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[quote=SmootSmack;570480]I'd rather we trade for Tarvaris Jackson than sign Vick. I just don't see how he fits on this team. I only sign him if we can trade him (which we probably can't). And PFT comparing his indiscretions to Haynesworth's is ridiculous. People keep confusing the difference between Haynesworth's actions and Leonard Little's (though I agree he should have been banned for a significant amount of time) with Vick's as humans vs. animals. But that's not what it's about, what Vick did was premeditated. He didn't act out of sudden impulse like Haynesworth when he stomped Gurode.[/quote]

Maybe the worst part of any "premeditated" actions Vick did was bank rolling an organized crime ring for a couple of years. I'm not saying that if he actually killed dogs that's less, but it's pretty hard to make excuses for involvement in such a venture for that long a period.

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[quote=SBXVII;570537]Oh man my computer screwed up again. Had this nice long written message and for what ever reason....computer froze. Failed to send. LoL. UUUHHHGGG.

Anyway this was a summary....ExtremeSkins has a blog about someone having seen MV in the Ashburn area.
[URL="http://www.extremeskins.com/showthread.php?t=292429"]PFT: Skins/Vick AND Tanner Cooley's twitter and FB: Mike Vick was in Ashburn today. - EXTREMESKINS.com[/URL]

My only issue is MV is a native of southern Virginia not northern Virginia. He would have passed a ton of decent eating places in Norfolk (where he grew up) and Richmond, as well as simply eating in Fairfax off of 95. Why would he go out of his way? To simply make other teams think he was visiting the Skins so he can generate some interest? or did he meat with a team official?

Just trying to stir the pot. ;)[/quote]Aren't him and D. Hall buddies? Maybe his agent was in the area, he has the same agent as Campbell.

When Zorn says no Wildcat, Cerrato says "No", and the reliable talking heads, John Clayton etc. have the Skins as "No way". I'm not worried about it. Vick doesn't fit what Zorn's trying to do at all. Quick reads, quick release, accuracy, none of these are qualities Vick has ever had. I'd put any of our back-ups (even Brennan, LOL) in long before Vick.

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If not for the inevitable pr issue that would ensue (at least for a while), Vick would be great in dc. He could return punts & play wr w/a very limited role. Just to get him the ball on a screen pass would command some attention. He could play ARE's gadget plays much better & can throw an incredible bomb.

As a standard qb though, I agree w/those that say he's not needed here. Whoever (Al Davis) signs him will likely look at a variety of ways to get him the ball, direct snap or otherwise.

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Vick needs to go to the Raiders...but he'll probably end up with the Redskins. I hope not, but my wishes aren't of any concern to Snyder.

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Personally, I'd like to see him go to the vikings now that the whole brett favre thing is dead... I think he's a better version of tarvaris jackson

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I just think there is too much to deal with if he signs with us. I honestly don't think he's changed that much, but he serverved his timed and should be fully reinstated. That said, if we did sign him it would tell me 3 things.

1) The FO doesn't think JC is a franchise QB.
2) Zorn has no influence in any personell discisions
3) They would be taking a huge PR risk, and it worries me that he's only 2-3 hours from his old neighborhood and could get influenced by the wrong people in DC.

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My thoughts on the matter:

1. I have not seen any evidence yet from Vick to make me think he's truly remorseful. Yes, he convinced the Commish to reinstate him, but if you believe that the interest and revenue Vick would bring to the NFL didn't factor heavily into the decision, then you're out of your mind.

2. That said, if Vick is truly a "changed man," it makes a lot of football sense to have him on the team:[INDENT]
A. Wildcat QB.
B. Familiar with the WCO.
C. Better #2 WCO QB than Todd Collins or Colt Brennan.
D. If Campbell sucks it up in 2009, we've got his replacement ready for 2010.
E. If Campbell is amazing in 2009, Vick's presence gives us significant negotiating leverage and flexibility in 2010 (i.e. we pay Jason less or can franchise and trade him to another team for a high value and already have a replacement on the roster.
F. We can sign him and then trade him to another WCO team if their QB goes down in the pre-season. (Teams timid about signing him now would be singing a different tune after observing his good behavior here)[/INDENT]

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We don't use the wildcat.

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Being a career 50% passer is a bad sign for any QB nowadays....Too bad he fits that description and the WCO is supposed to HELP raise completion percentage.

