are multiple things going on here, and securing Hall would give us tremendous leverage and flexibility in deciding what to do with Rogers and Springs. If we lose Hall, our leverage and flexibility is gone and we are SEVERELY limited in what we can do as far as upgrading our team with quality players in free agency.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;528130]The hall situation is not occurring in a vacuum where what happens with him has no effect on anything else. There are multiple things going on here, and securing Hall would give us tremendous leverage and flexibility in deciding what to do with Rogers and Springs. If we lose Hall, our leverage and flexibility is gone and we are SEVERELY limited in what we can do as far as upgrading our team with quality players in free agency.[/quote]That's a really good point, but 50mil is a lot to pay over
Hall's market value for leverage.

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I'm just throwing this out there. Is it possible that we value Hall more than anyone else does? After what happened in Oakland, teams weren't exactly beating his door down. Maybe he should test the market, it is possible he values himself more than anyone else does.

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[quote=freddyg12;528103]Makes sense to me, let him test the market a bit. Unlike some here who think that Oakland's big signing will set the market & give Hall more leverage, I don't think many teams will be willing to go very high for him.

With a potential capless year looming & financial uncertainty in general, not many teams will be looking to shell out big bucks for Hall IMO. All he needs is one team to do so, but if someone wants to guarantee over 13mil for him I hope they let him walk.[/quote]

13Mil garaunteed is a STEAL for someone like Hall. Heck, if Springs stays in 2009, he'll have made 15M in garaunteed money in 2 years. The cap continues to rise and people need to adjust their expectations of what is considered "normal" and what is considered "high" pay nowadays. 13M garaunteed is NOTHING for a starting cornerback, even one who is just "average"

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;528126]Only if we lose more FAs who sign big contracts this offseason than we sign to big contracts. And a pick between the end of the third round and the start of the first is the MOST we can hope to get in return...

To put that in perspective, with our 3rd rounder in 2008, we drafted Chad Rinehart, a player who, according to JLCs sources, is viewed as a complete bust by our front office. So in essence, in letting Hall walk we can hope to - at best - get a player who can play with our scout team for a year or two and never contribute anything to the team in terms of actually making the active roster and then contributing to the team in games.[/quote]

Do you by any chance remember that 7th rounder that turned out to be a starter for our team? Just because Rineheart hasn't worked out, doesn't mean that ALL third rounders are not going to work out.

Man, I swear, you need to step out, light up a smoke and/or have a stiff drink. You're acting like the worst case scenario has happened to the team.

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[quote=53Fan;528134]I'm just throwing this out there. Is it possible that we value Hall more than anyone else? After what happened in Oakland, teams weren't exactly beating his door down. Maybe he should test the market, it is possible he values himself more than anyone else does.[/quote]There's a 98% chance Hall is here next year.

We're just bidding against ourselves. I bet Demetric Evans is going to get more play on the FA market than Hall will.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;528135]13Mil garaunteed is a STEAL for someone like Hall. Heck, if Springs stays in 2009, he'll have made 15M in garaunteed money in 2 years. The cap continues to rise and people need to adjust their expectations of what is considered "normal" and what is considered "high" pay nowadays. 13M garaunteed is NOTHING for a starting cornerback, even one who is just "average"[/quote]Why is it a steal if we could give him like 7 mil guaranteed, and it would still be his best offer?

What team would ever consider giving him more than that?

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[quote=GTripp0012;528139]Why is it a steal if we could give him like 7 mil guaranteed, and it would still be his best offer?

[B]What team would ever consider giving him more than that?[/B][/quote]

you'd be very surprised, the pats and steelers and I want to say two NFC east teams were trying to sign hall when he became a free agent in the middle of the season...According to Zorn though he doesn't think that we'll resign him until the start of FA which means that the chances of him be back in a redskins uniform just got smaller (oh and zorn also said he wants to make kendall a priority to resign, which I don't think so since he doesn't get us any younger...this is when you go sign a stacy andrews )

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There were 3-5 teams interested in Hall after Oakland cut him and Hall did nothing but improve his stock with the time he spent here in washingon. With all the premier cornerbacks now off the market, Hall is THE best CB available. Oaklands contract with aso did nothing but increase the kind of contract hall will get. I think he'll command 8m/year.

