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[quote=53Fan;662079]I must admit that as time goes by the thought of drafting Bradford does get me excited. I think he has what it takes to be a very, very good QB. But then with the annoucement of Russ Grimm going into the HOF, I think again of how much we need a good OL. I read somewhere about how amazing it is that JC's numbers went up playing behind possibly one of the worse OL's in history. With the Hogs, it really didn't matter that we didn't have a franchise QB. And behind the Hogs, even someone like Timmy Smith could run for over 200 yards in the Super Bowl. How much better would JC be, or one of our RB's be running behind a great o-line? It would be nice for the first time in a long time, to be strong in the trenches so we could really know how strong our skill positions really are. I'm so tired of our o-line sucking and our QB getting eaten alive. Maybe it's all the talk about the Hogs lately.....I just wish we could be strong up front once again instead of being a joke.[/quote]

I 100% agree with you. I keep thinking "Man Bradford sure would look good in a Skins uniform, and he looks like the real deal." Then I see fans posts and comments about this guy who say he has a glass shoulder and he played in a QB friendly system offense. Then I, like you, see that a good OL is needed for most NFL teams, except Indy, Pittsburgh, and kind of New Orleans. The reason why those teams have bad OL's and succeed is because they have the right QB back there who knows when to get rid of the ball. Which then makes you wonder, is Bradford the right QB that can get rid of the ball quickly? Who knows/then again why would you want to see if your QB's are getting slammed to the ground and Bradford has a fragile shoulder, then again on another flip side Brees really, really messed up his shoulder and he has been getting hit to the ground, but still seems to be doing just fine to me.

Thats why I think that Shanahan will make the right decision with whatever he and Bruce Allen do. We know Shanahan has been able to get good OLineman throughout the draft, but he's always needed to get a good QB. I think he'll continue this trend, and draft Bradford, then draft OLineman throught the draft and free agency. I don't know if he'll have the patience to develope a guy like Dan LeFeavor or Zac Robinson or Mike Kafka and groom him to be our QB of the future. I honestly don't care who we draft whether its a QB or an OL, just as long as its not a position we don't need.

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It's not like if we draft Bradford that we are going to ignore the Oline. We still have free agency, trades, and picks in rounds 2,4,5 and 7 to address the line. The line will be addressed,it's just a matter of how.

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[quote=WaldSkins;662285]It's not like if we draft Bradford that we are going to ignore the Oline. We still have free agency, trades, and picks in rounds 2,4,5 and 7 to address the line. The line will be addressed,it's just a matter of how.[/quote]

I just don't understand how you could justify taking a QB at #4 (being a weak QB class according to pundits) and ignoring the disgusting play by the offensive line last season.

Given the success of first round tackles over the past few seasons, to me taking a QB with that #4 is not an option. If Okung is not available at #4, then the next best solution is to trade down and get more picks and still pick up a tackle with the first rounder.

Honestly, with the uncapped year free agency is going to be pretty bad, and most of your young talented players are going to be RFAs. Trading picks for players is something that I don't want to see happen in this team for a loong time. And to me saying "we'll take care of the line with the later rounds" sounds a lot like Vinny Cerrato.

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[quote=Ruhskins;662291]I just don't understand how you could justify taking a QB at #4 [B](being a weak QB class according to pundits)[/B] and ignoring the disgusting play by the offensive line last season.

Given the success of first round tackles over the past few seasons, to me taking a QB with that #4 is not an option. [B]If Okung is not available at #4, then the next best solution is to trade down and get more picks and still pick up a tackle with the first rounder.[/B]

Honestly, with the uncapped year free agency is going to be pretty bad, and most of your young talented players are going to be RFAs. Trading picks for players is something that I don't want to see happen in this team for a loong time. And to me saying [B]"we'll take care of the line with the later rounds" sounds a lot like Vinny Cerrato.[/B][/quote]

1.) I never said that we should take a QB at #4.
2.) Just because it's a weak QB class doesn't mean that Bradford isn't worthy of a top ten pick (He would have been the #1 QB off the board last year if he didn't return to school)
3.)If Okung is gone and we can't trade back who do you select?
4.)Cerrato didn't really address the line with later picks, he always seemed to go for LB's and speacial team players in the later rounds.

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[quote=WaldSkins;662293]1.) I never said that we should take a QB at #4.
2.) Just because it's a weak QB class doesn't mean that Bradford isn't worthy of a top ten pick (He would have been the #1 QB off the board last year if he didn't return to school)
3.)If Okung is gone and we can't trade back who do you select?
4.)Cerrato didn't really address the line with later picks, he always seemed to go for LB's and speacial team players in the later rounds.[/quote]

It's not just you, it seems like a everyone is saying this, "we must pick a QB at #4, we must pick a QB at #4".

