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[quote=SmootSmack;667731]Skins' interest in Sproles is pretty genuine. Though I have a feeling Sproles is planning to use the Redskins to get what he really wants. A big contract from the Chargers.

Not sure Sproles is aware that he'll be dealing with Bruce Allen.[/quote]

You mean the Skins' wallet won't be wide open as in years past?

That's silly talk.

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lets not forget the year after bruce came to the buccs he sign all those Raiders and went on a spending spree in Tampa. It wouldn't be out of character. I think it will be up to shanny who we get.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;667874]Sb- normally I would agree with you, but I think this team has a faster turn around time. Last year the players gave up on Zorn. The team is better than they looked. There is a new buz around reskins park with Shanny here and Vinny gone. Secondly the Skins have the freedom to go after who ever they want with no cap to stay under. [B]I honestly think we are a offensive line [/B]and runningback away from being back in contention.[/quote]
:rofl: just an offensive line away. Nothing major, ya know, just a minor part of a football team.

Please note that that is a complete OL, and not one OL player, away. I want the Skins to get to the SB, but between our schedule, yet another new coach, and an unproven line (however it is constituted), we will be a solid team, but I hope that anyone coming in is looked at as atleast a 4 yr player. That's why Sproles would be my number 1 request, at 27 he has his best years coming up.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;667874]Sb- normally I would agree with you, but I think this team has a faster turn around time. Last year the players gave up on Zorn. The team is better than they looked. There is a new buz around reskins park with Shanny here and Vinny gone. Secondly the Skins have the freedom to go after who ever they want with no cap to stay under. I honestly think we are a offensive line and runningback away from being back in contention.[/quote]

I sincerely hope I'm wrong but I see it taking longer. Your right we need an offensive line, and I would almost forgo the RB position if I had to not touch one for a year. That's hoping Portis can make a come back, Ganther looks awsome in Shanahan's system, and Alridge becomes the playmaker the team needs. The good news is OL and RB is deep according to all the pundits.

I like JC but the team needs, and especially Shanahan needs, a QB who is accurate with the ball. If the team can find that person either in FA, draft, or Colt finally steps up and shines with accuracy then I'll agree with you that I like our chances of doing pretty good cause I too agree the team is better then they played last year. I think a lot of it was on Zorn and his screwed up scheme, along with man-to-man blocking in a scheme which is supposed to thrive in a zone blocking scheme, plus our injuries.

I guess I'm saying "IF" everything fell into place I could see us making the playoffs in 2 yrs. Give the team a year to learn the system and learn to work together and pick up the remaining missing pieces. I'm concerned about the defense now though. All those years coaching and Haslett really never had a break out season and although I think the defense could be better a lot has to happen.... it has to be the right players in the right scheme, all the players have to buy into it, and maybe it will have a chance. No different then our OL where we have man-to-man blocking OL built for man-to-man and we are going to be changing to a zone blocking system.

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Well after watching most of the combine I come away with my top prospects in terms of whom the redskins should get in terms of over all value and who fits Shanahans offense/Hasletts 3-4 D :

1) Sam Bradford (puts on 13 lbs of muscle and just talks at the combine, then all of a sudden he's become the all but certain first overall pick)

2) Russell Okung

3)Ndamakong Suh (just watch what he did to texas's OL, and you'll see how good he really is he single handedly dominated that game and is an exception for us to get even though he may not fit the 3-4)

4) Eric Berry

5) CJ Spiller (the best RB in the draft IMO)

6) Charles Brown (looks like the next best LT in the draft; is very quick on his feet and would fit our offense very well)

7) Mike Iupati (the best guard to come out since Steve Hutchinson, has a mean streak, and I believe he could play in any offense)

8) Bryan Bulaga (has been injured and looks more like a RT in the NFL, and not a LT, doesn't really look like a T for this offense but has potential to be the best T in this draft 5 years from now)

9) Joe Haden (didn't do as good as people thought he would at the combine, but just look at the film and you'll see how good he really is; he's low because we have OL and QB needs before CB needs plus I'm assuming we'll probably go after a CB in FA)

