Re: Mark Sanchez at 13th?
 

[quote=T.O.Killa;545125]I am not saying that his final mock is different, but the mock that is shown was probably updated many times.[/quote]

You may be right, but that's another reason to take his pick with a grain of salt. I have no problem with Kiper, he doe's the best job he can with what he has to work with, but I find his opinion a little more ventriloquist than others of his profession.

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[quote=MeanEvilSkin;545111]If Danny was watching SortsCenter this morning, we're taking Sanchez. That is, until they showcase another player next week. And then...[/quote]

MeanEvilSkin, I hope that Danny is reading your sig.

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[quote=Sean"Big Hurt"Taylor;540755] Before I get flack for this thread I know we need oline help as well as LB and DE help but franchise quarterbacks brings championships. Guys what do you think?[/quote]

I like Sanchez, if we draft him it wouldn't make much sense though.
Even if you consider QB a need,[B][U] which i don't[/U][/B], we have much more pressing needs on the OL, DL and OLB.

Drafting Sanchez imo would show that this franchise truely has no idea how to build a championship winning team.
I thought that Vinnie finally had total control but if we draft Sanchez it will settle once and for all the question of who really calls the shots for the Skins.

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There's no way in hell were drafting Sanchez at 13.

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The Washington Times is reporting today that the Redskins are could pick Sanchez at thirteen. I think if the Redskins realy are going after him they wont wait for thirteen. They will wait till the Jags pick and try to trade ip to get him. It is not in our nature to wait on a pick.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;545291]The Washington Times is reporting today that the Redskins are could pick Sanchez at thirteen. I think if the Redskins realy are going after him they wont wait for thirteen. They will wait till the Jags pick and try to trade ip to get him. [B]It is not in our nature to wait on a pick.[/B][/quote]
Didn't we wait last year, and then when our pick was gone, we traded down? I see that same scenario this year, and this talk of Sanchez is just smoke and mirrors - i hope.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;545293]Didn't we wait last year, and then when our pick was gone, we traded down? I see that same scenario this year, and this talk of Sanchez is just smoke and mirrors - i hope.[/quote]
Yeah, but last year they said from day one that they wanted to trade down. This year they said they want to trade down, but they have shown an awful lot of interest in Sanchez. They also have shown that that are not in love with Campbell. The Redskins run their organization, kind of like the Mofia. Once they decide they dont like you they get rid of you. The only guy, I ever saw that did not happen to immediatly was Springs. I think it was because they just had no alternative, what so ever.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;545291]The Washington Times is reporting today that the Redskins are could pick Sanchez at thirteen. I think if the Redskins realy are going after him they wont wait for thirteen. They will wait till the Jags pick and try to trade ip to get him. It is not in our nature to wait on a pick.[/quote]

I just went through the Washington Times website and didn't find the story. Are you thinking of the Mel Kiper mock draft? Come on man, I know you hate JC, but at least give us a link or something.

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[quote=Ruhskins;545304]I just went through the Washington Times website and didn't find the story. Are you thinking of the Mel Kiper mock draft? Come on man, I know you hate JC, but at least give us a link or something.[/quote]
Hey, I dont hate JC. I think he is the best role model and just a stand up guy. If the Redskins dont get rid of him, and he does well I would be the first to jump on the band wagon. With that said, I just dont think that he has the talent to lead us to the Superbowl. Even when we were 6-2, I was still skeptical. We were scoring field goals to win games that we should have blown open. I taped every game, and because I am neurotic watched them over and over again. The problem was not realy the O-Line, it was JC could not find the open reciever fast enough. Also, his dump off passes are inacurrate much of time. I think JC is a vertical passer. He is not siuted for the west coast system. Anyway, here is the link.
[URL="http://www.kffl.com/hotw/nfl"]Hot off the Wire - Fantasy Football News[/URL]

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Why don't we actually read the story in the Washington Times?

[QUOTE]H.D. Woodson alum Byron Leftwich has agreed to a deal with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. He left offers from Pittsburgh (he was a Steelers backup QB last year) and the Redskins (offered the veteran minimum last weekend) on the table.

Leftwich wants to start the Bucs give him the best chance. Josh McCown is the only candidate to start. In Pittsburgh, Ben Roethlisberger is the franchise starter; with the Redskins, Jason Campbell is the starter and Leftwich probably figured Jim Zorn would be patient with Campbell.

There aren't a lot of veterans on the market so the Redskins might be forced to stick with Todd Collins as the back up and Colt Brennan as the third stringer entering camp.

