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Great, another 2 years before we get a contender

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[quote=HolyLandSkinsFan;642373]I agree. I think Zorn should get another year with a working offensive line and david and cooley in at the same time.

BUT, if Shanahan is willing to come on now then a proven coach is always better than an unproven one.

However, as Zorn has proven to be a true man working through a very hard situation - I would suggest that Zorn stay on as offensive coordinator/QB coach with shanahan as head coach and play caller.

I think Zorn is a proven QB coach and ready for the step as offensive coordinator - which is a promotion. Zorn only got the job because the real coaches available refused to work with Vinny. Keeping Zorn and Campell and the Z-man West coast in place and having Shanahan come in and add his wrinkles would be a good move.

My question is - one: can Shanahan win without Elway and 2: all those 4th quarter comebacks - you know the air is thinner in mile high so teams not accustomed to the low oxygen got tired faster. Shanahan won't have that in DC.

I also wonder what happens to portis? he has a history with Shanahan...[/quote]


Honestly You can't take those 2 SB's away from Shanny just bcuz Elway.. He built a great team around Elway.. Remember John never won a SB until Shanahan was there.. As far as CP... He would be gone regardless, I doubt he wants to play in DC anymore.. I will be very interested in JC, If I were a betting man I would say Shanny will bring in another QB, Via the Draft. If so we still need a veteran QB and I think JC is Solid.. Also if I remember right, he had some teams that ran a 3-4 Defense... Alot of questions to be answered.

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[quote=rbanerjee23;642379]Great, another 2 years before we get a contender[/quote]

Maybe but not necessarily true, look at when Wade took over Dallas, or when Turner took over SD..

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Those of you that think that Zorn should stay or will be a good coach elsewhere are morons. Do any of you remember what the offense was like when he was calling plays?

And I don't understand at all why anyone would not want Shanahan. Who do you want then?

Snyder finally makes some smart decisions and people still bitch? I think you all are just looking for something to be pissed about.

I like Zorn and feel bad for how his situation has been handled, but he will never be a good head coach and probably will never get the opportunity again after the shitfest in DC.

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Honestly even though I don't entirely think this could happen, it's still interesting. What if Shanny keeps Portis next year knowing the history those two had for the first two seasons of Portis' career? Any chance Shanny decides to keep Portis, get a nice backup RB, and then focus on other areas?

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[quote=12thMan;642279]He may very well come here and pull a Jon Gruden[/quote]

Pull a Gruden? You mean like win a superbowl? Have lots of winning seasons? Have a winning career W/L record? Win with a team that was Cap strangled for a terrible ownership group? Still manage for many years to be considered a top playoff contender, that no one wanted to face (least of all the Redskins)? Get fired after a 9-7 season full of close losses? Watch his ex-team under a new coach/GM one season later be a bottom feeder wrestling in the muck with the Rams for the first pick in the draft? 9-7 (they could have been 12-4 pretty easy) to 1-12...

I submit that you and I will be doing backflips if the next Skins coach "pulls a Gruden"

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[quote=CrackBack;642397]Those of you that think that Zorn should stay or will be a good coach elsewhere are morons. Do any of you remember what the offense was like when he was calling plays?

And I don't understand at all why anyone would not want Shanahan. Who do you want then?

Snyder finally makes some smart decisions and people still bitch? I think you all are just looking for something to be pissed about.

I like Zorn and feel bad for how his situation has been handled, but he will never be a good head coach and probably will never get the opportunity again after the shitfest in DC.[/quote]

There's no reason to think Zorn can't ever be a good coach, just because he's not having success here

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[quote=Longtimefan;642365]It's total and absolute disrespect, and not just by Snyder, there are others involved. I give Zorn credit for being a real stand-up guy, if he weren't maybe he would do just what you said.[/quote]

I remember Shanahan was in a similar, but not identical, situation back in the mid-1990s when the Niners were trying to move Seifert out and name Shanahan the head coach. Even though the Niners were on their way to the SB. Difference is Shanahan was on the staff at the time

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[quote=Paintrain;642293]Who do you think traded him to us?[/quote]

Trade.... thats a mild way to put it... more like Bent Cerrato over with a sand-paper jimmy hat.

