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[quote=dmvskinzfan08;583566]Umm first your foolish. because your really not taht intelligent. Posting stats is not intelligence and I did not say they were irrelevant. I said, "[B]STATS ARE IMPORTANT BUT NOT THE ONLY FACTOR[/B]" (sorry for the caps. I have to do this for the illiterate). Can you read that.

The comparison to Cribbs, Hester was to make a point. Just because you are [B]6th on the stats list doesn't mean you are the best player there[/B] ( I think Hester was 28th and Cribbs might have been 12th) is as far as talent an potential. If you think Rock is better than Cribbs or Hester your a crack head. That what the comparison was related to stats

Dude are you drinking. I didn't say his stats were terrible. [B]Please post where I said that[/B]. I just told you to post the stats. Liek I couldn't go to NFL.com and get the stats myself or if I didn't know. Just wanted you to show that you jsut like to argue and that the only way you can do that is with stats not intelligent debate. You are putting words in my mouth. I think you are so self righteous you dont even bother to read other comments.

As far as the dorky comments. If the only thing you can do is post stats and say Rock is a good tackler on special teams. Yeah you are a dork. Because if Thomas, Moss or Betts had his return attempts I dont think they would do worse than him. Moss and Thomas I would put money on would do better. So to fabricate things..really does make you an ass and look like as dork.

I am not dismissing punt and kick coverage skills. But our ST suck. Another thing Rock doesn't make all the tackles every play.

Further more if I had a pocket full of f---s. I wouldn't give you one..

*Concurrent to this absurd analysis of yours - OOO someone got a dictionary. lol. Your so smart!!!

Dude we are on a football board not a tech geek forum. I could use "big words" all day. But that doesn't prove your intelligence. Just makes you look like a dork.[/quote]Betts was our kick returner, and he didn't do as well as Rock. He wasn't a bad KR though, and could probably be adequately forced into duty again.

People who take your attitude towards things tend not to last very long on here. It's not like they usually get banned, they just tend to find that no one really likes to engage them and then they stop showing up on the boards. The thing you haven't gotten yet, but you will, is that not everyone in this thread has yet to prove themselves as a valuable member of this community of diverse opinions, but you do fall into that category.

In other words, coming from someone else, maybe the notion that we could do without Rock would be met with more respect. Is that fair? Probably not. But when you are met with people who disagree strongly with your idea, by responding the way you have, all you are doing is confirming what they originally thought about you. Maybe that's not right, but the more you write, the more we know about you. That's not always a good thing.

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[quote=GTripp0012;583576]Betts was our kick returner, and he didn't do as well as Rock. He wasn't a bad KR though, and could probably be adequately forced into duty again.

People who take your attitude towards things tend not to last very long on here. It's not like they usually get banned, they just tend to find that no one really likes to engage them and then they stop showing up on the boards. The thing you haven't gotten yet, but you will, is that not everyone in this thread has yet to prove themselves as a valuable member of this community of diverse opinions, but you do fall into that category.

In other words, coming from someone else, maybe the notion that we could do without Rock would be met with more respect. Is that fair? Probably not. But when you are met with people who disagree strongly with your idea, by responding the way you have, all you are doing is confirming what they originally thought about you. Maybe that's not right, but the more you write, the more we know about you. That's not always a good thing.[/quote]

Pretty well said.

DMV, the self-contradicting points you are making are further undermining your credibility here at the Warpath. I doubt anyone is taking you seriously at this point, I certainly am not.

I'd rather discuss something intelligently with someone capable of doing so. Peace out, I'm done with you.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;583563]Too much player versus player rather than roles we need filled in this discussion. I'd like to talk about things this team needs and if we can get some of those things out of the people who are currently on our roster or if we need to go outside of the organization and pick up or trade for some new players to fill those roles. The following list of roles is not necessarily in order of importance to the success of the team.

Offensive Tackle - Frankly, I just can't fathom how Vinny can believe that we're OK at that position. It's a near certainty that Chris Samuels is going to miss some time with his bad knee and right now it looks like they're counting on Mike Williams and Jeremy Bridges as the backups at OT. Bad move. I don't think Williams is ready to play yet and Bridges is really a G. We need to make a trade, if possible, or pick up a veteran OT for insurance.[/quote]

I think a veteran o-lineman can be picked up once things shake up after roster cuts. Although other than trading a current player, I would not really trade any draft picks for a back up lineman. I'm sure once teams trim down their rosters, we can pick up a lineman for depth.

