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Vinny is a much better drafter than anyone gives him credit for. The more I look at this draft the mre I like it. I love the reciever that we took.

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I was just happy not to trade for Sanchez AND keep all of our picks for a stronger class next year. Love the Orakpo pick, Barnes was a nice pick too. However, the 2nd day picks could have been better. I would have like to have seen us get Duke, Meredith, or Follett,
but I like the last pick Mitchell a lot.
Grades:
1. Orakpo-A
3. Barnes-B
5. Glen-F
6. Henson-C
7. Williams_C
7. Mitchell-B

OVERALL GRADE: B-
based mostly on Orakpo, Barnes and keeping next year's picks.

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[quote=Lotus;551792]I liked him, too, but 32 NFL GM's with better information than mine did not.[/quote]
Cadigan signed with Carolina.

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the first and 3rd is fine with me, on the 5th we should have pick marcus freeman instead of the 2 LB's, the TE and WR should be used as a RB and OL

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[quote=T.O.Killa;552236]I was pissed off when we drafted the two linebackers. I was like what the hell Cody was not even expected to be drafted and apparently he just started playing LB. Henson is not a household name either. But now that I have had enough time to calm down, I realized that this draft might be allot like our 2006 NFL draft. We took Montgomery and he was of the radar screen also. In-fact he was a Olineman converted to Dline from what I remember and after him in the 6th they took Golston. Awesome draft. Maybe this one will be like that.[/quote]

In the end we won't really have an idea of just how good or bad this draft was until 2-3 years down the road. While I understand some of the initial negative reactions, at the same time it's pretty useless to get all fired up until we actually see what these guys do on the field.

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I give it a B, just for the fact that we stayed put and took Orapko. Barnes, is a good physical corner, who could possibly come in and fill Springs' spot. Everyone else is just good depth for special teams. Maybe, Marko Mitchell's signing will be a spark for the Devin, and Malcom, to get off there ass and start contributing.

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I gave it a C. IMO, the Skins basically drafted 1 player.

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4 F's so far. Matty, I thought JLC could only have 1 screen name ;)

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;552360]4 F's so far. Matty, I thought JLC could only have 1 screen name ;)[/quote]

Ridiculous.

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[quote=Mattyk72]In the end we won't really have an idea of just how good or bad this draft was until 2-3 years down the road. While I understand some of the initial negative reactions, at the same time it's pretty useless to get all fired up until we actually see what these guys do on the field.[/quote]
A good point. If Orakpo becomes a perennial pro-bowler, Campbell plays extremely well and resigns with us after the season, and guys like Sanchez (had we traded up and given up our 2010 1st rounder) or the 2nd tier OTs and DEs (whom we could have gotten two of if we had traded down) turn out to be busts, then we obviously made the correct decision.

As much as i am disappointed we didnt use our full 10 minutes on the clock and make a better effort to trade down to fill multiple needs, Orakpo was without question the best player on the board at 13. There is very little chance he will be a bust and given our lack of picks and lack of production from the 2009 draft class, its probably best we went with one sure thing.

We wouldnt be having this discussion if we hadnt traded for Jason Taylor. With our 2nd round pick, we could have landed Clint Sintim, Max Unger, Phil Loadholt or even LeSean McCoy. I hope Snyders learned his lesson about trading high draft picks for aging veterans who dont fit your coaches schemes.

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The one pick that really puzzles me was the kid from Nebraska. I mean the guy only played LB for one year. Maybe they're just trying to bring in people to play teams but this guy has no shot at playing LB for us. You mean to tell me there wasn't one offensive lineman there who could be developed??

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[quote=skinsfan69;552372]The one pick that really puzzles me was the kid from Nebraska. I mean the guy only played LB for one year. Maybe they're just trying to bring in people to play teams but this guy has no shot at playing LB for us. You mean to tell me there wasn't one offensive lineman there who could be developed??[/quote]

Listening to the FO, I think OL get a natural knock because they if they can't start, and they can't play ST(not many OL can) then somehow that equates to a lower overall score. and thus we don't see as many drafted in later rounds where ST's can be more easily found. Can't prove it, just a thought.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;552377]Listening to the FO, I think OL get a natural knock because they if they can't start, and they can't play ST(not many OL can) then somehow that equates to a lower overall score. and thus we don't see as many drafted in later rounds where ST's can be more easily found. Can't prove it, just a thought.[/quote]

No, i think you could very well be right. If you draft a linebacker or safety in the later rounds, they may not be able to play defense as a rookie, but usually they can play teams at least. With OL, if youre not going to take one in the first two or three rounds, you might as well wait and pick up some in free agency as the talent will not be that much different.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;552363]A good point. If Orakpo becomes a perennial pro-bowler, Campbell plays extremely well and resigns with us after the season, and guys like Sanchez (had we traded up and given up our 2010 1st rounder) or the 2nd tier OTs and DEs (whom we could have gotten two of if we had traded down) turn out to be busts, then we obviously made the correct decision.

