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[quote=53Fan;571824]I agree and I was a little disappointed to hear he's still holding it too long, but it's still early so I'm not ready to scream for Colt just yet. :)[/quote]

Im ready to see these guys in preseason, If JC is still off come that time then HE needs to be the one with more reps instead of Colt. I like Colt and im glad he is going to get alot of time but it doesnt make sence if the starter is having issues. But i do wonder why our 3rd string QB is going to get that much time in the preseason. i dont see any other teams playing their 3rd guy that much. just sayin. :)

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;571832]Im ready to see these guys in preseason, If JC is still off come that time then HE needs to be the one with more reps instead of Colt. I like Colt and im glad he is going to get alot of time but it doesnt make sence if the starter is having issues. But i do wonder why our 3rd string QB is going to get that much time in the preseason. i dont see any other teams playing their 3rd guy that much. just sayin. :)[/quote]

I think, just like most of us, the coaches and FO would like to see CB take the second spot. Collins is purely insurance and not in our future plans. His age and contract are not in his favor. Colt cost less and has youth on his side. I personally would love to see him in a real game. I hope [B]IF[/B], JC doesn't work out, Colt will get his chance instead of being bypassed for another QB. Maybe he shines, maybe he bursts his fans bubble, but there's only 1 sure way to find out. But again, I'm not ready to give up on JC just yet.

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[quote=53Fan;571833]I think, just like most of us, the coaches and FO would like to see CB take the second spot. Collins is purely insurance and not in our future plans. His age and contract are not in his favor. Colt cost less and has youth on his side. I personally would love to see him in a real game. I hope [B]IF[/B], JC doesn't work out, Colt will get his chance instead of being bypassed for another QB.[/quote]

I agree with that. Id rather see Cb get a shot then see us go out and break the bank or give a draft for a QB coming out next yr.

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;571822]I know the highs and lows can be a factor with the new guys like Thomas and Kelly etc who JC hasnt gotten familiar with but Moss and ARE should be on target. I am worried about him holding the ball too long. He really needs to work on getting the ball out on time. That has been the label on him for a while now and for him to succeed he has to get better in that area IMO.[/quote]I don't know about "for a long time". In 2007, he posted a 4.8% sack percentage (anything below 5 is great).

Last year: 7.0%. That needs to recover a little bit because that's a high number. Of course, considering we changed the system on him, the hesitancy would seem to be explained by that.

Sure, the offensive line might get worse in the short term, but if you give him 10 or 11 games, we'll see by Thanksgiving whether Jason is at fault for holding the ball too long or if he's simply doing what he can.

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Time will tell.

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Funny that I haven't heard a pip about JC not doing well in camp today. It's the third day peeps, chill the f' out and let the guy play.

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[quote=Ruhskins;571843]Funny that I haven't heard a pip about JC not doing well in camp today. It's the third day peeps, chill the f' out and let the guy play.[/quote]

Agreed. I think JC having one bad practice isn't necessarily a bad thing. QB's have off days. He'll be fine. Apparently he looked crisp and decisive on Thursday and Friday, so it's not like he can't do it. If it continues, I'll be concerned. I doubt it will.

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Today(Or yesterday, since it is no longer Aug 1) was a [B]very[/B] bad day for the O-line. That probably explains why all the QBs didn't have great days.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;571847]Today(Or yesterday, since it is no longer Aug 1) was a [B]very[/B] bad day for the O-line. That probably explains why all the QBs didn't have great days.[/quote]

This was definitely part of it. Samuel's was having the devil's own day with Orakpo and Haynesworth was giving two men all they could handle every time. Andre Carter was also coming free a couple of times.

In terms of Campbell's performance, I'm totally chill. I think he's the best QB we have. I just don't think he had a paricularly good day, even when you take the O-line into account. Remember that the pass rushers run past and play continues, so even when the O-line got blown it was still basically a 7 on 7 drill.

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[quote=GMScud;571846]Agreed. I think JC having one bad practice isn't necessarily a bad thing. QB's have off days. He'll be fine.[B] Apparently he looked crisp and decisive on [B][U]Thursday and Friday,[/U][/B][/B] so it's not like he can't do it. If it continues, I'll be concerned. I doubt it will.[/quote]

not that i'm concerned but thur. and fri. was in shorts. the first time jason had live action coming at him, he did not perform well.

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[quote=70Chip;571848]This was definitely part of it. [B]Samuel's was having the devil's own day with Orakpo and Haynesworth was giving two men all they could handle every time. Andre Carter was also coming free a couple of times.[/B]

In terms of Campbell's performance, I'm totally chill. I think he's the best QB we have. I just don't think he had a paricularly good day, even when you take the O-line into account. Remember that the pass rushers run past and play continues, so even when the O-line got blown it was still basically a 7 on 7 drill.[/quote]

I consider that to be outstanding news, especially the Orakpo part! I know the OL struggled. But the D is always ahead of the O on the first day in pads and we know folks like Samuels will get it together. To me, the salient point of your helpful description is that the D was so dominant - not just good, as expected - but dominant.

