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JC and Rocky aren't busts just never were able to take it to the next level. Shuler was a bust. When have you ever heard of a first round pick being booed for a seventh round QB?

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JC may be a bust to us bitter, entitled Skins fans, but look, the guy is going elsewhere to start and even if he wasn't, more than likely, he'd be a solid backup in this league for years to come. That's a far cry from guys who flat out "cannot play".

I think we can all agree he failed to pick the team up on his back and carry it anywhere. He pretty quickly became a "game manager" type of QB, and there's probably a lot of good debate about why that happened, but really -- bust? I think not.

Those of you who've always disliked the guy looking to hang the bust label on him because of the draft picks we gave up to get him need to factor in the Gibbs 2.0 Personnel Inflation Cost (tm). Let's not forget, this was the FO that gave you TJ Duckett, Brandon Lloyd, and Adam Archuleta.

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best of luck to Jason, class act and a hell of a qb. i hope he gets what he deserves which is nothing but the best. absolute class act.

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I am making the Raiders my second favorite team. JC should have never been put in the Suanders offense or the Zorn(west coast offense). JC will be where he belongs in a verticle passing game. With the speed recievers he has they should be able to run under some of his over thown balls. I wish him the best and will use my Direct tv to keep an eye on him. With that said, having McNabb is Awsome.

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I do feel bad he's getting shipped to the black hole, but on the positive side of things he's going to be working with a very good OC in Hue Jackson. And with the level of "talent" at QB on that roster, he should definitely have the leg up on winning that starting job.

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I always liked the Raiders, though w/age I don't really follow teams other than the Skins that much other than just watching important games. Since JC is there now & they made some good picks this weekend, I think the raiders may at least be respectable & I'll route for them. We don't play them for another 3 years.

I don't know if JC can win the job there but I'll be routing for him. Actually, they have quite a logjam at qb, it's quite possible that JC gets cut.

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I would be pretty surprised if he got cut. JaMarshmallow? Gradkowski? The starting job should be JC's for the taking.

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[quote=Mattyk;694896]I would be pretty surprised if he got cut. JaMarshmallow? Gradkowski? The starting job should be JC's for the taking.[/quote]

I'd be a little surprised but if he got cut, but I would be just as surprised if he gets the starting job. I think its Gradkowski's for the taking right now. C. Frye is also on their roster.

Who knows what Al Davis is thinking w/Jamarcus? Most teams would cut him, but Al Davis might try to hold on & hope he comes around.

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Campbell has a career 82.3 passer rating, which ranks him 21st amongst active QBs, ahead of Eli Manning, Matt Cassel and Kyle Orton. He had a passer rating of 86.4 during a tumultuous 2009 season, which was 15th in the NFL. I think that's about where he is as a quarterback, [B][I]dead center average[/I][/B].

Read more: [url=http://www.realgmfootball.com/src_teamarticle/648/20100425/grading_the_deal_raiders_trade_for_jason_campbell/#ixzz0mD4VL3A3]RealGM Football: Oakland - Grading The Deal: Raiders Trade For Jason Campbell[/url]

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[quote=freddyg12;694899]I'd be a little surprised but if he got cut, but I would be just as surprised if he gets the starting job. I think its Gradkowski's for the taking right now. C. Frye is also on their roster.

Who knows what Al Davis is thinking w/Jamarcus? Most teams would cut him, but Al Davis might try to hold on & hope he comes around.[/quote]

Not sure what people see in Gradkowski, if JC is an average starter, Gradkowski is definitely below average, in fact he really hasn't proven he's a true starter yet. He's got a career QB rating of 65.9, his numbers are very underwhelming to say the least.

[url=http://www.nfl.com/players/brucegradkowski/careerstats?id=GRA068015]Bruce Gradkowski: Career Stats[/url]

Plus he's having surgery for a torn pectoral, he should be back from training camp but still, it's a setback.

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[quote=Mattyk;694904]Not sure what people see in Gradkowski, if JC is an average starter, Gradkowski is definitely below average, in fact he really hasn't proven he's a true starter yet. He's got a career QB rating of 65.9, his numbers are very underwhelming to say the least.

