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[quote=Monksdown;549334]Lie to Campbell this year, tell him he's your guy. Draft a right tackle if one you like is available. And then draft whomever your hot for next year using the 1st rd pick we will not have given away to get Sanchez.

Unless he's a top 5 quarterback within 2 years, Sanchez is not worth more than one first round pick. Please don't waste two+ on him.

Guess what Dan, there's a draft next year too. And if you've learned anything at all about yourself, you should have figured out that you'll be excited about someone else then too. Patience.[/quote]

Next year will be [B]Tebow[/B]

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;549344]Next year will be [B]Tebow[/B][/quote]

No no no no no and a thousand times more. I'm confident that we will be running a west coast style next year weather it be through Zorn, Gruden, or Shannahan. Tebow with his slow release is not going to get our front office 'hot for quarterback'.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;549344]Next year will be [B]Tebow[/B][/quote]

I was talking about a quarterback. You know, someone that can throw the ball..

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[quote=Monksdown;549334]Lie to Campbell this year, tell him he's your guy. Draft a right tackle if one you like is available. [B]And then draft whomever your hot for next year using the 1st rd pick we will not have given away to get Sanchez.[/B]

Unless he's a top 5 quarterback within 2 years, Sanchez is not worth more than one first round pick. Please don't waste two+ on him.

Guess what Dan, there's a draft next year too. And if you've learned anything at all about yourself, you should have figured out that you'll be excited about someone else then too. Patience.[/quote]

haha, amen. Next year is going to be loaded with quarterback tallent. 4 QB's that are as good as the top 2 this year, if not better than them. And for the love of god, if Dan trades our 1st round pick next year for Sanchez, i'm going to jump off a cliff.

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The ideal situation: Campbell gets dealt for a second round pick and Sanchez gets taken in the top 3. The Redskins have to move forward with neither of them.

That would be entertaining to watch. Some combination of Colt and Collins next year. We'd have a terrible, terrible offense. Everyone wins but Jim Zorn.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;549344]Next year will be [B]Tebow[/B][/quote]

Oh sweet Jesus.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;549344]Next year will be [B]Tebow[/B][/quote]
Jesus man don't say that. I don't think even Danny is that dumb ha

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[quote=Superman13732;549314]I pray to god you are right.[/quote]

trading 2 1st rounders for a rookie qb isnt going to be the end of the world, its not like were going to trade cooley to KC for that 2nd they just picked up or anything real crazy like that . .. j/k (sarcasm alil bit - with davis, no 2nd rounder to move up for sanchez and dannys reluctance to trade next years 1st to move up i am alil afraid for cooley)

go skins!!

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[quote=GTripp0012;549351]The ideal situation: Campbell gets dealt for a second round pick and Sanchez gets taken in the top 3. The Redskins have to move forward with neither of them.

That would be entertaining to watch. Some combination of Colt and Collins next year. We'd have a terrible, terrible offense. Everyone wins but Jim Zorn.[/quote]
I can't see us trading Campbell before the trade up and knowing that we got Sanchez. I can't see us getting a 2nd rounder either if we do get Sanchez.

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[quote=over the mountain;549363]trading 2 1st rounders for a rookie qb isnt going to be the end of the world, its not like were going to trade cooley to KC for that 2nd they just picked up or anything real crazy like that . .. j/k (sarcasm alil bit - with davis, no 2nd rounder to move up for sanchez and dannys reluctance to trade next years 1st to move up i am alil afraid for cooley)

go skins!![/quote]
think danny would cut off all of the cooley jersey sales?

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I always seem to be in the players court when it comes to their issues. Especially when they are respectable. At this point I have walked across the court from JC. When he was quiet, saying what ever happens happens my respect for him grew ten fold. Now that he has opened his mouth about being traded reminds me of Cutler.

It really didn't matter if we got Sanchez or not with JC there I would bet he would be starting. Sanchez would have the whole yr to learn the offense and be ready for next year leaving JC to be the QB. Now the cry baby routine starts. Bye. and while your at it take Sellers with you. Maybe if you played better we would not be looking for another QB. Maybe if you played better all the time the team would revisit your contract or would have had a big contract from the start.

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What's all this news saying the Broncos want Sanchez but wouldn't trade their 12 and 18, it's not worth it or something? To move up to 3 that's not that bad of a deal, you lose one first round pick in essence and move way up with the other. Anybody else will be giving up their first and at least one next year too it seems.

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[quote=tryfuhl;549376]What's all this news saying the Broncos want Sanchez but wouldn't trade their 12 and 18, it's not worth it or something? [B]To move up to 3 that's not that bad of a deal[/B], you lose one first round pick in essence and move way up with the other. Anybody else will be giving up their first and at least one next year too it seems.[/quote]

For a quarterback who started ONE year in college. It's a gamble, two first round picks to move up in the draft is retarded. Especially to move up for a QB, have you seen the success rates of high drafted QB's?

