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[quote=Mattyk72;542465]Yeah seriously, I would love to see him blow the doors off the league this year and force Danny to open that wallet wide open.[/quote]

Too bad that will never happen and i'll tell you why.........because Campbell blows.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;542488][url=http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=2&offensiveStatisticCategory=RUSHING&conference=ALL&role=TM&season=2008&seasonType=REG&d-447263-s=RUSHING_YARDS_PER_GAME_AVG&d-447263-o=2&d-447263-n=1]NFL Stats: by Team Category[/url]

THEY HAD THE 12TH BEST ACCORDING TO NFL.COM (MAINLY BECAUSE CUTLER MAKES PLAYS WITH THAT ROCKET ARM LOL)

AND IF JC IS A "FRANCHISE" QB THEN WHY HAVN'T WE RESIGNED HIM TO A LONG TERM DEAL? THAT SHOWS YOU THAT THE TEAM DOESN'T TRUST HIM! SO I HOPE YOU GUYS ARE RIGHT ABOUT JC AND HE HAS A GREAT YEAR BECAUSE HE AND THE OLINE WERE OUR OFFENSIVE PROBLEMS LAST YEAR AND WE ALL KNOW THAT![/quote]

No need to yell....... and not signing JC to a super longterm deal has been a very smart move by our FO. Its not that we do not trust him, just that he has yet to prove without a doubt he is capable of running our team. He finally has consistency in a coaching staff, and a reason to go over and beyond (a potential new contract). All that will happen remains to be seen, but we do not have any reason to abandon hope in Campbell.

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[quote=SOUL-SKINS;542492]Too bad that will never happen and i'll tell you why.........because Campbell blows.[/quote]Why don't you worry about someone who actually underachieved last year like Fred Smoot, or Greg Blache?

Is it because you don't know what role they have on this team? You're knowledge of the team is only skin deep?

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[quote=soul-skins;542492]too bad that will never happen and i'll tell you why.........because campbell blows.[/quote]

no dude campbell is a good player but he's not a franchise!!!! Qb like cutler will be, i have always liked jc he is a class act but as far as our team goes he doesn't fit our system.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;542488][URL="http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=2&offensiveStatisticCategory=RUSHING&conference=ALL&role=TM&season=2008&seasonType=REG&d-447263-s=RUSHING_YARDS_PER_GAME_AVG&d-447263-o=2&d-447263-n=1"]NFL Stats: by Team Category[/URL]

THEY HAD THE 12TH BEST ACCORDING TO NFL.COM (MAINLY BECAUSE CUTLER MAKES PLAYS WITH THAT ROCKET ARM LOL)

AND IF JC IS A "FRANCHISE" QB THEN WHY HAVN'T WE RESIGNED HIM TO A LONG TERM DEAL?[B] THAT SHOWS YOU THAT THE TEAM DOESN'T TRUST HIM![/B] SO I HOPE YOU GUYS ARE RIGHT ABOUT JC AND HE HAS A GREAT YEAR [B]BECAUSE HE AND THE OLINE WERE OUR OFFENSIVE PROBLEMS LAST YEAR AND WE ALL KNOW THAT![/B][/quote]

That shows that Danny doesn't trust him. And we've all seen what a dimwit he is when it comes to football knowledge. The team definitely trusts him, and Zorn has had his back from day 1.

"We all know that" ??? Really? The O-line yes, Campbell? Not so much.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;542488][URL="http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=2&offensiveStatisticCategory=RUSHING&conference=ALL&role=TM&season=2008&seasonType=REG&d-447263-s=RUSHING_YARDS_PER_GAME_AVG&d-447263-o=2&d-447263-n=1"]NFL Stats: by Team Category[/URL]

THEY HAD THE 12TH BEST ACCORDING TO NFL.COM (MAINLY BECAUSE CUTLER MAKES PLAYS WITH THAT ROCKET ARM LOL)

AND IF JC IS A "FRANCHISE" QB THEN WHY HAVN'T WE RESIGNED HIM TO A LONG TERM DEAL? THAT SHOWS YOU THAT THE TEAM DOESN'T TRUST HIM! SO I HOPE YOU GUYS ARE RIGHT ABOUT JC AND HE HAS A GREAT YEAR BECAUSE HE AND THE OLINE WERE OUR OFFENSIVE PROBLEMS LAST YEAR AND WE ALL KNOW THAT![/quote]We're a self hating team that values all players on other teams above our own players?