[URL="http://www.nfl.com/players/brucegradkowski/careerstats?id=GRA068015"]Bruce Gradkowski: Career Stats[/URL]

Plus he's having surgery for a torn pectoral, he should be back from training camp but still, it's a setback.[/quote]


Maybe Gradkowski looks good because he comes in for Russell.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;693968]He's doomed. No O-Line, no recievers. It's a QB's dream.[/quote]

Oakland made some GREAT O-line picks, two guys I wouldn't mind seeing here in Bruce Campbell and Jared Veldheer. Even with two rookies, this line is better than Campbell was abused behind last season with us.

The Raiders somehow had a GREAT draft. McClain is a monster, two great O-Tackles, some defensive depth.

He could actually see some success there. They always have a good running game too.

Good luck Jason, you'll need it.

I just can't understand why we gave him away for a 4th rounder in 2012. We might as well just gave him away for free. He's better than that. We could have kept him as a backup for one year instead of getting ripped off like this. Also, if we had drafted another QB late, this move would have made more sense. Jevan Sneed went undrafted, then signed with the Bucs.

Does this mean Colt Brennan is definitely staying?

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I hoped JC17 would produce, but he didn't. Best of luck to the man in Oakland.

No QB would have done well with all the missteps the FO and DS had. The O line was a scrap heap of duct tape and bailing wire. Dan Marino would have had a tough time behind our O line of the last few years.

I don't excuse Campbell's play only based on the protection (or lack there of).
He was fairly classy overall, but his lack of personal accountability left me scratching my dome. Overall I'd say he was an average QB. Not a star, or even a contender. At least we have a stud now(even if he is on his last legs).

MS and BA will lead this team. For the first time since the Squire died I feel we have a legit team. If DS can keep his hands off we can and will be a contender again. Winning is EVERYTHING.

HTTR!

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[quote=Buster;694908]Oakland made some GREAT O-line picks, two guys I wouldn't mind seeing here in Bruce Campbell and Jared Veldheer. Even with two rookies, this line is better than Campbell was abused behind last season with us.

The Raiders somehow had a GREAT draft. McClain is a monster, two great O-Tackles, some defensive depth.

He could actually see some success there. They always have a good running game too.

Good luck Jason, you'll need it.

[B]I just can't understand why we gave him away for a 5th rounder in 2012. We might as well just gave him away for free. He's better than that.[/B][/quote]

It's actually a 4th rounder, but I get the feeling that Oakland was kind of in the driver's seat with this one. They knew we had gotten McNabb and that eventually Campbell had to be traded or cut, I don't think anyone bought MS' whole "we'll keep Campbell if need be".

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[quote=Bakerman;694909]I hoped JC17 would produce, but he didn't. Best of luck to the man in Oakland.

[B]No QB would have done well with all the missteps the FO and DS had.[/B] The O line was a scrap heap of duct tape and bailing wire. Dan Marino would have had a tough time behind our O line of the last few years.
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Personally, I'd be willing to give just about everyone a second chance because of this. The team was badly managed by the previous FO and coaching staff. Which is why I'm ok with not doing a complete house clean up.

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[quote=Buster;694908]Oakland made some GREAT O-line picks, two guys I wouldn't mind seeing here in Bruce Campbell and Jared Veldheer. Even with two rookies, this line is better than Campbell was abused behind last season with us.

The Raiders somehow had a GREAT draft. McClain is a monster, two great O-Tackles, some defensive depth.

He could actually see some success there. They always have a good running game too.

Good luck Jason, you'll need it.

[B]I just can't understand why we gave him away for a 4th rounder in 2012.[/B] We might as well just gave him away for free. He's better than that. We could have kept him as a backup for one year instead of getting ripped off like this. Also, if we had drafted another QB late, this move would have made more sense. Jevan Sneed went undrafted, then signed with the Bucs.

Does this mean Colt Brennan is definitely staying?[/quote]

We're probably lucky to have gotten anything for him. There was talk a week or two ago that teams were just going to wait for us to release him.

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Yeah i agree. I think most of the NFL world was expecting Campbell to be released prior to training camp, or shortly after the draft.

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.... Adios. :)

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[quote=T.O.Killa;694836]I am making the Raiders my second favorite team. JC should have never been put in the Suanders offense or the Zorn(west coast offense). JC will be where he belongs in a [SIZE=4]verticle passing game. [/SIZE]With the speed recievers he has they should be able to run under some of his over thown balls. I wish him the best and will use my Direct tv to keep an eye on him. With that said, having McNabb is Awsome.[/quote]

So you watched the same QB as I did over the past five years. He might have a big arm but he cannot hit the side of a barn down field. His feel for the long pass down right sucked. When he should have lead the WR in he threw it out when he should have lead the WR out he threw it in. When he finally had a wide open WR down field he missed. I don't get how any one can say he had this vertical attack because I think that is the worse part of his game.