10) Rolando McClain (didn't really do much at the combine, and people are saying he was good just because Saban's system makes him look good, I don't buy it, I also think 3-4 MLB is one of the last things we should worry about)

11) Maurkice Pouncey (the best center in the draft, big and mobile, but we'll probably get a later round center or just rely on Rabach with a later round rookie to groom; and don't sleep on Edwin Williams or Kory Lichtenstreiger)

12) Sean Weatherspoon (is perfect for this defense because he's a 4-3 OLB and a 3-4 MLB, basically a young dansby, but I also think we could have dansby, and like I said before MLB isn't a top need)

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[quote=SBXVII;667867]This is from Casserly's comments about picking up some of the FA OL....



I honestly hope Pashos is smart enough to stall his talks with the 49ers until the market opens. I think since he already knows Foersters offensive scheme plus knowing the Skins need OL he would atleast wait and see what the Skins offer him. [B]Hell I'd take whatever the Skins offered just to get away from the nut job of a HC out there.[/B]

It will be interesting to see how many of those named wait to test the market or if they are slightly interested in working under Shanahan since he's known to alway have the best offensive line in the NFL.[/quote]

I thought Singletary had won over the troops last season...no?

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[quote=diehardskin2982;667876]lets not forget the year after bruce came to the buccs he sign all those Raiders and went on a spending spree in Tampa. It wouldn't be out of character. I think it will be up to shanny who we get.[/quote]

Part of the reason among others, as to why Bruce was excited to come here was the freedom to spend money on players. The Glazers have become notoriously cheap as of late especially with the recent explosion of the team.

I don't know how much they're involved at Man U but they traded the Lebron James of soccer in Christiano Ronaldo for $90 million then to calm down the fans they had to make a public statement promising to spend that money on players. If Snyder made that deal how many people would be worried about him spending that money on players?

The Glazers are slowly reverting towards the Bidwell and Mike Browns of the league. Though I will admit that part of it might be because they're maxed out financially.

But anyway back to Bruce, basically the freedom to spend more money was part of the reason this job was so attractive to him.

[quote]Glazer family promise to spend Ronaldo money on new players for United

Manchester United's American owners, the Glazer family, have insisted they will fund Sir Alex Ferguson's plans to replace Cristiano Ronaldo with "world-class players" after dismissing the "paranoia" of supporters who fear the £80 million transfer fee will be used to service the club's £700 million debt.[/quote]

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[quote=diehardskin2982;667876]lets not forget the year after bruce came to the buccs he sign all those Raiders and went on a spending spree in Tampa. It wouldn't be out of character. I think it will be up to shanny who we get.[/quote]

What sort of spending spree did he go on in Tampa exactly?

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^ In 2004 Tampa let go of vets Sapp, Lynch, and Keshawn Johnson. They brought in 19 free agents including Brian Griese, Charlie Garner, Joey Galloway, Matt O’dwyer, Matt Stichcomb, Jason Widdle, Derrick Deese, Todd Steussie, Darrell Russell, Ian Gold, Mario Edwards, and Josh Bidwell to punt. Don't believe the Hype Matty different faces, same game!

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[quote=diehardskin2982;668074]^ In 2004 Tampa let go of vets Sapp, Lynch, and Keshawn Johnson. They brought in 19 free agents including Brian Griese, Charlie Garner, Joey Galloway, Matt O’dwyer, Matt Stichcomb, Jason Widdle, Derrick Deese, Todd Steussie, Darrell Russell, Ian Gold, Mario Edwards, and Josh Bidwell to punt. Don't believe the Hype Matty different faces, same game![/quote]

Of those 19 FA...I only recognize the first three. It's not exactly the Skins' FO approach during Snyder's ownership...signing huge star players for enormous contracts. Tampa did things on the cheap under Allen if I'm not mistaken.

