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AH played in some 3-4 looks as a Titan


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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;654129]Sure we could have done worse. You can always do worse. Shanahan could have hired Vinny Cerrato or matt Millen or Miss Piggy as defensive coordinator. If saying "we could have done worse" is satisfactory, then I think you and I have two entirely different levels of what is acceptable.

Rank Gray, Zimmer, Crennel, and Haslett (the candidates we know the skins had contact with) in order from best option to worst option. If Haslett is #1 or #2 on your list then you're not basing your opinion on the actual records of any of these men.

If I see signs that things are changing, i'll give them a chance. If I see history repeating itself, and that history is full of failure, i'm not going to stick my head in the sand and ignore whats happening. I WANT to give Snyder, Allen, Shanahan, and now Haslett the benefit of the doubt. But they've got to give me some real evidence that things are different. Up until now, they haven't. They might say all the right things about wanting to win, but so does every single owner, GM, and coach in this league. They all say the exact same things. Its actions that count. So far, the actions do not* look promising and i'm not going to delude myself just to have some temporary false excitement and hope.

* - Edited[/quote]
Once again you're assuming that we can get whoever we want. Zimmer and Crennel obviously didn't want to come here.. just like Cowher. That's a really strange way to base things.

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[quote=GhettoDogAllStars;654238]

Also, the whole idea about adjusting schemes to fit personnel is kinda bogus to me. What if you have a QB that can't throw for shit? You don't just run the ball all the time, you find a QB that can throw. In any case, our focus should be to implement the best schemes, and we should find players who fit those schemes. If we can't find them now, then we might not switch schemes immediately, but our long term goal should be to move towards those schemes which are most effective.[/quote]
lol you've got to be kidding

you can't rebuild your whole roster in a season, this isn't Madden

if you have a QB that can't throw certain balls well, you let him throw the ones that he can then you look into getting somebody who can

like I said, you can't get every player that fits the scheme perfectly overnight, so to not adjust based on what you have would be purely idiotic

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[quote=GhettoDogAllStars;654360]I agree that schemes should be tailored to match the players' talents, but I do not agree that the best coaches do not find players to fit their schemes (as you imply when you say, "Not the other way around.") Do you really believe the best coaches do not care about finding players to execute their schemes?[/quote]they're not exclusive of each other.. but you can only do so much in one year

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[quote=SmootSmack;654210]Do you think there's anyone on our team who is suited to play NT right now?[/quote]Well, there's this guy [URL="http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MontAn20.htm"]who used to play for us[/URL] back when it wasn't a requirement that you play your college ball in the SEC to play DT for the Redskins.

He's not an every down player, I don't think, but if you want to bring in a veteran to rotate at the position with him, he'll play well in the scheme.

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Since some have hi-jacked this thread into the Haynesworthy thread....I would like to say I am a bit unimpressed with Haslett, but I will support him and give him every chance to prove himself. The defense has a ton of good talent that was not nurtured and used correctly. I was not a big fan of Blache and his bend but dont break style. I particularly did not like how he handled his safety's and LB's, in particular how terrible they were at disguising the blitz.

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JLC just said on NFL Network that Haynesworth & Shanny might bump heads when it comes to the 3-4 defense.

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f*** Haynesworth, he needs to shut the hell up and be happy with his massive contract and play his fat ass off...on a lighter note, I'm pretty happy just to have someone established on the payroll as the defensive coordinator

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[quote=rbanerjee23;654433]f*** Haynesworth, he needs to shut the hell up and be happy with his massive contract and play his fat ass off...on a lighter note, I'm pretty happy just to have someone established on the payroll as the defensive coordinator[/quote]

I just don't get the hate. AH came and played as his previous years had shown he would. When we were stuffing the Giants in the first game on 3rd and 4th down, He was one of the main reasons.
I am glad to see alot of the staff coming together now, and maybe Shanahan will have the whole staff together in the next few days, that would be a good thing right off the bat.