[quote=KI Skins Fan;583563]Third String QB - [B]Really, who the hell cares?[/B] We're not going to be counting on either of these guys, so choose your favorite or we can pick up someone else.

I feel pretty good about the rest of the roles on the team.[/quote]

Agreed!! :food-smil

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[quote=SmootSmack;583564]I have this nagging fear that Fletch will be afflicted with Cris Dishman Syndrome (Dishman, you may not recall, was one of the league's premiere corners in 1997 and then just dropped in 1998)[/quote]Interesting. My only remote recollection of Dishman as a player is from his post-Washington years, in KC and Minnesota. So I PFR'ed him and found some similarities with him and Fletch.

Both posted near-career highs in AV (approximate value) in year n, but I think what seperates Dishman from Fletcher is that his performance in that one year (1997) appears to have been completely out of line with the rest of his career. When he did fall, it was just a little bit past (age-adjusted?) his former productivity. Probably felt like he just got worse overnight, but I imagine that part of that was his unexpected improvement in 1997.

On the other side, one of Fletcher's top comparables through 11 NFL seasons just happens to be Michael Barrow--the year he signed in Washington. Though its worth saying that Fletcher has been a better player throughout his career.

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[quote=FRPLG;583547]Ultimately what worries me isn't depth. Really no other teams in the entire league have significantly more depth than we do. My problem is that Blache just doesn't seem to embrace the concept of utilizing players based on their strengths. He has a scheme and he wants everyone to run it. No changing things up to fit personnel. You can see it during games and in general. How often do we get trampled on for an entire quarter or more before he finally makes an adjustment. It's like he has decided that the scheme comes above all else. And the adjustmenst usually work but he's so damn stubborn. It's clear that he thinks that players just need to do better executing his scheme rather than him trying to make it easier for them to execute. I like Blache but he does have some drawbacks.[/quote]

You read my mind. With the FO acquiring AH and Orakpo I think they have shown a desire to increase pressure on the QB which may force Blache to start showing some flexability. At least with the front four or seven. He did send MW on a lot of passing downs as I think he will Orakpo. I wonder though if Blache has intentionally left his corners in certain situations just to see how they handle it. This is something he has done in preseason since he was DC in Chicago. Hopefully once the season starts he will make adjustments before we get trampled for a full quarter. But he does seem stubborn and at times appears to make adjustments only after it has been repeatedly shown that what he's trying to do is not working.

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[quote=GTripp0012;583584]Interesting. My only remote recollection of Dishman as a player is from his post-Washington years, in KC and Minnesota. So I PFR'ed him and found some similarities with him and Fletch.

Both posted near-career highs in AV (approximate value) in year n, but I think what seperates Dishman from Fletcher is that his performance in that one year (1997) appears to have been completely out of line with the rest of his career. When he did fall, it was just a little bit past (age-adjusted?) his former productivity. Probably felt like he just got worse overnight, but I imagine that part of that was his unexpected improvement in 1997.

On the other side, one of Fletcher's top comparables through 11 NFL seasons just happens to be Michael Barrow--the year he signed in Washington. Though its worth saying that Fletcher has been a better player throughout his career.[/quote]

Some dude once said [B]"STATS ARE IMPORTANT, BUT NOT THE ONLY FACTOR!!!"[/B] :)

Seriously though, Dishman's stats are misleading because, as you're aware, sometimes the best corners have the least impressive stats. Do you think Larry Brown had two interceptions in the Super Bowl against the Steelers because he was some phenom CB...or because he was lined up on the other side of Deion Sanders?

Granted, CD was initially brought here to be a nickel back (and insurance in case Tom Carter left, which he did), but still the drop off was pretty ugly

Interesting side note, a couple of players who played opposite Dishman in Houston and had some good seasons playing opposite him-Steve Jackson and Jerry Gray. I think Gray played just one season in Houston, but Jackson played his whole career in Houston/Tennessee

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[quote=SmootSmack;583589]Some dude once said [B]"STATS ARE IMPORTANT, BUT NOT THE ONLY FACTOR!!!"[/B] :)

Seriously though, Dishman's stats are misleading because, as you're aware, sometimes the best corners have the least impressive stats. Do you think Larry Brown had two interceptions in the Super Bowl against the Steelers because he was some phenom CB...or because he was lined up on the other side of Deion Sanders?

