Re: Redskins Sign Larry Johnson
 

[quote=Mattyk;673416]I do like the idea of a 230lb banger wearing down defenses late in the game. :)[/quote]

Does Big Ben fit that role?

Re: Redskins Sign Larry Johnson
 

Agreed, Pocket. So true.

LT leaves Minni and NY with no deal. Interesting.

Re: Redskins Sign Larry Johnson
 

Hate this move. Running backs should be young and cheap. LJ could barely gain a yard with KC last year, but as soon as he left the YOUNG AND CHEAP Jamaal Charles went on a tear, including a 259 yard game at the end of the season. He was the 73rd pick in the '08 draft.

RBs are a dime a dozen. Get them young and cheap and avoid 30 year old locker room cancers.

Re: Redskins Sign Larry Johnson
 

[quote=Pocket$ $traight;673476]According to some people there are young budding future All-pro runningbacks falling off trees who are just waiting to be signed...

I would be happy with us using one pick in the backfield. A lot of people are calling for Blount but I am not convinced that he makes it to our 4th pick. We aren't the only people who know about his 2008 stats (which were off the charts).

Does anyone think that Dexter McCluster is worth our second round pick? He is sick... He is just as dangerous catching the ball too.[/quote]

I'm not sure McCluster is worth a high second round pick. I think there are better options. Maybe if we get a late second round pick

Re: Redskins Sign Larry Johnson
 

[quote=Pocket$ $traight;673476]According to some people there are young budding future All-pro runningbacks falling off trees who are just waiting to be signed...

I would be happy with us using one pick in the backfield. A lot of people are calling for Blount but I am not convinced that he makes it to our 4th pick. We aren't the only people who know about his 2008 stats (which were off the charts).

Does anyone think that Dexter McCluster is worth our second round pick? He is sick... He is just as dangerous catching the ball too.[/quote]

Who cares if there are all-pro RBs falling off trees? Having a pro-bowl Running Backs is irrelevant when it comes to winning Super Bowls. Just look at the teams to play in the last 10 Super Bowls.

Re: Redskins Sign Larry Johnson
 

[quote=SmootSmack;673486]I'm not sure McCluster is worth a high second round pick. I think there are better options. Maybe if we get a late second round pick[/quote]

have you heard any rumblings about draft trades? i know there is about a 5% chance of us getting rid of the number 4 pick but it would be nice to bounce back in the second and get into the third.

Re: Redskins Sign Larry Johnson
 

Nothing lately

Re: Redskins Sign Larry Johnson
 

[quote=44Deezel;673484]Hate this move. Running backs should be young and cheap. LJ could barely gain a yard with KC last year, but as soon as he left the YOUNG AND CHEAP Jamaal Charles went on a tear, including a 259 yard game at the end of the season. He was the 73rd pick in the '08 draft.

RBs are a dime a dozen. Get them young and cheap and avoid 30 year old locker room cancers.[/quote]

Well we did have two young...and cheap running backs: Quinton Ganther and Marcus Mason. They simply weren't that impressive. I'd rather they be young, cheap, and good. And we released two 30 year old backs in exchange for a much better option at the same position, Larry Johnson.

Now if you just flat out don't like LJ for whatever reason(s), that's okay too. But I think the price was right and you get a proven running back that doesn't have as much mileage as some pretend.

Bottom line, singing Larry Johnson shouldn't be viewed as neither a long term [I]commitment [/I]or a long term [I]solution[/I] at running back. I trust the front office on this one.

Re: Redskins Sign Larry Johnson
 

I keep hearing people saying something along the lines of waiting a year until "a young RB takes over". I believe this league is moving away from the one RB system, and going towards a multiple RB running game. While I do hope we can find a good back in the later rounds (I just noticed that Sproles, Michael Turner, and Tashard Choice were all either 4th or 5th rounders), I think we are always going to have a combination of older and younger backs to share the load of the running game.

Re: Redskins Sign Larry Johnson
 

I have no problem with the Skins signing Johnson if he can return to form from a few years ago... we'll have to wait and see. The problem I do have is that they still have no RB with speed. CP has certainly slowed down and doesn't hit the holes quick enough anymore... he makes it easy on the opposing defense to move in for the tackle before he even gets past the line of scrimmage. I'd like to see some RB with good speed to complement Johnson's power running.

