Re: AH trade II La Canfora insists AH is indeed on the trading block.
 

[quote=Ruhskins;693436]Well unless the Redskins are willing to trade AH for a 3rd rounder (which would be RIDICULOUSLY stupid) this ain't happening. Another Redskins story that JLC doesn't break.[/quote]

JLC was not exactly a warm welcome when he was here serving as the Redskins beat reporter. His negative reporting was never a fan favorite.

Re: AH trade II La Canfora insists AH is indeed on the trading block.
 

Wanted to repost this from the draft thread as I think it explains why the JLC insist on pushing this story.

[quote=Ruhskins;693434]I think JLC is still bitter about not breaking the AH news last year, so he wants to break this news. So just keep insisting and insisting.[/quote]

What I was referring to was this article where JLC actually got pissed at Vinny for not tipping his hand before the Jason Taylor trade. I think it's similar now where he hear's Shanahan say no and in his head he hears yes based on the experience with Vinny.

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/the-immaculate-deception.html]Redskins Insider - The Immaculate Deception[/url]
[quote]But yesterday, minutes after the afternoon practice was over, here is what Cerrato said to the local media, repeatedly: "We haven't talked to anybody yet on anything." He then denied, again, any attempts to land Taylor to representatives of virtually every media entity that approached him at Redskins Park.[/quote]

Re: AH trade II La Canfora insists AH is indeed on the trading block.
 

[quote=wilsowilso;690166]The second I see that JLC is talking about the Redskins plans I don't even bother reading any further. The dude has no connections at Redskin Park. Zero.[/quote]

This is my post from the first page of this thread.

Re: AH trade II La Canfora insists AH is indeed on the trading block.
 

If Shanahan is serious about trading big Al it will get done, and he may be all the wiser for waiting until the season gets closer. All it takes is a major injury to any one of the better DTs in the league and suddenly Al's value shoots thru the roof.

...obviously in this scenario we don't get any current compensation. But if Mike could get a 1st rd pick next year is seems safe to assume he'd take it.

Re: AH trade II La Canfora insists AH is indeed on the trading block.
 

[quote=RedskinPete;693327]The Redskins made thier bed and they have to live with the fact that Al is not going anywhere and they will have to pick Saturday. Time to not give away next years draft for picks this season. Time to pay the piper! As for Al he needs to come in and work hard. He real could have a great season with the Redskins. Also it shows team that might be willing to give value that he is a team player and not a problem child. You never know some one might need a DT as the season moves on like a team like the Skins when J.Taylor was traded for![/quote]

Time to pay the piper? They paid him 21 million on the first. The "piper" is already paid.

Damn, we are stuck with the best d-lineman in football...What do we do now!?!

Re: AH trade II La Canfora insists AH is indeed on the trading block.
 

[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;693406]its not like it was all just made up. smoot said a deal seemed very close. apparently, something must have fallen through. hence the denials from shanahan and the titans. but unless you want to call smoot a liar, there's no denying that we were trying to trade him to the titans. it just didnt work out.[/quote]

Here's what happened. Titans were trying to get him from us. We weren't trying to trade him there. We said the conversation doesn't begin until you can offer us at least a 2nd. Titans were then close to sending Bo Scaife in a deal to the Ravens that would get them a 2nd that would come to us. That deal fell through, Ravens took another TE in the draft, and that's the end of that.

Re: AH trade II La Canfora insists AH is indeed on the trading block.
 

That sucks rocks. Allen will have to go to the tried and true policy of signing castoff FAs to plug gaps for the moment. Our FA moves of the past few weeks are in my book questionable at best.

Re: AH trade II La Canfora insists AH is indeed on the trading block.
 

Also, we spoke to the Vikings about their 1st overall yesterday and then their high 2nd today. But nothing came of it

Re: AH trade II La Canfora insists AH is indeed on the trading block.
 

