Re: Our next coach??
 

[quote=SmootSmack;630162]Yeah that's the general belief it seems. That Snyder will win the Shanahan sweepstakes and he'll come here as President/Head Coach (Cerrato could remain but in a non-decision making role); Bob Slowik will be the defensive coordinator, Kyle Shanahan will be the Asst. Head Coach-Offense/heir apparent. If Shanahan (Mike) wants the job, it's basically his.

Would be interesting though if the Texans fire Gary Kubiak. Which apparently is probably likely if they don't make the playoffs Maybe he comes here?[/quote]Kubiak and Zorn are like the exact same coach. I'm so very tired of game-management gaffes.

Re: Our next coach??
 

[quote=SmootSmack;630162]Yeah that's the general belief it seems. That Snyder will win the Shanahan sweepstakes and he'll come here as President/Head Coach (Cerrato could remain but in a non-decision making role); Bob Slowik will be the defensive coordinator, Kyle Shanahan will be the Asst. Head Coach-Offense/heir apparent. If Shanahan (Mike) wants the job, it's basically his.

Would be interesting though if the Texans fire Gary Kubiak. Which apparently is probably likely if they don't make the playoffs Maybe he comes here?[/quote]

So basically is Shanhan comes here, that puts Campbell on the market so he can make a push for Leinart.

But you think they get rid of Gray/Blache too?

Also, could this possibly rejuvenate Portis' career for at least a season?

Re: Our next coach??
 

[quote=Ruhskins;630160]You mean 1-15 Cam Cameron? No thanks. But yes to Gray as DC.[/quote]

honestly im starting to think we are not going to get one of the big names like shanahan, cowher, holmgren, gruden or schottenheimer (sp?).

shanny has declined us already (i think, at least at this stage), cowher has named teams not named the skins as interests, gruden extended with espn but i assume their is a clause allowing him to break K to coach again, holmgren wont touch this place w/ what they did to zorn, same for schotty.

i think with the way the DS does biz and treats coaches not named joe gibbs, no coach with a proven track record will come here. we will have to find another jim zorn (cam cameron/russ grimm) or take a jim fassel/brian billick/steve mariuchi unwanted type coach.

honestly, after what happened to marty, then the smear campaign against gregg williams, then the public castration of zorn . . .what coach with any amount of respect would come here? i think there was a reason zorn was named HC two years ago and i think what has happened to zorn only reinforced the impressions and notions other coaches had of what to expect if they came.

Re: Our next coach??
 

Even with the Shanhan rumors flying, I wouldn't rule out Jerry Gray or Greg Blache being considered as candidates behind closed doors.

Re: Our next coach??
 

[quote=Hog1;630153]Listening to John Clayton this morning on ESPN. He said he thought Shanahan would end up in DC.........for what it's worth[/quote]

doesnt the broncos owe shanahan 7 mil next year and shanahan if shanahan gets a new HC job then the broncos dont have to pay him?

so the skins would have to poay shanahan more than 7 mil for the 1st year just for shan to consider it. but maybe we will pay him 10 mil b/c he could have 2 job titles.

shoot, what about jimmy johnson at this stage? (j/k)

Re: Our next coach??
 

[quote=12thMan;630167]Even with the Shanhan rumors flying, I wouldn't rule out Jerry Gray or Greg Blache being considered as candidates behind closed doors.[/quote]

Gray possibly, though they are saying he's almost as good as gone to Memphis. As for Blache, I'm not sure he'd be (or should be) considered as a long term candidate. And as I understood it, the idea of interim coach was brought up to him and he declined that.

Re: Our next coach??
 

[quote=SmootSmack;630162]Yeah that's the general belief it seems. That Snyder will win the Shanahan sweepstakes and he'll come here as President/Head Coach (Cerrato could remain but in a non-decision making role); Bob Slowik will be the defensive coordinator, Kyle Shanahan will be the Asst. Head Coach-Offense/heir apparent. If Shanahan (Mike) wants the job, it's basically his.

Would be interesting though if the Texans fire Gary Kubiak. Which apparently is probably likely if they don't make the playoffs Maybe he comes here?[/quote]

But why would Snyder ( or anyone else) give Shanahan total control when he had that at Denver and did a below average job? I just don't understand the love for this guy. Great game day coach/coordinator but let's get the right personel people on board and let them pick the players.