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A Little Vick-Redskins Update

I just spoke to a league source who told me Michael Vick recently was saying he thought he would either join the Redskins or 49ers. But two other league sources told me there's nothing there with the Redskins, at least at the second I'm writing this. But the latter two sources also reminded me that anything can happen when Dan Snyder is determined to pursue a player. After all, as some of you have correctly pointed out, the Redskins last July said there was nothing in the works with Jason Taylor and then traded for Jason Taylor a bit later in the day.

I can't imagine that Jim Zorn would want any part of the circus-like atmosphere that would accompany Vick landing in Ashburn. I mean, these guys are getting ready to open training camp Thursday, the team struggled in the second half of Zorn's first season as a head coach and he probably needs to reach the playoffs to return for a third season. And after Snyder's attempts to replace Jason Campbell in the offseason, bringing in Vick would really help build the starting quarterback's confidence, wouldn't it?

Agent Joel Segal represents Campbell and Vick, and Segal knows Campbell as well as anyone. I just dont see this making sense.

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/a-little-vick-skins-update.html]Redskins Insider - A Little Vick-Redskins Update[/url]

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[quote=Giantone;570467]I would love it.................:)[/quote]

He would probably be the best wideout on the Giants if they signed him. Yes, I know he hasn't played the position. Sad isn't it.

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I heard a clip on the Sports Reporters last night that the new UFL in interested in Vick if he cant land a spot in the NFL. It seems like that wouldnt be a bad place for him to get back into shape.

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[quote=irish;570823]I heard a clip on the Sports Reporters last night that the new UFL in interested in Vick if he cant land a spot in the NFL. It seems like that wouldnt be a bad place for him to get back into shape.[/quote]

I believe the Orlando franchise drafted him, or claimed the rights to him. Something like that.

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Sounds like a great place to add to his punishment. Wow how genius!!!

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[quote=SmootSmack;570828]I believe the Orlando franchise drafted him, or claimed the rights to him. Something like that.[/quote]

I saw that the UFL season plays its championship game on thanksgiving weekend so I was wondering if Vick's team didnt make it that far would he be allowed to sign with an NFL team in time for their stretch run. Of course that depends on a lot of things but if he's looking good in live game action it could entice someone into giving him a try.

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[quote=irish;570842]I saw that the UFL season plays its championship game on thanksgiving weekend so I was wondering if Vick's team didnt make it that far would he be allowed to sign with an NFL team in time for their stretch run. Of course that depends on a lot of things but if he's looking good in live game action it could entice someone into giving him a try.[/quote]

good point, I don't see why he couldn't sign in the nfl after being in the ufl prior. It would be an audition for him, plus the nfl would then avoid having to deal w/the immediate publicity.

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The UFL is only a 6 game season, so yeah he could essentially audition for a NFL team and probably sign mid-season.

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[quote=Mattyk72;570854]The UFL is only a 6 game season, so yeah he could essentially audition for a NFL team and probably sign mid-season.[/quote]

Yes, they start in Oct and end at Thanksgiving. Games are on Thurs & Fri nights. Starting in Oct would also give him extra time to get in shape.

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[quote=Mattyk72;570718]We don't use the wildcat.[/quote]

I know what Zorns said, but 1) I dont necessarily beleive it would be advantageous for him to advertise it if we planned to use it and 2) we would use the wildcat if we had Vick.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;570870]I know what Zorns said, but 1) I dont necessarily beleive it would be advantageous for him to advertise it if we planned to use it and 2) we would use the wildcat if we had Vick.[/quote]

Man, you love to speculate.

I'd rather go with what we know, Zorn has been pretty adamant in saying he has no plans in putting in the wildcat. If he hasn't studied it properly do you really think he's going to install it on the fly just for Vick, when he really doesn't seem to believe in it and has shown zero interest in it to date?

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[quote=Mattyk72;570874]Man, you love to speculate.

I'd rather go with what we know, Zorn has been pretty adamant in saying he has no plans in putting in the wildcat. If he hasn't studied it properly do you really think he's going to install it on the fly just for Vick, when he really doesn't seem to believe in it and has shown zero interest in it to date?[/quote]

I thought when Zorn was asked this question about the Wild Cat it was like mid season of last yr and he stated he was not interested. Some coach's tried it after they saw the success Miami had other who had not had time to study it chose not to use it. I wonder if Zorn was not going to step out of his little box and throw something new at a team who was trying to learn a new offense from the start. Now that he's had 6 months to review and see if it can work for the Skins would he use it?

Maybe I missed a more recent statement by him but as we all know this is a copy cat league. Rumor has it Belacheat has studied it over the off season cause he was impressed with what Miami did to him and wants to be able to not only stop it but use it against Miami.

