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I suspect that what may happen is the Redskins expect that Sherman Lewis will have a positive short-term impact.

But then I suspect that at the end of the season (or maybe before hand), Snyder and Cerrato will go to Zorn and say "Look, you've seen the impact Lewis has had and it's apparent you have too much on your plate as head coach, playcaller, and QB coach. And the support team you have here just isn't helping you out. So... you need to fire Chris Meidt and Sherman Smith (probably not Stump Mitchell."

Then, Zorn will probably (and I suspect this is what the front office expects) think well shoot those are my two top lieutenants, those are my guys, without them most of this staff isn't even mine and he'll reply with "No, I'm standing by these guys. If you don't want them around then I quit."

And the Redskins will then say "We gave him every opportunity but we appreciate his decision to move forward. We wish him continued success."

or something along those lines

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[quote=SmootSmack;604196]I suspect that what may happen is the Redskins expect that Sherman Lewis will have a positive short-term impact.

But then I suspect that at the end of the season (or maybe before hand), Snyder and Cerrato will go to Zorn and say "Look, you've seen the impact Lewis has had and it's apparent you have too much on your plate as head coach, playcaller, and QB coach. And the support team you have here just isn't helping you out. So... you need to fire Chris Meidt and Sherman Smith (probably not Stump Mitchell."

Then, Zorn will probably (and I suspect this is what the front office expects) think well shoot those are my two top lieutenants, those are my guys, without them most of this staff isn't even mine and he'll reply with "No, I'm standing by these guys. If you don't want them around then I quit."

And the Redskins will then say "We gave him every opportunity but we appreciate his decision to move forward. We wish him continued success."

or something along those lines[/quote]

Yeah, that could happen I guess. But I think it will go something like this.

Cerrato to Zorn, "You're fired"

Zorn to Cerrato, "OK, goodbye."

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[quote=SmootSmack;604196]I suspect that what may happen is the Redskins expect that Sherman Lewis will have a positive short-term impact.

But then I suspect that at the end of the season (or maybe before hand), Snyder and Cerrato will go to Zorn and say "Look, you've seen the impact Lewis has had and it's apparent you have too much on your plate as head coach, playcaller, and QB coach. And the support team you have here just isn't helping you out. So... you need to fire Chris Meidt and Sherman Smith (probably not Stump Mitchell."

Then, Zorn will probably (and I suspect this is what the front office expects) think well shoot those are my two top lieutenants, those are my guys, without them most of this staff isn't even mine and he'll reply with "No, I'm standing by these guys. If you don't want them around then I quit."

And the Redskins will then say "We gave him every opportunity but we appreciate his decision to move forward. We wish him continued success."

or something along those lines[/quote]

I am sure Zorn is loyal, but I can't see him giving up his shot at head coaching for loyalty to an assistant. To hear him and his wife talk, he has wanted to be a head coach for a long long time. I think the only thing they could strip from him that would give him pause is play calling.

My real hope is that Lewis helps open Zorn's eyes enough to see through whatever it is that may be preventing him from taking that next step.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;604204]I am sure Zorn is loyal, but I can't see him giving up his shot at head coaching for loyalty to an assistant. To hear him and his wife talk, he has wanted to be a head coach for a long long time. I think the only thing they could strip from him that would give him pause is play calling.

My real hope is that Lewis helps open Zorn's eyes enough to see through whatever it is that may be preventing him from taking that next step.[/quote]

Yeah I guess I should have been more clear that part of "forcing" Meidt and Smith out is the assumption that Zorn would need to hire an experienced, and part of Zorn's support of his guys is the knowledge that they let him remain in control. They're no real threat to him.

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Alright.. one thing I haven't heard mentioned.

I've heard maybe Cerratto called Holmgren for who to pick

what if cerratto and zorn were talking about it and zorn called holmgren for a suggestion?

still could be from mike, but not behind the back of zorn.. I'd imagine that zorn still keeps contact with the ol walrus

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I just want to win if he helps i'm all for that SB here we come.

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[quote=SmootSmack;604196]I suspect that what may happen is the Redskins expect that Sherman Lewis will have a positive short-term impact.

But then I suspect that at the end of the season (or maybe before hand), Snyder and Cerrato will go to Zorn and say "Look, you've seen the impact Lewis has had and it's apparent you have too much on your plate as head coach, playcaller, and QB coach. And the support team you have here just isn't helping you out. So... you need to fire Chris Meidt and Sherman Smith (probably not Stump Mitchell."