[quote=Pocket$ $traight;693517]Time to pay the piper? They paid him 21 million on the first. The "piper" is already paid.

Damn, we are stuck with the best d-lineman in football...What do we do now!?![/quote]

Use him to destroy Tony Romo and his "wonderful group of pass catchers."

Re: AH trade II La Canfora insists AH is indeed on the trading block.
 

I like the McNabb move by itself, but knowing we have wasted another draft, we were better served keeping the picks and just drafting Lefevour or Pike, Stull, etc. WE really need linemen and linebackers. Not to mention a S and a CB. We really needed multiple picks. I wish Snyder could buy the Patriots' FO. Hindsight is 20/20 after all. I just hope we can get a decent FA for trading JC now, but that looks like a lost cause.

Re: AH trade II La Canfora insists AH is indeed on the trading block.
 

[quote=SmootSmack;693526]Here's what happened. Titans were trying to get him from us. We weren't trying to trade him there. We said the conversation doesn't begin until you can offer us at least a 2nd. Titans were then close to sending Bo Scaife in a deal to the Ravens that would get them a 2nd that would come to us. That deal fell through, Ravens took another TE in the draft, and that's the end of that.[/quote]

Dang. So close. Good for the FO for holding their ground on a #2 pick. Thanks SS.

Re: AH trade II La Canfora insists AH is indeed on the trading block.
 

[quote=GusFrerotte;693535]I like the McNabb move by itself, but knowing we have wasted another draft, we were better served keeping the picks and just drafting Lefevour or Pike, Stull, etc. WE really need linemen and linebackers. Not to mention a S and a CB. We really needed multiple picks. I wish Snyder could buy the Patriots' FO.[/quote]

What? You would rather have a lineman or linebacker, which is basically the equivalent of getting Rocky McIntosh or Chilo Rachel over a franchise QB?

Re: AH trade II La Canfora insists AH is indeed on the trading block.
 

[quote=GusFrerotte;693535]I like the McNabb move by itself, but knowing we have wasted another draft, we were better served keeping the picks and just drafting Lefevour or Pike, Stull, etc. WE really need linemen and linebackers. Not to mention a S and a CB. We really needed multiple picks. I wish Snyder could buy the Patriots' FO.[/quote]

I think we are fine at S and DB, we do need OL and LB. Hopefully our next pick is an LB and somehow get a Faneca and or Kirk Morrison after the draft.

Re: AH trade II La Canfora insists AH is indeed on the trading block.
 

I couldn't be happier. That four eyed, crooked hat, wanna be geek got pwned big time by Schefter and I love it.

Eat a dick Jared LaCanfora, eat an effing dick.

So let's get this straight, he tells the world that we were going to make the trade for Tenn's third and sticks by his story over and over again even though he was completely wrong the whole time. So not only did he make himself look like an idiot but he makes the NFLN look like second rate players compared to ESPN. And his butt buddy Jason Reid also looks like an idiot for jumping on his boat.

Some people may say that he was close to being right but in actuality as soon as he attached the 3rd rounder to the report he was 100% wrong.

Good luck with your new gig JLC, you look like the rookie who just got schooled by the saavy vet and to top it off it was involving the team that you went out of your way to discredit in order to further your career.

Who looks like the idiot now, JLC?

Re: AH trade II La Canfora insists AH is indeed on the trading block.
 

[quote=Dirtbag359;693538]What? You would rather have a lineman or linebacker, which is basically the equivalent of getting Rocky McIntosh or Chilo Rachel over a franchise QB?[/quote]


McNabb is here for 5 years max and doesn't have the line or the WR corp that he had with Philly. Do you think he is going to win with this mediocre group he will be surrounded by minus his TE and stable of RB's. Have you looked at our LB depth lately? For a 3-4 it is pretty thin. I would draft a LB in the mid rounds as this draft is deep. Look at New England and the LBs they drafted. They are tight. Until we get a decent line any QB, even Manning is going to suck playing for us. McNabb is not going to be our long term franchise guy just for the fact that he doesn't have much to work with with the present roster on offense.