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I just saw NFLN and here's a link to the video.
[url=http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-videos/09000d5d815b6886/Around-the-league]NFL Videos: Around the league[/url]

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I'm fine with Haslett. To me, he or Zimmer, or Crennel, (basically the other only guys I heard that were in the running) would have been fine too.

Apart from not wanting anyone from the current staff to stay, I didn't really have a favorite for D-coordinator.

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AH better get used to the words Nose Tackle. I do like the idea of RAK at OLB. I doubt Fletcher makes a good transition to the 3-4. if the Skins didnt need Oline so badly id say they should go after the ILB from Bama. McClain i believe is his name.
at this point any need adressed is an improvement. take the best available.

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oops, missed a D

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;654436]I just don't get the hate. AH came and played as his previous years had shown he would. When we were stuffing the Giants in the first game on 3rd and 4th down, He was one of the main reasons.
I am glad to see alot of the staff coming together now, and maybe Shanahan will have the whole staff together in the next few days, that would be a good thing right off the bat.[/quote]

Who cares. The Defense was worse this year than it was last year. The best teams in the league don't chase after the most expensive free agent each year. It never works. They could have spent that money on 4 players.

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big al needs to suck it up and do his job.

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44Deezel, i agree the d was worse. but dont hate on AH for doing his job, i would say hate the mindset thst leads to that type of contract. That is what everyone wants to see change.

The giants chose the get 4 for the price of one with canty, boley and a couple others all lesser talents than big al. how did that work out for them?

our d front line was better with big al, our back7 with hall instead of springs - not so much.

bottomline hopefully Haslett uses our players to their strength.



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I agree, for the $$ AH is pullin if the Skins ask him to play DB he'd better do it with a smile.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;654465]44Deezel, i agree the d was worse. but dont hate on AH for doing his job, i would say hate the mindset thst leads to that type of contract. That is what everyone wants to see change.

The giants chose the get 4 for the price of one with canty, boley and a couple others all lesser talents than big al. how did that work out for them?

our d front line was better with big al, our back7 with hall instead of springs - not so much.

bottomline hopefully Haslett uses our players to their strength.



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[quote=IRISHSKIN24;654055]as long as the D works, i could careless what scheme he runs.[/quote]

get ready to care.....we don't have the players for the 3-4

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The more I read into Haslett's career, Mike's history w/ coaches and our current defensive roster, I tend to believe Haslett won't be very successful and won't last long. Mike doesn't seem to know enough about defense to match a great defensive mind w/ best fit players. Typically he's bounced all over the place w/ one DC to the next, all the while playing the dominant role in drafting guys. Result: you don't get a consistent system defensive players grow into nor do you get defensive studs a great defensive mind can envision doing a certain number of things on the field.

For those who say Williams single-handedly turned NO into a dominant defense, I think Darren Sharper may wish to disagree. Without him Williams' defense is rather mediocre. The same goes when Ellis cannot be dominant in the middle. Somebody in NO was brilliant in bringing Sharper in (maybe it was Gregg). There's little evidence Haslett knows who he "needs" to make a great defense. There's even less evidence Mike knows what his DC needs to make it happen.

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[quote=Texanskin;654477]get ready to care.....we don't have the players for the 3-4[/quote]

yet, get ready for the draft and FA to fill some spots.

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[quote=Redskin Warrior;654432]JLC just said on NFL Network that Haynesworth & Shanny might bump heads when it comes to the 3-4 defense.[/quote]

Threaten to trade him to the Raiders. That should get him to go along with anything we want him to do, heck I think we could get Big Al to play CB with a threat to send him to Oakland.

Loosing $40 million for Snyder is like me loosing a $50 bill. Sure it sucks but I'll live and so will Snyder.

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yeah!?!? /confusion. I don't know, this is not anything but a wait and see, it could be a success, failure, or just average...in other words failure. Hopefully he knows how to utilize the talent...Haynesworth, Orakpo, Carter, Fletcher, Landry, Horton...the list goes on, if he can harness the ability of all the individuals then we should have a good defense going forward

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[quote=tryfuhl;654405]lol you've got to be kidding

you can't rebuild your whole roster in a season, this isn't Madden

if you have a QB that can't throw certain balls well, you let him throw the ones that he can then you look into getting somebody who can

like I said, you can't get every player that fits the scheme perfectly overnight, so to not adjust based on what you have would be purely idiotic[/quote]

Seems like you missed this part:
If we can't find them now, then we might not switch schemes immediately, but our long term goal should be to move towards those schemes which are most effective.