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[quote=freddyg12;528103]Makes sense to me, let him test the market a bit. Unlike some here who think that Oakland's big signing will set the market & give Hall more leverage, I don't think many teams will be willing to go very high for him.

With a potential capless year looming & financial uncertainty in general, not many teams will be looking to shell out big bucks for Hall IMO. All he needs is one team to do so, but if someone wants to guarantee over 13mil for him I hope they let him walk.[/quote]
I think the Cowboys would love to have Hall.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;528126]Only if we lose more FAs who sign big contracts this offseason than we sign to big contracts. And a pick between the end of the third round and the start of the first is the MOST we can hope to get in return...

To put that in perspective, with our 3rd rounder in 2008, we drafted Chad Rinehart, a player who, according to JLCs sources, is viewed as a complete bust by our front office. So in essence, in letting Hall walk we can hope to - at best - get a player who can play with our scout team for a year or two and never contribute anything to the team in terms of actually making the active roster and then contributing to the team in games.[/quote]
Hall will be the best corner on the free agent market. That is a fact. Yes he did not do that well in Oakland, but either does anyone. He played great for us. We should have kept him third string and leaked out that he sucked through sources. I think he will get at least 20 mil guaranteed and ten million a year.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;528191]Hall will be the best corner on the free agent market. That is a fact.[/quote]

Not sure how that's a fact

[quote]Yes he did not do that well in Oakland, but either does anyone.[/quote]

Tell that to Nnamdi Asomugha

[quote]He played great for us.[/quote]

I was pleased with his performance

[quote]We should have kept him third string and leaked out that he sucked through sources.[/quote]

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

[quote] I think he will get at least 20 mil guaranteed and ten million a year.[/quote]

More power to him

Not sure how'

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[quote=T.O.Killa;528191]Hall will be the best corner on the free agent market. That is a fact. Yes he did not do that well in Oakland, but either does anyone. He played great for us. We should have kept him third string and leaked out that he sucked through sources. I think he will get at least 20 mil guaranteed and ten million a year.[/quote]

There's a sucker born every minute, that's for whoever signs him. If it's us, then I hope I'm wrong.

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From the NFL Combine Blog:
Redskins head coach [B]Jim Zorn[/B] hopes DE [B]Jason Taylor[/B] will be back for a second season in Washington but doesn’t expect the team to be able to re-sign CB [B]DeAngelo Hall[/B] or G [B]Pete Kendall[/B] before the start of free agency.
[URL="http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/02/19/19943/"]NFL.com Blogs » Blog Archive Day 1 wrap-up from Indianapolis «[/URL]

This doesn't sound too promising on the signing of Hall, maybe just posturing, but if Hall is looking for too big a payday then let him get it somewhere else. Guess we should be looking hard at CBs in FA and the draft. Maybe that vet minimum joke about Bly was a bit premature.

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[url=http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/02/18/cb-hayden-colts-strike-five-year-43-million-deal/]NFL.com Blogs » Blog Archive CB Hayden, Colts strike five-year, $43 million deal «[/url]

Hayden, who helped the Colts win Super Bowl XLI three years ago, reached an agreement with the team on a five-year, $43 million contract that includes $22.5 million in guaranteed money.

Looks like the price tag for Hall may be even more than 6 / $ 44M / $ 18M. At these numbers, I think we may be better served going with a more cost effective alternative. Hall is a big risk at $ 18M guaranteed. While I'd like to see Springs released to free up cap space, we're probably better served to hold him, pass on Hall and see if we can find a better value at CB in FA.

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I would love to have Hall back for the road ahead with the skins. However, we should not break the bank to get him. Having said that, I would be interested in signing Hall if the only way to get him is to release Springs to get some cap room to sign him. I love Springs when he is on the field, but a younger corner who plays all year with similar skills is always a better choice. Hey but we're the Skins and I'm sure we will mess this up some how.