Seriously, there's no need to type in caps. If you want to be taken seriously, all you have to do is make sense when you post. It's not that hard.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;542495]no dude campbell is a good player but he's not a franchise!!!! Qb like cutler will be, i have always liked jc he is a class act but as far as our team goes he doesn't fit our system.[/quote]This is a BHA argument but with poor punctuation.

Don't worry, the grammar police are asleep though. But now you're not making sense in terms of what you think of JC, other than he's not a franchise QB (and Cutler is, somehow, despite never posting a QB rating at or over 90).

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[quote=gtripp0012;542497]we're a self hating team that values all players on other teams above our own players?

Seriously, there's no need to type in caps. If you want to be taken seriously, all you have to do is make sense when you post. It's not that hard.[/quote]

yea how bush league is that!!

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Ha!!

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How come that didnt come out in caps? It totally ruined my joke.

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Let me come in with a late "Thank god the bears saved us from ourselves."

I was out coaching a youth football practice so I wasn't able to revel in a team out-dumbing the Skins FO. I think the bears gave up way too much for Cutler. Josh McDaniels must be loving it though because he has the very thing he needs to build a team the way he wants...kudos to him.

McDaniels is young and he's managed to walk away with maximum value for someone he wanted to discard. Talk about turning lemons into lemonade. This guy is in his 30's and should be considered a genius just for making teams clamour over a product like Cutler, a QB that was going to be a problem for him.

Hats off to people who actually know what they are doing.

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ok guys lol calm down

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Now looking back on this, as I said earlier, I feel that this was a Snyder tantrum, which Zorn and possibly VC had to go through. I'm glad that it is over, but looking at this from a different perspective, how 'bout that Denver front office? A good friend of mine is a huge Broncos fan and he's in shambles right now. He feels that McDaniels is destroying the franchise.

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[quote=Ruhskins;542504]Now looking back on this, as I said earlier, I feel that this was a Snyder tantrum, which Zorn and possibly VC had to go through. I'm glad that it is over, but looking at this from a different perspective, how 'bout that Denver front office? A good friend of mine is a huge Broncos fan and he's in shambles right now. He feels that McDaniels is destroying the franchise.[/quote]They got more than Cutler's worth in terms of draft picks, but if they go and waste those picks, then they would probably have just been better off with Cutler.

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[quote=Ruhskins;542504]Now looking back on this, as I said earlier, I feel that this was a Snyder tantrum, which Zorn and possibly VC had to go through. I'm glad that it is over, but looking at this from a different perspective, how 'bout that Denver front office? A good friend of mine is a huge Broncos fan and he's in shambles right now. He feels that McDaniels is destroying the franchise.[/quote]They got more than Cutler's worth in terms of draft picks, but if they go and waste those picks, then they would probably have just been better off with Cutler.

GTripp is playing the role of Dr. Obvious today.

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The bears saved us from ourselves two years in a row.
Last year it would have been our 1st rounder and McIntosh for Briggs.
This year is would have been two 1st rounders and who know what else.

Why couldnt they step up to the plate and at least save us some $$ on the Haynesworth deal?

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[quote=skinsfaninok;542495]no dude campbell is a good player but he's not a franchise!!!! Qb like cutler will be, i have always liked jc he is a class act but as far as our team goes he doesn't fit our system.[/quote]

We get it, you don't like Campbell and wanted Cutler. It didn't happen, move on.

I was conflicted when the news came down. It's like making an offer on a house that you really like but you know is overpriced and you can't really afford. You'd be nervously excited if you get it but disappointingly relieved that you didn't.

Before Tuesday I was perfectly fine with Campbell going into the season and I still am. The only thing that's changed for me is that I want the FO to extend him now so we can offset the damage (or perceived damage) of the past 2 days.

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The list of teams that deserve thank you notes from the Redskins once they win the division now include the Bears, the Bills, and the Titans.

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[quote=WaldSkins;542499]How come that didnt come out in caps? It totally ruined my joke.[/quote]

Ya GOTTA PUT 1 LOWERCASE IN IT OR THE BOARD CHANGES IT FOR YOU

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[quote=GTripp0012;542509]They got more than Cutler's worth in terms of draft picks, but if they go and waste those picks, then they would probably have just been better off with Cutler.

GTripp is playing the role of Dr. Obvious today.[/quote]

Well, McDaniels better develop Orton or Simms into a winner right away, and he better use those draft picks on defense; otherwise he'd be screwed.

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thank goodness this is over.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;542514]Ya GOTTA PUT 1 LOWERCASE IN IT OR THE BOARD CHANGES IT FOR YOU[/quote]

ToO LATE NOW

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I think everyone is overestimating what McDaniels can do. Everyone is acting like he chose both Brady and Cassel, no that was Pioli, who we can all agree knows how to draft and find fa talent.