Our running game was our strongest suit so if it still is this yr I would like to see more play action and maybe some flee flickers.

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Wildcat = gimmick/fad offensive set
Vick = one-dimensional gimmick/fad QB

Both will not help the Skins at all. I'm hoping and praying Zorn and Cerrato stand by their words concering the Wildcat/Vick.

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Just watched the Zorn presser on Redskin.com. Come on Camp/ Football 2009!

Message from Zorn to Vick good luck with your future....but you won't be a REDSKIN,for now!

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[quote=SBXVII;570876]I thought when Zorn was asked this question about the Wild Cat it was like mid season of last yr and he stated he was not interested. Some coach's tried it after they saw the success Miami had other who had not had time to study it chose not to use it. I wonder if Zorn was not going to step out of his little box and throw something new at a team who was trying to learn a new offense from the start. Now that he's had 6 months to review and see if it can work for the Skins would he use it?

Maybe I missed a more recent statement by him but as we all know this is a copy cat league. Rumor has it Belacheat has studied it over the off season cause he was impressed with what Miami did to him and wants to be able to not only stop it but use it against Miami.

Our running game was our strongest suit so if it still is this yr I would like to see more play action and maybe some flee flickers.[/quote]

This is what he said in May

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/jason-la-canfora/zorn-still-not-wild-for-the-wi.html]Redskins Insider - Zorn Still Not Wild About the Wildcat[/url]

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;570877]Wildcat = gimmick/fad offensive set
Vick = one-dimensional gimmick/fad QB

Both will not help the Skins at all. I'm hoping and praying Zorn and Cerrato stand by their words concering the Wildcat/Vick.[/quote]

Right on.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;570714]My thoughts on the matter:

1. I have not seen any evidence yet from Vick to make me think he's truly remorseful. Yes, he convinced the Commish to reinstate him, but if you believe that the interest and revenue Vick would bring to the NFL didn't factor heavily into the decision, then you're out of your mind.

2. That said, if Vick is truly a "changed man," it makes a lot of football sense to have him on the team:[INDENT]
A. Wildcat QB.
B. Familiar with the WCO.
C. Better #2 WCO QB than Todd Collins or Colt Brennan.
D. If Campbell sucks it up in 2009, we've got his replacement ready for 2010.
E. If Campbell is amazing in 2009, Vick's presence gives us significant negotiating leverage and flexibility in 2010 (i.e. we pay Jason less or can franchise and trade him to another team for a high value and already have a replacement on the roster.
F. We can sign him and then trade him to another WCO team if their QB goes down in the pre-season. (Teams timid about signing him now would be singing a different tune after observing his good behavior here)[/INDENT][/quote]
A. Doesn't apply to us or most NFL teams. The Ravens figured out how to shut it down last year so it's only a matter of time before all defenses figure it out. There's a reason why no NFL teams use an option system, it doesn't work against faster NFL defenders.

B. Not familiar with this system. I remember Atlanta being mainly a ground team with him, not a passing team...mainly because Vick made bad decisions and while had a strong arm, he was not an accurate passer. He's a great athlete, not a great or even a good QB. I said this BEFORE he did what he did with the dogs.

C. Collins...maybe you're right...Brennan could be a very solid backup or even replacement if he gains experience.

D. See Brennan notes in C.

E. Again, Vick was a mediocre QB and doesn't fit into our system.

F. Why would we do this? Wasted roster spot in speculation that another team loses their QBs and are one of the teams that would even consider him. Half of the league already declined in wanting him on their team.

So Vick is a huge NO. We do not need him. I do not want him.

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If somehow he DOES get on the Skins (won't happen), I'll be fuming if he suits up with #7.

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[quote=SmootSmack;570828]I believe the Orlando franchise drafted him, or claimed the rights to him. Something like that.[/quote]

Do you know anything about this league as far as when are they going to play? Are they playing on weekends? Or during the week? Seems like playing on Sat. Sun. or Mon. is a bad idea. But Fri. night would be OK.

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Thursday would be the best day for them. A lot of MLB teams have off that day. Of course, their season has to conclude before the NFL Thursday games start. Maybe Tuesdays or Wednesdays would be better. :D

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[quote=skinsfan69;570896]Do you know anything about this league as far as when are they going to play? Are they playing on weekends? Or during the week? Seems like playing on Sat. Sun. or Mon. is a bad idea. But Fri. night would be OK.[/quote]

Thurs. and Fri.