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The way I see it is all of the other teams are resigning there top guys. A punter was just signed for 12 mill. The Skins have paid big$$$ for guys who were
1)OLD
2)slowing down
3)costing draft picks
4)OLD

Now we got this young proven pro bowler in Hall who came here and performed fantastic. I don't get it. Pay him. And move on. Or we can get a 8-8 caliber guy for less $$$. Or "hope" for a healthy Springs... Id like to see a post season again some day.

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[quote=44ever;528221]The way I see it is all of the other teams are resigning there top guys. A punter was just signed for 12 mill. The Skins have paid big$$$ for guys who were
1)OLD
2)slowing down
3)costing draft picks
4)OLD

Now we got this young proven pro bowler in Hall who came here and performed fantastic. I don't get it. Pay him. And move on. Or we can get a 8-8 caliber guy for less $$$. Or "hope" for a healthy Springs...[B] Id like to see a post season again some day[/B].[/quote]

:laughing- Someday [B]SOON [/B]would be nice. :woot:

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i don't get it. while i think Hall played pretty decent here, he is all of 25? team him up with Rogers, and you are set at corner for at least the next 5 years. pay him, not crazy money, but pay him

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;528217][url=http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/02/18/cb-hayden-colts-strike-five-year-43-million-deal/]NFL.com Blogs » Blog Archive CB Hayden, Colts strike five-year, $43 million deal «[/url]

Hayden, who helped the Colts win Super Bowl XLI three years ago, reached an agreement with the team on a five-year, $43 million contract that includes $22.5 million in guaranteed money.

Looks like the price tag for Hall may be even more than 6 / $ 44M / $ 18M. At these numbers, I think we may be better served going with a more cost effective alternative. Hall is a big risk at $ 18M guaranteed. While I'd like to see Springs released to free up cap space, we're probably better served to hold him, pass on Hall and see if we can find a better value at CB in FA.[/quote]

I'd be surprised if it gets to $18 million guaranteed. It's kind of ironic I guess that the best corners on the market all have local ties. Bly born in VA, Hall born in VA, Foxworth born in Maryland, Bodden born in DC, and Bartell went to Howard.

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I think you have to let these first wave of signing settle down, no one in their right mind is going to sign Hall for top money, simply because of the past experiences, but Hall has to be looking at these numbers and raising his price. once the field levels out, hopefully, he will come to his senses and take a reasonable offer with the Skins, after all he was saying how much he wanted to be here when he first signed.

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If we dont pay Hall the money he wants now, we will be left with three choices:

1) Pay Hall significantly more money later on.
2) Let Hall walk and pay someone of lesser talent money comparable to what Hall wants now.
3) Let Hall walk and don't do anything of consequence (sign long-term starter) to replace him.

For those of you who are fans of option 3, consider this. Failing to lock up a high quality starter to a long-term contract means financially:

1) Keeping Springs around for atleast one more year at [B]8.5M[/B]
2) Signing some sort of veteran FA with starting experience to a modest contract - lets go conservative (less than what smoot got) and say 3M/year for atleast 2 years (this year and atleast one other year as a 2010 draft pick adjusts to the NFL game) for a total of [B]6M[/B]
3) Use a High draft pick in 2010 on a "long-term" solution at CB. Dominique Rogers-Cromartie, the 16th overall pick last year signed a 6 year, 16M contract with 9M garaunteed. Assuming a 10% increase in salaries annually, and that we drafted someone a corner in the same slot in 2010 (ballpark figure, i know) and we'd be looking at paying someone about [B]20M with 11M garaunteed[/B] to essentially fill the role vacated by Hall this year.

In the end, letting Hall go means spending 25M in garaunteed money in contracts over the next two years to have a less effective solution at the CB position. In the end, we're left with a young draft pick who may or may not turn out to be a good player, and may or may not end up having personal problems WORSE than the problems that Hall has, by all appearances, put behind him.