Then, Zorn will probably (and I suspect this is what the front office expects) think well shoot those are my two top lieutenants, those are my guys, without them most of this staff isn't even mine and he'll reply with "No, I'm standing by these guys. If you don't want them around then I quit."

And the Redskins will then say "We gave him every opportunity but we appreciate his decision to move forward. We wish him continued success."

or something along those lines[/quote]


From Charlie Casserly to the guys on PTI to everyone on ESPN and the NFL network, have given this......... "the kiss of Death for Zorn"............only becuase it was done so far into the season .I thnk this was unfair to Zorn..........another Snyder miscue.

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Something smells fishy. I don't like it. Hopefully Zorn can save his job. If Zorn goes, Blache must go. As should Cerrato. Cause Cerrato and Snyder picked them... Will Greg Williams come back? Shanahan? Is the controversy media hype or Snyder reality? I'm afraid it's not media hype. What you all think?

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if you are suprised by this move, then obviously you dont know Dan Snyder. This is a move to undermine his coach and the coaches staff. What confidence now does the team have in what Zorn is saying?? its absolutely a joke. You dont go and get "another set of eyes" after 4 games, when we are 2-2. I know our offense hasn't been great, but if two passes the week against the rams we caught (sellers and Thomas) we aren't having the discussions. If Zorn (who has been in football all most as long as snyder has had hair on his body) wanted it fine, but we all know he didn't. What the hell does Dan know about football?! NOTHING! This goes back to Norv when he won the division, and lost in the 2nd round of the playoffs. Then Danny boy goes out and gets a bunch of overhyped premadonnas that have no respect for anyone but the check and the season goes to crap, ruining the chemisty Norv had built. He gets fired at 7-6 or whatever the record was at the time (when we are in the middle of fighting for the wild card) and Danny never takes blame for any of that. Then we go to Marty..who finished 8-3 over the last 11 games. Has our roster looking good, draft in place and because he wouldn't give back the power Danny gave him...BOOM...he is gone. Which brings us to spurier, he never had a shot to begin with, all though during the first season I thought he was going to be pretty good. Then we have Gibbs who brought us back to some sort of respectability and what happens when he goes...BOOM.. Danny blows it all up by showing GW the door when everyone in that organization, except tweedle dee and tweedle dumb, wanted him as the coach. The two jackasses we have running our team will never learn and we will never have a team that is decent as long as Danny thinks he knows two shits about football. If I was Zorn, I would have told him to shove it up his ass. You can tell by some of the quotes that no one wants Lewis here nor do they think we need him. I personally want Zorn to work out BIG TIME, I am tired of a new coach every two years, new coordinators every two years, new roster every two years. No good organization is ever built this way.

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Do people not believe Cerrato/Zorn when they say Snyder did not order this, Cerrato wanted it, Zorn accepted (grudgingly I am sure) and Snyder approved it. This isn't a Snyder meddling situation. It's most likely a Cerrato trying to save his and in the process Zorn's jobs. As for it occurring mid season, when you start off struggling against 3 of the worst teams in the league, it seems like a very good time to bring in another pair of eyes

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More BINGO humor

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edit: the link expired... bummers

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Rushing Yards given up by Redskins Opponents this year:

Detroit gave up 143 yards to mike bell (saints), 92 yards to AP on 15 carries, 42 to portis on 12 carries, and 121 to forte on 12 carries.

Tampa gave up 118 yards on the ground to the cowboys, 218 to the bills, 226 to the giants and 125 to the skins.

Rams gave up 147 to Seattle (who beat them 28-0), 79 to portis (who beat them 9-7), 99 to grant (who beat them 36-17), 90 to the 49ers (who beat them 35-0)

giants gave up 62 yards to portis , 228 to the cowboys, 25 to the bucs, and 77 to the chiefs.

I realize different schemes, plans, scores, game situations, lines, etc all come into consideration but its not looking good...

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;604485]Do people not believe Cerrato/Zorn when they say Snyder did not order this, Cerrato wanted it, Zorn accepted (grudgingly I am sure) and Snyder approved it.[quote=CRedskinsRule;604485]



Nope ,nobody should believe them...not about this and not at this time of year.

.[quote=CRedskinsRule;604485] This isn't a Snyder meddling situation. [/quote]

yes it is.

