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[quote=GTripp0012;532986]Cooley is a tradeable commodity at this time next year. He's absolutely going to be here in 2009 though, that's not up for debate.[/quote]

He was talking about JT not liking it here. Not Cooley.

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[quote=Lotus;532987]Yeah, he actually came off as somewhat of a jerk in that interview. And he said that he didn't "fit in at all" in Washington. With an attitude like that, perhaps we are not missing much having him gone. Except for missing 2 draft picks, that is.[/quote]



I like Boss but I would take Cooley in a NY min!

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[quote=tootergray34;532977]thank god for this, now we can pick up another OL in FA, and we can draft a LB in the draft. win win, he was a prima donna anyways, and we are better off.

Did anyone see the cooley interview? he basically said I don't like it here.[/quote]

You're talking about JT saying he did'nt like it here, not Cooley, right?

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[quote=Ruhskins;532979]By the way, the Sports Reporters are turning into the radio version of JLC. All they could do when the news of JT's release came about was to remind everyone repeatedly how stupid the team was for getting him in the first place. Granted, the team now looks stupid for having traded for JT, but they failed to mention how the team has the cap room to plug some holes (something that they were screaming about when AH was signed). Not to mention how they proceeded to talk about the pathetic Nats. Once again, I miss Riggo and his crew, they would've slammed the team (well at least Sheehan) but also would've talk about who the team can go after or how this changes the team's offseason plans.[/quote]

i agree, there are so many haters out there. i cant take it sometimes, I cant imagine how the players and the FO do it.

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[quote=Mattyk72;532998]He was talking about JT not liking it here. Not Cooley.[/quote]

Phew, good to get that cleared up.

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[quote=Mattyk72;532998]He was talking about JT not liking it here. Not Cooley.[/quote]I figured as much, but I do think my boy needs to really have a nice year in receiving this year. This is probably the wrong thread for this though.

I am glad Cooley has kept a low profile this offseason thus far. As one of the team leaders, what the Redskins are doing this offseason seems pretty objectionable, but good for the long term health of the franchise.

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[quote=53Fan;533000]You're talking about JT saying he did'nt like it here, not Cooley, right?[/quote]

Let's get it straight...Jason Taylor said he did not like the Redskins in Cooley's blog.

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[quote=Bubba305-ST21-;533001]i agree, there are so many haters out there. i cant take it sometimes, I cant imagine how the players and the FO do it.[/quote]

They cry themselves to the bank every pay day.
These guys are adult professionals and they are makng a ton of money.
You do not have to feel sorry for them.
PLus this is DC. It has alwys been this way when it comes to the Redskins.
They worships them when they are winning and throw them under thebus when they are losing. It has always been this way.
You have to have thick skin.

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JT needed to go especially for 3.5 sacks with an 8.5 mil salary. It gives us 8.5 mil in cap to sign Evans, and Crowell (LB from Buffalo) to fill in as a 1-2 year starter. Then draft a OT at 13, but if Oher or Smith are gone we trade down and draft Alex Mack.

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[quote=Bubba305-ST21-;533001]i agree, there are so many haters out there. i cant take it sometimes, I cant imagine how the players and the FO do it.[/quote]

How do they do it? They do it by getting million dollar paychecks for playing a kids game for 5-6 months out of the year, that's how they do it. Duh!
As for Taylor, this looks more like they found an excuse to get rid of him and have been setting up another scenario, maybe having to do with trading up or down and are after somebody specific in the draft.

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I like the move. I've been hoping that they would go ahead and release him to use that money somewhere else.Well I knows this has been said but I think we should bring back Evans and Daniels. If Orakpo drops to us at 13 then we have the money to sign him. If not then we have a Run Stopping End at the position already.

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[quote=Defensewins;533005]They cry themselves to the bank every pay day.
These guys are adult professionals and they are makng a ton of money.
You do not have to feel sorry for them.
PLus this is DC. It has alwys been this way when it comes to the Redskins.
The worships them when the are winning and throw them under thebus when they are losing. It has always been this way.
You have to have thick skin.[/quote]

yeah your right. i just find myself getting mad at it all the time.

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I tend to agree w/ the many posts saying we should sign Willis, who btw is the highest rated OT left in FA according to walterfootball.com. Willis started most of last season at RT and a few games at guard and only gave up 1.5 sacks... better than most of our line can say. Buges will do wonders w/ this kid so IMHO this is a no brainer... sign him. Evans/Daniels are the next order of business. I say give Evans a real contract and sign Daniels for the vet min. Hunter the Punter makes sense.