...my take is Allen thinks he can spot talent and acquire it economically. Now his boss is willing to spend whatever it takes. The important thing is Allen and Shanahan keep Snyder out of the process (entirely if possible) and make wise football decisions to build a deep, talented and cohesive roster.

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In 2004 those names meant something. they replaced their whole offensive line. If you are advocating getting players on the cheap, you typically get what you pay for... cheap play. I don't think that is what shanny an allen look to do, friday will show us all the truth.

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Technically they traded Key for Galloway

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[quote=PHazard;667683]Okay so now our RB conversation is Clinton Portis, Ladell Betts, Quinton Ganther, Rock Cartwright, Marcus Mason, Anthony Alridge, and PJ Hill with the addition of possibly via Free Agency Peyton Hillis, Mike Bell, Tatum Bell, Ladainian Tomlinson, and Darren Sproles on top of possibly drafting, Jahvid Best, CJ Spiller, Montario Hardesty, or Ben Tate.

.......I think the offseason has officially gotten on my nerves.....

Can't wait for Redskins 1st workouts on March 15 to hear the Shanahan's talk about guys like Brennan and Alridge so we can gauge what direction we may be goin in.[/quote]
welcome to possibilities and evaluations, it's nothing new

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[quote=SmootSmack;667731]Skins' interest in Sproles is pretty genuine. Though I have a feeling Sproles is planning to use the Redskins to get what he really wants. A big contract from the Chargers.

Not sure Sproles is aware that he'll be dealing with Bruce Allen.[/quote]

especially considering that the news is bigger there than here on the interest of us

agent + local media = there you have it

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[quote=Mattyk;667865]You mean you can't wait to hear some football talk based in reality? I hear ya there.[/quote]

Whoever's ready for real news at that point will be sorely disappointed, but you know that.

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[quote=Mattyk;667873][I]We[/I] sound silly? Really?

Of course we will be in play for some free agents, [I]some[/I] being the key word.[/quote]
lol yeah not sure why that was directed at anyone

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[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/mike-shanahan/redskins-explore-their-nose-ta.html#more]Redskins Insider - Redskins explore their nose-tackle options in draft[/url]

as discussed in the RI report above, anyone think we will go after one of the NT studs in the draft? Dan Williams out of Tennessee, Alabama's Terrence Cody and North Carolina's Cam Thomas are the three mentioned. i assume that we would have to use our second round pick to get one of them.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;668074]^ In 2004 Tampa let go of vets Sapp, Lynch, and Keshawn Johnson. They brought in 19 free agents including Brian Griese, Charlie Garner, Joey Galloway, Matt O’dwyer, Matt Stichcomb, Jason Widdle, Derrick Deese, Todd Steussie, Darrell Russell, Ian Gold, Mario Edwards, and Josh Bidwell to punt. Don't believe the Hype Matty different faces, same game![/quote]

Not sure I really see your point at all.

He came in and cut ties with a lot of high priced vets, and brought in a bunch of no-names basically. I don't really see how this is any sort of spending spree. Any idea what they paid for these guys? I don't see anyone that would have commanded a huge deal, certainly not like what we've seen the Skins dish out.

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Redskins gave Kedric Golston the 2nd round tender, according to Jason Reid

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no one wanted him last year. i'm sure no one else will this year, especially with all the DT talent in the draft.

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[quote=johno;668162][url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/mike-shanahan/redskins-explore-their-nose-ta.html#more]Redskins Insider - Redskins explore their nose-tackle options in draft[/url]

as discussed in the RI report above, anyone think we will go after one of the NT studs in the draft? Dan Williams out of Tennessee, Alabama's Terrence Cody and North Carolina's Cam Thomas are the three mentioned. i assume that we would have to use our second round pick to get one of them.[/quote]

i dont think any of those guys can be considered a "stud." given the lack of stud NTs in the NFL, any true stud NT would be being talked about as a top 5 pick. from what i've read, suh and mccoy are both more 4-3 DTs although either could play DE in a 3-4. Not sure either of them would be an ideal NT in a 3-4 though.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;668196]i dont think any of those guys can be considered a "stud." given the lack of stud NTs in the NFL, any true stud NT would be being talked about as a top 5 pick. from what i've read, suh and mccoy are both more 4-3 DTs although either could play DE in a 3-4. Not sure either of them would be an ideal NT in a 3-4 though.[/quote]

you are right on both counts. i meant the "studs" of the guys that can play NT, not of the draft in general. its also true that good NTs are few and far between.