[B]As much as i am disappointed we didnt use our full 10 minutes on the clock and make a better effort to trade down to fill multiple needs[/B], Orakpo was without question the best player on the board at 13. There is very little chance he will be a bust and given our lack of picks and lack of production from the 2009 draft class, its probably best we went with one sure thing.

We wouldnt be having this discussion if we hadnt traded for Jason Taylor. With our 2nd round pick, we could have landed Clint Sintim, Max Unger, Phil Loadholt or even LeSean McCoy. I hope Snyders learned his lesson about trading high draft picks for aging veterans who dont fit your coaches schemes.[/quote]

I think I heard somewhere that they tried to trade down with two or three teams. Also, by the time our pick came about, there wasn't much to trade up for (except Orakpo), Sanchez was gone, so was Maclin, Crabtree, and even Hey-Bey. So I doubt any team would have wanted to move up.

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I'm sticking with the grade like everybody in the media C+

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[quote=Ruhskins]I think I heard somewhere that they tried to trade down with two or three teams. Also, by the time our pick came about, there wasn't much to trade up for (except Orakpo), Sanchez was gone, so was Maclin, Crabtree, and even Hey-Bey. So I doubt any team would have wanted to move up. [/quote]

We tried to trade UP with two or three teams to land Orakpo, and according to Cerrato, we had atleast two offers from other teams wanting to trade up to our pick, but we didnt consider them very long and instead drafted Orakpo at 13.

Without knowing what the offers were or how those offers would have increased if we had used our full ten minutes, we have no idea what we may have "missed out" on.

In the end, Orakpo was our pick and atleast one reporter/analyst (Skip Bayless) thinks Orakpo was the best player in the entire draft. I wouldnt go that far, but he was by far the best available player at 13. He's a huge upgrade over Daniels and Wynn and i'm excited to see him play.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;552439]In the end, Orakpo was our pick and atleast one reporter/analyst (Skip Bayless) thinks Orakpo was the best player in the entire draft. I wouldnt go that far, but he was by far the best available player at 13. He's a huge upgrade over Daniels and Wynn and i'm excited to see him play.[/quote]Calling Bayless an analyst is very kind of you.

I think that any improvement he would be to Daniels/Wynn is largely irrelevant since he won't be playing their position. Neither of those guys were ever going to play on third downs, when it is expected that Orakpo would get most of his playing time in 09. I think we worked him out at LB to see if he had any value added in addition to rush end. If we had thought of him as a LE type, there would have been no reason to try him out as an LB at workouts.

It seems to take a year or so to learn how to rush the passer from the left side anyway (since the fundamentals are reversed), so I would expect Daniels to be able to pressure the QB more often from that position than Orakpo, at least in 2009.

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[quote=irish;552356]I gave it a C. IMO, the Skins basically drafted 1 player.[/quote]

Yeah, agreed..maybe 1 1/2.

You got to look at our draft in comparison to other teams drafts if you want to give a realistic grade. You have to be non biased.

Just looking at the NFC east for comparisons sake. I'd rank them.

1. Philly: Maclin, McCoy, Harris, and then getting Ellis Hobbs from NE too

2. NYG: Nicks, Sintim (who is going to be a solid pro), Beatty (slipped out of the 1st)

3. Was: Orakpo, Barnes

4. Dal: 12 picked, maybe they'll hit w/ one but no sure things

So, i don't know how you'd rate us higher than a C. When we seem to be the 3rd rated draft class in the division. We should get an incomplete. At least we got one starter.

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[quote=skinsfan69;552372]The one pick that really puzzles me was the kid from Nebraska. I mean the guy only played LB for one year. Maybe they're just trying to bring in people to play teams but this guy has no shot at playing LB for us. You mean to tell me there wasn't one offensive lineman there who could be developed??[/quote]

My understanding regarding Glenn is that, as a former halfback, he has fine athletic skills and would make a fast linebacker. Also he seems to have enjoyed hitting people like a linebacker should. He also has not had the time at LB to develop bad habits and thus would be a blank slate which Blache could turn into the kind of player he wants.

I'm not defending the Glenn pick as much as I am saying that the FO MAY have had some valid reasons for picking him.

