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ESPN 980 is reporting same. Bruce Allen is the man

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[quote=SmootSmack;641061]First person I thought of was you when I heard about Allen. I honestly didn't think it would happen. I heard earlier this week the following a) Cerrato was offered the chance to remain part of the organization but was told he would no longer be in charge of football operations. I got the impression he was going to accept that b) Either Scott Campbell would be promoted to GM or Bruce Allen would be named GM c) if it was Campbell expect the Cowher rumors (as President/HC) to get serious and a fall-back option was to go after Brian Schottenheimer d) [B]if it was Allen expect the Shanahan rumors to almost certainly be a lock (again as President/GM) [/B]e) it was leaning toward Campbell[/quote]

Huh???
So what is Allen's role then?

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[quote=FRPLG;641055]wrong thread[/quote]

My bad, thought I was in the other thread

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[quote=GMScud;641067]The text I just got from the Redskins says Allen will replace Cerrato as "team VP." Can we please just call him GM?[/quote]

From what SS is saying, the GM role could still go to Shanahan

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Gruden!!

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[quote=SmootSmack;641061]First person I thought of was you when I heard about Allen. I honestly didn't think it would happen. I heard earlier this week the following a) Cerrato was offered the chance to remain part of the organization but was told he would no longer be in charge of football operations. I got the impression he was going to accept that b) Either Scott Campbell would be promoted to GM or Bruce Allen would be named GM c) if it was Campbell expect the Cowher rumors (as President/HC) to get serious and a fall-back option was to go after Brian Schottenheimer d) if it was Allen expect the Shanahan rumors to almost certainly be a lock (again as President/GM) e) it was leaning toward Campbell[/quote]

That's funny...only way this could be more perfect for me is if Gruden had not signed that new contract with your ESPN boys or if there was a way out of it. So you think Allen as VP & GM increases the chances of landing Shanahan? I was thinking that it would lower the chances since Shanahan would report to Allen unless they gave Shanahan the President title I guess.

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[quote=celts32;641082]That's funny...only way this could be more perfect for me is if Gruden had not signed that new contract with your ESPN boys or if there was a way out of it. So you think Allen as VP & GM increases the chances of landing Shanahan? I was thinking that it would lower the chances since Shanahan would report to Allen unless they gave Shanahan the President title I guess.[/quote]

Let's all clear this up...there's no way in hell Gruden's contract precludes him from taking a football job. Not in any obstructive way.

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[quote=Mattyk72;641075]From what SS is saying, the GM role could still go to Shanahan[/quote]

We may not hire someone with the title of GM...we haven't had one. So Allen could be Vinny's direct replacement in job duties? With Shanny as the head coach with some input in the personnel decisions?

I'd hope and expect that Allen and Shanahan would work TOGETHER as opposed to the HC trying to control the team completely. That usually doesn't end well, but I'd have more faith in Shanahan than Holmgren to succeed in the dual role.

With this speculation, I'd still love to get Gruden despite his ESPN contract.

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Smoot, if Allen is GM, why does that make Shanahan almost a lock? I thought Shanahan would want total control.

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A good article on Bruce Allen in Tampa
[url=http://www.tampabay.com/sports/football/bucs/article968391.ece]The Bruce Allen era as general manager of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers - St. Petersburg Times[/url]

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So by hiring Allen, are we rebuilding and starting over. JC may possibly have to learn a brand new O?

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[quote=Buster;641086]We may not hire someone with the title of GM...we haven't had one. So Allen could be Vinny's direct replacement in job duties? With Shanny as the head coach with some input in the personnel decisions?

[B]I'd hope and expect that Allen and Shanahan would work TOGETHER[/B] as opposed to the HC trying to control the team completely. That usually doesn't end well, but I'd have more faith in Shanahan than Holmgren to succeed in the dual role.

With this speculation, I'd still love to get Gruden despite his ESPN contract.[/quote]

This is the reason why I would want Gruden instead of Shanahan. Allen and Chucky have worked together before.

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[quote=Mattyk72;641075]From what SS is saying, the GM role could still go to Shanahan[/quote]

I was listening to ESPN980 and they were saying that Allen was being named VP & GM.