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A 4th in 2012 ought to help people who scream this FO is just trying to win now. I think it demonstrates a willingness to build picks in the future rather than just accept a lesser pick this year.

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[quote=firstdown;694921]So you watched the same QB as I did over the past five years. He might have a big arm but he cannot hit the side of a barn down field. His feel for the long pass down right sucked. When he should have lead the WR in he threw it out when he should have lead the WR out he threw it in. When he finally had a wide open WR down field he missed. I don't get how any one can say he had this vertical attack because I think that is the worse part of his game.[/quote]

Ditto. How many times did we see the ball even on short routes thrown behind the receivers? I'll admit he's safe with the ball, but being safe with the ball only means he didn't turn it over. Any QB who can throw the ball into the dirt and out of bounds would be considered safe with the ball.

He was an upgrade from Brunell. Atleast he could scramble and get the ball beyond 10 yrds once and a while. We have McNabb, who is supposed to be far and above better then JC. As long as we have upgraded and not made a lateral move like they tried to do last summer I'm happy.

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Good points about Gradkowski, I didn't realize he was coming off surgery. I always thought it was good though in a poor mans Jeff Garcia manner. Not a great qb & doesn't make all the throws & reads well, but makes plays on the run & plays w/some fire. Will do the little things & make plays in unconventional ways.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;694926]A 4th in 2012 ought to help people who scream this FO is just trying to win now. I think it demonstrates a willingness to build picks in the future rather than just accept a lesser pick this year.[/quote]

Anyone know what we get if there is no draft in 2012? It doesn't necssarily have to be part of a new cba.

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I imagine we don't get anything, but there is no way that a draft will not be part of the new cba. That would be incomprehensible to me.

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[quote=firstdown;694921]So you watched the same QB as I did over the past five years. He might have a big arm but he cannot hit the side of a barn down field. His feel for the long pass down right sucked. When he should have lead the WR in he threw it out when he should have lead the WR out he threw it in. When he finally had a wide open WR down field he missed. I don't get how any one can say he had this vertical attack because I think that is the worse part of his game.[/quote]

Say what you want about Campbell, but remember that he got sacked 50 times last year. And most of those sacks were because Zorn didn't know anything about protection schemes. Also, remember that Campbell had two Offensive Coordinators last year and one of his coordinators was used to calling, "N37" or "B18". No other quarterback in the league has had to go through something like that. So, putting up 3600 yards passing and 20 touchdowns...................................yeah, those are average numbers, but putting up average numbers when you're getting sacked 50 times while hearing "B19" from your coordinator...........................Thats pretty impressive if you ask me. Letting him go was dumb. Letting him go for almost nothing in return was dumber. And trading for McNabb was the dumbest move this franchise has made since bringing in Deon Sanders.

But, you got to tip your cap to the Raider's front office on this one. They got a mobile gun slinger, who can learn a new system every year, do well with any offensive coordinator in the league, and can take hard hits! And it didn't cost them anything. What a move by the Raiders...........................

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[quote=Miller101;694943]Say what you want about Campbell, but remember that he got sacked 50 times last year. And most of those sacks were because Zorn didn't know anything about protection schemes. Also, remember that Campbell had two Offensive Coordinators last year and one of his coordinators was used to calling, "N37" or "B18". No other quarterback in the league has had to go through something like that. So, putting up 3600 yards passing and 20 touchdowns...................................yeah, those are average numbers, but putting up average numbers when you're getting sacked 50 times while hearing "B19" from your coordinator...........................Thats pretty impressive if you ask me. Letting him go was dumb. Letting him go for almost nothing in return was dumber. And trading for McNabb was the dumbest move this franchise has made since bringing in Deon Sanders.

But, you got to tip your cap to the Raider's front office on this one. They got a mobile gun slinger, who can learn a new system every year, do well with any offensive coordinator in the league, [B]and can take hard hits! [/B] And it didn't cost them anything. What a move by the Raiders...........................[/quote]

I'll give Campbell that - He is tough as nails. I think Campbell could've been a good QB if there was any type of continuity around him. It has to be very hard to basically start from scratch every year.