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Day 1 = B+ (take away points for trading 2nd round picks, but Orakpo was the best available and he fills a need.)

Day 2 = C- (failed to address the offensive line in the 5th round when some 2nd - 3rd round prospects where still available. Marko Mitchell in the 7th could be a steal)

Overall = C

Did well first day, but tanked on the 2nd day. FO seemed to lose focus, drafted injured players that did even show up on most draft websites, and that is never a good look. A few more cerebral picks and we'd have gotten an A easily.

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I have to give it an "E" because honestly, who the **** has ever seen a grade of E before?

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;552683]I have to give it an "E" because honestly, who the **** has ever seen a grade of E before?[/quote]

that's funny.

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This below "Borrowed" from Akh over in HailRedskins.com.

Akh’s Thoughts: Draft Review
Posted by: Akhhorus on Monday, April 27th, 2009
Pick #13: Brian Orakpo DE Texas
Pros:
-Good speed
-Great backside pursuit skills
-Good physical tools
-Shows a recognition of building the Dline from the team(I hope).
-Could be great in the right system
Cons:
-Undersized
-Questions about his motivation
-Questionable weight gain
-Terrible fit for Blache’s system
-Usual question marks about Texas defenders/Dlinemen.
-Technique questions

Overall Comment: He has undeniable potential, but there’s just far too many question marks about him to get excited about the pick. If Blache is replaced and a more aggressive system comes in(3-4 c3?), Orakpo could find a role as a dedicated rush Lb.
Grade: With the status Quo, D+. In the right system C+.
Next ten picks(and who I’d rather have had in bold):
14-New Orleans Malcolm Jenkins CB/FS
15-Houston Brian Cushing OLB
16-San Diego Larry English DE
17-Tampa Bay (from New York Jets through Cleveland) Josh Freeman QB
18-Denver (from Chicago) Robert Ayers DE
19-Philadelphia (from Tampa Bay through Cleveland) Jeremy Maclin WR
20-Detroit (from Dallas) Brandon Pettigrew TE
21-Cleveland (from Philadelphia) Alex Mack OC
22-Minnesota Percy Harvin WR
23-Baltimore Michael Oher OT
Who he’ll remind you of:
Best Case: Alex Brown with more drive
Worst Case: Marcus Washington with less ability/Tim Crowder

Pick #80 Kevin Barnes CB UMD
Pros:
-Big with good speed.
-Big hitter
-Good leaping ability
-Fluid hips
Cons:
-Struggles with run support
-Struggles in man2man, especially against big WRs.
-Can be fooled with misdirection
-terrible in bump and run
-Gives too big cushions
Overall Comment: He needs work, but there’s talent there. He needs to show that he’s a ballhawk to earn playing time. That’s his strength. My complaint with this pick is that we passed on a lot of Oline talent for him.
Grade: C
Next ten picks(and who I’d rather have had in bold):
81-Tampa Bay Roy Miller DT
82-Detroit (from Dallas) Derrick Williams WR
83-New England (from New York Jets through Green Bay) Brandon Tate WR
84-Pittsburgh (from Chicago through Denver) Mike Wallace WR
85-NY Giants (from Philadelphia) Ramses Barden WR
86-Minnesota Asher Allen CB
87-Miami Patrick Turner WR
88-Baltimore Lardarius Webb CB
89-Tennessee (from New England) Jared Cook TE
90-Atlanta Chris Owens CB
Who he’ll remind you of:
Best Case: Ken Lucas with more speed
Worst Case: Low rent Ron Bartell

Pick #158 Cody Glenn LB Nebraska
Pros:
-Built stoutly
-Good tackling ability
-Hard worker
Cons:
-Extremely raw: has only played 9 games at LB
-Character concerns
-Fooled easily with misdirection combined with bad change of direction ability
-Durability concerns
-Not that fast or quick
Overall Comment: a waste of a pick frankly. We could use a young Lb, but the list of other prospects at that position was long. And we passed on a ton of OLine talent for him. He’d better be a diamond in the rough, or he’s the next Manny White. I have a feeling that he’ll just be a special teamer. Also undefendable was passing on guys like Jasper Brinkley in a trade down for him.
Grade: F
Next ten picks(and who I’d rather have had in bold):
159-Philadelphia (from New England) Fenuki Tupou OT
160-St. Louis (from Atlanta) Brooks Foster WR
161-Miami Johnathan Nalbone TE
162-Green Bay (from Baltimore through New England) Jamon Meredith OT
163-Carolina Duke Robinson OG
164-New Orleans (from New York Giants through Philadelphia) Thomas Morstead P
165-Miami (from Indianapolis) Chris Clemons S
166-Dallas (From Tennessee) Michael Hamlin S
167-Arizona Herman Johnson OG
168-Pittsburgh Joe Burnett CB
Who he’ll remind you of:
Best Case: HB Blades with less polish and more athleticism
Worst Case: Robert McCune with less muscle