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[quote=SBXVII;642372]Just like I heard people saying JGibbs1 started out bad, and the owner stayed with him and he won a few SB's for us. I loved the comparison when I heard it cause in reality there's no comparison. ....JGibbs1 went 0-5 re-evaluated his scheme and changed it to work with the players he had. That's the mark of a great HC. He ended 8-8. The following year he had a better season he didn't get worse.

Zorn went 6-2 and then went 2-6 to end up 8-8. He got worse the second half of the year. Most likely due to injuries. If so one would think come this season with everyone healthy he starts out great but we didn't. He got worse.

It took Sherm Lewis to come in and fix what Zorn could not over a 16 game span. I took Sherm Lewis 3 games to get the Skins scoring over 30 points. If Zorn stays he needs to go back to what he does best....coach QB's. Will he take a demotion? I'm betting not. I would love for him to stay, take the demotion, and keep his pay he has now since we will be paying him anyway unless he resigns. Speaking of because he is still under contract for one more year could DS tell Zorn he is demoting him to QB coach? I would imagine Zorn would say no way and resign but if he didn't we would have a good QB coach.

I personally think Holmgren is going to take the Browns job and probably take Zorn with him in some type of capacity to help train him for he future. Just my personal feeling.[/quote]

There were not many who found a great deal of fault in Zorn when his record was 6-2. You stay in or fall out of favor through your won and loss record. I agree with skinsfan69, you win with palyers not coaches. It too easy to lay the blame for losing on one person, if it were that simple it would be oh so easy to fix.

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[quote=Beemnseven;642300]Exactly. And couldn't it be that Cutler's performance has suffered due to Shanahan's departure?[/quote]

Could it have anything to do with "having to learn a new system" (Campbell excuse #1)

Maybe but it surely has something to do with having a CORNER BACK converted to WR and a Kick returner, as his main Tagets outside the TE.

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[quote=Longtimefan;642407]There were not many who found a great deal of fault in Zorn when his record was 6-2. You stay in or fall out of favor through your won and loss record. I agree with skinsfan69, you win with palyers not coaches. It too easy to lay the blame for losing on one person,[B] if it were that simple it would be oh so easy to fix.[/[/B]quote]

Um, It was. I pointed it out. Sherm Lewis came in and watched for one game then had us scoring over 20 points for 2 games the has had us scoring over 30 points the last 2 games. Your right ...you are what your record says you are, and Zorn has shown he could not fix the problem, he could not re-evaluate his scheme to his players abilities, to him it was all about the players not "executing" his plays or game plan right. It's pretty obvious who solved the riddle of how to get the team playing like they are now.

I'm just supprised at all the love of wanting everyone to keep him as HC when he's proven not to get the job done. I heard on the radio the other day that Sherm Lewis is actually calling the run plays to to an extent. He calls the pass plays and when he wants a run play he calls down to Sherm Smith and tells him what type of run play he wants sent in. Basically calling a type of run play that gives JC an option out of if the defense picks up that its a run and gives JC another option...a pass play. I keep hearing how Zorn's plays were limited to simply running the play sent in. Without an option a lot of the plays didn't go anywhere. Now why would it take someone outside of the team to figure this out and fix the problem? Why couldn't Zorn figure this out? I like Zorn and hope if he doesn't work out here perhaps as QB coach (which I doubt happens) he gets another job elsewhere. I think he's a great QB coach.