[B]But there's one thing that could change the complexion of everything.

His name is Mark Sanchez.

If he's still on the board at No. 13, will Dan Snyder -- who tried to deal Campbell last week to Denver for Jay Cutler -- choose the USC passer and start over (again)?

It's possible. I don't think Sanchez will be on the board when the Redskins pick. San Francisco and Denver should have an interest[/B].[/QUOTE]

[url=http://washingtontimes.com/weblogs/redskins/2009/apr/12/leftwich-chooses-tampa/]Leftwich chooses Tampa - - Washington Times - Politics, Breaking News, US and World News[/url]

(Heaven forbid anyone actually read)

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[quote=GMScud;540756]:doh:[/quote]

Ditto.

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I mean first of all Sanchez is a big mistake for us. But second doensn't it seem like a trade-down scenario is more likely than say a month ago? Basically, teams picking in the bottom third of the draft who really want a guy like Rey, a top DE, or one of the top 2 RB will need to trade up IMHO to get what they want. Teams picking after us up through Detroit at 20 desperately need RB, LB or DE help and I just really think the top talent at those positions will be gone after the 20th pick. I say this cuz guys like Cushing have fallen a bit and there just isn't a tremendous amount of impact talent at these positions after the first few on the board. My thinking is Vinny probably wants to trade-down like he did last year, though I'm not saying this is necessarily what I want. I mean if a team wants to trade up to 13, lose picks in the process, to grab a special player shouldn't we be looking at the player for ourselves?

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[url=http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09000d5d80fb5670&template=without-video-with-comments&confirm=true]Junior QBs have talent, but maturity might play bigger role in their futures[/url]

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Here is our pick at 13 hopefully. Got this off another board.

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=md-EZ6TOWyw]YouTube - LT Andre Smith Highlights Alabama 2008[/url]

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Here are the facts:
1. Vinny Cerrato has publically said he wants to trade DOWN in this years draft.
2. The Redskins have 3 major needs are OT, DE, and LB and everyone knows it.
3. The Redskins, who have shown no interest in QB Jason Campbell have actively pursued Jay Cutler but were outbid at the last second by the Bears.
4. The Redskins are now actively showing interest in QB Mark Sanchez.
5. Mel Kiper says the Skins have something up their sleeve.

What do these facts tell us? Well, anything can happen, but i think there are two likely possibilities:

1. The Redskins are dead set on acquiring a franchise QB in the draft and are so determined, they don't care if everyone knows they are going to do it and it results in the move costing them much more than it otherwise would. The Redskins will attempt to trade up and draft Sanchez.

2. The Redskins will not draft a QB, or a OT, LB, or DE for that matter. They are targeting another player (likely RB or WR) and they want to make sure no one trades above them to select the player.

Right now, i'd weight the likelyhood of skins moves as follows:

A. Complete WTF Move (Drafting Moreno or trading up to draft Crabtree) - 35%
B. Drafting Mark Sanchez (possibly by trading up) - 30%
C. Trading Down - 20%
D. Drafting the best OT, LB, or DE available at 13 - 15%

Also, if Option D happens, id say there's greater than a 50% chance we trade our 2010 first rounder for additional picks.

Also, i'd say theres greater than a 50% chance that Carlos Rogers, Jason Campbell, or Santana Moss are traded on draft day. (Rogers and Moss have both been shopped this offseason. We've been unreasonably stingy despite having ample cap space. I beleive we're keeping the space to enable us to take the resulting cap hit if one of these players is traded).

Re: Mark Sanchez at 13th?
 

[quote=T.O.Killa;545316]Hey, I dont hate JC. I think he is the best role model and just a stand up guy. If the Redskins dont get rid of him, and he does well I would be the first to jump on the band wagon. With that said, I just dont think that he has the talent to lead us to the Superbowl. Even when we were 6-2, I was still skeptical. We were scoring field goals to win games that we should have blown open. I taped every game, and because I am neurotic watched them over and over again. The problem was not realy the O-Line, it was JC could not find the open reciever fast enough. Also, his dump off passes are inacurrate much of time. I think JC is a vertical passer. He is not siuted for the west coast system. Anyway, here is the link.
[URL="http://www.kffl.com/hotw/nfl"]Hot off the Wire - Fantasy Football News[/URL][/quote]

Hey man, I was kinda busting your chops from your the post Jay Cutler non-trade. I just checked the KFFL website and the links to the WashTimes were broken links. I was curious to know if there were other sources in addition to Mel Kiper about the team getting Sanchez at #13. Honestly, I think it's just all smoke screens.