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[quote=tryfuhl;654406]they're not exclusive of each other.. but you can only do so much in one year[/quote]

I agree. Good thing we have more than 1 year. That's the main problem with the skins and its fans: impatience. Here I am making an argument about long-term philosophy and all you can think about is 1 year.

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Outside of looking at some relatively meaningless rankings does anyone have any real insight as to what Haslett brings to the table as DC? I'm kinda getting tired of hearing about how much he sucks without hearing any good reasons to back up that thinking.

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A little nugget from JC:

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/2009/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=4821645]NFL: Odds against run-oriented New York Jets and Baltimore Ravens in divisional round - ESPN[/url]

Q: Can you see the Redskins being a 3-4 defense? You said earlier this year that success in a 3-4 is dependent on finding a talented nose tackle -- well we have the best in Albert Haynesworth supposedly, and Brian Orakpo looks like he would succeed as a DeMarcus Ware-type 3-4 OLB. It seems like a natural move to me.

Christopher in Olney, Md.

A: That's why Shanahan hired Jim Haslett. He brings the 3-4 scheme from his days as defensive coordinator of the Pittsburgh Steelers. One of the first things Shanahan wanted to do was switch to a 3-4. Haslett talked with Shanahan throughout the season about joining his staff with an aggressive 3-4 scheme that features plenty of blitzes. Orakpo already has one season as a rushing linebacker in a 4-3. He shouldn't have any problem adjusting to a 3-4. It's a good fit.

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[quote=Mattyk;654679]A little nugget from JC:

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/2009/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=4821645]NFL: Odds against run-oriented New York Jets and Baltimore Ravens in divisional round - ESPN[/url]

Q: Can you see the Redskins being a 3-4 defense? You said earlier this year that success in a 3-4 is dependent on finding a talented nose tackle -- well we have the best in Albert Haynesworth supposedly, and Brian Orakpo looks like he would succeed as a DeMarcus Ware-type 3-4 OLB. It seems like a natural move to me.

Christopher in Olney, Md.

A: That's why Shanahan hired Jim Haslett. He brings the 3-4 scheme from his days as defensive coordinator of the Pittsburgh Steelers. One of the first things Shanahan wanted to do was switch to a 3-4. Haslett talked with Shanahan throughout the season about joining his staff with an aggressive 3-4 scheme that features plenty of blitzes. Orakpo already has one season as a rushing linebacker in a 4-3. He shouldn't have any problem adjusting to a 3-4. It's a good fit.[/quote]

Good post. I generally trust Clayton's judgment.

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Without Orakpo and Chris Wilson, we probably wouldn't have the personnel, but with them, it's not an issue.

NT Aubrayo Franklin is a UFA for San Francisco, and while I generally don't like to pay guys coming off career years, salary structure among DL players is so whacky it hardly matters. The highest payed player in the Eagles front seven is...Darren Howard.

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[quote=GTripp0012;654692][B]Without Orakpo and Chris Wilson, we probably wouldn't have the personnel, but with them, it's not an issue.[/B]

NT Aubrayo Franklin is a UFA for San Francisco, and while I generally don't like to pay guys coming off career years, salary structure among DL players is so whacky it hardly matters. The highest payed player in the Eagles front seven is...Darren Howard.[/quote]

Who plays the inside linebacker positions? Fletch seems too small.

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[quote=Lotus;654774]Who plays the inside linebacker positions? Fletch seems too small.[/quote]

Rolando McClain:cool-smil

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[quote=GTripp0012;654692]Without Orakpo and Chris Wilson, we probably wouldn't have the personnel, but with them, it's not an issue.