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Our first 3 pre-season games are against some of the toughest defenses in the league. These should be a good gauge for our offense but I'm nervous about the injury risk factor. I'am I being a nervous nelly?

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[quote=wolfeskins;571849]not that i'm concerned but thur. and fri. was in shorts. the first time jason had live action coming at him, he did not perform well.[/quote]

He had a tough 2 min drill today. One ran out of time and the other he threw a int. And in the QB drills he was knocked down by a barrage of pads. Its still early, we will see how it goes come preseason. Hopefully our defense is JUST THAT GOOD.

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I went to the TC yesterday and today. I have been extremely optimistic in the off-season, to say the least. These two days kinda brought me back to reality. I am still upbeat and excited, but now, not quite as much. I don't know what the coaches were trying to accomplish, but during the 2 minute drills today, I never saw any long shots, even as the clock ticked down. They had the lineup we/I want to see, Moss/DT/ARE. in the 2minute you have to take atleast one shot, whether its there or not. But the receivers never even came close to the endzone. That for me was discouraging.
I will say Orakpo looks good to me, the whole DLine just looks imposing. Not talking about the play just the physicality of it. I think the O-Line can only improve by going against them day in day out.
OK, now I am ready for pre-season.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;571927]I went to the TC yesterday and today. I have been extremely optimistic in the off-season, to say the least. These two days kinda brought me back to reality. I am still upbeat and excited, but now, not quite as much. I don't know what the coaches were trying to accomplish, but during the 2 minute drills today, I never saw any long shots, even as the clock ticked down. They had the lineup we/I want to see, Moss/DT/ARE. [B]in the 2minute you have to take atleast one shot[/B], whether its there or not. But the receivers never even came close to the endzone. That for me was discouraging.
I will say Orakpo looks good to me, the whole DLine just looks imposing. Not talking about the play just the physicality of it. I think the O-Line can only improve by going against them day in day out.
OK, now I am ready for pre-season.[/quote]
Most 2 minute drills, in game action, don't consist of any deep shots because the defense is specifically protecting against them. Why practice something that likely won't present itself in the regular season?

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I saw on ComCast that Golston and Sellers had a mild skirmish today. Good to see the guys getting fired up. Everything I've read about the defense sounds really good. This front four is going to bring some pain this year! Tryon is also playing well. Needless to say....Haynesworth is a beast!

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yeah the 2 min drills seemed to consist of short routes for small gains. was that by design or was it JC checking down?

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[quote=Paintrain;571929]Most 2 minute drills, in game action, don't consist of any deep shots because the defense is specifically protecting against them. Why practice something that likely won't present itself in the regular season?[/quote]

Maybe, But if you get the ball to the 35, like they did both times with 15seconds left, you sometimes take a shot into the endzone. I know they are just beginning the TC, but what I saw was several 2minute drills stall at the 35ish, and reminded of last years troubles.

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Anybody watch the Peter Kings video diary of redskins training camp: [url=http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/video/peter_king/2009/07/31/0907.king_redskins.SportsIllustrated/index.html?eref=sihp]Peter King Training Camp Tour Video: Washington Redskins[/url]

Not really informative but I just thought it was cool because he was wearing my hometown Williamsport Crosscutters hat.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;571933]Maybe, But if you get the ball to the 35, like they did both times with 15seconds left, you sometimes take a shot into the endzone. I know they are just beginning the TC, but what I saw was several 2minute drills stall at the 35ish, and reminded of last years troubles.[/quote]

I thought the goal of the drills were to get the team into field goal range?

[quote]Hurry-Up Offense

Staying with the 11-on-11 action, Jim Zorn put 1:30 on the game clock and asked the first- and second-team offenses to [B]move the offense into field goal range from the 30-yard line.[/B][/quote]

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[quote=Ruhskins;571938]I thought the goal of the drills were to get the team into field goal range?[/quote]

I didn't know that, thanks.

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Just because its a 2 min drill doesnt mean it has to be for a FG. Either way we didnt score so its really irrelevant at this point.

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;571940]Just because its a 2 min drill doesnt mean it has to be for a FG. Either way we didnt score so its really irrelevant at this point.[/quote]

Well, not really, if the coaching goal is to move down the field, and they aren't trying to take the deep shot purposely, than I feel a little better. I still would like to see them try, but at least it was not because the players were just messing up.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;571933]Maybe, But if you get the ball to the 35, like they did both times with 15seconds left, you sometimes take a shot into the endzone. I know they are just beginning the TC, but what I saw was several 2minute drills stall at the 35ish, and reminded of last years troubles.[/quote]

If you are on the fringe of FG range and throw a pick by 'going for the endzone' that's a recipe for getting a coach fired.