Re: AH trade II La Canfora insists AH is indeed on the trading block.
 

I mean we still can land Bruce Campbell in the 4th round, which would help salvage this poor draft of ours. What if we had our 2nd and 5th back? WE could have landed anothe OL in the 2nd or a stud LB or S. We have multiple needs and for once it would be nice to fully utilize the draft for a change to meet them. I guess I am like a bunch of Obama voters, who expected change and got the same old shit. I hope I am wrong about the 2010 campaign, but the schedule is a bitch, and we really need an upgrade to do well!!!

Re: AH trade II La Canfora insists AH is indeed on the trading block.
 

Campbell in the 4th would be great. If we got two starting calibre tackles in the draft it is a resounding success.

If Williams is the next Clady, we are in for a great run.

Re: AH trade II La Canfora insists AH is indeed on the trading block.
 

[quote=SmootSmack;693526]Here's what happened. Titans were trying to get him from us. We weren't trying to trade him there. We said the conversation doesn't begin until you can offer us at least a 2nd. Titans were then close to sending Bo Scaife in a deal to the Ravens that would get them a 2nd that would come to us. That deal fell through, Ravens took another TE in the draft, and that's the end of that.[/quote]

To further demonstrate just how confusing the many different media reports have been concerning the Haynesworth situation, Jason Reid of the WashPost reported the following today:

JLC - NFL Network reported this afternoon that Haynesworth would be moved today, likely to Tennessee in exchange for a 3rd round pick in tonight's draft. But Titans GM Mike Reinfeldt used language as strong as Shanahan's. "It a dead issue. It is not happening" Reinfeldt told the Tennessean. From our perspective there is nothing to report at all. I have not talked to the Redskins in a long time.

It's not difficult to understand why from a fans perspective, reading so many different and/or misleading reports could leave one in an absolute state of confusion.

Re: AH trade II La Canfora insists AH is indeed on the trading block.
 

[quote=Pocket$ $traight;693553]Campbell in the 4th would be great. If we got two starting calibre tackles in the draft it is a resounding success.

If Williams is the next Clady, we are in for a great run.[/quote]

When you add in the Mcnabb (2nd Pick) and Jarmon (3rd Pick) additions, i would say that this would be the best draft haul in years.

Re: AH trade II La Canfora insists AH is indeed on the trading block.
 

Shanny/Allen would have lost enormous street cred trading the best defensive player in football for a 2nd rd pick (let alone an effing 3rd).

...in a sense things haven't changed much that it requires other franchises saving the Skins FO from itself. But at any point it looks as though the relationship w/ Al won't be repaired. If we get lucky a top DT will get seriously injured so we get the kind of value Al is actually worth i.e. a 1st rd pick next year. I could see this if Minn sees one of the Williams go down.

Re: AH trade II La Canfora insists AH is indeed on the trading block.
 

[quote=The Goat;693593]Shanny/Allen would have lost enormous street cred trading the best defensive player in football for a 2nd rd pick (let alone an effing 3rd).

...in a sense things haven't changed much that it requires other franchises saving the Skins FO from itself. But at any point it looks as though the relationship w/ Al won't be repaired. If we get lucky a top DT will get seriously injured so we get the kind of value Al is actually worth i.e. a 1st rd pick next year. I could see this if Minn sees one of the Williams go down.[/quote]

Or maybe Albert will realize that he likes the new hybrid system and that it's not bad after all and Shanahan and him kiss and make up.

Re: AH trade II La Canfora insists AH is indeed on the trading block.
 