Re: Our next coach??
 

[quote=12thMan;630164]So basically is Shanhan comes here, that puts Campbell on the market so he can make a push for Leinart.

But you think they get rid of Gray/Blache too?

Also, could this possibly rejuvenate Portis' career for at least a season?[/quote]

If Shanahan comes here, then all indications are that Bob Slowik will take over as defensive coordinator so I don't know where that would leave Gray and Blache.

Yeah Leinart is a possibility, but there's also the possibility that they go for the less expensive route and make a trade for Rosenfels who would hold down the fort for a year.

It's so hard to say right now. So many possible openings coming up this spring-Bills, Browns, Bears, Raiders, Texans, Bucs, Panthers, Redskins, Cowboys, Jaguars, Seahawks-all these teams and more could be going after new coaches.

Re: Our next coach??
 

[quote=skinsfan69;630172]But why would Snyder ( or anyone else) give Shanahan total control when he had that at Denver and did a below average job? I just don't understand the love for this guy. Great game day coach/coordinator but let's get the right personel people on board and let them pick the players.[/quote]

I don't get it either. I think basically what's happening is there are a lot of teams who want him as the head coach and he's basically saying well if you want that then you have to take the general manager in me too. And if they say no, then it's no skin off his back. He's getting paid for two more years by the Broncos.

I've said many times I'm not an advocate of bringing him here because it would mean he's in charge of personnel. I'd feel more comfortable with him as coach and Vinny calling the shots.

I'm hoping we lose out to the Cowboys, Chargers, Texans, Bears, whoever. Sure, people will say "Typical Snyder meddling couldn't land him the big name." But this is a case where the big name isn't the better name.

Re: Our next coach??
 

Just heard Marty on NFL radio say he has no interest in coming back for a GM role and as far as a head coach job goes, he said something like "after 30 great years I don't want to go down that road again". He really doesn't sound interested in coming back at all.

Re: Our next coach??
 

Yesterday was the first time I've felt that Zorn has a chance of coming back. I'm not saying it's probable, but I think it might be greater than we think.

Re: Our next coach??
 

[quote=skinsfan69;630172]But why would Snyder ( or anyone else) give Shanahan total control when he had that at Denver and did a below average job? I just don't understand the love for this guy. Great game day coach/coordinator but let's get the right personel people on board and let them pick the players.[/quote]

i dont want shanahan as our HC and GM but im not sure i'd label the roster he put together in denver below average.

brandon marshall - 3rd rounder?
clady - 1st rounder, looking like a franchise LT
cutler - probowl, got 2 1st rounders for him
dumbervil (sp?) - league leader in sacks right now, 4th rounder?

im not sure exactly when and where these guys and others were drafted, and i havent done any research on the broncos, but thats a pretty good list off the top of my head. (again i am not sure if this is entirely accurate and im sure im leaving out some other solid picks/signings as well as some busts).

Re: Our next coach??
 

[quote=freddyg12;630196]Yesterday was the first time I've felt that Zorn has a chance of coming back. I'm not saying it's probable, but I think it might be greater than we think.[/quote]

I gotta tell you, I've been feeling that way for about two or three weeks. I think there's a great chance that he goes rather than stays, but I wouldn't be at all shocked if Jim Zorn is coach next year.

Re: Our next coach??
 

[quote=over the mountain;630197]i dont want shanahan as our HC and GM but im not sure i'd label the roster he put together in denver below average.

brandon marshall - 3rd rounder?
clady - 1st rounder, looking like a franchise LT
cutler - probowl, got 2 1st rounders for him
[B][SIZE="3"]dumbervil[/SIZE][/B] (sp?) - league leader in sacks right now, 4th rounder?

im not sure exactly when and where these guys and others were drafted, and i havent done any research on the broncos, but thats a pretty good list off the top of my head. (again i am not sure if this is entirely accurate and im sure im leaving out some other solid picks/signings as well as some busts).[/quote]

:rofl:

Sorry, but that looked pretty funny. I believe the spelling is Dumervil. Hard to remember though.

Re: Our next coach??
 

