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SolidSnake84 05-19-2010 02:35 PM

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We have relatives that live close to Pensacola, FL. Tar balls show up from time to time and are naturally occuring, according to the locals. I dont know what they come from though.

SmootSmack 05-21-2010 11:18 AM

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Hollywood to the rescue!

[url=http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-oil-spill-hollywood-20100521,0,2351299.story]Kevin Costner may hold key to oil spill cleanup - latimes.com[/url]

firstdown 05-24-2010 09:19 AM

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So this thing has been going on for 34 days and the best Obama has done was to form a commission to review how this happened and if any charges should be brought up against BP.

Hey, dumb ass why not form a commission to figure out how stop the oil leak first.

dmek25 05-24-2010 10:18 AM

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you want the Gov't involved in a private business? since when?

firstdown 05-24-2010 10:25 AM

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[quote=dmek25;702870]you want the Gov't involved in a private business? since when?[/quote]

When this thing blew it was no longer private business issue and became a public issue but I guess no one on the left gives a dam when its a liberal F*&^ing up our waters.

Slingin Sammy 33 05-24-2010 10:29 AM

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[quote=dmek25;702870]you want the Gov't involved in a private business? since when?[/quote]When a private business that's regulated for safety by the Fed has a major accident resulting in loss of life and devastating environmental impact.

joethiesmanfan 05-24-2010 12:29 PM

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drill baby drill!!!!

hooskins 05-24-2010 01:09 PM

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I love how all the conservatives have become eco-freaks when a disaster occurs while a Dem is in office.

How have the policies of regulation significantly changed since the Bush Admin? Or better yet since the last 10-15 years? It hasn't. This same thing could have happened if McCain had won.

Don't see how this a Dem or a Rep thing.

firstdown 05-24-2010 01:09 PM

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;702892]drill baby drill!!!![/quote]

No Obama Now says "Leak Baby Leak".

CRedskinsRule 05-24-2010 01:16 PM

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[quote=firstdown;702902]No Obama Now says "Leak Baby Leak".[/quote]

or "plug baby plug"

SolidSnake84 05-24-2010 01:19 PM

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BP keeps pushing out the date that they are going to try the top kill method. I love how they can blatantly defy orders from the government, with no threat whatsoever of retaliation by the United States. It looks like the leak has no end in sight.

CRedskinsRule 05-24-2010 01:19 PM

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[quote=hooskins;702901]I love how all the conservatives have become eco-freaks when a disaster occurs while a Dem is in office.

How have the policies of regulation significantly changed since the Bush Admin? Or better yet since the last 10-15 years? It hasn't. This same thing could have happened if McCain had won.
[B]
Don't see how this a Dem or a Rep thing.[/B][/quote]

I agree that this is not a Dem or Rep thing.

I also would say though that the "eco-freaks" would have been out in full force if Bush were in office. In my opinion, had this occurred on Bush's watch, We would have had a Katrina part deux style media backlash.

joethiesmanfan 05-24-2010 01:57 PM

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[quote=firstdown;702902]No Obama Now says "Leak Baby Leak".[/quote]

LOL!!! I love it how them haters be hating. You gonna hate no matter what firstdown. You are funny.

firstdown 05-24-2010 02:33 PM

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;702921]LOL!!! I love it how them haters be hating. You gonna hate no matter what firstdown. You are funny.[/quote]

I don't hate Obama just don't agree with his politics. Funny when it took Bush a day or so to show up in NO thats all we heard about. This leak is now going on 34 days and the only thing Obama has done was fly over the place and to send in a few people from the NG. So today they say they are forming a commission to investigate the accident. Ok, thats great but isn't a better idea to form a commission to figure out how to stop the leak first. If we can send a man to the moon I'd think if we put them to work on the issue we could have had this stopped by now.

joethiesmanfan 05-24-2010 02:52 PM

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[quote=firstdown;702941]I don't hate Obama just don't agree with his politics. Funny when it took Bush a day or so to show up in NO thats all we heard about. This leak is now going on 34 days and the only thing Obama has done was fly over the place and to send in a few people from the NG. So today they say they are forming a commission to investigate the accident. Ok, thats great but isn't a better idea to form a commission to figure out how to stop the leak first. If we can send a man to the moon I'd think if we put them to work on the issue we could have had this stopped by now.[/quote]

When you compare a leak to people standing in knee deep water. Then you reaching. We don't have the technology to stop the leak. Digging holes 1 mile beneath the sea, puts you at the ledge of technology. anything to get oil. Keep singing your song. Atleast he not a communist anymroe. LOL!!!

Slingin Sammy 33 05-24-2010 03:58 PM

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[quote=hooskins;702901]I love how all the conservatives have become eco-freaks when a disaster occurs while a Dem is in office.