Granted, CD was initially brought here to be a nickel back (and insurance in case Tom Carter left, which he did), but still the drop off was pretty ugly

Interesting side note, a couple of players who played opposite Dishman in Houston and had some good seasons playing opposite him-Steve Jackson and Jerry Gray. I think Gray played just one season in Houston, but Jackson played his whole career in Houston/Tennessee[/quote]I used AV because it (tries) to use unit performance as a base, and divide the credit according to the playing time in the unit. As it goes (and I've yet to verify this elsewhere) Washington probably had excellent pass defense in 1997, but dropped off in 1998 significantly, with Dishman being an obvious example.

There is, of course, a reason the A is for approximate. I'm completely bastardizing the purpose of the stat. :)

And Al Davis agrees with me that Larry Brown was actually a phenom cornerback, and not some scumbag graduate of Prime U! (Completely kidding. Except the Davis part.)

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Regardless of who our #2 and #3 RBs are, the thought occurred to me that neither Rock or Betts will likely still be on the team in 2 years. We're financially committed to Portis, but neither of them is particularly explosive, and other than one great stretch a couple of years ago for Betts, neither of them has done much of anything as an RB in the NFL. What i'm getting to is that within the next 2 years, we're probably going to use a high draft pick or two on a running back to spell Portis on a more consistent basis and add some "UMPH!" to our running attack. So in the long-term, it doesnt really matter who makes the roster behind Portis now; so we might as well pick the guy(s) we think have the best chance to make an impact now. If we really need special teams help, then Rock stays. If we don't there,s no reason to keep him around. Betts is useless on special teams, so what we have to ask is, are Mason, Alridge, or Dorsey better complimentary backs to Portis than Betts. If not, then there's no reason to cut Betts.

One other thing to consider is even if we added Mason, Aldridge, or Dorsey as an extra running back, they probably wouldnt be active on gameday, since the plan would always be to have Rock for Special-Teams-Only and Betts for Backing-Up-Portis-Only and Sellars is our Only FullBack. So the only reason to keep a 5th back on the 53-man roster is because we are worried about injuries and feel the potential 5th back is so amazing that he wouldnt last on our practice squad. From that perspective, I don't think Mason, Aldridge, or Dorsey deserves to be a 5th back, who will always be inactive on gameday. I could potentially accept it if one of them made it at the expense of Betts or Cartwright, but not as a 5th guy. If thats the plan, we'd be better served to place two of them on the practice squad and see who sticks.

At the end of the day, i'd be truly shocked if our RB situation doesnt look exactly like it did last year. The only option i can really see is trading Aldridge for Cartwright. The dude's got some serious speed and Cartwright doesnt really contribute as much to this team as some think he does. Remember, despite all the talk about how vital he is to our special teams, not a single team in the 31-team league wanted him when he was a FA last year. Not one. If that's not damning, then I don't know what is.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;583596]Regardless of who our #2 and #3 RBs are, the thought occurred to me that neither Rock or Betts will likely still be on the team in 2 years. We're financially committed to Portis, but neither of them is particularly explosive, and other than one great stretch a couple of years ago for Betts, neither of them has done much of anything as an RB in the NFL. What i'm getting to is that within the next 2 years, we're probably going to use a high draft pick or two on a running back to spell Portis on a more consistent basis and add some "UMPH!" to our running attack. So in the long-term, it doesnt really matter who makes the roster behind Portis now; so we might as well pick the guy(s) we think have the best chance to make an impact NOW.[/quote]We're not really [I]that[/I] committed to Portis past 2010 either. He's going to be expensive to get rid of whenever we choose to go in another direction, but I think a season with an Alexander-esque 3.2 YPC is probably a prereq to Portis leaving Washington. As long as he's productive, we'll keep employing him.

I agree that the only logical reason that the team wouldn't have spent a late round pick on a back this year is that they are at least planning on using a second rounder on one next year. We could have had Javon Ringer or James Davis in the 5th round instead of Cody Glenn, but the team thought Glenn offered more on special teams, and that they could do better than Ringer or Davis.

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[quote=GTripp0012;583599]We're not really [I]that[/I] committed to Portis past 2010 either. He's going to be expensive to get rid of whenever we choose to go in another direction, but I think a season with an Alexander-esque 3.2 YPC is probably a prereq to Portis leaving Washington. As long as he's productive, we'll keep employing him.