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[quote=Buster;570895]If somehow he DOES get on the Skins (won't happen), [B]I'll be fuming if he suits up with #7[/B].[/quote]

Agreed.

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The site said Thursday's and Friday's

[url=http://www.ufl-football.com/about]About Us - United Football League (UFL) - Where the Future Stars Come to Play![/url]

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So it seems that Baltimore is the only team that has even considered Vick. Maybe they'll turn him into a WR. From ESPN Rumors:

[quote]FREE AGENCY: One team admits Vick interest
Michael Vick | Falcons | Interested: Patriots? Ravens? Raiders? Saints?
While yesterday's update on Michael Vick focused on some potential landing spots that were developed in the minds of reporters, former players and coaches, there is finally one team representative who has publicly commented to the affirmative that his team has had discussions about signing No. 7.

In a story published by the [URL="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/football/nfl/07/28/vick.day.1.ap/index.html?eref=si_nfl"]Associated Press, Baltimore Ravens coach John Harbaugh[/URL] said, "We've had long discussions about Michael Vick and we have a feeling about how he would impact our team and not impact our team." Although Ozzie Newsome had previously commented that the Ravens had enough quarterbacks, this is not as strongly negative a statement as Vinny Cerrato made to the Washington Post yesterday.

Within the AP article, we also learn that the Bengals, who have a former Pro Bowler at QB, and the Broncos, who do not, will also not be pursuing Vick at this time. Meanwhile, [URL="http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/patriots/2009-07-28-vick-patriots_N.htm"]USA Today's Jim Corbett[/URL] opines that the Patriots might be in the mix, while the [URL="http://www.jacksonville.com/interact/blog/michael_c_wright/2009-07-28/jags_not_interested_in_vick"]Florida Times-Union reports[/URL] that Jaguars head coach Jack Del Rio says his team won't be. [/quote]

I still think that unless Baltimore does something crazy, Darth Hoody is going to pick up Vick just to f with Goodell.

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[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/30728-redskins-say-no-to-vick.html#post571077[/url]

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[quote=Buster;571078][URL]http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/30728-redskins-say-no-to-vick.html#post571077[/URL][/quote]

Thats nice old news and a thread........:doh:

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Go be green somewhere else.

Video from Zorn saying Vick will not play for the Redskins. - [URL="http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/22825103/vp/32218352#32218352"]nbcsports.com Video Player[/URL]


^Posted on top of the page as "Top Video" on rotoworld.com this morning...also, NBC Sports has the story dated 07/29/09:

[URL="http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/32209215/site/21683474/"]Zorn: Redskins don't want Vick 'at this juncture' - Wire Services - NFL - nbcsports.msnbc.com[/URL]

Also, on Redskins.com dated yesterday:
[url=http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/News___Notes__Zorn_Addresses_Vick_44680.jsp]News & Notes: Zorn Discusses Vick[/url]

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For 10 months work, Vick's lawyers are billing him for 8000 hours. Now, simple math - 10 months @ 30 days/month and 24 hours/day = 7200 hours.

Even with multiple lawyers working on the case, this is insane to me. Billing 8000 hours over a 7200 hour period takes some creative billing AND reminds me of a joke:

An attorney suddenly drops dead of a heart attack. He gets to heaven and complains to St. Peter - "I was in the peak of health. I exercised daily, watched my diet and saw my doctor regularly. Jeez - I was only 45!!" To which St. Peter responds: "45?!? According to your billable hours, you were 82."

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I wonder how many sports pundits are going to be tripping over themselves to praise Darth Hoody if he indeed signs Vick.

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp09/news/story?id=4366917]New England Patriots coach Bill Belichick praises Michael Vick's athleticism - ESPN[/url]

I guess right now Boston sports fans are too busy paying attention to the whole Ortiz on steroids news. This would be a good time for the Dark Hooded One to sign Vick.

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I don't know how good this source is but I'm just going to put this out there

[url=http://community.kdvr.com/_Despite-Zorns-Comments-Some-Redskins-Coaches-Like-Vick/BLOG/486765/96399.html;jsessionid=300271E2345816CD1B8E26E1DF35EFD0?as=96399]Despite Zorn's Comments, Some Redskins Coaches Like Vick - FOX 31 U-Report Blog post[/url]

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I heard JC make the comment that the first thing he see's when coming on the field today was......DC wants Vick. As he laughed, you have to wonder what is running through his mind.

I have to believe Dan, Vinny, & Zorn comments on this one, Vick WILL NOT be in DC, the end. Where he lands who knows?