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[quote=SBXVII;642419][quote=Longtimefan;642407]There were not many who found a great deal of fault in Zorn when his record was 6-2. You stay in or fall out of favor through your won and loss record. I agree with skinsfan69, you win with palyers not coaches. It too easy to lay the blame for losing on one person,[B] if it were that simple it would be oh so easy to fix.[/[/B]quote]

Um, It was. I pointed it out. Sherm Lewis came in and watched for one game then had us scoring over 20 points for 2 games the has had us scoring over 30 points the last 2 games. Your right ...you are what your record says you are, and Zorn has shown he could not fix the problem, he could not re-evaluate his scheme to his players abilities, to him it was all about the players not "executing" his plays or game plan right. It's pretty obvious who solved the riddle of how to get the team playing like they are now.

I'm just supprised at all the love of wanting everyone to keep him as HC when he's proven not to get the job done. I heard on the radio the other day that Sherm Lewis is actually calling the run plays to to an extent. He calls the pass plays and when he wants a run play he calls down to Sherm Smith and tells him what type of run play he wants sent in. Basically calling a type of run play that gives JC an option out of if the defense picks up that its a run and gives JC another option...a pass play. I keep hearing how Zorn's plays were limited to simply running the play sent in. Without an option a lot of the plays didn't go anywhere. Now why would it take someone outside of the team to figure this out and fix the problem? Why couldn't Zorn figure this out? I like Zorn and hope if he doesn't work out here perhaps as QB coach (which I doubt happens) he gets another job elsewhere. I think he's a great QB coach.[/quote]

I have no problem with your assessment but keep in mind along with Sherman Lewis taking over the playcalling, other circumstances changed for the better as well. The line that had been in constant flux began to block better and the QB was not looking at the sky all the time for receiers.

If you're only going to give a rookie coach a year and a day to prove himself, then that's a coach you should not have hired in the first place. That's the best I can say in defense of Zorn. All the weaknesses you point out about Zorn, management should have known when they hired him, he's an inexperienced coach that has never even been a coordinator at any level. The question then becomes, what more could you expect except trial and error? The team cannot blame Zorn, they have only to look in the mirror.

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[quote=Longtimefan;642422][quote=SBXVII;642419]

I have no problem with your assessment but keep in mind along with Sherman Lewis taking over the playcalling, other circumstances changed for the better as well. The line that had been in constant flux began to block better and the QB was not looking at the sky all the time for receiers.

If you're only going to give a rookie coach a year and a day to prove himself, then that's a coach you should not have hired in the first place. That's the best I can say in defense of Zorn. All the weaknesses you point out about Zorn, management should have known when they hired him, he's an inexperienced coach that has never even been a coordinator at any level. The question then becomes, what more could you expect except trial and error? The team cannot blame Zorn, they have only to look in the mirror.[/quote]

Before Samuels went down in week 5, the O line was doing fine. What's the excuse for the poor play over the first 4 weeks, which included games against the Lions and Chiefs??? The O line excuse wasn't a valid excuse until after the Panthers game. Zorn? Portis? Campbell? All of the above?

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According to PFT another team has entered the shanahan race and it is a playoff team...I think old man potter (jerry jones) is up to no good...

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[quote=CrackBack;642397]Those of you that think that Zorn should stay or will be a good coach elsewhere are morons. Do any of you remember what the offense was like when he was calling plays?

And I don't understand at all why anyone would not want Shanahan. Who do you want then?

Snyder finally makes some smart decisions and people still bitch? I think you all are just looking for something to be pissed about.

I like Zorn and feel bad for how his situation has been handled, but he will never be a good head coach and probably will never get the opportunity again after the shitfest in DC.[/quote]

Some of the people here that have made a pitch for Zorn are very intelligent IMO. I have been reading their post for years and consider them very knowledgable. To label one a moron because they don't neccessarily agree with you makes one wonder just who the moron really is.

Never say never about the potential outcome of any situation. Zorn could go on to become a very good coach in this league. Unfortunately for him it's not likely to be with the Redskins.

No hard feelings, just wanted to point out the fact we don't appreciate being labled that way.