The notion that we should not push hard to sign Hall before the start of free agency is incredibly short-sighted. Its the kind of thinking that has consistently handicapped this franchise in recent years. Consider just one example:

Dockery got more money than he ever expected once he hit free agency. He was asking us to pay him well more than we wanted to, but it still was less than what he eventually got. In the end, where would we be now if we had just paid him before he hit FA? Well, we would not have needed to trade a 4th round draft picks to the Jets for Pete Kendall, we would not have had to use an additional 3rd round pick on Rinehart in 2008, and we would not be looking for a guard now. Yes, letting Dock walk cost us (as of now) THREE mid-range draft picks that could have been used to build depth and address other postions. While it would have cost some money to keep him, we wouldnt have had to pay Kendall, Rinehart, or whoever eventually starts at RG for us long-term. When you add up all those contracts and include inflation, it undoubtably would not be that much less than what it would have cost to keep Dock, especially if we replace him by a marquee free agent this year or a high draft pick in the coming years.

The same prinicples apply to other starting caliber free agents we've let walk in recent years like Antionio Pierce and Ryan Clark. Well managed NFL teams know that most of the time, in the long-run, its cheaper to keep your own young, home-grown stars than it is to let them walk. youre almost always going to pay less to keep your own guy (hometown discount) than you are to find a comparable FA replacement elsewhere. Cornerback is one of the premier positions in the NFL. look at how often corners get franchised - its because teams know their value and they want to get a long-term deal signed with the player because they know its cheaper and better for the team in the long run.

If the skins wait and dont push to get something done now, theyre fools. complete fools.

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I think you can almost discount the deal the Raiders gave out. It's so off the charts and unconventional I don't think agents are going to have much success trying to use it as a benchmark for other corners.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;528279]If we dont pay Hall the money he wants now, we will be left with three choices:

1) Pay Hall significantly more money later on.
2) [B]Let Hall walk and pay someone of lesser talent money comparable to what hall wants now.[/B]
3) Let Hall walk and don't do anything of consequence to improve the CB situation. Use a high draft pick on a corner in 2009 or 2010.[/quote]

Can you explain this? Are you saying that we should let Hall walk and pay someone with lesser talent the money Hall wants? Why on earth would we do this, if we were to do this, why wouldn't we just sign Hall?

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[quote=Ruhskins;528285]Can you explain this? Are you saying that we should let Hall walk and pay someone with lesser talent the money Hall wants? Why on earth would we do this, if we were to do this, why wouldn't we just sign Hall?[/quote]

ok that is crazy.... you quoted and posted a post i hadnt submitted yet. The post at the top of the page, i just submitted less than 1 minute ago. this is creepy!

I said that because every year, once free agency starts, prices rise and they keep rising. In the end, a lesser talent like Leigh Bodden or Dre Bly is going to cost us just as much to sign as it would have cost to sign Hall a week ago... teams have a ton of cap space and if they need an upgrade at a position, they'll overpay for him. that puts other teams in a panic and then they overpay. the standard of pay is constantly raised (simple supply/demand relationship)

of course, theres always the option to let skip the first crazy couple of weeks in free agency and then go after the scraps that are left over, but you are always left with marginal guys when you do that. youre getting cheap replacements and your team is worse off as a result.

IMO, the smart teams do the following in free agency:

1) Resign their own "top tier" free agents BEFORE free agency starts. You will save a ton of money short-term and long-term doing this. You also take the least amount of risk here becaues youre getting a guy you know works well in your system.
2) For the most part, avoid the first two weeks of free agency entirely. Let your own nominal players test the market (like we did with Rock last year). If they get an offer from another team, consider matching it, but dont break the bank. if you wait, you can get comparable nominal players once everything settles down at a cheaper price.
3) Upgrade your teams depth once everything "settles down" after all the big guys are signed.