[quote=GusFrerotte;693551]I mean we still can land Bruce Campbell in the 4th round, which would help salvage this poor draft of ours. What if we had our 2nd and 5th back? WE could have landed anothe OL in the 2nd or a stud LB or S. We have multiple needs and for once it would be nice to fully utilize the draft for a change to meet them. I guess I am like a bunch of Obama voters, who expected change and got the same old shit. I hope I am wrong about the 2010 campaign, but the schedule is a bitch, and we really need an upgrade to do well!!![/quote]

Dude, you are just way to negative. There are a thousand ways to spin any action, and you seem like you have found a way to wrap them all in to one giant Turdball.

For the culture to change, which Shanny is trying to, the FO can't be in the desparation mode like you seem to be. They are taking reasonable steps, setting decent limits, and as much as they can, enforcing a disciplined and equal routine on all our players. A 3rd round pick, received at an unfair value, is a far worse move than keeping an overpaid player, who has said he will do whatever the coaches ask. Your desparation reminds me of Vinny last year rushing to the platform for Orakpo. It will be ok, we can take our time, use all our resources, and have a successful draft, and remolding of our Redskins.

As a reminder:
1st= T Williams - Franchise OL (yes I am hedging, but he will be an anchor somewhere on our line for 10 years)
2nd = D McNabb - Franchise QB for the next few years (still I wasn't a fan at all of the move, but McNabb's attitude and actions are swaying me)
3rd = J Jarmon - 1 year in already, very good pick up at the time and still alot of potential
4th = TBD - 3 possible OT's, Matt Tennant C, a solid potential QB or two, all are still available looks like this should be a productive pick
5th = TBD + Carriker (yes the FO actually gained a player without costing us an actual pick, only positioning)
6th = Vinny's fault (and along this line, your incessant call for trades would lead us down this type route) you build picks by not trading up unless absolutely necessary, and you let trades come to you, not vice versa.
7th = TBD possibly used in conjunction to move up a spot or two somewhere in rounds 4 or 5.


I don't think this counts as a shoddy draft.

Re: AH trade II La Canfora insists AH is indeed on the trading block.
 

[quote=internetcareer;690165]Here is a case where one of the so called "media experts" predicts something. If it happens the guy is a genius. If it doesn't then he CLAIMS that nobody was willing to pay the price.

On the flip side...I would say virtually every player is on the trade block if the price is right.[/quote]

I will quote myself again because it is worth repeating. Some of you are not reading these posts and then saying things like: " oh I am tired of hearing about this, just get rid of him". This is a foolish attitude.

Albert has not done anything wrong so far. He will attend all required camps and practices and when he gets there he will bring a ton of thunder with him.
There is not comparable player in the NFL to Haynseworth. He must be accounted for on both the run and the pass. Same as Orakpo.

Re: AH trade II La Canfora insists AH is indeed on the trading block.
 

[quote=SFREDSKIN;693595]Or maybe Albert will realize that he likes the new hybrid system and that it's not bad after all and Shanahan and him kiss and make up.[/quote]

Assuming there's really anything to make up about. If anybody should be apologizing right now it should be the media for peddling crappy rumors.

Re: AH trade II La Canfora insists AH is indeed on the trading block.
 

Im glad we did not trade AH for a 2nd or 3rd round pick. He forces offenses to game plan for him. I think our D-line will be much better this season than last. Im concerned more about our LineBackers who do not have much experience in the 3-4 defense. We need to focus on another OT and 3-4 line backers in rounds 4-7. I hope we can get a few more picks for JC if not we should just keep JC until another team gets a injury to their QB. JLF is a idiot and I never like him when he would appear on Washington Post Live. He seem always negative to the Redskins organization.

Re: AH trade II La Canfora insists AH is indeed on the trading block.
 

And also keep in mind that Haynesworth actually played a lot more then people realized. So while some people will see the signing of DL after DL after DL as a sign that they want to move Haynesworth, people should consider the possibility that they want to reduce the number of snaps he plays and thereby maximize his effectiveness per snap.