I agree that the only logical reason that the team wouldn't have spent a late round pick on a back this year is that they are at least planning on using a second rounder on one next year. We could have had Javon Ringer or James Davis in the 5th round instead of Cody Glenn, but the team thought Glenn offered more on special teams, and that they could do better than Ringer or Davis.[/quote]

Good point. Congratulations on post 8888.

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[quote=Schneed10;583578]Pretty well said.

DMV, the self-contradicting points you are making are further undermining your credibility here at the Warpath. I doubt anyone is taking you seriously at this point, I certainly am not.

I'd rather discuss something intelligently with someone capable of doing so. Peace out, I'm done with you.[/quote]

What was self contradicting? No I basically see it as you and your two cronies as being self assigned elder statesman of the board. You all gang up on people and try to make their opinion invalid. Its a opinion not fact. [B]If everyone had the same opinions. What would we have to talk about on this board???[/B] I also see you all are also doing this to other people on this board. Who cares if you take me seriously dude? I am beginning to really think you are a dork. Because this board is your home. I post my thoughts and opinions. Because I want to. Not for you only. This is the US. I can say what the f--k I want and for you to insult my intelligence because you can't comprehend or agree with what I am saying makes you an asshole. You probably voted for Bush both times didn't you. You probably think the WMD's are still out there. Dude I could care less what you think. Your gum under my shoe. Better yet crap under my shoe.

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[quote=GTripp0012;583599]We're not really [I]that[/I] committed to Portis past 2010 either. He's going to be expensive to get rid of whenever we choose to go in another direction, but I think a season with an Alexander-esque 3.2 YPC is probably a prereq to Portis leaving Washington. As long as he's productive, we'll keep employing him.

I agree that the only logical reason that the team wouldn't have spent a late round pick on a back this year is that they are at least planning on using a second rounder on one next year. We could have had Javon Ringer or James Davis in the 5th round instead of Cody Glenn, but the team thought Glenn offered more on special teams, and that they could do better than Ringer or Davis.[/quote]

Man I was pulling really hard for Javon Ringer pre-draft, and was really annoyed when we took Glenn. I'll be even more annoyed when Glenn gets cut. Given Jonathan Stewart's health right now, I wouldn't be surprised to see Ringer see some time in Carolina. He's a burner with nice strength and would have made sense with our 5th pick. If Marko pans out, I guess I can forgive Vinny.

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[quote=dmvskinzfan08;583602]What was self contradicting? No I basically see it as you and your two cronies as being self assigned elder statesman of the board. You all gang up on people and try to make their opinion invalid. Its a opinion not fact. [B]If everyone had the same opinions. What would we have to talk about on this board???[/B] I also see you all are also doing this to other people on this board. Who cares if you take me seriously dude? I am beginning to really think you are a dork. Because this board is your home. I post my thoughts and opinions. Because I want to. Not for you only. This is the US. I can say what the f--k I want and for you to insult my intelligence because you can't comprehend or agree with what I am saying makes you an asshole. You probably voted for Bush both times didn't you. You probably think the WMD's are still out there. Dude I could care less what you think. Your gum under my shoe. Better yet crap under my shoe.[/quote]

I would like to introduce you to my friend, the comma [B],[/B]

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[quote=GMScud;583603]Man I was pulling really hard for Javon Ringer pre-draft, and was really annoyed when we took Glenn. I'll be even more annoyed when Glenn gets cut. Given Jonathan Stewart's health right now, I wouldn't be surprised to see Ringer see some time in Carolina. He's a burner with nice strength and would have made sense with our 5th pick. If Marko pans out, I guess I can forgive Vinny.[/quote]

For what its worth, i think Glenn will make the team. Henson many not even make the PS. I was also pulling for Ringer. However, if the plan is to draft a true complimentary back to Portis that can scare defenses, then we really need to use atleast a #2 on the position. Looking at another thread on this post, next years draft seems pretty deep at the RB and OT positions in the first 2 rounds. Campbell is showing some promise, so unless Heyer and Mike Williams both turn into starting-quality tackles, i'd be shocked if we didnt go OT and RB with our 1st two picks next year.