I'm sure that if Bradford is there at #4, there will be some interest for that pick by a few teams that are in desperate need of a QB.

And Cerrato didn't address the line period. We always seem to pick up old lineman as a way to patch things up.

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[quote=WaldSkins;662285]It's not like if we draft Bradford that we are going to ignore the Oline. We still have free agency, trades, and picks in rounds 2,4,5 and 7 to address the line. The line will be addressed,it's just a matter of how.[/quote]

Totally with you on this.

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[quote=WaldSkins;662293]1.) I never said that we should take a QB at #4.
2.) [B]Just because it's a weak QB class[/B] doesn't mean that Bradford isn't worthy of a top ten pick (He would have been the #1 QB off the board last year if he didn't return to school)
3.)If Okung is gone and we can't trade back who do you select?
4.)Cerrato didn't really address the line with later picks, he always seemed to go for LB's and speacial team players in the later rounds.[/quote]

i think it is the complete opposite, there might not be a manning, or a rivers thats a lock to go number one, but as far as depth goes i have been saying for a while that there is a ton of depth at the qb position you can get a guy like snead pike, mccoy, or smoots boy from fordham, in the later rounds. i see no reason to take a qb at number 4 overall unless shanny really falls in love with him. i'm alaborad the eric berry bandwagon, but what i would love is to trade down i just don't see anyone doing that

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[quote=WaldSkins;662293]1.) I never said that we should take a QB at #4.
2.) Just because it's a weak QB class doesn't mean that Bradford isn't worthy of a top ten pick (He would have been the #1 QB off the board last year if he didn't return to school)
[B]3.)If Okung is gone and we can't trade back who do you select?[/B]
4.)Cerrato didn't really address the line with later picks, he always seemed to go for LB's and speacial team players in the later rounds.[/quote]

If he's not gone, you take him. After the combine we may find that Davis, Campbell, or another LT is worth the pick if he is gone and we can't trade back. If not, there are other players/positions to consider also. Obviously Suh, Berry, McCoy and McClain can't all be gone if Okung is off the board. Joe Haden would be a nice addition also. But obviously if the staff thinks Bradford or Clausen are a once in a decade type of QB, they'll probably pick one of them. I personaly have no problem at all with taking a highly regarded LT with our first pick. I wish we would have done more of it in the last 10 years. Picking a franchise LT with the #4 pick isn't such a bad thing. If you get a chance to get a FLT you take him. If they pick a QB I can only assume they feel JC cannot win in this league, which I disagree with, and the QB they draft is going to be much better. Of course whatever they do I'll probably be behind it, I just hope it's the right thing. And I'm a big fan of Bradford.

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Alright, I know I'm not a scout but whats so damn appealing about Anthony Davis besides his measureables? The fact that he is even mentioned in the same sentence as Okung is enough to make my head spin. Unless I see something else on the guy besides Todd McShay's word I'm going to have to go on record as saying that I will be very disapointed if we draft him. I mean maybe I'm wrong but compared to Okung his draft video is less then impressive.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;662308]Alright, I know I'm not a scout but whats so damn appealing about Anthony Davis besides his measureables? The fact that he is even mentioned in the same sentence as Okung is enough to make my head spin. Unless I see something else on the guy besides Todd McShay's word I'm going to have to go on record as saying that I will be very disapointed if we draft him. I mean maybe I'm wrong but compared to Okung his draft video is less then impressive. [/quote]

i was under the impression that these guys don't really fit a typical shanny o lineman, maybe i'm wrong, it does happen

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I would take Okung over Davis in a heartbeat. But according to a lot of people in the know, Davis came on in the latter part of his college career and has a ton of upside. I think the idea is any weakness he may have is correctable. That's the word I hear...um read. A lot of the draft is projection.

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[quote=mlmdub130;662309]i was under the impression that these guys don't really fit a typical shanny o lineman, maybe i'm wrong, it does happen[/quote]
Rutgers runs a zone blocking scheme similar to what Shanny runs.

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Davis carries a lot of baggage with him. Better to take Charles Brown, in my opinion

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[quote=SmootSmack;662312]Davis carries a lot of baggage with him. Better to take Charles Brown, in my opinion[/quote]

Personally I'd love to see Okung at LT and C. Brown at RT. :) Now I'm hearing that Bradfords surgery has been declared a success and he'll be involved at the combine. I hope so. I want to see how he looks but I had read before he wouldn't throw at the combine. :confused:

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[quote=SmootSmack;662312]Davis carries a lot of baggage with him. Better to take Charles Brown, in my opinion[/quote]

Thats what I was thinking. If you watch his video on YouTube then you see a guy who's mobile and has great feet in pass protection. The advantage I see in Davis over Brown though is that Davis has a very powerful punch, however I'll take the guy with great feet over the puncher any day of the week.