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[quote=FRPLG;641085]Let's all clear this up...there's no way in hell Gruden's contract precludes him from taking a football job. Not in any obstructive way.[/quote]

Well...it would be really difficult next season. Not impossible but difficult. Crazy how we have a Monday Night game coming up

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[quote=FRPLG;641085]Let's all clear this up...there's no way in hell Gruden's contract precludes him from taking a football job. Not in any obstructive way.[/quote]

From what I heard Schefter a few weeks back his contract would make it difficult to leave ESPN right away, but not impossible. At that time Schefter said the chances of Gruden coming back for 2010 was "less than zero".

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[quote=Jamaican'Skin;641089]So by hiring Allen, are we rebuilding and starting over. JC may possibly have to learn a brand new O?[/quote]

No. All of the candidates for HC all run the same west coast offense. They might have a wrinkle or two slight difference, but the terminology is all the same. It will be easy for Campbell.

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[quote=skinsfan69;641059]I agree but he was fired for not being able to communicate with the players. When he was let go I remember very well that a lot of the players did not have nice things to say about him. That does concern me a little bit.[/quote]

This doesn't concern me. A coach that really pushes players and holds them accountable won't be everyone's best friend.

Look at Zorn and the players' relationship with him. He's their buddy, they DO support him and play hard for him, yet he doesn't make the tough and necessary decisions with the team. If Gruden were the coach, there's no way Randel El would be given a countless number of chances to repeat failure and Landry wouldn't be allowed to relax so many times on coverage without long-term and tough repercussions.

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Can we clarify what Allen's title is? I'm seeing VP, and also VP/GM.

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[quote=Mattyk72;641099]Can we clarify what Allen's title is? I'm seeing VP, and also VP/GM.[/quote]

ESPN 980 said VP/GM and WaPost:

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/report-allen-to-take-over-reds.html]Redskins Insider - Report: Bruce Allen to take control of Redskins[/url]

[quote]Bruce Allen, the son of former Redskins coach George Allen, will be the new [B]executive vice president of football operations and general manager[/B] of the Washington Redskins, according to readio station ESPN 980.[/quote]

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[quote=SmootSmack;641093]Well...it would be really difficult next season. Not impossible but difficult. Crazy how we have a Monday Night game coming up[/quote]

By difficult I assume you mean a large buyout...in that case if Allen wants Gruden and Gruden wants to work with Allen again then the Redskins could pay off ESPN to get Gruden out if they really want him.

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[quote=celts32;641092]I was listening to ESPN980 and they were saying that Allen was being named VP & GM.[/quote]

VP also? Interesting. Doesn't preclude Shanahan or some other big-name from being President I suppose.

I guess one other option is one more year with Zorn, his contract ends and then you go after someone in 2011?

A lot going on. A lot

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FUCK YES!


heard the news about cerrato on the radio en route to work. after a couple minutes of celebration i pulled off on the shoulder and set up the gameday flags. i got a honk of approval before i even got back into the cab! ahahaha.

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The timing of this (Skins on MNF) has the Snyder splash all over it.
I can hear the MNF crew talking 3/4 of the time about the Redskins.
Danny loves that.
I like Allen as VP, but he is not my top choice for GM. Being the son of George Allen does not make him a football man. I am not sure he is the exceptional and experienced talent evaluator I would want running our drafts and player acquisitions.
Getting rid of Vinny is more thatn I can ask for.
I wonder if Vinny has a job lined up with ND?

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Jay Glazer in 15 minutes on 106.7

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I'd say its a great day but...I just recieved an alert chris henry has died...:(

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Lol WTF is happening???? Is gruden our guy?

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[quote=SmootSmack;641103]VP also? Interesting. Doesn't preclude Shanahan or some other big-name from being President I suppose.

I guess one other option is one more year with Zorn, his contract ends and then you go after someone in 2011?

A lot going on. A lot[/quote]

I can't see Snyder doing this now to turn around and bring Zorn back for another year. Although if they can't land Gruden or Shanahan I wouldn't be opposed to it either.

This is probably not the thread to discuss it but i think Greg Blache is a bigger problem then Zorn. Our defense is no where near good enough for the cap dollars we spend on it. This defense was supposed to be dominant and it's anything but. Just saying...I am not trying to hyjack the thread.

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Decided to do a little reading on Allen's resume as a refersher. I'm impressed.


[URL="http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/glazer"]Cerrato out as Redskins boss - NFL News - FOX Sports on MSN[/URL]
[quote]Vinny Cerrato is out in Washington and the Redskins are turning to a name that has been largely under the radar but will keep it in the family.

The Washington Redskins announced Thursday that Cerrato has stepped down as executive vice president of football operations.