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I think Terrence Cody really dropped after this week, he is now a second rounder who could fall to the third round. If we were to get a 3rd round pick for someone like landry, I would use that 3rd to get him, just because he is a NT and good one for the NFL.

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[quote=HugeMonkFan;659529]i get the uncapped year thing but what happens if the cap returns? then the team would have to get purged to get under the cap...i think they should spend a little but not go overboard...peppers would be amazing and hes made it known that hes wanted to try being a 3-4 linebacker...hell they even made mention of that on the pro bowl telecast tonight. i doubt hampton is going anywhere...wilfork on the other hand prob is. he wants a long term big money deal and its not looking like the pats are willing to do it (although im sure an uncapped year may change their minds a little). im unsure how effect AH would be in the 3 technique but who knows. I really like your sig tho...he does have 100 million reasons to play whatever the fuck position they put him in lol[/quote]


I heard some sports analyst speculate that even if it comes back, it won't be like the old system. They said that the players do not want a cap and many owners do not want a floor. So the speculation was that the next cap might be similar to the NBA where there is some type of luxury tax for those who choose to be above it.

I understand the people who say we need to build through the draft and we need to avoid overpaid free agents. I am in the camp that when you are 4-12, you use the uncapped year to dump all the stupid contracts (ARE comes to mind) dump players who are wasting a roster spot (Betts), bring in any player that makes the team better at market value, and not be afraid to overpay for a star or two.

We need to remember that EVERYONE has said that Bruce Allen's biggest strength is contract negotiation and cap management. The days of throwing away picks for a Brandon Lloyd and then immediately tearing up their contract and giving them #1 receiver money are gone.

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Teams aren't going to go crazy spending money in an uncapped season. It's not that hard to estimate what the cap would have been increased to, and teams will just use that figure as a self imposed cap.

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[quote=Mattyk;668223]Teams aren't going to go crazy spending money in an uncapped season. It's not that hard to estimate what the cap would have been increased to, and teams will just use that figure as a self imposed cap.[/quote]

I agree with this for most of the teams. I do wonder if the Skins will abide by a self imposed cap, or if they will go for the best players available and have a much looser overall budget. For us the best part is definitely dropping any and all dead cap/unproductive players.

I really can't wait to see exactly how this FO handles this new situation. I hope they choose wisely!

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;668230]I agree with this for most of the teams. I do wonder if the Skins will abide by a self imposed cap, or if they will go for the best players available and have a much looser overall budget. For us the best part is definitely dropping any and all dead cap/unproductive players.

[B]I really can't wait to see exactly how this FO handles this new situation. I hope they choose wisely![/B][/quote]

I'm with you. Less than 48 hours of waiting left.

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As mentioned above cap mgmt is one of the things BA is known for, and the Skins overall under Snyder have always been cap wizards, so I'm not overly concerned.

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[quote=johno;668162][url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/mike-shanahan/redskins-explore-their-nose-ta.html#more]Redskins Insider - Redskins explore their nose-tackle options in draft[/url]

as discussed in the RI report above, anyone think we will go after one of the NT studs in the draft? Dan Williams out of Tennessee, Alabama's Terrence Cody and North Carolina's Cam Thomas are the three mentioned. i assume that we would have to use our second round pick to get one of them.[/quote]

When I think of Cody, the word "stud" does not come to mind. Instead I think of "blob," "glop," "mound," and similar terms. :)

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[quote=SmootSmack;668183]Redskins gave Kedric Golston the 2nd round tender, according to Jason Reid[/quote]I'm surprised. Golston never stood out to me as a guy who could take on double teams. He was getting owned in the Lions game and on that Johnathan Stewart touchdown, they double-teamed him and he got pushed back like a rag doll.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;668271]I'm surprised. Golston never stood out to me as a guy who could take on double teams. He was getting owned in the Lions game and on that Johnathan Stewart touchdown, they double-teamed him and he got pushed back like a rag doll.[/quote]

theres really no reason not to tender him at that level. its cheap as crap, ensures no one will try to sign him, and if someone did, then good for us because we get a 2nd round pick.