[quote=WaldSkins;662311]Rutgers runs a zone blocking scheme similar to what Shanny runs.[/quote]

Scares me even more, but yeah I've heard that to. Ironically though I'm hearing rumblings that the big riser come combine time will be Bruce Campbell not Anthony Davis.


[quote=mlmdub130;662309]i was under the impression that these guys don't really fit a typical shanny o lineman, maybe i'm wrong, it does happen[/quote]


I personally think the 8 best OT's are all guys that could work in a zone blocking scheme which isn't much of a surprise given that footwork and mobility is extremely important when it comes to slotting tackles before the draft.

In short Rodger Saffold, Selvish Capers, Charles Brown, Bruce Campbell, Trent Williams, Bryan Bulaga, Russell Okung, and Anthony Davis will all fit in Shanny's offense. Personally though I see Okung, Brown, and Campbell as the best fits. Saffold is also an intriguing prospect.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;662315]



Scares me even more, but yeah I've heard that to. Ironically though I'm hearing rumblings that the big riser come combine time will be Bruce Campbell not Anthony Davis.[/quote]

That's why I say after the combine we may find there's another LT worth the pick if Okungs gone. I don't know about you guys but I'll feel alot clearer about things after the combine because alot of what I read right now is mostly opinion it seems. I'm not the type who jumps on "sudden" combine superstars but I'd at least like to see them in action or at least get something from the combine. Andre Smith really showed himself at the combine.....and it wasn't pretty.

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[quote=53Fan;662316]That's why I say after the combine we may find there's another LT worth the pick if Okungs gone. I don't know about you guys but I'll feel alot clearer about things after the combine because alot of what I read right now is mostly opinion it seems. I'm not the type who jumps on "sudden" combine superstars but I'd at least like to see them in action or at least get something from the combine. Andre Smith really showed himself at the combine.[/quote]

I think the combine is important to an extent but i don't think we should go all Al Davis and draft the tallest, fastest player available.

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[quote=WaldSkins;662317]I think the combine is important to an extent but i don't think we should go all Al Davis and draft the tallest, fastest player available.[/quote]

Not at all. I agree 100%.

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Man and to think. A few years ago we had Chris Samuels, Jon Jansen, and Randy Thomas all in their prime.

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Yeah i dont agree with the combine stuff. All that does is help with measureables. You can be an athletic freak and still be a shitty football player. You gotta watch tape and see them on the field to determine what they do in gameday situations. Im not big on watching "highlight" videos cuz then yu dont see the bad and those can make u fall in love wit the wrong person. ANYONE can look good in a highlight video if its produced right. Thats why u watch the actual game film, highlights/lowlights. The Combine is the NFL's version of the beauty pageant. Sure they look good in a bikini but can Miss America keep our QB upright for a 3 step drop?

-Haz

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In reality combine should only be about showing up in good shape and interviewing well. Everything else should be taken with a grain of salt.

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[quote=SmootSmack;662312]Davis carries a lot of baggage with him. [B]Better to take Charles Brown, in my opinion[/B][/quote]

If we trade down to the middle of the 1st round will Brown likely be available?

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[quote=The Goat;662327]If we trade down to the middle of the 1st round will Brown likely be available?[/quote]

He might be there when we select in the second.

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Most ppl have been saying he'll prolly be available even at our 2nd round pick. Thats likely to change in the upcoming months so who knows

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[quote=PHazard;662330]Most ppl have been saying he'll prolly be available even at our 2nd round pick. [B]Thats likely to change in the upcoming months so who knows[/B][/quote]

exactly, it's way too ealry to know anything, just jump on the eric berry bandwagon and be done with it, we got plenty of room aboard

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The Andre Smith/Anthony Davis theme song.
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[quote=The Goat;662327]If we trade down to the middle of the 1st round will Brown likely be available?[/quote]

If he gets past the Seahawks at 14 then I'd be most concerned about one of the teams ahead of us in the 2nd round taking him.

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dirtbag i think this was the video you were looking for

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3fZaQxV9nU]YouTube - Take a Chance on me Andy Bernard[/url]

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Aye my opinion is, we are REBUILDING the team and with Shanny at the helm, hopefully we are not picking in the top 5 again anytime soon. So If we can't trade down in the 1st round, i absolutely agree we should take the BEST player available. If Berry is still on the board, then he's our guy. Would do alot for our secondary as far as coverage and would allow us to move Landry back to SS. When he was at SS and we had an elite FS in Sean Taylor, THATS when everyone was saying Landry could be a pro bowl safety. But, when u are pickin this high in the draft in all rounds, you cant afford to miss.