You know what's kind of funny? Just a month ago Jerry Gray was rumored to be our interim head coach the rest of the season...and now he might be the one gone before season's end.

Re: Our next coach??
 

[quote=SmootSmack;630232]You know what's kind of funny? Just a month ago Jerry Gray was rumored to be our interim head coach the rest of the season...and now he might be the one gone before season's end.[/quote]

Isn't it so he can take a head coach job in the college ranks and get there in time to start recruiting?

Re: Our next coach??
 

where gray going? i heard you say something about memphis . .

Re: Our next coach??
 

Right, it's looking more and more likely that before Thanksgiving he'll be named the next coach at Memphis (thanks in no small part to Pepper Rodgers and Fred Smith). I don't know when he would actually go though

Re: Our next coach??
 

If Shanahan comes here it will be the Joe Gibbs role.
Structure is like this
Owner: Snyder
Preisident- Head Coach Shanahan
Head Flunky- Cerrato.
The final decision will be Shanahan on who stays, who goes. I don't automaticly think that JC will be gone if Shanahan comes in here.

Re: Our next coach??
 

[quote=over the mountain;630239]where gray going? i heard you say something about memphis . .[/quote]

Yup Memphis

Re: Our next coach??
 

^^ under gibbs wasnt it gibbs and cerrato (50/50) with the DS as the breaker if he need be?

Re: Our next coach??
 

No Gibbs had more sway than Cerrato, even Williams was up there fairly high in the decision making process

Re: Our next coach??
 

I would hate to lose Jerry Gray. I really wanted to see him as our DC one day.

Re: Our next coach??
 

Ya know what you all are pissing me off, raining on my parade! Did you all plan this?

First off was Matty (:) ) with his Shottenheimer won't be coming back. Then when I come back I see Matty pointing out that Marty has no wish to be a GM or HC ever again. Thanks friend.

Then freddy continues with the whole "don't be supprised it Zorn is retained".

Then 12th has to convincingly agree.

Then someone has to throw the aged old Blache in the mix for HC.

Thanks. Appreciate it. Better yet why hasn't someone mentioned Fassel? Definitly send me over the edge. :)

Re: Our next coach??
 

I hope Zorn returns. If it was up to me i would give him a total of 5 years. We need to give some one a chance at stability.

Re: Our next coach??
 

[quote=SBXVII;630323]Ya know what you all are pissing me off, raining on my parade! Did you all plan this?

First off was Matty (:) ) with his Shottenheimer won't be coming back. Then when I come back I see Matty pointing out that Marty has no wish to be a GM or HC ever again. Thanks friend.

Then freddy continues with the whole "don't be supprised it Zorn is retained".

Then 12th has to convincingly agree.

Then someone has to throw the aged old Blache in the mix for HC.

Thanks. Appreciate it. Better yet why hasn't someone mentioned Fassel? Definitly send me over the edge. :)[/quote]

If Wade Phillips is let go we should go after him:laughing2

Re: Our next coach??
 

[quote=Paintrain;630120]A Shanahan/Cutler reunion could happen in Chicago if they continue to slide. I'm wondering at this point if the fan base will be more excited by a name coach or by an unknown but well respected GM. I think as long as the Vinny/Zorn show mercifully ends we will all be happier.[/quote]

Probably more likely that you'll see someone like Leslie Frazier take over as head coach in Chicago, and maybe someone like Jeremy Bates reunites with Cutler to be OC. With the amount of money they are paying Lovie Smith over the next two years it'd be tough for them to pay Smith and Shanahan

Re: Our next coach??
 

what about Jim Fassel, werent they looking at him once before?

Re: Our next coach??
 

[quote=Darrell_Green_28;630341]what about Jim Fassel, werent they looking at him once before?[/quote]

Twice before

Re: Our next coach??
 

Holmgren, Holmgren, Holmgren, come on guys, Holmgren, Holmgren...

Re: Our next coach??
 

[quote=WaldSkins;630338]If Wade Phillips is let go we should go after him:laughing2[/quote]

LOL, you guys are killing me.

I actually wouldn't mind that ....so long as he's signed on to be the coordinator. I actually think he's a decent coordinator he just sucks as a HC.