We all know how an offensive coordinator with a great offense works out as a head coach, i.e. Norv Turner. I wish McDaniels the best, but it is not the smartest thing to alienate arguably your best player.

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Man, what's with f'ing Mike Florio??? Is he pissed off b/c his rumor didn't become a reality? I swear, we should flood his f'ing website.

[url=http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/04/02/suddenly-redskins-have-a-problem/]ProFootballTalk.com - Suddenly, Redskins Have A Problem[/url]

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[quote=Ruhskins;542515]Well, McDaniels better develop Orton or Simms into a winner right away, and he better use those draft picks on defense; otherwise he'd be screwed.[/quote]

Well...people who actually know what they're doing give NFL rookie coaches more of a window of just two years to start to win. You can't even bring your first draft class to fruition in two years! McDaniels won't have to find a standout QB in his first year. By the way, WHY the hell would any rookie head coach be on/considered the hot seat after his first year??? That is the most moronic thing I've heard and only my illustrious Skins FO can give that sentiment to a greenhorn coach.

Pat Bowlen knows that hiring McDaniels is going to entail some growing pains and has probably accounted a grace period of more than two years to see it out. McDaniels has more than plenty of advantages with all of those high picks, good for him and the Broncos.

Here's to building for the future...clink!

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[quote=Stacks42;542520]I think everyone is overestimating what McDaniels can do. Everyone is acting like he chose both Brady and Cassel, no that was Pioli, who we can all agree knows how to draft and find fa talent.

We all know how an offensive coordinator with a great offense works out as a head coach, i.e. Norv Turner. I wish McDaniels the best, but [B]it is not the smartest thing to alienate arguably your best player.[/B][/quote]

Or alienating the team's fanbase.

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I knew he was going to get traded, just didn't know where. Glad it's over.

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I'm really happy right now and I'm even more happy in the way JC (the real one) handled this. I seriously see him reflecting on this whole ordeal someday on Americas Game ;)

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[quote=Stacks42;542520]I think everyone is overestimating what McDaniels can do. Everyone is acting like he chose both Brady and Cassel, no that was Pioli, who we can all agree knows how to draft and find fa talent.

We all know how an offensive coordinator with a great offense works out as a head coach, i.e. Norv Turner. I wish McDaniels the best, but it is not the smartest thing to alienate arguably your best player.[/quote]

Orton had his best year last year, showed strong leadership, and played through a really tough ankle injury. I think McDaniels can get some get nice stats out of him in a bad division, their backfield will be healthy, and they can now use this new stockpile of draft picks to improve their defense.

Both Cutler and Denver are losers in this one, but I think Cutler is more of the loser.

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[quote=Skinny Tee;542523]Well...[B]people who actually know what they're doing[/B] give NFL rookie coaches more of a window of just two years to start to win. You can't even bring your first draft class to fruition in two years! McDaniels won't have to find a standout QB in his first year. By the way, WHY the hell would any rookie head coach be on/considered the hot seat after his first year??? That is the most moronic thing I've heard and only my illustrious Skins FO can give that sentiment to a greenhorn coach.

Pat Bowlen knows that hiring McDaniels is going to entail some growing pains and has probably accounted a grace period of more than two years to see it out. McDaniels has more than plenty of advantages with all of those high picks, good for him and the Broncos.

Here's to building for the future...clink![/quote]

The Denver FO gave the keys to the car to a 30something coach and who went on to run the starting QB out of town. One thing is to have a moronic rich owner that has crazy tantrums every now and then, but another is to hand the keys to the franchise to a young coach and have this happen.

Put yourself in the shoes of a Denver fan, your team had a young talented QB, and the ownerships hires a new coach that wants to bring a career back up that had one season? That's idiotic. Funny thing that we complain that our team doesn't have a true GM, you think maybe Denver could have used a GM to tell McDaniels to slow down a bit?

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Man we need something new to talk about.

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[quote=Ruhskins;542521]Man, what's with f'ing Mike Florio??? Is he pissed off b/c his rumor didn't become a reality? I swear, we should flood his f'ing website.

[URL="http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/04/02/suddenly-redskins-have-a-problem/"]ProFootballTalk.com - Suddenly, Redskins Have A Problem[/URL][/quote]

Yeah that's pretty lame. He brings up a game that took place 69 years ago? Wow.

I'm sure if we landed Cutler he'd be all over us for once again mortgaging the future for a big name.