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[quote=Giantone;604770]Nope ,nobody should believe them...not about this and not at this time of year..

yes it is.[/quote]

If Snyder was meddling, he would have fired Zorn already.

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[quote=Giantone;604770][quote=CRedskinsRule;604485]Do people not believe Cerrato/Zorn when they say Snyder did not order this, Cerrato wanted it, Zorn accepted (grudgingly I am sure) and Snyder approved it.[/quote]



Nope ,nobody should believe them...not about this and not at this time of year.

. [quote=credskinsrule]This isn't a Snyder meddling situation[/quote]

yes it is.[/quote]

no, it's not. Cerrato went and did this, At the most Snyder could have said no not that, but then he is meddling with the way his staff wants to handle it.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;604773]no, it's not. Cerrato went and did this, At the most Snyder could have said no not that, but then he is meddling with the way his staff wants to handle it.[/quote]

Bringing in a consultant reeks of a business move...and who is the business man of the year in our front office?

The consultant was Snyder's idea...Sherman Smith was probably Vinny's.

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[quote=#56fanatic;604482]if you are suprised by this move, then obviously you dont know Dan Snyder. This is a move to undermine his coach and the coaches staff. What confidence now does the team have in what Zorn is saying?? its absolutely a joke. You dont go and get "another set of eyes" after 4 games, when we are 2-2. I know our offense hasn't been great, but if two passes the week against the rams we caught (sellers and Thomas) we aren't having the discussions. If Zorn (who has been in football all most as long as snyder has had hair on his body) wanted it fine, but we all know he didn't. What the hell does Dan know about football?! NOTHING! This goes back to Norv when he won the division, and lost in the 2nd round of the playoffs. Then Danny boy goes out and gets a bunch of overhyped premadonnas that have no respect for anyone but the check and the season goes to crap, ruining the chemisty Norv had built. He gets fired at 7-6 or whatever the record was at the time (when we are in the middle of fighting for the wild card) and Danny never takes blame for any of that. Then we go to Marty..who finished 8-3 over the last 11 games. Has our roster looking good, draft in place and because he wouldn't give back the power Danny gave him...BOOM...he is gone. Which brings us to spurier, he never had a shot to begin with, all though during the first season I thought he was going to be pretty good. Then we have Gibbs who brought us back to some sort of respectability and what happens when he goes...BOOM.. Danny blows it all up by showing GW the door when everyone in that organization, except tweedle dee and tweedle dumb, wanted him as the coach. The two jackasses we have running our team will never learn and we will never have a team that is decent as long as Danny thinks he knows two shits about football. If I was Zorn, I would have told him to shove it up his ass. You can tell by some of the quotes that no one wants Lewis here nor do they think we need him. I personally want Zorn to work out BIG TIME, I am tired of a new coach every two years, new coordinators every two years, new roster every two years. No good organization is ever built this way.[/quote]

Ok, so we'll count you in as an "It's all the players fault for not exicuting" person.

and a Danny is a "Scumbag" person.

Zorn won't say shove it cause if he does DS doesn't have to pay him but if DS fires him he still has to pay him. I don't think Zorn is that stupid about his money. It's ruining his rep if he had one but I'm not even sure he had one. He was a QB coach. Only 2 times has it worked out in the past.....Andy Reid, and Gruden.

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[quote=Giantone;604466]From Charlie Casserly to the guys on PTI to everyone on ESPN and the NFL network, have given this......... "the kiss of Death for Zorn"............only becuase it was done so far into the season .I thnk this was unfair to Zorn..........another Snyder miscue.[/quote]

unfair for Zorn? I agree in the sense that he was not OC or HC material. So DS/Cerrato put him in a position to lose.

but lets look at the pot calling the Kettle black. I believe you fans were ready to take off Coughlins head before the second yr.

Had Zorn started out bad and ended good we would feel more positive, but instead he started out good and ended the season on a bad note and is still he has not figured out how to turn it around. That's why he should go.

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[quote=Skinny Tee;604776]Bringing in a consultant reeks of a business move...and who is the business man of the year in our front office?

The consultant was Snyder's idea...Sherman Smith was probably Vinny's.[/quote]

What proof do you have of this? Oh I forgot we don't need proof to bash Snyder, every move that we don't like gets ascribed to him regardless of what the facts say.