Re: Redskins Sign Larry Johnson
 

I honestly don't know what to think about this signing. Larry Johnson can be a great addition or a locker room cancer. Right now, I'm just going to have to wait and see what he does. I would have preferred to draft a back.

Re: Redskins Sign Larry Johnson
 

I echo the same concern exit0 has, it really depends on which Larry Johnson and Clinton Portis show up next year. If we get the 2009 versions we are in deep trouble. Father time is not on the side of these two aging stars. It does not matter how many carries or miles they have or don't have. Ultimately it comes down to how hard they are willing to run and if they do not shy away from contact. We should not forget Portis' concussion was severe and he is now more prone to this injury. I do not want two Shaun 'tip toe burglar' Alexander type backs that fall down behind the line of scrimmage at the slightest presence of a defensive player.

Re: Redskins Sign Larry Johnson
 

[quote=Landry44;673502]I honestly don't know what to think about this signing. Larry Johnson can be a great addition or a locker room cancer. Right now, I'm just going to have to wait and see what he does.[B] I would have preferred to draft a back[/B].[/quote]

We probably still will. I think what this signing does is signal that it doesn't matter who you are, you have to [B]earn[/B] your starts....even Clinton Portis. And I think it's about time.

Re: Redskins Sign Larry Johnson
 

This guy has made a career out of beating up women. I'm sorry, but I'd rather the Skins lose than win games with a-hole thugs like this.

Re: Redskins Sign Larry Johnson
 

[quote=44Deezel;673484]Hate this move. Running backs should be young and cheap. LJ could barely gain a yard with KC last year, but as soon as he left the YOUNG AND CHEAP Jamaal Charles went on a tear, including a 259 yard game at the end of the season. He was the 73rd pick in the '08 draft.

RBs are a dime a dozen. Get them young and cheap and avoid 30 year old locker room cancers.[/quote]

A mid-3rd round pick is cheap as an UDFA? Plz.

Re: Redskins Sign Larry Johnson
 

[quote=skins89moss;673347]Get real Son. Johnson does not have the miles that Shaun Alexander had on him. LJ has alot to prove since his career the last few years have not gone well.[/quote]

we shall see. Im sure he has sooooo much to prove. yeah him and portis will work well together. RB coach needs an immediate raise and weekly psych evaluation.

Re: Redskins Sign Larry Johnson
 

[quote=CrustyRedskin;673511]we shall see. Im sure he has sooooo much to prove. yeah him and portis will work well together. RB coach needs an immediate raise and weekly psych evaluation.[/quote]

HAHAHAHA!!!!!!! Maybe we could get a female manikin for the locker room so Larry has something to beat the shit out of, and Portis has something to dress up. And if we get Clausen, he'll have something to snuggle with thats better looking than that heifer of a girl in his picture!!

I'll be here all week ladies and gentleman!!!!

Re: Redskins Sign Larry Johnson
 

What's up with all the LJ woman bashing bull? Seriously. You guys are real trip.

If the truth were really told, if LJ kicks ass (the opponent's, that is), you guys would be the first sniffing his jock and you know it.

Re: Redskins Sign Larry Johnson
 

If the truth were really told, if LJ kicks ass (the opponent's, that is), you guys would be the first sniffing his jock and you know it.[/QUOTE]

uhhhh......Speak for yourself there buddy ol pal. You can take my spot in the jock strap sniffing line tho 12th.......

Do i "smell" some subtle homosexual undertones coming from ..........THAT direction????

Re: Redskins Sign Larry Johnson
 

[quote=Mechanix544;673522]If the truth were really told, if LJ kicks ass (the opponent's, that is), you guys would be the first sniffing his jock and you know it.[/quote]

uhhhh......Speak for yourself there buddy ol pal. You can take my spot in the jock strap sniffing line tho 12th.......

Do i "smell" some subtle homosexual undertones coming from ..........THAT direction????[/QUOTE]

And what if I am homosexual?

Re: Redskins Sign Larry Johnson
 

[quote=SFREDSKIN;673337]That's a lot of ink on that backfield!!