I kinda agree with you regarding the offense, even when we were 6-2. However, I blame a lot of it on the offensive line, given that Portis was shut down in the second half of the season. I don't think we can be a balanced team, but this season our offense needs to be able to compliment the defense.

Re: Mark Sanchez at 13th?
 

[quote=SmootSmack;545322]Why don't we actually read the story in the Washington Times?



[URL="http://washingtontimes.com/weblogs/redskins/2009/apr/12/leftwich-chooses-tampa/"]Leftwich chooses Tampa - - Washington Times - Politics, Breaking News, US and World News[/URL]

(Heaven forbid anyone actually read)[/quote]

Doesn't sound too firm huh?

If we don't have who we want on board at 13 I'd be open to trading to let the Broncos have their 12th AND the 13th and us picking up the 18th and 48th or so, a lil more to us on the "value chart" and still gives us the chance of picking up a good guy, though at 18 you're starting to get to the end of the first round talent, I guess I'd have to ask some of you guys that value the college players whether it'd be better or indifferent to have an 18th or say a 23rd.

Re: Mark Sanchez at 13th?
 

[quote=Sonny9TD;545366]Here is our pick at 13 hopefully. Got this off another board.

[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=md-EZ6TOWyw"]YouTube - LT Andre Smith Highlights Alabama 2008[/URL][/quote]

Gotta love the youth and athleticism. I almost forgot what it looked like for a DE to get around the side of an OT and have the OT rotate around with him and keep him out of the play/off of the QB.

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Hey Ruhskins the link is broken but here is what it said-

Redskins | Interested in Sanchez?
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"Ryan O'Halloran, of The Washington Times, reports the Washington Redskins could possibly select Southern California QB Mark Sanchez with the No. 13 pick in the NFL Draft should Sanchez remain on the board."

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If we DO draft Sanchez I'd imagine he'd sit for a year right? I mean showing lack of faith in Campbell really isn't going to give us much trade bait if we decided to trade him this year and possibly less next year right?

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we trade either carlos, moss, or even fred davis. Not just JC from what I have been hearing

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If the Skins do go for Sanchez (which I hope they do not) then it makes you wonder what and who they are going to put on the trading block etc..

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[quote=tryfuhl;545408]Gotta love the youth and athleticism. I almost forgot what it looked like for a DE to get around the side of an OT and have the OT rotate around with him and keep him out of the play/off of the QB.[/quote]

Yes sir. Please let it happen.

Re: Mark Sanchez at 13th?
 

See this is why JLC knows so little. We wont have a third round draft choice. We will trade it along with our first round draft choice. [url=http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/]Redskins Insider - Your daily source for news and commentary on the Washington Redskins, by Jason La Canfora[/url]

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I think all this "Redskins getting Sanchez" stuff is only to fueled the skins ability to trade down. We need more picks and getting a team below us to bite on Sanchez will give us the opportunity to get what we really want. I'm hoping a trade down with Detroit for the first they got from Dallas, their second and a conditional pick. Enabling them to draft Jason Smith 1st overall, then take Sanchez with the 13th. we may only take Sanchez to trade him later for picks a-la Eli Manning.

Re: Mark Sanchez at 13th?
 

[quote=diehardskin2982;545998]I think all this "Redskins getting Sanchez" stuff is only to fueled the skins ability to trade down. We need more picks and getting a team below us to bite on Sanchez will give us the opportunity to get what we really want. I'm hoping a trade down with Detroit for the first they got from Dallas, their second and a conditional pick. Enabling them to draft Jason Smith 1st overall, then take Sanchez with the 13th. we may only take Sanchez to trade him later for picks a-la Eli Manning.[/quote]

I really hope that is the case; I truly dread the idea of drafting Sanchez.. If we draft Sanchez, we pretty much can assume that JC and Zorn are not going to come back for next year.. Therefore, our new coach would be stuck with Sanchez, the one who was not part of the part when the FO decides to draft Sanchez.. I'm pretty sure our new coach would want to draft his own QB such as McCoy or Tebow or whoever else.. That would not be pretty good scenario..

Re: Mark Sanchez at 13th?
 

[quote=T.O.Killa;545985]See this is why JLC knows so little. We wont have a third round draft choice. We will trade it along with our first round draft choice. [URL="http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/"]Redskins Insider - Your daily source for news and commentary on the Washington Redskins, by Jason La Canfora[/URL][/quote]

Yeah, JLC is blogging that the danny now is "smitten" w/Sanchez. This is unusual in that usually JLC has the scoop first. I started hearing the sanchez stuff from the warpath via Kiper. I don't recall JLC posting anything about sanchez, e.g. inside sources say Snyder & Vinny want to draft Sanchez.