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When Vinny was with the Niners, it was not uncommon to hire consultants. Bill Walsh was one. The Niners still do it, or as recently as last year they did. So I could see Vinny's past with San Fran influencing this decision

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I say we hire Bobby Beathard as a consultant to the GM. I think we need another set of eyes to help with player management....fair is fair. Are there mirrors in the FO for them to look at themselves? Double Standard!

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;604781]What proof do you have of this? Oh I forgot we don't need proof to bash Snyder, every move that we don't like gets ascribed to him regardless of what the facts say.[/quote]

I'm not Snyder bashing in my statement...you're sensitive.

What proof did we have of the Haynesworth signing?...Our front office said that it was not going to pursue Haynesworth in free agency and then Snyder is dining with his agent the days before free agency started.

Next thing you know we're introducing Albert within hours of the start of free agency.

Our front office has proven their story is unreliable when it comes to player/staff personnel moves. If there was no reason to believe them then there isn't any reason to believe them now.

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[quote=SBXVII;604777]Ok, so we'll count you in as an "It's all the players fault for not exicuting" person.

and a Danny is a "Scumbag" person.

Zorn won't say shove it cause if he does DS doesn't have to pay him but if DS fires him he still has to pay him. I don't think Zorn is that stupid about his money. It's ruining his rep if he had one but I'm not even sure he had one. He was a QB coach. Only 2 times has it worked out in the past.....Andy Reid, and Gruden.[/quote]


I am not one of the "its all the players fault for not exicuting" person. I never even said that. My point was if two catches were made, the offensive questions wouldn't be near as bad as they are. I blame Zorn for some calls he makes, players for the lack of execution, its across the board. My reason for the post was to vent about how Snyder is putting his nose into crap that he shouldn't. again, what confidence now does the team have in Zorn, if the owner has basically put the writing on the wall that he is out. How does that create a winning attitude? I was being sarcastic regarding the "shove it" comment. Of course he'd be a jackass to quit, I just wish Dan would stay out of this stuff. He hired the guy (nothing more that a QB coach) so let the guy coach and let the guy try and right the ship. which at the beginning of the season I'd say 99% of us had the team at 3-1, were 2-2 right now, its not the time to undermine the damn head coach. Dan Snyder is a control freak, its ridiculous guys. I am sure he wants to win as bad as any of us, but honestly he has as much knowledge in running a football team as you or I. Just because he is a billionare doesn't make him a "football" expert.

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[quote=Defensewins;604786]I say we hire Bobby Beathard as a consultant to the GM. I think we need another set of eyes to help with player management....fair is fair. Are there mirrors in the FO for them to look at themselves? Double Standard![/quote]

Now THAT'S a good idea.

Bravo, Sir.

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Bobby is 72........

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So...Sherman Lewis is 67. Are your saying Bobby is too old? Bobby still surfs in San Diego.
I was kind of kidding about bringing in Bobby to be consultant to Cerratto. I was just trying to raise the point of the double standard that exists with the Redskins and how the FO is not held accountable because the owner is one of the two heads in this two headed monster. If DS admitted the the FO is not pulling its weight that would mean [B]he[/B] is not doing a good job and we all know that would never happen. Cerratto has been with the organization a long time and he seems untouchable.

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so... i guess i'm in the minority who thinks this is a bad, bad idea. hiring a consultant is fine but this is NOT the way to do it. it's pretty clear by now zorn did not want this. just listen to all the effin paranoia on this thread. i know we're fans, but don't you think a thought or two like this might go through the staff/locker room. i totally agree with wilbon and especially jenkins (can't beleive i'm writing that last one) on this: this is compulsively bad management. if you've ever experienced it, this has the signs. personally i'm for "fire snyder" signs at games. seriously.

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Here's a pretty good article on the subject:

[url=http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2009/10/09/redskins-must-learn-from-lewis-wisdom/#cont]Redskins Must Learn From Sherman Lewis' Wisdom -- NFL FanHouse[/url]

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[quote=53Fan;604829]Here's a pretty good article on the subject:

[url=http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2009/10/09/redskins-must-learn-from-lewis-wisdom/#cont]Redskins Must Learn From Sherman Lewis' Wisdom -- NFL FanHouse[/url][/quote]

Twas a good article. The thing that caught my eye most: he was WR coach for the niners when they won 3 SB!!!