How have the policies of regulation significantly changed since the Bush Admin? Or better yet since the last 10-15 years? It hasn't. This same thing could have happened if McCain had won.

Don't see how this a Dem or a Rep thing.[/quote]This certainly isn't a D vs. R thing. The improper relationships between the regulatory arm of MMS and the oil companies have been going on for quite some time, regardless of who occupies the WH.

I also don't think it's an "eco-freak" thing to not want peoples livelihoods drastically damaged or completely destroyed (fishing industry in the Gulf) or to see birds/fish etc. covered in oil and dying.

As with the improper criticism of the Bush Admin on Katrina, most of the criticism of Obama on Deepwater is without legs.

[URL="http://www.defense.gov/home/features/2010/0510_gulfspill/"]Defense.gov - Special Report: Disaster in the Gulf of Mexico - Military Supports Federal Oil Spill Response[/URL]

[URL="http://www.deepwaterhorizonresponse.com/go/site/2931/"]Deepwater Horizon Response[/URL]

firstdown 05-24-2010 04:10 PM

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[quote=hooskins;702901]I love how all the conservatives have become eco-freaks when a disaster occurs while a Dem is in office.

How have the policies of regulation significantly changed since the Bush Admin? Or better yet since the last 10-15 years? It hasn't. This same thing could have happened if McCain had won.

Don't see how this a Dem or a Rep thing.[/quote]

I would have said the same thing if Bush or McCain was in office and allowed unsafe drilling. From what I have read it sounds like Bush may have just been lucky that we did not have any oil spills durn his watch. I think we need to drill for oil but I want every safty standard set high so we don't have spills like this. The worse case here should have been a small oil spill with very little damage to the environment. Now is not the time to point fingers but time to figure out how to stop this oil leak and thats my issue with Obama. He should have a large task force down there trying to figure out how to stop this leak but instaed they want to do an investigation. The investigation can wait and at that time let the heads roll. Fine the shit out of BP or anyone who allowed the safty rules to be broken.

12thMan 05-24-2010 05:08 PM

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[quote=firstdown;702941]I don't hate Obama just don't agree with his politics. Funny when it took Bush a day or so to show up in NO thats all we heard about. This leak is now going on 34 days and the only thing Obama has done was fly over the place and to send in a few people from the NG. So today they say they are forming a commission to investigate the accident. Ok, thats great but isn't a better idea to form a commission to figure out how to stop the leak first. If we can send a man to the moon I'd think if we put them to work on the issue we could have had this stopped by now.[/quote]

First, first of all, good seeing you again. I was hoping to see you over in the Palin gone wild thread, but that's another story.

Anywho, I think the Katrina v. BP comparison hasn't gotten too much steam in the media is because it was Bush's response to Katrina once it was over is why he caught so much shit.

The federal government is capable of handling a natural disaster (i.e. Katrina). They can issue warnings before hand and provide logistical and medical support during and after the event. And basically get an all hands on deck effort to sustain a full recovery of the affected region(s). It's the man made ones that we have the most trouble with. You hear of no effort to send volunteers to the region impacted, nothing about Red Cross or other organizations getting involved in a substantive way. None of that. This leak really is a different animal, ongoing, and the magnitude of it's impact we seem to be discovering on a daily basis. Especially since it's what, 5.000 feet, below the ocean's surface. How do you even begin to monitor that or predict it in the first place?

The fact is the story changed a few times since it was first reported it as an explosion. Then later we learned that it was more than just that, and now here we are more than a month later and no relief in sight. All the government, the White House, or anyone else can do is wait, unfortunately. Pushing BP out of the way or holding phony pressers, pointing fingers and getting pissed ain't gonna stop that oil from gushing. The ONLY people that know how and are equipped to do is BP and other experts in the oil industry, no one else.

As GMScud said sometime ago, this is really sad on so many levels that the issue of politics and who's right and who's wrong really shouldn't be the focus of this tragic event.

firstdown 05-24-2010 05:28 PM

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[quote=12thMan;703005]First, first of all, good seeing you again. I was hoping to see you over in the Palin gone wild thread, but that's another story.

Anywho, I think the Katrina v. BP comparison hasn't gotten too much steam in the media is because it was Bush's response to Katrina once it was over is why he caught so much shit.

[B]The federal government is capable of handling a natural disaster (i.e. Katrina). They can issue warnings before hand and provide logistical and medical support during and after the event. And basically get an all hands on deck effort to sustain a full recovery of the affected region(s).[/B] It's the man made ones that we have the most trouble with. You hear of no effort to send volunteers to the region impacted, nothing about Red Cross or other organizations getting involved in a substantive way. None of that. This leak really is a different animal, ongoing ,and the magnitude of it's impact we seem to be discovering on a daily basis. Especially since it's what, 5.000 feet, below the ocean's surface. How do you even begin to monitor that or predict it in the first place?