Wouldn't it be hillarious if everyone just played round robin with the HC's.

Re: Our next coach??
 

Personally I would like someone thats tough and established while not wanting to much power when it comes to making personnel decisions. Right now I think the Gruden/Allen combo would be our best bet, thats assuming of course that Gruden has an out clause.

Re: Our next coach??
 

[quote=SBXVII;630323]Ya know what you all are pissing me off, raining on my parade! Did you all plan this?

First off was Matty (:) ) with his Shottenheimer won't be coming back. Then when I come back I see Matty pointing out that Marty has no wish to be a GM or HC ever again. Thanks friend.

Then freddy continues with the whole "don't be supprised it Zorn is retained".

Then 12th has to convincingly agree.

Then someone has to throw the aged old Blache in the mix for HC.

Thanks. Appreciate it. Better yet why hasn't someone mentioned Fassel? Definitly send me over the edge. :)[/quote]
Whoo!!? I know in the formentioned situation, That I'm loading up my gun and about to eat lead sushi..

Re: Our next coach??
 

It [I]has[/I] to be Russ Grimm. The planets are aligning. This is his destiny.

Redskins history aside, here's his official title with the Arizona Cardinals: "Asst. Head Coach/Running Game Coordinator/Offensive Line."

Perfect, right? Especially considering all those new O-lineman we're gonna have next season. Especially considering the only way we seem to win is when we run the ball. Especially considering Cowher may take the helm in Dallas. Read Grimm's full bio on the Cards' website. Tell me it's not perfect.

I know a lot of people are jaded with coordinators, but we can't keep retreading old coaches. Does anyone on the list of available former HCs inspire total confidence? To me only Cowher is acceptable, but a previous post mentioning his desire to "coach a warm weather team" totally turns me off. I don't want somebody who misses coaching and wants to pick up a few more wins before retiring again. I want somebody who wants THE WASHINGTON REDSKINS to be winners. I want somebody who, when the poop hits the fan (and a rookie O-lineman blocks the wrong guy), [B]doesn't feel buyer's remorse for coming off the golf course[/B], I want somebody who gets [B]PISSED OFF[/B].

It HAS to be Russ Grimm.
[B]
My 2010 Head Coach Checklist[/B]

RUSS GRIMM
-- NOT previously fired: CHECK
-- NOT coming out of retirement: CHECK
-- NOT inexperienced: CHECK
-- Previous ties to Redskins organization: CHECK
-- Able to physically intimidate front office: CHECK
-- Confirmed badass: CHECK (x2)
-- Super Bowl rings: CHECK (x4)
-- Run/O-line-oriented: CHECK (x1 billion)

Ladies and gentlemen, I humbly submit my nominee for the new head coach of the Washington Redskins, the distinguished gentleman from Western Pennsylvania, Mr. Russ Grimm.

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[quote=Zorn on the 4th of July;630412]It [I]has[/I] to be Russ Grimm. The planets are aligning. This is his destiny.

Redskins history aside, here's his official title with the Arizona Cardinals: "Asst. Head Coach/Running Game Coordinator/Offensive Line."

Perfect, right? Especially considering all those new O-lineman we're gonna have next season. Especially considering the only way we seem to win is when we run the ball. Especially considering Cowher may take the helm in Dallas. Read Grimm's full bio on the Cards' website. Tell me it's not perfect.

I know a lot of people are jaded with coordinators, but we can't keep retreading old coaches. Does anyone on the list of available former HCs inspire total confidence? To me only Cowher is acceptable, but a previous post mentioning his desire to "coach a warm weather team" totally turns me off. I don't want somebody who misses coaching and wants to pick up a few more wins before retiring again. I want somebody who wants THE WASHINGTON REDSKINS to be winners. I want somebody who, when the poop hits the fan (and a rookie O-lineman blocks the wrong guy), [B]doesn't feel buyer's remorse for coming off the golf course[/B], I want somebody who gets [B]PISSED OFF[/B].