[url=http://misterirrelevant.com/index.php/2009/10/29/defending-albert-haynesworth-yet-again-hes-playing-about-75-of-the-snaps/]Defending Albert Haynesworth Yet Again: He’s Playing About 75% of the Snaps | Mr. Irrelevant, a D.C. Sports Blog by the Brothers Mottram[/url]

[url=http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2009/09/19/haynesworth-isnt-loafing/]Albert Haynesworth Isn't Loafing -- NFL FanHouse[/url]

[quote] As we mentioned earlier this week, Haynesworth played more than 70 percent of Washington's defense's snaps in the opener against the Giants, so it's hard to say that he was begging out of playing time. And when he was in there, he gave a good effort. Especially when it comes to pass rushing, it's pretty easy to tell when a player is out of gas and giving no effort. They can just stand at the line, move their feet a little bit and get in a stalemate with the offensive linemen.
[/quote]

I personally feel stupid for ever buying into the Haynesworth trade hype.

Re: AH trade II La Canfora insists AH is indeed on the trading block.
 

[quote=Dirtbag359;693662]And also keep in mind that Haynesworth actually played a lot more then people realized. So while some people will see the signing of DL after DL after DL as a sign that they want to move Haynesworth, people should consider the possibility that they want to reduce the number of snaps he plays and thereby maximize his effectiveness per snap.

[URL="http://misterirrelevant.com/index.php/2009/10/29/defending-albert-haynesworth-yet-again-hes-playing-about-75-of-the-snaps/"]Defending Albert Haynesworth Yet Again: He’s Playing About 75% of the Snaps | Mr. Irrelevant, a D.C. Sports Blog by the Brothers Mottram[/URL]

[URL="http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2009/09/19/haynesworth-isnt-loafing/"]Albert Haynesworth Isn't Loafing -- NFL FanHouse[/URL]



[B]I personally feel stupid for ever buying into the Haynesworth trade hype[/B].[/quote]


You shouldn't feel stupid. JLC should feel stupid because he is a fraud. You would think that when the NFL Network hires a guy who was a beat reporter for a specific organization, that his reports tied to that organization would have some truth.

JLC is officially Schefter's bitch.

Re: AH trade II La Canfora insists AH is indeed on the trading block.
 

JLC got his assed kicked by disinformation and misinformation.

Re: AH trade II La Canfora insists AH is indeed on the trading block.
 

[quote=SirClintonPortis;693846]JLC got his assed kicked by disinformation and misinformation.[/quote]

what the hell are you talking about? Smoot confirmed that we were deep in negotiations with the Titans - if the ravens had traded with the titans for a TE instead of drafting one, we'd be debating whether we got fair value for Haynesworth now. JLCs report was spot on. Like smoot said, alot of times, these things fall through at the last minute. thats what happened here. whether you are happy or upset that the deal didnt go through is one thing, but i dont get why everyone is acting like JLC just made stuff up. he didnt.

Re: AH trade II La Canfora insists AH is indeed on the trading block.
 

[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;693876]what the hell are you talking about? Smoot confirmed that we were deep in negotiations with the Titans - if the ravens had traded with the titans for a TE instead of drafting one, we'd be debating whether we got fair value for Haynesworth now. JLCs report was spot on. Like smoot said, alot of times, these things fall through at the last minute. thats what happened here. whether you are happy or upset that the deal didnt go through is one thing, but i dont get why everyone is acting like JLC just made stuff up. he didnt.[/quote]

"Most likely for a third rounder". That's misinformation right there. They wanted a 2nd or more and wouldn't budge until Tennessee coughed one up, and that was only to start the conversation.

Re: AH trade II La Canfora insists AH is indeed on the trading block.
 

[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;693876]what the hell are you talking about? Smoot confirmed that we were deep in negotiations with the Titans - if the ravens had traded with the titans for a TE instead of drafting one, we'd be debating whether we got fair value for Haynesworth now. JLCs report was spot on. Like smoot said, alot of times, these things fall through at the last minute. thats what happened here. whether you are happy or upset that the deal didnt go through is one thing, but i dont get why everyone is acting like JLC just made stuff up. he didnt.[/quote]

Actually Smoot said the Titans called us and that the Redskins told them that they weren't going to discuss anything until they could come to the table with a 2nd round pick.