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[quote=44Deezel;642428][quote=Longtimefan;642422]

Before Samuels went down in week 5, the O line was doing fine. What's the excuse for the poor play over the first 4 weeks, which included games against the Lions and Chiefs??? The O line excuse wasn't a valid excuse until after the Panthers game. Zorn? Portis? Campbell? All of the above?[/quote]

The O-line was not doing fine from the time Randy Thomas went down, it was a mad scramble from that point on. And yes all the above are contributing factors as well.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;642430]According to PFT another team has entered the shanahan race and it is a playoff team...I think old man potter (jerry jones) is up to no good...[/quote]

Cowboys are a playoff team? They could wind up 8-8 if they're not careful.

Which would only mean Shanahan is more of a possibility.

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[quote=Beemnseven;642438]Cowboys are a playoff team? They could wind up 8-8 if they're not careful.

Which would only mean Shanahan is more of a possibility.[/quote]

The article says team in playoff contention, and they said the obvious guesses-Cowboys and Texans.

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[quote=SmootSmack;642439]The article says team in playoff contention, and they said the obvious guesses-Cowboys and Texans.[/quote]

If the Cowboys lure away Shanahan I would seriously be bummed out.

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[quote=Longtimefan;642432]Some of the people here that have made a pitch for Zorn are very intelligent IMO. I have been reading their post for years and consider them very knowledgable. To label one a moron because they don't neccessarily agree with you makes one wonder just who the moron really is.

Never say never about the potential outcome of any situation. Zorn could go on to become a very good coach in this league. Unfortunately for him it's not likely to be with the Redskins.

No hard feelings, just wanted to point out the fact we don't appreciate being labled that way.[/quote]

[quote=SmootSmack;642404]There's no reason to think Zorn can't ever be a good coach, just because he's not having success here[/quote]



You are both right that Zorn may be able to head a team somewhere else, and to call supporters morons is a little harsh. But look at what he has done. He has not moved this offense at all. And that is really what his specialty is. I don't think he has the game knowledge to lead a team strategically.

With that said. He has been able to take a team that has no reason to play and somehow motivate them to play with heart. It's a very strong accomplishment in my book. But to say that unfortunately he wont get a chance to coach in DC is strange to me. The man has been a failure here -- that is what is unfortunate.

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[quote=CrackBack;642446]You are both right that Zorn may be able to head a team somewhere else, and to call supporters morons is a little harsh. But look at what he has done. He has not moved this offense at all. And that is really what his specialty is. I don't think he has the game knowledge to lead a team strategically.

With that said. He has been able to take a team that has no reason to play and somehow motivate them to play with heart. It's a very strong accomplishment in my book. But to say that unfortunately he wont get a chance to coach in DC is strange to me. The man has been a failure here -- that is what is unfortunate.[/quote]

There is only one quality that Zorn has displayed that can possibly save his job. And that is leadership. IF he guides this team to wins over the Giants and Dallas, and Bruce Allen sees that it is his actions, not that he is just a part of this system but is actually leading and "guiding" 53 men together to victory, I think he could stay, with a new OC, etc. But I think he has to understand that it is a tenuous chance, and that the club needs to do due diligence in bringing a working FO and coaching structure to OUR team Danny boy lol.