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[quote=tryfuhl;549369]think danny would cut off all of the cooley jersey sales?[/quote]

Free Cooley replica with every Sanchez purchase!

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[quote=Superman13732;549381]For a quarterback who started ONE year in college. It's a gamble, two first round picks to move up in the draft is retarded. Especially to move up for a QB, have you seen the success rates of high drafted QB's?[/quote]

It's a bit better than the low rounds. I agree it's a gamble, so is every other draft pick.

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[quote=SC Skins Fan;549382]Free Cooley replica with every Sanchez purchase![/quote]
ahahahahhaha

where do the campbell jerseys go?

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...he won't have to..........

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[quote=tryfuhl;549393]ahahahahhaha

where do the campbell jerseys go?[/quote]

To get D. WILLIAMS nameplate replacements.

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There's really only one way this thing is going to end, now. The Skins HAVE to move up and get Sanchez and unload Jason. They've gone too damn far with this...it's probably been mismanaged worse that the Broncos trying to trade Cutler, it just so happens that Campbell is not a pussy. He's tried to do and say all the right things about being a Redskin and they've basically lied to him all offseason. I understand it's a business, but damn, show him a little bit of respect.

Dan could have spent the offseason doing some root cause analysis on what went wrong down the stretch, or you could something reactionary like try to acquire another quarterback. Most good front offices would have done the former...shocker that Dan Snyder and Vinny Cerratto decided to do the latter.

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[quote=Monksdown;549343]It's almost bittersweet, the mixture of being excited to see what happens tomorrow, and the almost certainty that i wont like it.[/quote]

I feel the exact same way...and I'm going to the draft party. If this all goes down...I'm booing Dan Snyder, Jim Zorn, and Vinny Cerratto.

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[quote=jdlea;549432]There's really only one way this thing is going to end, now. The Skins HAVE to move up and get Sanchez and unload Jason. They've gone too damn far with this...it's probably been mismanaged worse that the Broncos trying to trade Cutler, it just so happens that Campbell is not a pussy. He's tried to do and say all the right things about being a Redskin and they've basically lied to him all offseason. I understand it's a business, but damn, show him a little bit of respect.

Dan could have spent the offseason doing some root cause analysis on what went wrong down the stretch, or you could something reactionary like try to acquire another quarterback. Most good front offices would have done the former...shocker that Dan Snyder and Vinny Cerratto decided to do the latter.[/quote]

Couldn't agree more, there will be no damage control part II. Danny and Vinny really ****ed this up, I would love to see Campbell demand a trade right after Sanchez is picked by someone else and the Skins have to either trade him or risk him sitting out the season.

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[quote=Buster;549431]To get D. WILLIAMS nameplate replacements.[/quote]

Good call! Free nameplate replacement with purchase of a Danny Boy bobblehead?

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[quote=jdlea;549432]

Dan could have spent the offseason doing some root cause analysis on what went wrong down the stretch, or you could something reactionary like try to acquire another quarterback. Most good front offices would have done the former...shocker that Dan Snyder and Vinny Cerratto decided to do the latter.[/quote]

But but, it's the fault of a player or two!

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;549437]Couldn't agree more, there will be no damage control part II. Danny and Vinny really ****ed this up, I would love to see Campbell demand a trade right after Sanchez is picked by someone else and the Skins have to either trade him or risk him sitting out the season.[/quote]
You sadist

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Anyone think that the Saunders offense limited Campbell's progression? You think maybe that made him go through progressions and reads worse, since he had to be so focused on where to put the ball?

He needs to be in a dropback like mentioned, put him in Pittsburgh and he'd be another Roethlisberger, good enough to get it done.. funny how it was just last season it was being said he'll be getting a Roethlisberger-type deal prob

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[quote=tryfuhl;549505]Anyone think that the Saunders offense limited Campbell's progression? You think maybe that made him go through progressions and reads worse, since he had to be so focused on where to put the ball?[/quote]

I think that it was less the Saunders offense and more the revolving door of offensive coordinators. When football becomes think instead of react, especially for a QB, you're pretty much dead. I remember last year, during a broadcast, the announcer was saying that Jason has to think about where his checkdowns are going to be...that's not good. Most great players stay in one system for a long time and learn it inside and out.

Steve Young, who's in the Hall of Fame (Wedding Crashers quote), said that it takes 3-4 years to learn the WCO and people want to dump JC after one? If they do this, the front office had better make damn sure they find a "franchise QB" who's going to be here for a while in order to learn an offense and become comfortable. Otherwise, we'll be talking about dumping Sanchez in 4 years and the next big thing at Q.