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Golston is a good guy to keep around, great work ethic and motor

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Anyone know how good Andy Alleman and/or Rex Hadnot are? Both are Olineman expected to hit the open market.

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First of all i dont agree with a 3-4 defense never been a big fan of it! Take the lose and get of hanyesworth! He is a cur!! Fat albert out of shape and a crybaby! We need hungry (young)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Players. Who play with heart and passion for the game!!!! Like ray lewis!!!!!! Im not saying go get ray but his heart his attitude playing hard everydown hungry wanna prove something players and agian young i cant say young enough!!!!!!!!!!!!! Forget about peppers he will want too much many!!!!!!!!!! We need to learn from our past mistake lets build a young team that will be good for ten years not 2!!!!!!

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I agree. Don't be upset or surprised when power running teams like the Jets and the Ravens will be able to run up the middle on us next year.
I am not a big fan of the 3-4.
I was hoping we would keep the 4-3 base and use the 3-4 on passing situations.
One of the [B]few[/B] things we were really good at the last two years was stopping the run. That is a good start...why mess with it? Why not build on what we have?
We are going to need LB's.

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[quote=Warren Suite Jr;668569]First of all i dont agree with a 3-4 defense never been a big fan of it! Take the lose and get of hanyesworth! He is a cur!! Fat albert out of shape and a crybaby! We need hungry (young)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Players. Who play with heart and passion for the game!!!! Like ray lewis!!!!!! Im not saying go get ray but his heart his attitude playing hard everydown hungry wanna prove something players and agian young i cant say young enough!!!!!!!!!!!!! Forget about peppers he will want too much many!!!!!!!!!! We need to learn from our past mistake lets build a young team that will be good for ten years not 2!!!!!![/quote]

Might want to try unsticking the exclamation point button on your keyboard there Suite.

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Here's an intriguing idea for a veteran QB. Dare I suggest David Carr? Lol, this post is just gushing with irony but I'd be interested to see him in Shanahans offense.

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[url=http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2009/08/ny_giants_backup_quarterback_d.html]NY Giants backup quarterback David Carr has learned from past experiences to not expect compliments from assistant coach Chris Palmer | - NJ.com[/url]

Carr seems like a dude who seems to get scared. That may result in a hesitant trigger-finger as well, but I only going by what I hear, since I've never seen him play when he was playing a lot.

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[quote=Warren Suite Jr;668569]First of all i dont agree with a 3-4 defense never been a big fan of it! Take the lose and get of hanyesworth! He is a cur!! Fat albert out of shape and a crybaby! We need hungry (young)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Players. Who play with heart and passion for the game!!!! Like ray lewis!!!!!! Im not saying go get ray but his heart his attitude playing hard everydown hungry wanna prove something players and agian young i cant say young enough!!!!!!!!!!!!! Forget about peppers he will want too much many!!!!!!!!!! We need to learn from our past mistake lets build a young team that will be good for ten years not 2!!!!!![/quote]
welcome to the warpath?

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[quote=Defensewins;668587]I agree. Don't be upset or surprised when power running teams like the Jets and the Ravens will be able to run up the middle on us next year.
I am not a big fan of the 3-4.
I was hoping we would keep the 4-3 base and use the 3-4 on passing situations.
One of the [B]few[/B] things we were really good at the last two years was stopping the run. That is a good start...why mess with it? Why not build on what we have?
We are going to need LB's.[/quote]

word is we'll see 4 man fronts

I imagine they'll have orakpo line up outside on the line quite a bit