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[quote=Paintrain;571946]If you are on the fringe of FG range and throw a pick by 'going for the endzone' that's a recipe for getting a coach fired.[/quote]
Wait until we see the first 15 plays against the ravens... No video, no comment.

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[quote=Paintrain;571946]If you are on the fringe of FG range and throw a pick by 'going for the endzone' that's a recipe for getting a coach fired.[/quote]

I think it's two separate discussions.

If the coach said the goal of the drive, and the design of the plays is as was stated, then yes I feel a little better about today's TC.

If you are arguing that you should not ever practice a 2minute drill that has to get into the endzone, I disagree. Suppose the score is 32-25 and you have two minutes left then you will need to take those shots. (I happen to be watching the replay of Philly Arizona with 209 left, and Philly needs seven)

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2 minute drill ??? You guys think anybody will score on us ??? :)

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[quote=budw38;571950]2 minute drill ??? You guys think anybody will score on us ??? :)[/quote]

Im not worried about the defense this year.

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At the same time you at least have to have someone stretch the defense out-clear outs etc-. If all of the routes are short and underneath the defense is in a better position to make a play on the ball with all of the defenders in the same proximity.IMO

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[quote=WaldSkins;571951]Im not worried about the defense this year.[/quote]

I am worried that the defense may seriously hurt some opponents. :)

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[quote=Lotus;571958]I am worried that the defense may seriously hurt some opponents. :)[/quote]

It will be fun to watch though. Romo,McNabb and Eli running for their lives.

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[quote=Lotus;571958]I am worried that the defense may seriously hurt some opponents. :)[/quote]

I'm only worried if it's during training camp.:food-smil

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;571960]It will be fun to watch though. Romo,McNabb and Eli running for their lives.[/quote]

They will definitely be seeing something from the Redskins that they haven't seen in awhile. Most teams are used to seeing good pass coverage from the Skins but not much of a rush. Wait until they get a load of our D this year. :headbange

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[quote=Lotus;571958]I am worried that the defense may seriously hurt some opponents. :)[/quote]

Hopefully against the Giants.

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[quote=53Fan;571966]They will definitely be seeing something from the Redskins that they haven't seen in awhile. Most teams are used to seeing good pass coverage from the Skins but not much of a rush. Wait until they get a load of our D this year. :headbange[/quote]

"Kill em all, let the paramedics sort em out" -Alvin Mack-

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;571970]"Kill em all, let the paramedics sort em out" -Alvin Mack-[/quote]

Nice one... funny thing is- Lattimer lives in my apartment complex!

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[quote=skinsnut;571631]First the Pineapple nickname taking the Lords name in vain, now the middle finger....boy, this site has suddenly gone down the crapper...its a shame, I was depending on it for high quality discussion about the Skins with highly knowledgable fans.[/quote]

Because that takes away from the knowledge because you're personally offended?

Man you PC guys are ruining everything.

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[quote=53Fan;571833]I think, just like most of us, the coaches and FO would like to see CB take the second spot. Collins is purely insurance and not in our future plans. His age and contract are not in his favor. Colt cost less and has youth on his side. I personally would love to see him in a real game. I hope [B]IF[/B], JC doesn't work out, Colt will get his chance instead of being bypassed for another QB. Maybe he shines, maybe he bursts his fans bubble, but there's only 1 sure way to find out. But again, I'm not ready to give up on JC just yet.[/quote]

Please lets not even think JC will not work out as our starter. If he isn't our long term starting QB than we are moving backwards. We can not keep bring in new QB to learn the offense and be a SuperBowl contender. Colt B. is so green that if he had to start at QB we would be toast this year. It's a big risk to let Collins go and think Colt would be able to step in for JC if he could not play. JC has to be our guy, Gibbs gave up a #1 pick for him and he knows QB. He did when 3 Super Bowls with 3 different QB's.

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[quote=Ruhskins;571843]Funny that I haven't heard a pip about JC not doing well in camp today. It's the third day peeps, chill the f' out and let the guy play.[/quote]

Well said. We got Redskins fans ready to put Colt in the starting line up after 1 week of camp. I bet none of them ever played QB at any level , just arm chair QB's. Let the real coaches coach and sit back and just watch and learn.

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[quote=70Chip;571848]This was definitely part of it. Samuel's was having the devil's own day with Orakpo and Haynesworth was giving two men all they could handle every time. Andre Carter was also coming free a couple of times.

In terms of Campbell's performance, I'm totally chill. I think he's the best QB we have. I just don't think he had a paricularly good day, even when you take the O-line into account. Remember that the pass rushers run past and play continues, so even when the O-line got blown it was still basically a 7 on 7 drill.[/quote]

So this means the Orakpo was drilling from DE?