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I have respect for a lot of people on this board..SBXVII, Gmscud, 53Fan, SmootSmack and some others. Because we can debate or disagree (even agree every now and then on certain points..lol) with each other but not take it to the extreme of name calling. I blasted off on this board because someone had to call me a half wit because I said Rock is expendable. Like I said opinions are just that opinions. The coaches have the final say. When the cuts happen we will see if Rock makes it or not. That's my finaly say..I am beginning to think. Some of these posters are players. Maybe even some coaches..lol..Is that you Danny Smith.. IS that you Rock..? LMAO

Fin

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;583596]
At the end of the day, i'd be truly shocked if our RB situation doesnt look exactly like it did last year. The only option i can really see is trading Aldridge for Cartwright. The dude's got some serious speed and Cartwright doesnt really contribute as much to this team as some think he does. Remember, despite all the talk about how vital he is to our special teams, not a single team in the 31-team league wanted him when he was a FA last year. Not one. If that's not damning, then I don't know what is.[/quote]


Good point!!

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[quote=dmvskinzfan08;583602]What was self contradicting? No I basically see it as you and your two cronies as being self assigned elder statesman of the board. You all gang up on people and try to make their opinion invalid. Its a opinion not fact. [B]If everyone had the same opinions. What would we have to talk about on this board???[/B] I also see you all are also doing this to other people on this board. Who cares if you take me seriously dude? I am beginning to really think you are a dork. Because this board is your home. I post my thoughts and opinions. Because I want to. Not for you only. This is the US. I can say what the f--k I want and for you to insult my intelligence because you can't comprehend or agree with what I am saying makes you an asshole. You probably voted for Bush both times didn't you. You probably think the WMD's are still out there. Dude I could care less what you think. Your gum under my shoe. Better yet crap under my shoe.[/quote]
So now you're argument is that "it's just an opinion?" You're arguing an awful lot to take that kind of passive-aggressive stance.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;583606]I would like to introduce you to my friend, the comma [B],[/B][/quote]

:laughing2

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[quote=dmvskinzfan08;583602]What was self contradicting? No I basically see it as you and your two cronies as being self assigned elder statesman of the board. You all gang up on people and try to make their opinion invalid. Its a opinion not fact. [B]If everyone had the same opinions. What would we have to talk about on this board???[/B] I also see you all are also doing this to other people on this board. Who cares if you take me seriously dude? I am beginning to really think you are a dork. Because this board is your home. I post my thoughts and opinions. Because I want to. Not for you only. This is the US. I can say what the f--k I want and for you to insult my intelligence because you can't comprehend or agree with what I am saying makes you an asshole. You probably voted for Bush both times didn't you. You probably think the WMD's are still out there. Dude I could care less what you think. Your gum under my shoe. Better yet crap under my shoe.[/quote]

Dude, please chill.

Also please notice that you are free to offer your opinions, as you said. But others are also free not to give a hoot about your opinions. That is because opinions are not created equal. There is such a thing as a bad opinion. For example, if I opined that we should cut Samuels and start Colt Brennan at left tackle, most people here would consider that to be a poor opinion.

So take a deep breath and chill. Perhaps take a break from the Warpath. Whatever. But chill.

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[quote=Lotus;583617]Dude, please chill.

Also please notice that you are free to offer your opinions, as you said. But others are also free not to give a hoot about your opinions. That is because opinions are not created equal. There is such a thing as a bad opinion. For example, if I opined that we should cut Samuels and start Colt Brennan at left tackle, most people here would consider that to be a poor opinion.

So take a deep breath and chill. Perhaps take a break from the Warpath. Whatever. But chill.[/quote]

I am chill dude. You need to talk to the Rock lovers. To call me a half-wit and not intelligent because I said Rock is expendable is assinine. Wasn't going to let that slide. Who is to say if it is a bad opinion or not? You can't compare Rock being expendable to the example you just used. Not comparable at all. I will break when I want to break. Rock is such a touchy issue on this board. Maybe because he is the most awesome ST player ever!! If he gets cut I am ramming crow down all your throats. If not I will come on here and say I was a half-wit and dont know shit about football and will ban myself from this board. Cool? LMAO

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[quote=dmvskinzfan08;583610]I have respect for a lot of people on this board..SBXVII, Gmscud, 53Fan, SmootSmack and some others. Because we can debate or disagree (even agree every now and then on certain points..lol) with each other but not take it to the extreme of name calling. I blasted off on this board because someone had to call me a half wit because I said Rock is expendable. Like I said opinions are just that opinions. The coaches have the final say. When the cuts happen we will see if Rock makes it or not. That's my finaly say..I am beginning to think. Some of these posters are players. Maybe even some coaches..lol..Is that you Danny Smith.. IS that you Rock..? LMAO

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My real name is Reed Doughty and I'm making this squad half wit.