...at this point this could turn out to be a genius move but it could also be a real disruption. Best case scenario Lewis is really in DC to replace Hixon for the year and get the young members of the WR corp playing like legit NFL receivers. Not sure why the FO didn't just can Hixon and install Lewis directly but this franchise does EVERYTHING screwy (who the hell assembles all the assistants before trying to bring in an HC?). Worst case scenario Lewis doesn't have a specific task and ends up butting heads w/ Zorn, creating distraction and tension.

...guess we'll all find out together :)

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Anybody read Mike Wise's column yesterday? A good read. This speculation I found very interesting:


[I] A conspiracy theorist might connect the dots and the timeline, which appeared fuzzy on Wednesday, like this: Lewis spends time with an old friend, Greg Blache, the Redskins' defensive coordinator whom he worked with for two years in Green Bay, before the Detroit-Washington game at the team hotel. Blache is a motivator of great renown, thought of highly by Snyder. If things go abysmally south the next three weeks, Blache is asked to take bullets as the interim head coach until season's end. At the least, Blache has got a guy he knows with a little play-calling experience to have his back in the event Zorn and Smith can't put Humpty Dumpty back together again by the bye week. [/I]

[I] By then, Lewis has almost a month under his belt of learning personnel, plays and players. [/I]
[I]Insular Ashburn says that's cynical thinking, jaded even. They say Lewis has worked with Brett Favre, Steve Young, Joe Montana, Bill Walsh and Mike Holmgren -- so why not Campbell and Zorn? Since Zorn is basically a young Jedi learning the ways of the Force, to the point of his light saber needing new D batteries in the red zone, why not bring in Yoda for reinforcement? [/I]

[I]Whom do I believe? Charley Casserly, the former general manager of the team, is normally a close-to-the-vest man in his new life as a football analyst on television. In his first thoughts after the hire, he called the addition of Lewis the "kiss of death" for Zorn.
[/I]


Full Link: [URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/10/07/AR2009100703828.html"]washingtonpost.com[/URL]

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[quote=SBXVII;604779]

but lets look at the pot calling the Kettle black. I believe you fans were ready to take off Coughlins head before the second yr.
.[/quote]

Winning will stop any bitching,wasn't a Coughlin fan but he earned the right and now a'ALL" the players are behind him.This is more about ownership and ...............and I wasn't calling anyone anything.

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I think this is really the kiss of death for Sherman Smith. It is in the realm of possibility that Synder keeps Zorn and fires Smith for Lewis, if things don't improve.

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[quote=NM Redskin;604874]I think this is really the kiss of death for Sherman Smith. It is in the realm of possibility that Synder keeps Zorn and fires Smith for Lewis, if things don't improve.[/quote]

Zorn brought Sherman Smith in though. He actually had to do some convincing beforehand to pry him away from the Titans job. It would be pretty gutless to let your man go and just shrug it off like that. Especially considering Smith is one of only guys you brought in.

There has to be limitations to Zorn's constitution. You just can't continue to be undermined and be fine with it. You have to stand up at some point. Money and personal advancement is great but your professional credibility has to come into play when you're in charge.

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Unfortunately I think the writing is on the wall. Snyder is a rich prick. To fire Zorn before seasons end is premature, but we've seen it before. Why would true Skins fans expect otherwise? Why can't Gibbs Racing buy the team? FUCK. (Sorry for the curse words, but I'm really pissed).

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Lewis will see their a few problems fixable thou but we need better WR's coaching & he will put in more time with them.

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Too bad. Clearly this Sherman Lewis move is just more [U]owner meddling[/U] with the team, and is destroying the team. Reminds me of when Gibbs was forced to give up his offensive coordinator role to whats-his-face (what could've happened if he kept it??). Sure, Lewis not a big move -- but it undermines the coach & team, and the team chemistry is falling apart. Sherman Smith is upset about Sherman Lewis, Portis is fighting with Sellers, Blache stopped talking to the media, and Zorn -- well, he's a *good guy* -- but how much respect does the team give him if they know he won't be there for long..

I think their drafts have been suspect & their free agent moves have often failed, and they just keep changing coaches and putting them at fault.

So looking back two years ago with the often talked about 3 second round picks... What if.. [U]What if we actually drafted an offensive line two years ago[/U]?? INSTEAD of the receivers and TE we have that combined for -1 yard -- and actually drafted for NEED? Guess hindsight will tell us, but so far I just WISH we had a line that could actually create holes for Portis and betts. I just look at the HUGE running lanes that other running backs get down the middle of the field and I salivate....