It HAS to be Russ Grimm.
[B]
My 2010 Head Coach Checklist[/B]

RUSS GRIMM
-- NOT previously fired: CHECK
-- NOT coming out of retirement: CHECK
-- NOT inexperienced: CHECK
-- Previous ties to Redskins organization: CHECK
-- Able to physically intimidate front office: CHECK
-- Confirmed badass: CHECK (x2)
-- Super Bowl rings: CHECK (x4)
-- Run/O-line-oriented: CHECK (x1 billion)

Ladies and gentlemen, I humbly submit my nominee for the new head coach of the Washington Redskins, the distinguished gentleman from Western Pennsylvania, Mr. Russ Grimm.[/quote]

Damn brother. Way to bring the meat on your 17th post here on the Warpath. Fantastic post.

You sold me for sure. I've always liked Russ Grimm obviously, but never really had his credentials laid out for me like that. I'm on board with him as our next coach.

Re: Our next coach??
 

[quote=Dirtbag359;630408]Personally I would like someone thats tough and established while not wanting to much power when it comes to making personnel decisions. Right now I think the Gruden/Allen combo would be our best bet, thats assuming of course that Gruden has an out clause.[/quote]

Don't hold your breath on that one

Re: Our next coach??
 

What about Grimm's lack of playcalling experience? After Zorn, this doesn't concern people?

Re: Our next coach??
 

[quote=Zorn on the 4th of July;630412]It [I]has[/I] to be Russ Grimm. The planets are aligning. This is his destiny.

Redskins history aside, here's his official title with the Arizona Cardinals: "Asst. Head Coach/Running Game Coordinator/Offensive Line."

Perfect, right? Especially considering all those new O-lineman we're gonna have next season. Especially considering the only way we seem to win is when we run the ball. Especially considering Cowher may take the helm in Dallas. Read Grimm's full bio on the Cards' website. Tell me it's not perfect.

I know a lot of people are jaded with coordinators, but we can't keep retreading old coaches. Does anyone on the list of available former HCs inspire total confidence? To me only Cowher is acceptable, but a previous post mentioning his desire to "coach a warm weather team" totally turns me off. I don't want somebody who misses coaching and wants to pick up a few more wins before retiring again. I want somebody who wants THE WASHINGTON REDSKINS to be winners. I want somebody who, when the poop hits the fan (and a rookie O-lineman blocks the wrong guy), [B]doesn't feel buyer's remorse for coming off the golf course[/B], I want somebody who gets [B]PISSED OFF[/B].

It HAS to be Russ Grimm.
[B]
My 2010 Head Coach Checklist[/B]

RUSS GRIMM
-- NOT previously fired: CHECK
-- NOT coming out of retirement: CHECK
-- NOT inexperienced: CHECK
-- Previous ties to Redskins organization: CHECK
-- Able to physically intimidate front office: CHECK
-- Confirmed badass: CHECK (x2)
-- Super Bowl rings: CHECK (x4)
-- Run/O-line-oriented: CHECK (x1 billion)

Ladies and gentlemen, I humbly submit my nominee for the new head coach of the Washington Redskins, the distinguished gentleman from Western Pennsylvania, Mr. Russ Grimm.[/quote]I like your passion, but Grimm is Zorn. He's never been seriously considered for any head coaching jobs, has never been playcaller, is in his mid-fifties and is a successful position coach but not much more. There's nothing about him, other than former Redskin, that should make him a more attractive candidate than about 20 guys out there.

Re: Our next coach??
 

[quote=sportscurmudgeon;622950]Russ Grimm has never won a Super Bowl as a coach. If you open up possibilities to players who have won a Super Bowl, you run the SERIOUS risk of getting a head coach who has never been a head coach before.

Does that sound familiar?

Coaches who have Super Bowl rings and are "out there" include:[INDENT]Bill Cowher
Mike Shanahan
Mike Holmgren
Jon Gruden
Dick Vermeil
Brian Billick
Tony Dungy
Bill Parcells
George Seifert
[/INDENT]Looking at that list, I'd guess Gruden, Billick and Seifert are the "most available"...[/quote]


Seifert??? NO WAY..dont you remember the debacle he was in Carolina. I think Blache would be better than Seifert.

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[quote=#56fanatic;630421]Seifert??? NO WAY..dont you remember the debacle he was in Carolina. I think Blache would be better than Seifert.[/quote]

Is he even alive? Can anyone find him? I don't think he's talked to anyone since he left carolina.