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[quote=trample the elderly;583621]my real name is reed doughty and i'm making this squad half wit.[/quote]

hahaha

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[quote=FRPLG;583615]So now you're argument is that "it's just an opinion?" You're arguing an awful lot to take that kind of passive-aggressive stance.[/quote]

No that's not a passive-aggressive stance. Speculations on who is going to make the team can only be opinions unless the people making the cuts are on this board posting. I am argueing my point. If you have a different point of view that's on you.

Cartwright
-29 not a spring chicken by any means
-One dimensional (doesn't contribute on any other units)
-Returns the ball to the 30. He is the only person that can do that..He's super!!
-Average RB at best
-Didn't help last year when Betts and Portis got hurt (we signed TTB)
-No other team wanted him but us. But he is so valuable.
-He is a special teams captain. But ST sucks.
-Someone made a point about Betts in comparison. Betts ran one back & Moss did to.. Without nearly as many attempts as Rock. Not even close...
-Thomas can replace him
-If we can keep one of the other RB and keep Rock that might be the best solution. To make the Rock lovers happy
- He's not a dynamic player at all

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[quote=Schneed10;583464]DMV, just to warn you, you've stepped into a debate with probably the smartest guy on the site (GTripp), someone who is willing to debate till he's blue in the face (CRedskins), and easily the biggest asshole on the site (me).

Fair warning.

You've done nothing but make yourself look foolish here. You claimed that Rock's stats were terrible, [B]I showed you that he is consistently among the best in kick returns, using incontrovertible facts[/B]. Then you dismiss statistics as dorky and irrelevant.

You've then indirectly compared Marcus Mason to Joshua Cribbs and Darren Sproles by suggesting that we choose between Rock and those elite return men. Needless to say this is idiotic, because those are Browns and Chargers, not Redskins. We are debating Mason vs Rock, not Rock vs the league.

Concurrent to this absurd analysis of yours, you continue to dismiss punt and kick coverage skills as a matter of importance. You also fail to answer my call to explain what skill set Mason adds to the team that does not already exist on the roster. So in addition to looking foolish, you appear to have little to no understanding of the NFL.[/quote]

I am by no means in league with DMV, however your stats only proved he was the #6 in total yrds as a KR from ESPN. I agree cause I can't argue against that fact he had so many yrds. Probably cause other teams scored so much either with TD's or Field Goals. but I pointed out that he was like #23 on the list of all the KRers last yr with like 25 yrds per carry. Being #23 is not bad but it's not top 10 either.

Now take a moment and look at his Rushing yrds. I mean if he's going to be listed as a RB then lets look at his RB stats. He's way, way, way, down the page. I think JC had more yrds Rushing. I guess that's cause he sucks right? wrong. If he's not being utilized as a RB then it's unfair to compare his stats. No different then Mason who has not been utilized this preseason cause they are looking at Alridge, Dorsey, and Thomas.

but....I'll repeat what I wrote earlier, why does the RB have to be the KR? I mean if Thomas has another great showing like he did last game then why couldn't the KR be a WR. Thus eliminating the whole Rock issue all together. Maybe that's what Cerrato was eluding to. If Thomas has a good showing then he can be the KR/WR cause I think we all agree Kelly has surpassed him and Mitchell I think looks better also. Then the team can let Rock go and keep Mason and Alridge. That would be Portis, Betts, Mason, Alridge and Sellers. 5. ;)

Not that it will or won't happen just throwing it out there.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;583621]My real name is Reed Doughty and I'm making this squad half wit.[/quote]

No your real name is Country Bumpkin and your a trailer park resident!

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[quote=dmvskinzfan08;583631]No your real name is Country Bumpkin and your a trailer park resident![/quote]

Lighten up dude.

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[quote=SmootSmack;583573]This may have been posted already

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/jason-reid/making-a-case-for-rock-cartwri.html]Redskins Insider - Making a Case for Rock Cartwright[/url][/quote]

I'm just going to go ahead and quote myself here

"The thing that people don't realize [about teams] is that people play four and five positions," Smith said. "A guy has a position on a kickoff, a kickoff return, a punt and a punt return; that's four spots. When I lose a guy, I lose a guy at four spots.