Re: AH trade II La Canfora insists AH is indeed on the trading block.
 

Bottom line is a 2nd rd pick for Al would be terribly stupid. Our FO was saved from itself by the other franchises involved...i think it's that simple.

Obviously I sympathize w/ Haynesworth. He's the best in football and from the information we have available he looked to play at his highest level ever this season. So, you build your defense around the best defensive player playing at his best. Our braintrust opted to go in a different direction despite 1) Haynesworth 2) we (still) don't have the personnel to ensure a strong defense in the new scheme 3) we don't have a proven coach to lead the unit through such a difficult transition.

We should not expect the defense to be a dominant unit this year.

Re: AH trade II La Canfora insists AH is indeed on the trading block.
 

[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;693876]what the hell are you talking about? Smoot confirmed that we were deep in negotiations with the Titans - if the ravens had traded with the titans for a TE instead of drafting one, we'd be debating whether we got fair value for Haynesworth now. JLCs report was spot on. Like smoot said, alot of times, these things fall through at the last minute. thats what happened here. whether you are happy or upset that the deal didnt go through is one thing, but i dont get why everyone is acting like JLC just made stuff up. he didnt.[/quote]

JLC was wrong as soon as he said Godzilla would be traded for a third. Then he made it even worse by sticking by his story.

He has more "egg" on his face then that 20 year old who was in the bathroom with Ben...

Re: AH trade II La Canfora insists AH is indeed on the trading block.
 

JLC is a bitch. He looks like a bitch and he acts like a bitch. He is a hack bitch.

Re: AH trade II La Canfora insists AH is indeed on the trading block.
 

[quote=wilsowilso;694151]JLC is a bitch. He looks like a bitch and he acts like a bitch. He is a hack bitch.[/quote]


Schefter is JLC's diddy.

Re: AH trade II La Canfora insists AH is indeed on the trading block.
 

[quote=SirClintonPortis;693889]"Most likely for a third rounder". That's misinformation right there. They wanted a 2nd or more and wouldn't budge until Tennessee coughed one up, and that was only to start the conversation.[/quote]

most likely for a third because thats all the titans had and evidently their initial offer. we wanted more. the titans tried to get more. it didnt happen . i see nothing in jlcs report to criticize

Re: AH trade II La Canfora insists AH is indeed on the trading block.
 

Until he is actually traded. is there anything to talk about here? "Insiders" are right all the time...

Re: AH trade II La Canfora insists AH is indeed on the trading block.
 

[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;694170]most likely for a third because thats all the titans had and evidently their initial offer. we wanted more. the titans tried to get more. it didnt happen . i see nothing in jlcs report to criticize[/quote]He and his sources can still be bashed for being wrong in their expectations and guesstimates.

Re: AH trade II La Canfora insists AH is indeed on the trading block.
 

[quote=SirClintonPortis;694210]He and his sources can still be bashed for being wrong in their expectations and guesstimates.[/quote]


I thought the reports were much more definitive. More along the lines that AH was being traded yesterday.

Re: AH trade II La Canfora insists AH is indeed on the trading block.
 

[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;694170]most likely for a third because thats all the titans had and evidently their initial offer. we wanted more. the titans tried to get more. it didnt happen . [B] i see nothing in jlcs report to criticize[/B][/quote]
Well that shocks the living daylights out of me.

You argued through this whole thing that JLC was to be believed over Schefter because Schefter was too tied to MS. Fact is JLC took the base information and spun it as any media hound would. Schefter got better information from a better source (MS probably) and let the details out as best he could. JLCs reporting was self serving, and in fact misleading. Any other way of looking at it is wrong, and mostly from some biased perspective of its own.