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^"So looking back two years ago with the often talked about 3 second round picks... What if.. What if we actually drafted an offensive line two years ago?? INSTEAD of the receivers and TE we have that combined for -1 yard -- and actually drafted for NEED? Guess hindsight will tell us, but so far I just WISH we had a line that could actually create holes for Portis and betts. I just look at the HUGE running lanes that other running backs get down the middle of the field and I salivate...."

See thinking ahead and planning with your draft is how you building championship teams, WE DONT DO THAT HERE IN WASHINGTON. Our FO strategy is knee jerk reactions and plug hole strategy. Send draft picks away and then overpay free agents who never perform at their pay level. God, go to the salary cap central page here and prepare to throw up...my favs are Andre Carter, Portis and ARE contracts personally. There was an thread up here a couple months ago about "why we are the laughing stock of the NFL", its a direct result of are FO management. So far our play contributes to that laughing stock title as well hiring Bingo-callers and our D Cord being too sensative to reporters questions. Back to our 3 draft picks of the second round, you seen their play so far this year, might as well be ghosts out on the field because we getting goose eggs contributions from them. Its really just sicking to watch us hit bottom.

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[quote=ethat001;604889]Too bad. Clearly this Sherman Lewis move is just more [U]owner meddling[/U] with the team, and is destroying the team. Reminds me of when Gibbs was forced to give up his offensive coordinator role to whats-his-face (what could've happened if he kept it??). Sure, Lewis not a big move -- but it undermines the coach & team, and the team chemistry is falling apart. Sherman Smith is upset about Sherman Lewis, Portis is fighting with Sellers, Blache stopped talking to the media, and Zorn -- well, he's a *good guy* -- but how much respect does the team give him if they know he won't be there for long..

I think their drafts have been suspect & their free agent moves have often failed, and they just keep changing coaches and putting them at fault.

So looking back two years ago with the often talked about 3 second round picks... What if.. [U]What if we actually drafted an offensive line two years ago[/U]?? INSTEAD of the receivers and TE we have that combined for -1 yard -- and actually drafted for NEED? Guess hindsight will tell us, but so far I just WISH we had a line that could actually create holes for Portis and betts. I just look at the HUGE running lanes that other running backs get down the middle of the field and I salivate....[/quote]

Gibbs was forced to hire Saunders?

Interesting.

Got any concrete evidence of that?

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[quote=Mattyk72;604919]Gibbs was forced to hire Saunders?

Interesting.

Got any concrete evidence of that?[/quote]


i thought gibbs wanted saunders because his(gibbs') offense was struggling. plus, i remember seeing an interview with gibbs and when he was asked if he had any regrets gibbs replied something like "i should have never brought saunders here"

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[quote=Chico23231;604894]^"So looking back two years ago with the often talked about 3 second round picks... What if.. What if we actually drafted an offensive line two years ago?? INSTEAD of the receivers and TE we have that combined for -1 yard -- and actually drafted for NEED? Guess hindsight will tell us, but so far[B] I just WISH we had a line that could actually create holes for Portis and betts[/B]. I just look at the HUGE running lanes that other running backs get down the middle of the field and I salivate...."

See thinking ahead and planning with your draft is how you building championship teams, WE DONT DO THAT HERE IN WASHINGTON. Our FO strategy is knee jerk reactions and plug hole strategy. Send draft picks away and then overpay free agents who never perform at their pay level. God, go to the salary cap central page here and prepare to throw up...my favs are Andre Carter, Portis and ARE contracts personally. There was an thread up here a couple months ago about "why we are the laughing stock of the NFL", its a direct result of are FO management. So far our play contributes to that laughing stock title as well hiring Bingo-callers and our D Cord being too sensative to reporters questions. Back to our 3 draft picks of the second round, you seen their play so far this year, might as well be ghosts out on the field because we getting goose eggs contributions from them. Its really just sicking to watch us hit bottom.[/quote]

Our lack of running game is a serious and major liability to the offense.
Everything else is so much easier on offense when you can run the ball well.

We have a serious lack of investment in offensive linemen in draft. There was a vocal group here during the last few drafts pissed we did not draft more OL. I was one of them. We have drafted one lineman in the last three years, Chad Rinehart. During those three years we knew we had an O-line that is old and can not stay healthy. This under performing line did not come on suddenly, we knew about it and did very little to address the problem. .