Redskins coaches were told the team is now in talks with former Bucs and Raiders head honcho Bruce Allen to replace Cerrato, FOXSports.com has learned.

It is unclear what job title Allen will be given if they lock him up, but his brother George Jr. is a big player already in Washington, D.C. Their father was legendary coach George Allen.

It’s unclear who the team interviewed to satisfy the Rooney Rule or if such an interview has taken place yet. They cannot hire Allen until a minority candidate is interviewed for the position.

Cerrato has long been team owner Daniel Snyder’s right-hand man but has been highly criticized within league circles. It was widely assumed that whomever Snyder wanted to rescue his team would want Cerrato out.

Cerrato had held his VP responsibilities for the past two years, and previously served in five different roles beginning in 1999.

In a statement, Cerrato said he has had conversations with Snyder recently regarding the next steps for the club.

“We agreed that the franchise needs someone different in this position,” Cerrato said in a statement released by the team. “I’m thankful to Dan Snyder and other members of his ownership team for the opportunities I’ve been given over the years.”

If they lock up Allen, an entirely new questuion arises regarding Jon Gruden. Allen and Gruden worked together with the Raiders and Bucs. Though Gruden has re-upped with ESPN, there is a strong connection between the two.

Mike Shanahan's name has long been strongly linked to that coaching job. [/quote]
[URL="http://www.sptimes.com/2007/12/18/Sports/Time_to_give_Allen_cr.shtml"]Sports: Time to give Allen credit[/URL]
[quote][B]Time to give Allen credit[/B][INDENT][B]Bruce Allen, along with Jon Gruden, deserves plenty of credit for the Bucs huge turnaround
[/B]

[/INDENT]By John Romano
Published December 18, 2007


[IMG]http://www.sptimes.com/2007/12/18/images/tb_bruce_300.jpg[/IMG] [RIGHT] [Brendan Fitterer | Times][/RIGHT]
Bucs general manager Bruce Allen has overseen a turnover of 22 players since the end of last season.
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TAMPA - In another place, they would be talking of his genius. They would howl about the sack master he found working the door at Best Buy and the kick returner he pulled out of nowhere.


In another time, they would be talking of his nerve. They would wonder how he could possibly fathom the rebuilding of a franchise by signing a 37-year-old quarterback and a 34-year-old defensive end.
In another situation, they would be lining up to buy him drinks.


Yet, here, we joke about him making the coffee.


Such is the life of Bruce Allen, the theoretical general manager. Be it happenstance or design, Allen is not receiving the praise commonly due a front office executive who presides over a team's rise from last place to first.


Free agents. Trades. Draft picks. All have Allen's fingerprints, yet none seem to stick to him. At least, none of the ones that work.


Until now, he was the man who brought you Charlie Garner. The GM who signed the twin turnstiles that were Todd Steussie and Derrick Deese. The villain who chased John Lynch from your sight.


Yet, now that the Buccaneers have won their second division title in three seasons, it might be worth reconsidering Allen's value as a general manager. As in, maybe he has more than you realized.


"Bruce has done an outstanding job," Jon Gruden said Monday. "I've got a lot of confidence and respect for him."


Of course, Gruden is a large part of Allen's image problem. Maybe not intentionally. And maybe not consciously. But the Bucs head coach casts an enormous shadow, which frequently leaves Allen in the cold.


The perception is Gruden calls the shots and Allen does his bidding. The coach did not leap at a chance to dispute that characterization Monday, but the reality resides a little deeper.


The philosophy in the Bucs front office is Gruden and defensive coordinator Monte Kiffin know the type of players needed to fit game plans and schemes, and so the coaching staff should have a strong input on personnel decisions.


Gruden had a long-running infatuation with Jeff Garcia -so the front office signed him. Gruden was a big fan of Kevin Carter's - so the front office signed him. Gruden clashed with several receivers - and now they're all gone.


"Bruce does a great job of sitting down with Jon and spending X amount of time and then walking out of the room and explaining to us exactly what he's looking for," said Mark Dominik, director of pro personnel. "It works because of how strong their relationship is and how well they work together.


"Bruce has no problem disagreeing with Jon, and in the end they always come to a good agreement."


The book on Allen was that he was an administrator. A contract negotiator and a salary cap manipulator. His background leaned heavily toward the executive side and not so much on the nuts and bolts of scouting.


It is a resume that should sound familiar, for it is not so different from the man he replaced. Like Allen, former Bucs GM Rich McKay is the son of a Hall of Fame coach. Like Allen, he made his name on the business side of the sport. Like Allen, his greatest success came with Gruden on the sideline.