NT [B]Aubrayo Franklin[/B] is a UFA for San Francisco, and while I generally don't like to pay guys coming off career years, salary structure among DL players is so whacky it hardly matters. The highest payed player in the Eagles front seven is...Darren Howard.[/quote]

Here's Scouts' take on Franklin:
[quote]Comment: Franklin has the strength and leverage skills to be effective against the run. He does a good job of recognizing blocking schemes and is quick to attack with his hands. He is tough to move off the ball due his low center of gravity and his ability to stack inside. He does a good job of occupying blocks and allowing linebackers to make plays. He has limited range on the outside. He is also somewhat limited as a pass-rusher due to a lack of speed and moves. He relies primarily on power to create an inside push and has an effective bull rush. [/quote]

He seems to have had solid back to back years:
2008 46 tkl, 33 solo, 1 sacks, 2 ff
2209 36 tkl, 25 solo, 2 sacks, 1 int

I would imagine that he'd be a younger option than Casey Hampton and less expensive than Vince Wilfork.

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[quote=Ruhskins;654782]Here's Scouts' take on Franklin:


He seems to have had solid back to back years:
2008 46 tkl, 33 solo, 1 sacks, 2 ff
2209 36 tkl, 25 solo, 2 sacks, 1 int

I would imagine that he'd be a younger option than Casey Hampton and less expensive than Vince Wilfork.[/quote]

He'll be franchised by the 49ers. I gurantee it.[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/11/20/49ers-plan-to-franchise-franklin/]49ers plan to franchise Franklin | ProFootballTalk.com[/url]

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[quote=Lotus;654774]Who plays the inside linebacker positions? Fletch seems too small.[/quote]I'd imagine Fletch, Blades, and McIntosh would all see about equal reps. I'd also like to add a player with experience in the scheme at low cost.

It's hard to honestly see Fletcher as an every down player at age 35, no matter what scheme we play. For two years now, he's been very well protected within a scheme. It goes both ways though. We could afford to protect him because we knew he would not miss tackles even if he was the only guy at the ball.

In the 3-4, Fletcher would be marginalized, but he absolutely could do the job.

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There's also Robert Henson

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[quote=SmootSmack;654828]There's also Robert Henson[/quote]

No there's not. :benched:

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[quote=rbanerjee23;654433]f*** Haynesworth, he needs to shut the hell up and be happy with his massive contract and play his fat ass off...on a lighter note, I'm pretty happy just to have someone established on the payroll as the defensive coordinator[/quote]
when you've got a guy whose biggest complaints are that he's not able to give you his full potential in the way that you're using him I believe that you should listen

we were all complaining about blache using his linemen just to occupy the defenders (more of a 3-4 thing if I'm not mistaken) and not allowing a true pass rush.. now we wanna bitch that people want to rush the passer? he was complaining that he WASN'T earning his paycheck, yes.. in those words.. by the way he was being used, I'll take that any day

what the hell is going on?

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[quote=tryfuhl;654992]when you've got a guy whose biggest complaints are that he's not able to give you his full potential in the way that you're using him I believe that you should listen

we were all complaining about blache using his linemen just to occupy the defenders (more of a 3-4 thing if I'm not mistaken) and not allowing a true pass rush.. now we wanna bitch that people want to rush the passer? he was complaining that he WASN'T earning his paycheck, yes.. in those words.. by the way he was being used, I'll take that any day

what the hell is going on?[/quote]

I'm more than willing to embrace that observation because I find little fault in a guy complaining about wanting to do more, as opposed to being criticized for doing less.

Last year is over and done with, we'll have a new staff in place that I'm sure is well aware of Albert's discontent and will find ways to maximize his talents. As far as I'm concerned he has a clean slate and a new beginning.

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You do what's best for the team, and Haynesworth doesn't get to decide what is best -- the coaches do. Rushing the passer is great, but that is not the only important thing on defense. So, in short, Haynesworth should shut-up and do what he's told to by the coaches. Sure, they could be wrong, but you just don't openly question your boss' abilities and imply that you know better.

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Has Haslett had a press conference yet?