Pick #186 Robert Henson LB TCU
Pros:
-Good size
-Quick
-Sure tackler
Cons:
-Low talent overall
-Bites on misdirection badly
-Terrible in pass coverage
-Small
Overall Comment:
Grade: F
Next ten picks(and who I’d rather have had in bold):
187-Green Bay (from New Orleans) Brandon Underwood CB
188-Houston Brice McCain CB
189-San Diego Kevin Ellison S/LB
190-Chicago Al Afalava S
191-Cleveland (from Tampa Bay)Coye Francies CB
192-Detroit (from Dallas) Aaron Brown RB
193-NY Jets Matthew Slauson OG
194-Philadelphia Brandon Gibson WR
195-Cleveland (from Minnesota through Philadelphia) James Davis RB
196-St. Louis (from Atlanta) Keith Null QB
Who he’ll remind you of:
Best Case: A low rent DeMorrio Williams
Worst Case: Jared Newberry

Pick #221 Eddie Williams Fb/HBack Idaho
Pros:
-Good outside blocker
-Good hands
-Good pass catching instincts
Cons:
-Injury issues
-Raw
-Struggles blocking front 7 defenders
-Doesn’t have great speed/quickness
Overall Comment: Might be a long term practice squadder/camp fodder who never makes it to the field in a real game, but he’ll get a look or two.
Grade: D
Next ten picks(and who I’d rather have had in bold):
222-Indianapolis (from New Orleans from Philadelphia) Patrick McAfee PK
223-Houston Troy Nolan S
224-San Diego Demetrius Byrd WR
225-Denver Blake Schlueter OC
226-Pittsburgh (from Tampa Bay) A.Q. Shipley OC
227-Dallas Mike Mickens CB
228-Detroit (from New York Jets) Lydon Murtha OT
229-Dallas (from Chicago through Tampa Bay) Manuel Johnson WR
230-Philadelphia Moise Fokou OLB
231-Minnesota Jamarca Sanford S
Who he’ll remind you of:
Best Case: Garrett Mills
Worst Case: A Fb who can’t block.

Pick #243 Marko Mitchell WR Nevada
Pros:
-Good hands
-Good size
-Good instincts
-Good blocker
-Route running ability
Cons:
-Slow and not very quick
-Isn’t that tough.
-Played in a small school/gimmick offense
Overall Comment: Boom/bust, but worth a flyer. If they can work on his footwork, this could be a steal of a pick. Still extremely risky though.
Grade: B
Next ten picks(and who I’d rather have had in bold):
244-San Francisco (compensatory selection) Ricky Jean-Francois DT
245-Seattle (compensatory selection) Courtney Greene S
246-Chicago (compensatory selection) Lance Louis OG
247-Seattle (compensatory selection) Nick Reed DE
248-Seattle (compensatory selection) Cameron Morrah TE
249-Cincinnati (compensatory selection) Clinton McDonald DT
250-Jacksonville (compensatory selection)-Rashad Jennings RB
251-Chicago (compensatory selection)Derek Kinder WR
252-Cincinnati (compensatory selection) Freddie Brown WR
253-Jacksonville (compensatory selection) Tiquan Underwood WR
Who he’ll remind you of:
Best Case: Marques Colston
Worst Case: JR Russell

Overall comment/grade: A waste of a draft. If Orakpo doesn’t pan out, then we really screwed this one up. If he does, then this is probably a clone of the 2007 Landry draft(which wasn’t that good in retrospect). The 2nd day was so bad that the UDFA signees seem to be better acquisitions than any of those picks. Also, with the Broncos offering Jarvis Moss around for a 7th, I would have used that Eddie Williams pick for Moss to hedge our bets with Orakpo.
Grade: D.