So why is McKay considered a strong talent evaluator, while Allen is portrayed as a paper pusher?


One factor is the way they handle media chores. McKay is likable and mostly accessible. Allen is condescending and usually unavailable. Fair or not, it colors their coverage.


Think of it this way:
What if another GM had accomplished what Allen had this season? What if another GM signed Greg White out of the Arena Football League? What if another GM plugged Donald Penn in at left tackle or Jovan Haye at defensive tackle? What if another GM had the NFL's youngest offensive line protecting one of the league's oldest quarterbacks?


If we're being honest, that GM would be hailed as a miracle worker.


Tampa Bay's turnaround from last season is a credit to Gruden's skills. It is a testament to Garcia's talent at quarterback. It is, in part, a function of good fortune.


But the time has come to acknowledge that it is also a product of Allen and the rest of the front office.


The typical turnover on a 53-man roster is about 13 or 14 players a year. When the Bucs clinched the NFC South on Sunday, they had 22 players who were not on the active roster last season.


Taking it a little further, 10 of their 22 starters were acquired in the past 14 months. That's an astounding amount of turnover for a team that just clinched a division title. And the Bucs did it without overextending themselves on the free-agent market or coming close to filling up their salary cap.


In other words, the general manager did his job.


And did it better than most.
[/quote]


Won Executive of the Year award with RAIDERS/Al Davis!
[URL="http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P3-318950941.html"]Article: TSN NFL Executive of the Year: Bruce Allen, Raiders - Sporting News | HighBeam Research - FREE trial[/URL]

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Allen's skill set is more on the business/contracts side of things. He's not really know for being an astute personnel guy around the league

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[quote=Defensewins;641109]The timing of this (Skins on MNF) has the Snyder splash all over it.
I can hear the MNF crew talking 3/4 of the time about the Redskins.
Danny loves that.
I like Allen as VP, but he is not my top choice for GM. [B]Being the son of George Allen does not make him a football man.[/B] I am not sure he is the exceptional and experienced talent evaluator I would want running our drafts and player acquisitions.
Getting rid of Vinny is more thatn I can ask for.
I wonder if Vinny has a job lined up with ND?[/quote]

I think being the GM of a team that went to the Super Bowl (and winning one) is a good start. And I believe he had a good record when he was in Oakland.

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[quote=SmootSmack;641119]Allen's skill set is more on the business/contracts side of things. He's not really know for being an astute personnel guy around the league[/quote]

That's what I always thought.

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[quote=Defensewins;641109]The timing of this (Skins on MNF) has the Snyder splash all over it.
I can hear the MNF crew talking 3/4 of the time about the Redskins.
Danny loves that.
I like Allen as VP, but he is not my top choice for GM. [B]Being the son of George Allen does not make him a football man.[/B] I am not sure he is the exceptional and experienced talent evaluator I would want running our drafts and player acquisitions.
Getting rid of Vinny is more thatn I can ask for.
I wonder if Vinny has a job lined up with ND?[/quote]

You're right, but his track record of success does.

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[quote=SmootSmack;641119]Allen's skill set is more on the business/contracts side of things. He's not really know for being an astute personnel guy around the league[/quote]

This may indicate Shanahan being hired then, as opposed to Gruden.

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This has Tony Dungy written all over it!

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[quote=luvthemskins1975;641125]This has Tony Dungy written all over it![/quote]

Did not consider that possibility, but I love it. :D

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Ding, dong, the witch is dead.

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[quote=SmootSmack;641119]Allen's skill set is more on the business/contracts side of things. He's not really know for being an astute personnel guy around the league[/quote]

So who was in charge of personel in Oakland and Tampa when gruden & Allen worked together? Was there another key scout that they had in both places or was Gruden very involved in personel? I always thought Gruden was strictly a coach.

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Gruden has always had a heavy say in personnel from what I understand. At least in Tampa.

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[quote=SC Skins Fan;641127]Ding, dong, the witch is dead.[/quote]

More like Ding, Dong, the Sarge is dead. LOL.

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[quote=jamf;641053]I'm glad they brought someone in early.
They have an opportunity to study the players they currently have before moving on to the draft.

3 Games Left, Let players start earning roster spots for next year and figure out who can be let go.[/quote]

It also alows us to be able to concentrate more on the guy coming as opposed to the guy going out. The focus can be shifted towards moving foreward.