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We didn't trade a 3rd and 4th for Kendall

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[quote=Mattyk72;528283]I think you can almost discount the deal the Raiders gave out. It's so off the charts and unconventional I don't think agents are going to have much success trying to use it as a benchmark for other corners.[/quote]

The contract itself is fairly unconventional, but it did raise the bar. I think the contract for Chris Gamble is what most teams will go off of. Haydens contract with Indy is very similar. Thats the benchmark guys like Hall, Bodden, Bly, and others will be looking at. obviously, the guys have varying skill levels, but their agents will be looking at those contracts and trying to get their players contracts along the same lines, with the total value and garaunteed money increasing or decreasing depending on the players perceived value as opposed to that of Gamble and Hayden (long sentence, h ope it makes sense)

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I think the FO is handling it reasonably, which is to let the market shake out.
I imagine Hall could sign a contract with multi-million dollars guaranteed right now with us, and this after getting 8million from the Raiders. I think a reasonable argument can be made that if Hall is holding us up for the Max dollars, then chances are he has not learned anything and his time with us was just to get a fat contract.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;528298]I think a reasonable argument can be made that if Hall is holding us up for the Max dollars, then chances are he has not learned anything and his time with us was just to get a fat contract.[/quote]
Stop with this logic and well reasoned thinking, it has no place here. :laughing-

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I think you mean Haydens contract with Indianapolis.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;528298]I think the FO is handling it reasonably, which is to let the market shake out.
I imagine Hall could sign a contract with multi-million dollars guaranteed right now with us, and this after getting 8million from the Raiders. I think a reasonable argument can be made that if Hall is holding us up for the Max dollars, then chances are he has not learned anything and his time with us was just to get a fat contract.[/quote]

Well said my friend.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;528294][B]ok that is crazy.... you quoted and posted a post i hadnt submitted yet. The post at the top of the page, i just submitted less than 1 minute ago. this is creepy![/B]

I said that because every year, once free agency starts, prices rise and they keep rising. In the end, a lesser talent like Leigh Bodden or Dre Bly is going to cost us just as much to sign as it would have cost to sign Hall a week ago... teams have a ton of cap space and if they need an upgrade at a position, they'll overpay for him. that puts other teams in a panic and then they overpay. the standard of pay is constantly raised (simple supply/demand relationship)

of course, theres always the option to let skip the first crazy couple of weeks in free agency and then go after the scraps that are left over, but you are always left with marginal guys when you do that. youre getting cheap replacements and your team is worse off as a result.

IMO, the smart teams do the following in free agency:

1) Resign their own "top tier" free agents BEFORE free agency starts. You will save a ton of money short-term and long-term doing this. You also take the least amount of risk here becaues youre getting a guy you know works well in your system.
2) For the most part, avoid the first two weeks of free agency entirely. Let your own nominal players test the market (like we did with Rock last year). If they get an offer from another team, consider matching it, but dont break the bank. if you wait, you can get comparable nominal players once everything settles down at a cheaper price.
3) Upgrade your teams depth once everything "settles down" after all the big guys are signed.[/quote]

Looks like you posted at 10:18 the part that he initially quoted then edited it later on at 10:49

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;528294]ok that is crazy.... you quoted and posted a post i hadnt submitted yet. The post at the top of the page, i just submitted less than 1 minute ago. this is creepy!

I said that because every year, once free agency starts, prices rise and they keep rising. In the end, a lesser talent like Leigh Bodden or Dre Bly is going to cost us just as much to sign as it would have cost to sign Hall a week ago... teams have a ton of cap space and if they need an upgrade at a position, they'll overpay for him. that puts other teams in a panic and then they overpay. the standard of pay is constantly raised (simple supply/demand relationship)

of course, theres always the option to let skip the first crazy couple of weeks in free agency and then go after the scraps that are left over, but you are always left with marginal guys when you do that. youre getting cheap replacements and your team is worse off as a result.