"It may take one guy to fill all those four. It may take four guys to fill all four. That's the difference. It's not like when you lose a fullback and say, 'Well, we'll just go to another formation.' In this case, you can lose four slots, which is critical. So you need guys that are versatile like Rock, who can do a lot of things and play a lot of places."

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[quote=SmootSmack;583635][B]I'm just going to go ahead and quote myself here[/B]

"The thing that people don't realize [about teams] is that people play four and five positions," Smith said. "A guy has a position on a kickoff, a kickoff return, a punt and a punt return; that's four spots. When I lose a guy, I lose a guy at four spots.

"It may take one guy to fill all those four. It may take four guys to fill all four. That's the difference. It's not like when you lose a fullback and say, 'Well, we'll just go to another formation.' In this case, you can lose four slots, which is critical. So you need guys that are versatile like Rock, who can do a lot of things and play a lot of places."[/quote]

You sly dog you.

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Deep breath everyone.

Now chill the F out.

thanks

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[quote=SBXVII;583630]I am by no means in league with DMV, however your stats only proved he was the #6 in total yrds as a KR from ESPN. I agree cause I can't argue against that fact he had so many yrds. Probably cause other teams scored so much either with TD's or Field Goals. but I pointed out that he was like #23 on the list of all the KRers last yr with like 25 yrds per carry. Being #23 is not bad but it's not top 10 either.

Now take a moment and look at his Rushing yrds. I mean if he's going to be listed as a RB then lets look at his RB stats. He's way, way, way, down the page. I think JC had more yrds Rushing. I guess that's cause he sucks right? wrong. If he's not being utilized as a RB then it's unfair to compare his stats. No different then Mason who has not been utilized this preseason cause they are looking at Alridge, Dorsey, and Thomas.

but....I'll repeat what I wrote earlier, why does the RB have to be the KR? I mean if Thomas has another great showing like he did last game then why couldn't the KR be a WR. Thus eliminating the whole Rock issue all together. Maybe that's what Cerrato was eluding to. If Thomas has a good showing then he can be the KR/WR cause I think we all agree Kelly has surpassed him and Mitchell I think looks better also. Then the team can let Rock go and keep Mason and Alridge. That would be Portis, Betts, Mason, Alridge and Sellers. 5. ;)

Not that it will or won't happen just throwing it out there.[/quote]

No no. We can't let Rock go. our team will fall apart and our ST will not be best in the league and we wont have anyone to back up Portis or Betts if on of them gets injured no way. Our team would just go under. We can't possibly do that. Rock can't be replaced. [end sarcasm]

This is the point I am trying to make. I am by now means trying to put you near the targets that's on my back. I think we have gotten use to mediocrity and for us to move forward some times we have to take risks and shakes things up.

I totally agree with your statement above. Does anyone realize what happened last year when Portis and Betts went down or am I just dreaming this? We signed TTB when we had a RB on our roster. At that point was returking kicks more important than filling in for our injured 1st and 2nd RB or either spelling one of them when the other was hurt? Dag that says it all. Some people are so smart they don't have common sense and are loyal to a fault. This is a business. Not popularity contest. I want to win. If we had a decent back last year when Betts & Portis got hurt. Our season might have turned a little different. Like I said where was Rock. Oh returning kicks to the 30...but I am a half wit..what the f ever!!

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[quote=Mattyk72;583638]Deep breath everyone.

Now chill the F out.

thanks[/quote]

Man the board is hopping the last few days.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;583634]Lighten up dude.[/quote]

Sorry dude. I am in defense mode and I am getting attacked from all angles..lol. My apologies. But calling me half wit is why I went off on you..

I am relentless & ruthless. LMAO

I am the king of insults. So beware!!

But again. My bad dude. Just responding to the half wit comment. If someone is insulting me. They will get insulted back!

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[quote=Mattyk72;583638]Deep breath everyone.

Now chill the F out.

thanks[/quote]

My bad Mattyk72.

Im done. Everyone thinks they are a coach. As for the other thread I started. It was because I couldn't post a poll. I am able to agree to disagree. But when name calling is involved..I will come out with guns blazing on this board. Well atleast this is helping the day past faster if your at work!! LMAO


HTTR!!!