I didn't know LJ's father played for the Redskins back in 1974. I remember after he signed with Cincy last year (after being cut by KC) he was interviewed by Dan Patrick on his show and I was very impressed with him, he was very articulate and seemed very bright. Hard to believe after all the shit he pulled in KC. Maybe he has matured and will surprise us fans.[/quote]

I don't recall him playing on the 1974 team. I remember everyone on that team and he was not one of them. I can actually find no mention of him in any data-bases' associated with the NFL. Wiki/has him playing one year with the Redskins but dosen't mention what year.....maybe someone can share some information I haven't been able to locate.

Re: Redskins Sign Larry Johnson
 

[quote=12thMan;673523]uhhhh......Speak for yourself there buddy ol pal. You can take my spot in the jock strap sniffing line tho 12th.......

Do i "smell" some subtle homosexual undertones coming from ..........THAT direction????[/quote]

And what if I am homosexual?[/QUOTE]

Then you're name is a pun?! :)

Re: Redskins Sign Larry Johnson
 

[quote=Longtimefan;673526]I don't recall him playing on the 1974 team. I remember everyone on that team and he was not one of them. I can actually find no mention of him in any data-bases' associated with the NFL. Wiki/has him playing one year with the Redskins but dosen't mention what year.....maybe someone can share some information I haven't been able to locate.[/quote]

I couldn't find anything either. Hmm...

Re: Redskins Sign Larry Johnson
 

LJ knows this is his last chance, and he needs us more than we need him. I agree w/ SS that his off the field problems are blown a tad bit out of proportion. LJ can be an asset to our team if he can keep his nose clean around the women here (a reason he might have signed so quickly) and stay motivated. If he can do those two things there's no reason why he can't have 10 tds this year especially if we draft Okung.

Re: Redskins Sign Larry Johnson
 

[quote=Defensewins;673185]Wow. Not sure how I fell about this.
One good side, we finally have a big back. How long has it been since we have had one? Gerald Riggs?[/quote]

did you forget Stephen Davis..... ?????

Re: Redskins Sign Larry Johnson
 

[quote=Nomad;673534]did you forget Stephen Davis..... ?????[/quote]

Good call, I did forget about Davis. That was almost 10 years ago.
Man we have sucked at drafting players during the Snyder era.
I was kind of shocked when I looked, in the last 10 years we have drafted a grand total of two RB's. Laddell Betts 2002 draft round 2 pick 56 and Eddie Williams 2009 round 74 pick 221. They were both recently cut, right? Man.
But we have drafted a ton of WR's. So we got that going for us. Yeah!

Re: Redskins Sign Larry Johnson
 

[quote=Defensewins;673544]Good call, I did forget about Davis. That was almost 10 years ago. Man we have sucked at drafting players during the Snyder era.
Maybe I blocked out Davis because he got beat up by a WR? DOH! J.K.[/quote]

Rule of thumb: Don't mess with those "tall and big" WRs. T.O may have beaten up Hugh Douglas.

Thankfully, I don't see Devin punching C.P's guts out.

Re: Redskins Sign Larry Johnson
 

[quote=Defensewins;673544]Good call, I did forget about Davis. That was almost 10 years ago.
Man we have sucked at drafting players during the Snyder era.
I was kind of shocked when I looked, in the last 10 years we have drafted a grand total of two RB's. Laddell Betts 2002 draft round 2 pick 56 and Eddie Williams 2009 round 74 pick 221. They were both recently cut, right? Man.
But we have drafted a ton of WR's. So we got that going for us. Yeah![/quote]


In all fairness, Michael Westbrook is a bad motherf-----

Re: Redskins Sign Larry Johnson
 

[quote=Longtimefan;673526]I don't recall him playing on the 1974 team. I remember everyone on that team and he was not one of them. I can actually find no mention of him in any data-bases' associated with the NFL. Wiki/has him playing one year with the Redskins but dosen't mention what year.....maybe someone can share some information I haven't been able to locate.[/quote]

I can't find anything on Larry Sr. playing for us. The closest thing I can find is Dennis Johnson playing during that time period at DT from Delaware. It's funny that LJ mentions going to the stadium and seeing Gary Clark etc. but makes no mention of his father playing for the Redskins. I think someone is mistaken about his dad playing for us.