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[quote=jdlea;549519]I think that it was less the Saunders offense and more the revolving door of offensive coordinators. When football becomes think instead of react, especially for a QB, you're pretty much dead. I remember last year, during a broadcast, the announcer was saying that Jason has to think about where his checkdowns are going to be...that's not good. Most great players stay in one system for a long time and learn it inside and out.

Steve Young, who's in the Hall of Fame (Wedding Crashers quote), said that it takes 3-4 years to learn the WCO and people want to dump JC after one? If they do this, the front office had better make damn sure they find a "franchise QB" who's going to be here for a while in order to learn an offense and become comfortable. Otherwise, we'll be talking about dumping Sanchez in 4 years and the next big thing at Q.[/quote]

Well by the time he's comfortable and efficient in it he might be 30 or 31. I don't think he's exactly gotten a fair shake by any means, but I think that he's not as well liked as others for other reasons as well. Kinda like when Giants told Eli he needs to be the physical and vocal leader; guys rally around Campbell in interviews but man that emotionless stare he has is probably wearing itself on the FO. But yeah, we're definitely impatient.

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[quote=tryfuhl;549526]Well by the time he's comfortable and efficient in it he might be 30 or 31. I don't think he's exactly gotten a fair shake by any means, but I think that he's not as well liked as others for other reasons as well. Kinda like when Giants told Eli he needs to be the physical and vocal leader; guys rally around Campbell in interviews but man that emotionless stare he has is probably wearing itself on the FO. But yeah, we're definitely impatient.[/quote]

Whatever the case, I want to see a "Quarterback of the Future" actually get a future with the Washington Redskins at some point.

Hell, if a guy isn't Peyton Manning here in his first 2 years, he's not going to survive. I don't know what to do about that, though.

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[quote=jdlea;549519]I think that it was less the Saunders offense and more the revolving door of offensive coordinators. When football becomes think instead of react, especially for a QB, you're pretty much dead. I remember last year, during a broadcast, the announcer was saying that Jason has to think about where his checkdowns are going to be...that's not good. Most great players stay in one system for a long time and learn it inside and out.

Steve Young, who's in the Hall of Fame (Wedding Crashers quote), said that it takes 3-4 years to learn the WCO and people want to dump JC after one? If they do this, the front office had better make damn sure they find a "franchise QB" who's going to be here for a while in order to learn an offense and become comfortable. Otherwise, we'll be talking about dumping Sanchez in 4 years and the next big thing at Q.[/quote]

No...Sanchez will be overlooked for another prospect in a year or two if he doesn't have a great season. I honestly think it's gotten to the point lots of fans, especially those of us who take the time to become at least a little more informed/knowledgeable as Warpathers, are now more patient than our owner/FO. Think about it. The most knowledgeable contributors (I'm not one but i pay close attention to their posts) are encouraged by JC's progress in the WCO, and they're realistic enough to acknowledge the sad state of things surrounding Jason. Well again our ownership/FO somehow misses all this...i mean what is most appalling to me is the absence of a clear and concise statement by anyone at Redskins Park acknowledging the utter collapse of the o-line in the 2nd half of last season, especially in terms of protecting Jason.

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You've gotta hate your life if you work for the Redskins organization, unless your name is Vinny Cerrato.. or you're a player, well some of them

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[quote=The Goat;549534]No...Sanchez will be overlooked for another prospect in a year or two if he doesn't have a great season. I honestly think it's gotten to the point lots of fans, especially those of us who take the time to become at least a little more informed/knowledgeable as Warpathers, are now more patient than our owner/FO. Think about it. The most knowledgeable contributors (I'm not one but i pay close attention to their posts) are encouraged by JC's progress in the WCO, and they're realistic enough to acknowledge the sad state of things surrounding Jason. Well again our ownership/FO somehow misses all this...i mean what is most appalling to me is the absence of a clear and concise statement by anyone at Redskins Park acknowledging the utter collapse of the o-line in the 2nd half of last season, especially in terms of protecting Jason.[/quote]

The problem is that the most knowledgeable portion of the fan base is rarely heard and often shouted down by people who see a dropoff in production and assume he'll never get better. The majority of our fanbase is not like Gtripp. Most of the people I know want Campbell gone or Colt to start.

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It's a huge grasp to say that Sanchez is even going to be available.

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Well if JC said he will seek a trade if we bring in another QB??? Dont let the door hit you in the as s on the way out big fella.....