Best of luck to him in Oakland.

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My biggest gripe? Another wasted jersey purchase. :(

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;694935]I imagine we don't get anything, but there is no way that a draft will not be part of the new cba. That would be incomprehensible to me.[/quote]

I agree. I think one of the reasons we went for a 2012 pick was because we'll definitely have a new CBA by then. I'm holding out hope we don't have to give the Eagles that 3rd/4th for McNabb next year.

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A 2012 pick is kinda far away.. We lose a great backup QB, and don't get anything in return for 2 years.. It wouldn't happen, but it's possible he flails in Oakland, gets released and we pick him up again - and still wouldn't have gotten the 2012 pick yet.

Also - is there a chance at all the 2011 draft won't happen? Those college players will have to get to the NFL at one point and will HAVE to get drafted..

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;694961]I agree. I think one of the reasons we went for a 2012 pick was because we'll definitely have a new CBA by then. [B]I'm holding out hope we don't have to give the Eagles that 3rd/4th for McNabb next year.[/B][/quote]

How would that happen? While the 2011 season is in jeopardy, the 2011 draft is almost a certainty.

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Poor Campbell

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[quote=ethat001;694967]A 2012 pick is kinda far away.. We lose a great backup QB, and don't get anything in return for 2 years.. It wouldn't happen, but it's possible he flails in Oakland, gets released and we pick him up again - and still wouldn't have gotten the 2012 pick yet.

Also - is there a chance at all the 2011 draft won't happen? Those college players will have to get to the NFL at one point and will HAVE to get drafted..[/quote]

you have to look at this kinda like the bailey trade to an extent, meaning there was no way he was going to stay here and be a back up. at this point his bags were packed and he was just looking for a flight to board

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The Raider's fans discuss their starting QB "delima". Sounds like many discussion had on our board, just different names. I do like this one particular point made about JC in why they should start JC over Grads: " I don't know if he can produce like Jason has in the midst of a [B]poor running game, bad OL play and craziness in the front office and sidelines[/B]. Jason has..."

Forgot link: [URL="http://www.raiderfans.net/forum/sbreport-net-exclusive-content/164813-raiders-must-empower-campbell-you-our-qb.html"]Raiders must empower Campbell: You are our QB - Oakland Raiders Forum | Message Board - Where the Raider Nation lives![/URL]

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[quote=Mattyk;694958]My biggest gripe? Another wasted jersey purchase. :([/quote]

LOL... Yeah I stopped buying jerseys for this very reason... On the up side I already have a Mcnabb jersey from Syracuse so I'm good for now. I don't dare curse him by buying a Mcnabb Redskins jersey.

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[quote=Mattyk;694958]My biggest gripe? [B] Another wasted jersey purchase[/B]. :([/quote]

As a have a ton of jerseys. The ass kicker with Campbell is I never even wore the damn thing. Now thats a bust.....I mean a wasted jersey. ;)

Ole well. McNabb will make it worth while, I think.....he damn well better!

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[quote=44ever;694997]LOL... Yeah I stopped buying jerseys for this very reason... On the up side I already have a Mcnabb jersey from Syracuse so I'm good for now. I don't dare curse him by buying a Mcnabb Redskins jersey.[/quote]

Yeah I'm itching to buy one, think I'll wait though

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[quote=Mattyk;694958]My biggest gripe? Another wasted jersey purchase. :([/quote]

So get a new nameplate and make it a D. WILLIAMS or even a modernized KILMER jersey. Heck, confuse people and make it a FRIESZ throwback. :D

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Considering how much we gave up to get him, it's disappointing what we got in return for letting him go. I wish him well in Oakland and I'm ready to move on as a Skins fan

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[quote=Mattyk;694958]My biggest gripe? Another wasted jersey purchase. :([/quote]

I'm only buying oldschool retired HOF lifetime redskin jerseys from now on. That should cover my bases haha.

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[quote=SmootSmack;695057]Considering how much we gave up to get him, it's disappointing what we got in return for letting him go. I wish him well in Oakland and I'm ready to move on as a Skins fan[/quote]

i feel the same way, i'm pretty interested in what will happen in oakland though and will definitley keep an eye on him