PS I am considerably depressed that Taylor Mays, on the majority of draft boards, is either going to the eagles or cowboys....Gonna suck cuz he is gonna develop with NFL coaching and its only a matter of time till he is smashing our receivers everytime they go across the middle

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[quote=mlmdub130;662340]dirtbag i think this was the video you were looking for

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3fZaQxV9nU]YouTube - Take a Chance on me Andy Bernard[/url][/quote]

No, I got the video I was looking for. However I never realized that song was being plastered on TV. Here's where I first heard it.

Context: Malcolm and Reese think the other is a closet homosexual and are doing are each doing their best to be supportive of the fact that the other is apparently "different."
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PS I am considerably depressed that Taylor Mays, on the majority of draft boards, is either going to the eagles or cowboys....Gonna suck cuz he is gonna develop with NFL coaching and its only a matter of time till he is smashing our receivers everytime they go across the middle[/quote]

If he attempts to "smash" them in the same manner as Landry then by all means, have at it. We shouldn't be the only NFC East team with an enforcer over the middle.

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[quote=PHazard;662341]Aye my opinion is, we are REBUILDING the team and with Shanny at the helm, hopefully we are not picking in the top 5 again anytime soon. So If we can't trade down in the 1st round, i absolutely agree we should take the BEST player available. If Berry is still on the board, then he's our guy. Would do alot for our secondary as far as coverage and would allow us to move Landry back to SS. When he was at SS and we had an elite FS in Sean Taylor, THATS when everyone was saying Landry could be a pro bowl safety. But, when u are pickin this high in the draft in all rounds, you cant afford to miss.

[B]PS I am considerably depressed that Taylor Mays, on the majority of draft boards, is either going to the eagles or cowboys....Gonna suck cuz he is gonna develop with NFL coaching and its only a matter of time till he is smashing our receivers everytime they go across the middle[/quote]
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Mays reminds me of Laron

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[quote=WaldSkins;662343]
Mays reminds me of Laron[/quote]

[quote=Dirtbag359;662342]If he attempts to "smash" them in the same manner as Landry then by all means, have at it. We shouldn't be the only NFC East team with an enforcer over the middle.[/quote]

A hahahahaha, nice. I think it's safe to say the verdict is in on Taylor Mays, at least as a draft prospect.

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i know i've posted this before, but when in rome

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLD33s7V7EU]YouTube - (HD) Rose Bowl-Taylor Mays KO's two players at once![/ame]

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[quote=mlmdub130;662349]i know i've posted this before, but when in rome

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLD33s7V7EU]YouTube - (HD) Rose Bowl-Taylor Mays KO's two players at once![/url][/quote]

That game was over a year ago, do you want me to show you some old Jevan Snead highlights?

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The combine helps ME find out more about the guys and I'm sure some of the players catch some of the coaches eye who maybe haven't seen everything on film. Clay Matthews rose up during the combine and deservedly so. The combine is by no means everything, not even close, but they do serve a purpose.

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[quote=WaldSkins;662352]That game was over a year ago, do you want me to show you some old Jevan Snead highlights?[/quote]

Are there any? :)

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[quote=53Fan;662356]Are there any? :)[/quote]

He had a really good game against Texas Tech in the Alamo Bowl 2 years ago.

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[quote=WaldSkins;662352]That game was over a year ago, do you want me to show you some old Jevan Snead highlights?[/quote]

if jevan snead knockouted two people with one hit i don't care when it was i would love to see it

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[quote=WaldSkins;662352]That game was over a year ago, do you want me to show you some old Jevan Snead highlights?[/quote]

[quote=53Fan;662356]Are there any? :)[/quote]

Thats the thing, I was looking for a few myself but the only thing I could find were press conferences and Snead getting decleated during the Cotton Bowl.

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[YT][ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ckSY_-cg5E&feature=PlayList&p=C2009D38B64C47B0&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=12]YouTube - Sean Taylor - Bone Thug[/ame][/YT]
taylor mays is no sean taylor.

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[quote=WaldSkins;662343][/B]
Mays reminds me of Laron[/quote]

Well Mays reminds me more of Sean Taylor than Laron Landry. Mays is near the same exact build as Taylor and is a much more natural free safety. And as you can see from the video, Hes MUCH more effective at throwing his body into ppl then Landry is. Theres a difference between a 6'4 230 lbs safety throwin his body into ppl than a 6'0 205 person. And Arguably, Taylor Mays might be faster than Landry. so more weight behind faster speed changes this scenario. Now Sean Taylor is arguably my favorite player in Redskins History, but it took him 3 years to develop into a SOLID all around FS. You think after 3 years in the league Taylor Mays, after good coaching, wont be an extremely feared safety in the NFL. All i know is, watching the videos of Sean Taylor DESTROYING Terrell Owens across the middle brought a smile to my face like nothing else can. And it will be a travesty, if any Cowboys or Eagles fans will be able to enjoy videos like this in the coming years....