Regardless, Kiper & now JLC are saying Sanchez. I'm sadly inclined to defer to their professionalism (which I respect in both); there must be some truth to the Danny's desire to draft Sanchez.

I'm hoping that some team in the top 10 nabs him, or that finally the FO actually fools some teams & pulls off a major trade to get more picks.

Re: Mark Sanchez at 13th?
 

[quote=diehardskin2982;545998]I think all this "Redskins getting Sanchez" stuff is only to fueled the skins ability to trade down. We need more picks and getting a team below us to bite on Sanchez will give us the opportunity to get what we really want. [b]I'm hoping a trade down with Detroit for the first they got from Dallas, their second and a conditional pick.[/b] Enabling them to draft Jason Smith 1st overall, then take Sanchez with the 13th. we may only take Sanchez to trade him later for picks a-la Eli Manning.[/quote]

It would be highway robbery to get picks #20 and #33 for 13, let alone a conditional pick. The bad thing about this Sanchez stuff is that absent the prospect of drafting the guy I would have been hoping he would fall to #13 so that the Redskins would be in better position to trade back. Now I have to hope that someone in the top 8 or so picks him (picks #13 and #80 take the Skins to pick #8 or #9 if they want to jump up for Sanchez).

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[quote=freddyg12;546027]Yeah, JLC is blogging that the danny now is "smitten" w/Sanchez. This is unusual in that usually JLC has the scoop first. I started hearing the sanchez stuff from the warpath via Kiper. I don't recall JLC posting anything about sanchez, e.g. inside sources say Snyder & Vinny want to draft Sanchez.

Regardless, Kiper & now JLC are saying Sanchez. I'm sadly inclined to defer to their professionalism (which I respect in both); there must be some truth to the Danny's desire to draft Sanchez.

I'm hoping that some team in the top 10 nabs him, or that finally the FO actually fools some teams & pulls off a major trade to get more picks.[/quote]

A few things....first, where has JLC said that Danny is smitten with Sanchez? I haven't seen that anywhere. Second, shouldn't Mike Florio have been drawn to this like flies to sh!t? I mean he's the first one that fires off a story about a Redskins controversy.

If we draft Sanchez at 13th, then you can kiss a winning season goodbye. (Because I'd imagine they would get rid of Campbell)

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[quote=Ruhskins;546034]A few things....first, where has JLC said that Danny is smitten with Sanchez? I haven't seen that anywhere. Second, shouldn't Mike Florio have been drawn to this like flies to sh!t? I mean he's the first one that fires off a story about a Redskins controversy.

If we draft Sanchez at 13th, then you can kiss a winning season goodbye. (Because I'd imagine they would get rid of Campbell)[/quote]

Read this post from the insider:

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2009-nfl-draft/greg-toler---a-name-to-watch-i.html]Redskins Insider - Keep an Eye on Toler in 3rd Round of Draft[/url]

What surpised me about it was there was no 'heads up' post like JLC usually does. Typically if he gets something its on the blog.

Come to think of it, after earlier saying I had to trust his reporting, the way he stated this might mean that he's only read the same stuff as us. If he has a source he'll state it as an "unamed source" or such.

As several on here have said, JLC might not have the sources inside redskins part anymore.

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[quote=SC Skins Fan;546030]It would be highway robbery to get picks #20 and #33 for 13, let alone a conditional pick. The bad thing about this Sanchez stuff is that absent the prospect of drafting the guy I would have been hoping he would fall to #13 so that the Redskins would be in better position to trade back. Now I have to hope that someone in the top 8 or so picks him (picks #13 and #80 take the Skins to pick #8 or #9 if they want to jump up for Sanchez).[/quote]

On the surface I'd agree w/you, but if you really want a player, especially a QB, on draft day you've got to do whatever you can to move up. If the Skins have someone convinced that the player they want is at #13 & set the bar high for trades, then #20 & #33 for a QB isn't too much. We've seen recently that it took 2 1st rounders + for a franchise qb. I know a rookie isn't in the same boat, but if detroit likes him but doesn't want to take him at #1, trading w/us makes a lot of sense IMO, even if they give up 20 & 33.

I'm totally w/you on hoping he is there at 13, but only to increase our trade potential, not for us to draft him.

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JLC is worthless if you are looking for inside info about the Redskins.

He has zero access, because he works for the Post. The long running fued between Dan Snyder and the Post is still ongoing and Snyder makes sure no one in the inner circle talks with JLC.