[url=http://washingtontimes.com/weblogs/redskins/2009/apr/24/no-sanchez-trade/]No Sanchez trade? - Redskins 360 - Washington Times[/url]

-- Coach Jim Zorn talked about evaluating quarterbacks on accuracy, what former Maryland coach Bobby Ross called "evadeability." tenacity and leadership. Zorn also said the Redskins will definitely add a quarterback this weekend, whether through the draft or as a undrafted free agent.

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How would people feel if we make a steal and draft Jason Campbell for a first rounder? Scenario: Jets miss out on Sanchez, panic when they look at their QB roster, and make a trade. I know this is completely in la-la land, but what if?

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[quote=Dr Do Itch Big;549778]Well if JC said he will seek a trade if we bring in another QB??? Dont let the door hit you in the as s on the way out big fella.....

[url=http://washingtontimes.com/weblogs/redskins/2009/apr/24/no-sanchez-trade/]No Sanchez trade? - Redskins 360 - Washington Times[/url]

-- Coach Jim Zorn talked about evaluating quarterbacks on accuracy, what former Maryland coach Bobby Ross called "evadeability." tenacity and leadership. Zorn also said the Redskins will definitely add a quarterback this weekend, whether through the draft or as a undrafted free agent.[/quote]

He also said we would have 4 qbs in training camp, that sounds like camp bodies, not 4 prospective qbs. And if they do what people say, and get sanchez/trade JC, that still only leaves 3.

I think VC is absolutely comfortable lying to get what he needs, Zorn seems to need to always have some nugget of truth, and that makes his statements now when he has to be deceptive almost comical.

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I haven't had the time to read the whole discussion, but it doesn't make sense. Either way we go, we will be putting an un-proven QB under center this year. Colt hasn't taken any snaps during game time, and Sanchez won't be up to speed on the playbook in time. If they don't want Jason, we should groom Colt instead of going after MS. Colt should get a shot, just to see if his college stats were the product of a weak schedule, or a talented QB.
I dont like Sanchez, don't want him. I like Jason, and don't think we should do anything until after this year.

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[quote=Ruhskins;549837]How would people feel if we make a steal and draft Jason Campbell for a first rounder? Scenario: Jets miss out on Sanchez, panic when they look at their QB roster, and make a trade. I know this is completely in la-la land, but what if?[/quote]

Ruh i think you implicitly mean we get Sanchez too right?

Anyway...no i'm not down w/ it at all. Just after our season ended I started a thread of my own predictions. I said back in December, just after our season ended, JC would have a monster season in '09. It was a tough thing to say cuz he struggled so much in the 2nd half of the season, but i watched every game and saw everything around Jason crumbling...starting w/ a truly pathetic o-line and ending w/ WR who just couldn't get open most of the time. But looking forward I said if the franchise does things right, improving the line and getting better performance out of our WR corp, that JC would look like the stud he was early in the season. I still believe that. What bothers me so much about the Sanchez craze isn't Sanchez, but that Danny the FO somehow still don't see the big picture IMO...you have to build a solid system around a QB to make things happen. We've not done that in forever and evidently have no plan of doing it now. Instead just look to another prospect who would have to be a miracle maker to score the kind of points the NFL's best offensive systems score.

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[quote=hagams;549860][B]I haven't had the time to read the whole discussion, but it doesn't make sense.[/B] Either way we go, we will be putting an un-proven QB under center this year. Colt hasn't taken any snaps during game time, and Sanchez won't be up to speed on the playbook in time. If they don't want Jason, we should groom Colt instead of going after MS. Colt should get a shot, just to see if his college stats were the product of a weak schedule, or a talented QB.
I dont like Sanchez, don't want him. I like Jason, and don't think we should do anything until after this year.[/quote]

You are right. It doesn't make sense. I just don't see Zorn assenting to going into the season with Collins, Brennan, or Sanchez under center.

This is one of many reasons why I think the whole trade-up-for-Sanchez thing is a smoke screen, nothing more. I really don't think that the Skins are as smitten with Sanchez as many people think we are.

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The more I hear the more I doubt it is a smoke screen. We had a Qb that had been in the league for a few yrs and played lights out for 8 games. Then got out shined by Rookies (Balt, Atlanta) with new coach's in new offenses. I think Zorn sees something he does not like in JC or simply thinks we could do better.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;549859]He also said we would have 4 qbs in training camp, that sounds like camp bodies, not 4 prospective qbs. And if they do what people say, and get sanchez/trade JC, that still only leaves 3.

I think VC is absolutely comfortable lying to get what he needs, Zorn seems to need to always have some nugget of truth, and that makes his statements now when he has to be deceptive almost comical.[/quote]

Once again I agree with you from beginning to end. You are right, Zorny is hilarious when it comes to the cloak-and-dagger draft stuff because he doesn't want to lie and he doesn't want to tell the truth. I'll bet he's a rotten poker player because he feels uncomfortable bluffing.