Re: Redskins Sign Larry Johnson
 

[quote=Nomad;673534]did you forget Stephen Davis..... ?????[/quote]

Or Trung Candidate....:)

Re: Redskins Sign Larry Johnson
 

he might be 30 but that doesnt mean much. I hope he proves all you haters wrong just like these guys: - Thomas Jones. 31, 1400 yrs rushing
- Emmitt Smith. 32, 1k yards
- Priest holmes, 32.. 900 yards in 8 games - 14 TDs.
- Eddie George. 30 1k yards
- curtis Martin. 31.. 1600 yards
- Jerome Bettis 32, 941 yards

Re: Redskins Sign Larry Johnson
 

[quote=dirtythirty;673560]he might be 30 but that doesnt mean much. I hope he proves all you haters wrong just like these guys: - Thomas Jones. 31, 1400 yrs rushing
- Emmitt Smith. 32, 1k yards
- Priest holmes, 32.. 900 yards in 8 games - 14 TDs.
- Eddie George. 30 1k yards
- curtis Martin. 31.. 1600 yards
- Jerome Bettis 32, 941 yards[/quote]

Wouldn't it be interesting if LJ was still here long after Portis and the Skins part ways.

Re: Redskins Sign Larry Johnson
 

[quote=12thMan;673564]Wouldn't it be interesting if LJ was still here long after Portis and the Skins part ways.[/quote]

I don't know about long after but I expect Portis to be gone after 2010 while LJ will most likely be here in 2011.

Re: Redskins Sign Larry Johnson
 

[quote=Pocket$ $traight;673565]I don't know about long after but I expect Portis to be gone after 2010 while LJ will most likely be here in 2011.[/quote]

I could see that. CJ (Spiller) & LJ in 2011.

Re: Redskins Sign Larry Johnson
 

[quote=dirtythirty;673560]he might be 30 but that doesnt mean much. I hope he proves all you haters wrong just like these guys: - Thomas Jones. 31, 1400 yrs rushing
- Emmitt Smith. 32, 1k yards
- Priest holmes, 32.. 900 yards in 8 games - 14 TDs.
- Eddie George. 30 1k yards
- curtis Martin. 31.. 1600 yards
- Jerome Bettis 32, 941 yards[/quote]


Ok. So you listed 6 of the best runningbacks who have ever played. At least 2, if not 3 or 4 are hall of famers.

Hall of Famers typically do things that are unusual.

That would be like me saying, "Hey, there are plenty of 30 year old wide receivers who dominated the league" and listing Jerry Rice, Cris Carter, Terrell Owens & Andre Reed.

Re: Redskins Sign Larry Johnson
 

[quote=Pocket$ $traight;673568]Ok. So you listed 6 of the best runningbacks who have ever played. At least 2, if not 3 or 4 are hall of famers.

Hall of Famers typically do things that are unusual.

That would be like me saying, "Hey, there are plenty of 30 year old wide receivers who dominated the league" and listing Jerry Rice, Cris Carter, Terrell Owens & Andre Reed.[/quote]

I mean you're right, but not quite right also because Johnson could well be headed to the HOF...so yeah I'd expect him to be unusual.

Re: Redskins Sign Larry Johnson
 

Im not saying LJ is the best running back ever. I dont think one of those guys is a top ten best running back that has ever played besides Emmit. Guys like Barry Sanders, Jim Brown, Walter Payton, Marshal Fault, Erik Dickerson are top 10 backs......... I am just saying I hope he proves you haters wrong. I dont agree with the statement that once a runningback hit 30 his career is over. Those are just some guys who show age doesnt matter. Talk to me next year after protis gets hut and LJ carries the weight better than any of our backups have done in years. Oh and there are plent of more wr over 30 that have had very productive seasons...

Re: Redskins Sign Larry Johnson
 

To be a running back you need three things, in this order:
1) An offensive line.
2) Talent.
3) A passing game.

As your talent goes away (ie. after 29-30 years old), you need a good offensive line (and passing game) to help keep punching out yards. If you look back at those older RB's you listed above - most of them had fantastic offensive lines and decent passing offenses. We don't have either. (I'm still rooting for him though..)

Re: Redskins Sign Larry Johnson
 

People always ignore the fact Johnson only has 1421 carries.

Re: Redskins Sign Larry Johnson
 

[quote=The Goat;673571]I mean you're right, but not quite right also because Johnson could well be headed to the HOF...so yeah I'd expect him to be unusual.[/quote]


Larry isn't going to make it to the HOF. Portis has a much better resume than him and I think Clinton is a huge longshot right now.