Where I'm unsure is LB. Honestly i doubt anybody out there can help us much. London wants us to grab Crowell, who is very talented, but there's no way London can know how deteriorated Crowell's knees are so there is a major risk factor. June is very smallish for an NFC East LB (part of why i think the Boley signing in NY was a little dumb). I actually think we should bring Marcus back for a 2 yr contract on the cheap and let him play WLB where he won't get stuck in coverage. Then, assuming we've got Willis, we take a LB in the draft.

... btw his name is Rey

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im on the orakpo bandwagon....hes a pure physical speciman

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[quote=vallin21;533006]JT needed to go especially for 3.5 sacks with an 8.5 mil salary. It gives us 8.5 mil in cap to sign Evans, and Crowell (LB from Buffalo) to fill in as a 1-2 year starter. Then draft a OT at 13, but if Oher or Smith are gone we trade down and draft Alex Mack.[/quote]

I agree. I was excited to see what Taylor could do along side of Haynesworth, but it is not meant to be. Also, it sounds like we are already going to have a guy we will need to let freelance in Haynesworth. Allowing Taylor to freelance too would spell trouble.

So, with the cap room get:
Evans - 1.5 mil
Daniels - 1.2 mil
Kendall - 1.5 mil
Crowell - ? (address LB)
Willis - ? (address OT)
Vet Receiver
Draft OT or LB 1st

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..something just smells fishy here. the timing of this cut is just very strange to me and then the reasoning? They are going to make another splash here somehow... Peppers.?
The FO may copy the giants success and make the DL the strength and we know how Danny likes things in excess so Peppers and Haynesworth should keep him in the headlines.

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We never should have made the deal for Jason Taylor. Parcells stuck it in us. And by "us" I mean Snyderatto. Snyderattooooooooooooo!

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Some talk now of maybe Marcus Washington coming back, I'd be surprised though.I think Daniels will be back, but that was probably going to happen anyway. And maybe Evans comes back as well? I think a lot will depend on whether the 49ers actually sign Kurt Warner. Though they clearly have the cap room to sign both.

I'd love for us to do the following. Sign Hunter Smith. Trade down and get Tyson Jackson and Duke Robinson/Eben Britton and then Marcus Freeman in the 3rd (or get Matthews or Sintim instead of Robinson/Britton and then maybe Fulton in the 3rd.

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Why all the suspicion surrounding Peppers. The guy adamantly said he wanted to play in the 3-4 scheme... that would be the worst the FO could make.

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[quote=The Goat;533023]Why all the suspicion surrounding Peppers. The guy adamantly said he wanted to play in the 3-4 scheme... that would be the worst the FO could make.[/quote]

And he clearly has certain teams in mind, and we're not one of them.

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honestly i dont want daniels back. he will be 36 in this season, plus coming off a serious injury, his 2nd since he came to the redskins. re-sign evans and look for another DE through the draft or FA

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[quote=Ruhskins;533024]And he clearly has certain teams in mind, and we're not one of them.[/quote]

Right. So again why the suspicion he is the target?

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[quote=GoSkins!;533016]I agree. I was excited to see what Taylor could do along side of Haynesworth, but it is not meant to be. Also, it sounds like we are already going to have a guy we will need to let freelance in Haynesworth. Allowing Taylor to freelance too would spell trouble.

So, with the cap room get:
Evans - 1.5 mil
Daniels - 1.2 mil
Kendall - 1.5 mil
Crowell - ? (address LB)
Willis - ? (address OT)
Vet Receiver
Draft OT or LB 1st[/quote]
If one of our goals is to get younger and more explosive why would we bring back a 30 year old DE (Evans), a 36 year old DE (Daniels) and a 35 year old G (Kendall) plus a LB coming off a major knee injury?

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[quote=Paintrain;533027]If one of our goals is to get younger and more explosive why would we bring back a 30 year old DE (Evans), a 33 year old DE (Daniels) and a 35 year old G (Kendall) plus a LB coming off a major knee injury?[/quote]

Because we are the Redskins

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[quote=WaldSkins;533028]Because we are the Redskins[/quote]

Damn you for using logic.

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[quote=WaldSkins;533028]Because we are the Redskins[/quote]

Well if whoever proposed getting all these all players yes, but otherwise this whole offseason we've been getting young players. So hopefully they continue this trend.

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...well it was also stated that of the 4 teams Peppers wanted to play for 3 of the 4 teams were in the NFC east. Only 1 team here plays a 3-4 so i dont know how true that statement was to begin with. Dallas is dealing with Ware's contract already plus just signed old bum ass Brooking. The Giants just signed 3 new defensive players to an already stacked D... and the Eagles...well they dont even know what they are doing...see Housh... they normally stick to the draft. That leaves 1 big pocket owner who just cleared 8 million off his cap and a major need at DE....hmmmmm

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Just a thought... Now there's cap room for Cutler right?