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[quote=dmvskinzfan08;583643]Sorry dude. I am in defense mode and I am getting attacked from all angles..lol. My apologies. But calling me half wit is why I went off on you..

I am relentless & ruthless. LMAO

I am the king of insults. So beware!!

But again. My bad dude. Just responding to the half wit comment. If someone is insulting me. They will get insulted back![/quote]

Don't worry, with me (Reed Doughty) playing special teams we're going to own the NFC East, so eff Rock Cartwright. I've got this!

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;583645]Don't worry, with me (Reed Doughty) playing special teams we're going to own the NFC East, so eff Rock Cartwright. I've got this![/quote]

LOL. Actually RD has been playing pretty good on special teams and on defense so far!! (versatility) :D. Dag he plays on more than one unit. That's unheard of. ROTFL

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[quote=dmvskinzfan08;583631]No your real name is Country Bumpkin and your a trailer park resident![/quote]


DMV, dude I'm doing my best to assist you but have you ever heard you can't help stupid? Be the bigger man and let the name calling go. Let them appear imature if they want to call you a half-wit and move on.

Again I'm doing my best to help your cause, because I think we are on the same page but your not helping me with the name calling. :).

P.S. Hope all our favorites have a good game tonight with out injuries.

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[quote=SBXVII;583650]DMV, dude I'm doing my best to assist you but have you ever heard you can't help stupid? Be the bigger man and let the name calling go. Let them appear imature if they want to call you a half-wit and move on.

Again I'm doing my best to help your cause, because I think we are on the same page but your not helping me with the name calling. :).

P.S. Hope all our favorites have a good game tonight with out injuries.[/quote]

Okay could have done without the first line (if it was referring to me). But I agree with the rest of what you said..Ill let that comment slide..lol :D

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[quote=dmvskinzfan08;583647]LOL. Actually RD has been playing pretty good on special teams and on defense so far!! (versatility) :D. Dag he plays on more than one unit. That's unheard of. ROTFL[/quote]

It's all good. Don't take things too seriously. I mean it's not like we didn't draft a tackle this year.

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[quote=SmootSmack;583635]I'm just going to go ahead and quote myself here

[B]"The thing that people don't realize [about teams] is that people play four and five positions," Smith said. "A guy has a position on a kickoff, a kickoff return, a punt and a punt return; that's four spots.[/B] When I lose a guy, I lose a guy at four spots.

"It may take one guy to fill all those four. It may take four guys to fill all four. That's the difference. It's not like when you lose a fullback and say, 'Well, we'll just go to another formation.' In this case, you can lose four slots, which is critical. So you need guys that are versatile like Rock, who can do a lot of things and play a lot of places."[/quote]


Just throwing this out there....Rock is the KR. If he partakes in kickoffs I wouldn't know it cause someone else made all the tackles last yr mostly Thomas and a LB but I forget who. Rock does not partake in PR or atleast he's not significant cause he's not the runner, but if he's blocking then you can't tell me someone else can't block....they are football players. As for Punting I think he has been the last man back prior to the kicker setting up as a blocker ....I can understand that.

I asked once and will again. Can anyone show like a layout of who plays on special teams and their position they play and any back ups to those players?

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[quote=SmootSmack;583635]
"The thing that people don't realize [about teams] is that people play four and five positions," Smith said. "A guy has a position on a kickoff, a kickoff return, a punt and a punt return; that's four spots. When I lose a guy, I lose a guy at four spots.

"It may take one guy to fill all those four. It may take four guys to fill all four. That's the difference. It's not like when you lose a fullback and say, 'Well, we'll just go to another formation.' In this case, you can lose four slots, which is critical. So you need guys that are versatile like Rock, who can do a lot of things and play a lot of places."[/quote]

Thanks for the quote. I'm sure alot of people here didnt know that Rock Cartwright played 4 positions on special teams. I figured I'd piggy back off your post and share some other facts that some of you may not know about Rock Cartwright:

•When Rock Cartwright does a pushup, he isn’t lifting himself up, he’s pushing the Earth down.
•Rock Cartwright is so fast, he can run around the world and round kick himself in the back of the head.
•182,000 Americans die from Rock Cartwright-related accidents every year.
•Rock Cartwright can kill two stones with one bird
•There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Rock Cartwright has allowed to live.