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It's one thing to be aggressive with personnel moves like the Patriots, but it's another thing to be taking too many risks and risking too much with one player (several times)like the redskins have done. That's not calculated risk-taking, that's gambling. It's almost like Snyder and Cerrato are the ultimate gambling addicts.

Chicago took alot of risk in trading those picks for Cutler, but at least there haven't been several risks that they have taken like this over the last few years like the redskins have done.

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[quote=GMScud;542530]Yeah that's pretty lame. He brings up a game that took place 69 years ago? Wow.

I'm sure if we landed Cutler he'd be all over us for once again mortgaging the future for a big name.[/quote]

Everyone loves to bag our team, and everyone likes to read/hear what those who bag us have to say. Sadly it's just the cool thing to do.

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JC is showing class. I think he still is too passive and holds the ball too long, but I respect him a lot right now.

[url=http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/04/02/redskins-qb-campbell-gets-lesson-on-nfl-business/]NFL.com Blogs » Blog Archive Redskins QB Campbell given lesson on NFL business «[/url]

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[quote=warriorzpath;542531][B]It's one thing to be aggressive with personnel moves like the Patriots[/B], but it's another thing to be taking too many risks and risking too much with one player (several times)like the redskins have done. That's not calculated risk-taking, that's gambling. It's almost like Snyder and Cerrato are the ultimate gambling addicts.

Chicago took alot of risk in trading those picks for Cutler, but at least there haven't been several risks that they have taken like this over the last few years like the redskins have done.[/quote]

I think someone needs to sit McDaniels down and tell him the following:

- Bill Bellichick has three Superbowl rings and that allows him to do whatever the hell he wants in his team. You can't do whatever the hell you want when you're a rookie coach.

- You're supposed be a genius with QBs, why couldn't you work with Cutler?

- Unlike in Boston, in Denver football is the #1 sport. There are no Red Sox or Celtics to deflect attention. Don't piss off the fans anymore.

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I have a few questions?

1. Was our 6-2 start last year a product of Jason Campbell's ability to win games with his arm or our defense shutting opponents down and Clinton Portis running wild?

2. Teams [U]dared[/U] Campbell to beat them. When teams decided to take Portis away with 8 and 9 man fronts, how many games did Jason put this team on his back and win?

3. Look at any footage of Campbell and Cutler...tell me who is a better quarterback and who you, as a defensive coordinator, would dread playing against?

4. Do you think teams in our division are happy or sad that we didn't get Cutler?

Now that this Cutler madness is over, let me sya, that Campbell is a man of character and class from the way he has handled this situation. However, unlike many of you on this board, I was hoping like hell that we pulled off this deal. The only thing about the deal that made me uneasy was the amount of picks that we would have given up. However, if you break the bank, you dont break it for a Defensive Tackle, you break it for a QB with unlimited potential, like Cutler. With that said, I hope JC shuts up all of the doubters but we all need to be reminded that he has given doubters reason to doubt his ability to be our franchise QB. I would love to see JC succeed because that means we as fans will have something to cheer for other than free agency signings. But what bothers me about what I am reading on this board is the refusal to acknowledge that Cutler is light years better than Campbell. We couldnt get a second round pick for him if we tried. Im all about optimism and will support the hell out of JC this year, however, I am not blinded by my own optimism that I am a little bummed that we could not get a 25 year old Pro Bowl QB. Cutler is definitely a little girl, but a talented little girl at that. Imagine Cutler with our defense and Portis. Wow. As for now...reality is JC is our starter and we should all support him as Skins fans.

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don't know if this has already been posted? but apparently Redskins have a problem....
[url=http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/04/02/suddenly-redskins-have-a-problem/]ProFootballTalk.com - Suddenly, Redskins Have A Problem[/url]

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[quote=rypper11;542533]JC is showing class. I think [B]he still is too passive[/B] and holds the ball too long, but I respect him a lot right now.

[URL="http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/04/02/redskins-qb-campbell-gets-lesson-on-nfl-business/"]NFL.com Blogs » Blog Archive Redskins QB Campbell given lesson on NFL business «[/URL][/quote]

You may be right, but we don't know who for sure was the one who wanted Cutler.. It may be just our Danny boy, while everybody wants to keep Campbell.. It may be other way, but the only thing we won't know is who tried to pull the trigger.. From what Campbell have said, it appears as if Zorn was on his side..

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I am glad this is over. I think we should have this same Campbell vs Cutler thread a year from now and see what's up. I am so looking forward to seeing JC play this year. I think with the various problems the Redskins have had in the past we have yet to see how good JC can be. No one else could do much here since DS became owner and it's not all on the QB. We shall see.