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[quote=Ruhskins;533030]Well if whoever proposed getting all these all players yes, but otherwise this whole offseason we've been getting young players. So hopefully they continue this trend.[/quote]

I think we need to focus on the draft. Id like to see us release Betts in order to free up room to bring in a back that could offset Portis. Betts has the same running style as Portis, we need a back with big play ability.

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My first priority would be to sign Crowell especially if Fletcher told the FO he is a good player and he's 27. He can be a 1-2 year starter and if his knees hold up we can think about giving him a long term deal, but I would give him a 2 yr 4 million dollar deal w/ incentives (staying healthy). I agree with most of you guys about signing Willis, and drafting Orakpo and make him our DE.

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[quote=vallin21;533040]My first priority would be to sign Crowell especially if Fletcher told the FO he is a good player and he's 27. He can be a 1-2 year starter and if his knees hold up we can think about giving him a long term deal, but I would give him a 2 yr 4 million dollar deal w/ incentives (staying healthy). I agree with most of you guys about signing Willis, and drafting Orakpo and make him our DE.[/quote]

Don't we already have a LB with bad knees(Mcintosh)

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This was a surprise, I would have thought he would at least play one more year. What a f'ing waste of a draft pick.

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It'd be kind of ironic if the Bucs pass on Crowell in order to sign Jason Taylor and then we swoop in and get Crowell.

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[quote=saden1;533044]This was a surprise, I would have thought he would at least play one more year. What a f'ing waste of a draft pick.[/quote]

Two draft picks...

I am starting to really get pissed over this.

I think you can make the argument that even after adding Haynesworth, Hall and Dockery that we aren't any better than our opening day roster last year now that we have lost Taylor, Springs and Washington (also assuming that Kendall is gone).

A whole lot of money spent and nothing to show for it...

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[quote=WaldSkins;533043]Don't we already have a LB with bad knees(Mcintosh)[/quote]

I'm willing to take the risk WaldSkins, and if he doesn't work out we don't take a cap hit. I see this as a low risk/high reward deal. He can play all the LB positions and he's still 27. I would then sign Willis and then take Orakpo at 13.

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Yeah Crowell is a huge risk... sort of similar to the DE we had as a backup part of the last year (name?). I think some people aren't facing reality: there's very little LB talent left in FA... the younger/healthier guy June is too small. The rest are pretty questionable SO WHOEVER WE BRING ON IS EITHER FOR DEPTH OR A SPOT STARTER. Sorry for yelling. Meanwhile Evans, surprise, is listed right near the top in DE talent left in FA. Sign Evans tonight. Keep Daniels on at vet min for an insurance policy and because he's an important locker room leader. Bottom line: we basically have to come away from the draft w/ a legit starter at LB.

This is the way I see the defense... and btw Orakpo ain't falling to us @ 13 and it's for the best. Kid has phenom physique but will be oft injured in the NFL...

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how about crowell AND burnett? not like we are loaded at LB

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;533048]Two draft picks...

I am starting to really get pissed over this.

I think you can make the argument that even after adding Haynesworth, Hall and Dockery that we aren't any better than our opening day roster last year now that we have lost Taylor, Springs and Washington (also assuming that Kendall is gone).

A whole lot of money spent and nothing to show for it...[/quote]

Ah ha. Another advocate for bringing Marcus back ;) Can't agree w/ you on Springs and Taylor though as neither contributed much last year.

... and we will be more talented on both sides of the ball come opening day ;)

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;533048]Two draft picks...

I am starting to really get pissed over this.

I think you can make the argument that even after adding Haynesworth, Hall and Dockery that we aren't any better than our opening day roster last year now that we have lost Taylor, Springs and Washington (also assuming that Kendall is gone).

A whole lot of money spent and nothing to show for it...[/quote]

I think just their age and durability issues as they get older make Dockery and Hall improvements over Kendall and Springs. That doesn't even include Washington's issues staying healthy. And Haynesworth is arguably better than all of them combined at this point in their career.

But yeah, the experiment failed with Jason Taylor. But now we got to make some pina colada out of this coconut and take advantage of these $8 million we have.

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I could see the FO being a more realistically short-sided than they have been. We've signed a good bunch of younger FA talent. We'll prob sign two of these three DEs:

Daniels- 36
Evans- 29
Bert Berry- 34 (Arizona)

hell, maybe all three. gives us experience and depth for not too much money, and leaves more room to address the OL/LB spots