IMO, the smart teams do the following in free agency:

1) Resign their own "top tier" free agents BEFORE free agency starts. You will save a ton of money short-term and long-term doing this. You also take the least amount of risk here becaues youre getting a guy you know works well in your system.
2) For the most part, avoid the first two weeks of free agency entirely. Let your own nominal players test the market (like we did with Rock last year). If they get an offer from another team, consider matching it, but dont break the bank. if you wait, you can get comparable nominal players once everything settles down at a cheaper price.
3) Upgrade your teams depth once everything "settles down" after all the big guys are signed.[/quote]

BHA I have to agree w/ your last two posts but could play the devil's advocate here... Zorn and the FO may just be playing it very shrewd here if they have good reason to believe 1) Hall will not get the kind of money he's looking for elsewhere and/or 2) Hall is gonna prefer to stay close to home anyway then waiting till after FA begins will just save us some money. Honestly i've no real idea what the likely outcome is here... i will say if Hall walks away to get big money w/ a solid team and have great success in the years ahead when we could have signed him now for something reasonable then good fans ought to (rightly) start clamoring for an overhaul of the FO.

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If Hall signs a crazy deal elsewhere oh well. He's not worth bending over backwards for. But I'm sure people will blame the FO as usual. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

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[quote=SmootSmack;528296]We didn't trade a 3rd and 4th for Kendall[/quote]

Right, i forgot, it was duckett we gave up the 3rd and 4th for. kendall was just a 4th. i'll update my post. thanks.

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[quote=Mattyk72;528313][B]If Hall signs a crazy deal elsewhere[/B] oh well. He's not worth bending over backwards for. But I'm sure people will blame the FO as usual. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.[/quote]

You mean like with Oakland last year? That's not gonna happen because Hall learned his lesson. Money isn't everything. Remember?

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;528298]I think the FO is handling it reasonably, which is to let the market shake out.
I imagine Hall could sign a contract with multi-million dollars guaranteed right now with us, and this after getting 8million from the Raiders. I think a reasonable argument can be made that if Hall is holding us up for the Max dollars, then chances are he has not learned anything and his time with us was just to get a fat contract.[/quote]

sources inside reskins park indicated that when the redskins and Hall were talking a month ago, Hall was wanting 16M garaunteed and the skins were offering 12 and not budging.

Once Hall and his agent started seeing the kind of money other teams were going to be paying their corners, Hall likely decided his best option was to head to free agency. I mean, [B][I]why would a guy sign for 12M garaunteed when guys of equal or lesser talent to him are getting almost TWICE that (Hayden). [/I][/B] Hall would be a fool to sign with us for 12 at this point. At this point, Hall probably is the one holding things up. But we wouldnt even be in this situation if the skins had not given Hall 14-16M garaunteed when they had the chance a few weeks ago.

In the end, the redskins stingyness with its own free agents is apparent and in 2-3 years, we will look back on this as another dumb move by the FO.

[quote=53Fan;528317]You mean like with Oakland last year? That's not gonna happen because Hall learned his lesson. Money isn't everything. Remember?[/quote]
Yes, Hall learned that being part of a dysfunctional franchise for a lot of money is not worth it. if Hall resigns here, he would be signing with a dysfunctional franchise for not much money at all. He was willing to do that a month ago, because we were the team he grew up rooting for. Now, we've probably lost him.

if hall has learned his lesson, he will sign for his fair market value at a team that is well run. The skins stinginess may be the best thing that ever happens to him when he winds up with a team like New England, Baltimore, or Green Bay.

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Hayden's a lot better than Hall though.

Honestly, if his asking price is 14-16, he can go play somewhere else. He's never going to get that from anybody.

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[quote=GTripp0012;528321]Hayden's a lot better than Hall though.

Honestly, if his asking price is 14-16, he can go play somewhere else. He's never going to get that from anybody.[/quote]

Hayden is alot better than hall? Not by a long-shot. Hall will get 16 or more garaunteed if he hits the open market. He may very well even break 20. You can count on it.

I think you and i have vastly different opinions on how talented Hall is and perhaps even greater opinions on whether his character issues are a thing of the past or not.