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I am pulling hard for the Cowboys tonite so they dont get in the Shanahan sweepstakes.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;642459]I am pulling hard for the Cowboys tonite so they dont get in the Shanahan sweepstakes.[/quote]
~~~~~~~~
I can't ever bring myself to pull for the Cowboys.

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[quote=TheSmurfs22;642462]~~~~~~~~
I can't ever bring myself to pull for the Cowboys.[/quote]

Exactly!!

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IMO I say give Zorn another year with the same team he has right now staff and all atleast S.Lewis and see what unfolds. Before we jump on Shanahan. If it doesnt work out than we snagg Gruden from behind the booth.

Gruden has more respect for the history of the game than anyone else besides B.Belichick. I feel Gruden has more of pure love of the game than Shanahan. Shanahan comes of to me more like the money is more important than the game. Why has he kept quit all season, so he can make more money if he doesn't discuss the issues that went on in Denver. Thats the only reason he didnt take a braodcasting job, he didnt want to slip and say something that would viod his contract.

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[quote=TheSmurfs22;642462]~~~~~~~~
I can't ever bring myself to pull for the Cowboys.[/quote]

I could, I'd pull those stars right off there helmets.

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[quote=TheSmurfs22;642462]~~~~~~~~
I can't ever bring myself to pull for the Cowboys.[/quote]

Duck Fallas. I will NEVER pull for them. I'm hoping for an absolutely humiliating loss and love nothing more than seeing doughboy sad on the sidelines like a bloated blow fish.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;642459]I am pulling hard for the Cowboys tonite so they dont get in the Shanahan sweepstakes.[/quote]

Hope you aren't doing that next week as well.

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NEVER NEVER root for the cowgirls

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Well Iwant Shanahan and I am pulling hard I mean hard for Dallas.

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We should all pitch in and start a campaign in Dallas. We can have trucks drive around town which have signs which say, "Good Job Jerry" on one side and "Keep Wade" on the other side. We can also market "Keep Wade" t-shirts.

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Seriously, DS can outbid JJ, and JJ isnt gonna give Shanahan the control he wants, so even if the cowboys lose out (please God) we would still get Shanahan if that's who BA (and DS by proxy) wants.

Cowboys need to lose Always

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ESPN reported that Holmgren turned down a seattle offer to be in "senior management"

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[quote=CrackBack;642446]You are both right that Zorn may be able to head a team somewhere else, and to call supporters morons is a little harsh. But look at what he has done. He has not moved this offense at all. And that is really what his specialty is. I don't think he has the game knowledge to lead a team strategically.

With that said. He has been able to take a team that has no reason to play and somehow motivate them to play with heart. It's a very strong accomplishment in my book. But to say that unfortunately he wont get a chance to coach in DC is strange to me. The man has been a failure here -- that is what is unfortunate.[/quote]

Dude you are a dumbass for thinking that Zorn couldn't move the ball..no shit, he said that it would take 2-3 years for the players to get the system just like it took Holmgren 2 years to put it in, Shanahan 2 years all the way back to Bill Walsh. Just because Sherm Lewis has come in and the team is scoring more points, don't forget that the guy coaching the players is still Zorn...show some respect to a coach who has made the best of a very tough situation

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;642562]ESPN reported that Holmgren turned down a seattle offer to be in "senior management"[/quote]

Really? Wow. I'm surprised. I suppose he's off to Cleveland.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;642562]ESPN reported that Holmgren turned down a seattle offer to be in "senior management"[/quote]

He would have been team president with final say over personnel, so Cleveland must be giving him more money. I've thought Cleveland for a while, long before the job was even open, but once Seattle came into the picture that did seem to be the ideal fit for him. I still think Holmgren was a bit hurt that he actually had to interview with the Seahawks.

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[quote=Lotus;642669]Really? Wow. I'm surprised. I suppose he's off to Cleveland.[/quote]

Yeah, that's what I am thinking too. Unless BA has been amazed by Zorn, and made nice to Holmgren :) I jest

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[quote=SmootSmack;642679]He would have been team president with final say over personnel, so Cleveland must be giving him more money. I've thought Cleveland for a while, long before the job was even open, but once Seattle came into the picture that did seem to be the ideal fit for him. I still think Holmgren was a bit hurt that he actually had to interview with the Seahawks.[/quote]

Ironic, they take the job away from him when he's head coach only to offer it a few years later.

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[quote=SmootSmack;642679]He would have been team president with final say over personnel, so Cleveland must be giving him more money. I've thought Cleveland for a while, long before the job was even open, but once Seattle came into the picture that did seem to be the ideal fit for him. I still think Holmgren was a bit hurt that he actually had to interview with the Seahawks.[/quote]

i thought he didn't want to be on the west coast anymore anyways, plus imo the browns have more upside than the hawks as far a player personel