UDFAs(comment and percentage of making the roster)
Robbie Agnone, TE, Delaware: Good size, but not a good blocker. PS at best. 1% chance
Scott Burley, OL, Maryland: Good size, but slow. Probably an OG in the NFL. PS for 09, might have a shot when the OL is purged of older players. 10% chance
Chase Daniel, QB, Missouri: Small, not the greatest arm strength, but smart, a leader and can frustrate defenses by creating plays. Could unseat Brennan for the 3rd Qb spot, probably bound for the PS. 40% chance.
Antonio Dixon, DT, Miami (FL): Big with good speed, raw and needs work. Needs to show something to even make the PS. 1% chance
Doug Dutch, CB, Michigan: Raw with little experience playing CB. Doubtful for the PS with Barnes/Tyron. 1% chance.
Devin Frischknecht, TE Washington State: Hback prospect. Not really a good pass catcher. Doubtful for the PS. 1% chance.
Brigham Harwell, DT, UCLA: Benefits from the Walker connection. 1 gap penetrator, but very small. PS bound, probably, if he shows something he’ll replace Golston in a year. 15% chance.
John Halman, WR, Concordia: Extremely raw, but interesting tools. He’ll have to leapfrog Mitchell even for the PS. 1% chance.
Lendy Holmes, S, Oklahoma: Extremely aggressive player, undersized though. PS bound probably. 1% chance
Robbie Palmer, LB, Arizona: Tackling machine, interesting size/speed, but struggles with mental aspects of the game. Doubtful for the PS. 1% chance.
Derek Walker, DE, Illinois: A Darnett Dockett clone who has some upside. I think he’ll be fighting for a roster spot with Rob Jackson. 60% chance.
Edwin Williams, C, Maryland: He’ll struggle with quicker DTs, but a tough Vet of an OC. With Rabach on his way out, I think he’ll make the roster. 70% chance
Jaison Williams, WR, Oregon: How the mighty have fallen. All the tools, but poor hands and underachieves badly. PS bound, 15% chance.

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;552683]I have to give it an "E" because honestly, who the **** has ever seen a grade of E before?[/quote]

It used to stand for Excellent!

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Didn't think this was worthy of its own thread, so here are the rookies' jersey numbers:


[IMG]http://ai.redskins.com/WebData/Product/40453/Images/Large_7009A-98-Orakpo-Jersey-BU-Bk.jpg[/IMG]
Kevin Barnes - 25
Cody Glenn - 57
Robert Henson - 58
Marko Mitchell - 84
Eddie Williams - 36

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[quote=Soup's Uncle;551420]I'm thinking we're going to make a trade for a bomb right tackle...I can feel it.[/quote]

Spending all summer practicing with Haynesworth/Griffin/Daniels/Carter and Orakpo, I don't have any doubts that our RT will be prepared for the season. Game day will be easy for our line.

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Sorry I can't turn in my paper just yet. The exam (or evaluation) will be turned in after the final game of the season.

I also think that the FO will be looking for some cap casualty cast-offs to reload areas of need like LB and O-line. It's their MO for some strange reason, and it has not worked very well.

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[quote=Mattyk72;551417]Or at the very least let's wait until training camp before we roast them.[/quote]

Everyone is so freakin trigger happy about this draft. We should be asking these questions after camps and/or preseason.

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Kevin Barnes in the 3rd seems like a reach. Perhaps a better LB could've been had then but, I guess the team had Barnes rated higher than any LB at that spot...

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[quote=diehard;555298]Kevin Barnes in the 3rd seems like a reach. Perhaps a better LB could've been had then but, I guess the team had Barnes rated higher than any LB at that spot...[/quote]

I don't agree. His injury was the only reason he wasn't picked up earlier.

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I went C liked the OP reasons as well

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I admit i thought we would get the LB Ellerbe near the end. or a Center like the one from Penn St.

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I give the Skins a B. I love the Orakpo pick (he was my top rated player in the draft) but I drop them to a B because I think it was kinda laughable how the Skins didnt pick up a offensive lineman in the draft.

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I don't think I disclosed this until now, but I gave Vinny's draft a rock solid "A". I could have docked him for the ridiculous Taylor trade, but I opted not to. Given the loss of that pick, they filled all their needs to the best of their ability, even opting to fill corner at value rather than offensive line below value.

I also think this draft will pay immediate, as well as long-term dividends.

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[quote=GTripp0012;559141]even opting to fill corner at value rather than offensive line below value.

I also think this draft will pay immediate, as well as long-term dividends.[/quote]

Did you go to Maryland? I hope Barnes works out well but that pick made little sense to me since better players were available at other positions of need.

I think Mike Mickens who was had in rd 7 (by the damn Cowboys) will be a better player than Barnes. :laughing2

I hope you are right but some of those offensive lineman who slipped were actually solid players. Hell even if they werent we need youth on the offensive line.

Players like Cody Glenn in round 5 still have me perplexed a month later.

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Orakpo will get a lot of PT this year

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In the 3rd i liked Phillips,McKinzie or Iglesias. We needed a LB and a WR would have helped in case Kelly didnt make a 100% recovery.
Later on there were good olinemen on the board when we picked