JLC is the writer of "Redskins Outsider."

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[quote=wilsowilso;546046]JLC is worthless if you are looking for inside info about the Redskins.

He has zero access, because he works for the Post. The long running fued between Dan Snyder and the Post is still ongoing and Snyder makes sure no one in the inner circle talks with JLC.

JLC is the writer of "Redskins Outsider."[/quote]

I've found him to be reliable over the years, but I agree w/you that Snyder & co. have tried their hardest to limit access to the Post, and most media for that matter.

That said, now JLC is saying that "team & league sources" say we're interested in Sanchez;

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2009-nfl-draft/skins-interest-in-sanchez-stil.html]Redskins Insider - Skins' Interest in Sanchez Still Strong[/url]

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I pray that Sanchez is off the board before #13, or that this talk is just a smoke screen.

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[quote=freddyg12;546039]Read this post from the insider:

[URL="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2009-nfl-draft/greg-toler---a-name-to-watch-i.html"]Redskins Insider - Keep an Eye on Toler in 3rd Round of Draft[/URL]

What surpised me about it was there was no 'heads up' post like JLC usually does. Typically if he gets something its on the blog.

Come to think of it, after earlier saying I had to trust his reporting, the way he stated this might mean that he's only read the same stuff as us. If he has a source he'll state it as an "unamed source" or such.

As several on here have said, JLC might not have the sources inside redskins part anymore.[/quote]

This would be a stupid move before the fifth round. Toler for starters is projected as an undrafted free agent by ESPN. Sure guys get drafted later and earlier then expected but not 4 rounds early.

[quote=Mattyk72;546056]I pray that Sanchez is off the board before #13, or that this talk is just a smoke screen.[/quote]

Right now it's looking more like a cheech and chong smoke screen.

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[quote=freddyg12;546027]Yeah, JLC is blogging that the danny now is "smitten" w/Sanchez. This is unusual in that usually JLC has the scoop first. I started hearing the sanchez stuff from the warpath via Kiper. I don't recall JLC posting anything about sanchez, e.g. inside sources say Snyder & Vinny want to draft Sanchez.

Regardless, Kiper & now JLC are saying Sanchez. I'm sadly inclined to defer to their professionalism (which I respect in both); there must be some truth to the Danny's desire to draft Sanchez.

I'm hoping that some team in the top 10 nabs him, or that finally the FO actually fools some teams & pulls off a major trade to get more picks.[/quote]

Yeah, there's probably some truth to it i would guess. Multiple people reporting this. I didn't hear what Kiper said, but if he reporting the Skins interest than there is some truth to it. Now, the draft has got to play out. It's almost like the DS dinner w/ AH's agent or the Cutler infactuation rumors...both were just rampant speculation..cough cough.

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Let's put it this way. If Snyder and Cerrato decided that they want to go after Sanchez why would they tell a single other person about it?

They wouldn't.

It's just bad business revealing your hand like that. Snyder is a smart businessman.

As the de facto GM all these years not so much.

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[quote=wilsowilso;546068]Let's put it this way. If Snyder and Cerrato decided that they want to go after Sanchez why would they tell a single other person about it?

They wouldn't.

It's just bad business revealing your hand like that. Snyder is a smart businessman.

As the de facto GM all these years not so much.[/quote]

Its a subconcious cry for help and negative feedback.

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[quote=wilsowilso;546068]Let's put it this way. If Snyder and Cerrato decided that they want to go after Sanchez why would they tell a single other person about it?

They wouldn't.

It's just bad business revealing your hand like that. Snyder is a smart businessman.

As the de facto GM all these years not so much.[/quote]True, it didn't come out until after the draft that Cerrato was locked on Jerod Mayo. It was reported prior, but taken with a grain of salt.

We may very well be interested in Sanchez, but history shows 1) he's unlikely to be there at 13 and 2) we aren't likely to go up and get him.

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[quote=wilsowilso;546068]Let's put it this way. If Snyder and Cerrato decided that they want to go after Sanchez why would they tell a single other person about it?

They wouldn't.

It's just bad business revealing your hand like that. Snyder is a smart businessman. As the de facto GM all these years not so much.[/quote]

I doubt it would be DS leaking this. It's most likely as innocent as JLC/Kiper talking to one of their FO friends. Kiper/JLC may have asked how the Sanchez workout went. The reply could have been that they really liked what they saw. They were really impressed.

Doesn't necessarily mean they will draft him. There is definately some interest on the skins side thought i would think.