The fact is the story changed a few times since it was first reported it as an explosion. Then later we learned that it was more than just that, and now here we are more than a month later and no relief in sight. All the government or anyone else can do is wait, unfortunately. Pushing BP out of the way or holding fake pressers pretending to be pointing fingers and getting pissed, ain't gonna stop that oil from gushing. The ONLY people that know how and are equipped to do is BP and other experts in the oil industry, no one else.

As GMScud said sometime ago, this is really said on so many levels that the issue of politics and who's right and who's wrong really shouldn't be the focus of this tragic event.[/quote]

You mean the story has changed so we can just give the goverment a pass. Didn't NO survive the huricane then a leavy gave way causing flooding. That flooding went on for a few days causing a major obstacle to get crews in when everything is 8' or more under water. If I'm correct didn't the goverment give warning to people to leave the area before the storm ever hit. To me it sounds like the liberals expected better from Bush but they do not expect much of nothing from Obama. By the way that leavy which broke was man made.

I'm also not blaming Obama for this mess but I am blaming him for not providing additional help and minds to figure out how to stop this pipe from leaking. My god we can go into space and repair stuff but the goverment does not have the minds to figure this out. I don't care who comes up with the solution we just need the best minds and resources working on this.

12thMan 05-24-2010 05:49 PM

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[quote=firstdown;703010]You mean the story has changed so we can just give the goverment a pass. Didn't NO survive the huricane then a leavy gave way causing flooding. That flooding went on for a few days causing a major obstacle to get crews in when everything is 8' or more under water. If I'm correct didn't the goverment give warning to people to leave the area before the storm ever hit. To me it sounds like the liberals expected better from Bush but they do not expect much of nothing from Obama. By the way that leavy which broke was man made.

I'm also not blaming Obama for this mess but I am blaming him for not providing additional help and minds to figure out how to stop this pipe from leaking. My god we can go into space and repair stuff but the goverment does not have the minds to figure this out. I don't care who comes up with the solution we just need the best minds and resources working on this.[/quote]

You keep saying Obama hasn't provided support, but you fail to say what support he needs to provide that wasn't there on day one. From the very start the administration was on top of this based on the available information. The only expert minds are the ones that work for BP. The federal government aren't experts on oil wells and dealing with leaks. Apparently neither is BP at this point.

[url=http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iGw5j_drnBauWXcnC9-obnID4GNAD9FILHSG0]The Associated Press: Obama oil response: aggressive as crisis unfolded[/url]

I agree with you that I don't care who gets credit or how it's fixed, but it needed to happen last month as fas I'm concerned.

saden1 05-24-2010 06:05 PM

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[quote=12thMan;703014]You keep saying Obama hasn't provided support, but you fail to say [B]what support he needs to provide[/B] that wasn't there on day one. From the very start the administration was on top of this based on the available information. The only expert minds are the ones that work for BP. The federal government aren't experts on oil wells and dealing with leaks. Apparently neither is BP at this point.

[url=http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iGw5j_drnBauWXcnC9-obnID4GNAD9FILHSG0]The Associated Press: Obama oil response: aggressive as crisis unfolded[/url]

I agree with you that I don't care who gets credit or how it's fixed, but it needed to happen last month as fas I'm concerned.[/quote]

Seems to me they want a government take-over of the disaster and a BP's private oil field.

SolidSnake84 05-25-2010 07:08 AM

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The government has no deep sea expertise, nor do they have any equipment that could be used if the govt were to take over the cleanup. Sorry, but we are BP's bitch now. They can do whatever they want, put off operations however long they want, and there is nothing we can do about it.

joethiesmanfan 05-25-2010 07:15 AM

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I saw the underwater cam that traced where the dispersant had been sprayed. It is a dead zone, they found two fish. There is gonna be a very expansive dead zone in the gulf, on the USA side.

CRedskinsRule 05-25-2010 07:20 AM

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[quote=SolidSnake84;703054]The government has no deep sea expertise, nor do they have any equipment that could be used if the govt were to take over the cleanup. Sorry, but we are BP's bitch now. They can do whatever they want, put off operations however long they want, and there is nothing we can do about it.[/quote]

You make it sound like BP is delaying operations just because they can. That may be, I have no clue, but I would ask, why would they not move heaven and earth to close that spill as fast as possible? Every drop that flows out only costs them more in every considerable way that I can think of.
As for the govt not having the expertise, that might be true, but certainly they could, if necessary, get other oil companies with similar expertise involved.

There is no easy answer to this tragedy. I hope BP/Govt is doing everything possible to stop the flow as quick as possible.

joethiesmanfan 05-25-2010 07:46 AM

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;703056]You make it sound like BP is delaying operations just because they can. That may be, I have no clue, but I would ask, why would they not move heaven and earth to close that spill as fast as possible? Every drop that flows out only costs them more in every considerable way that I can think of.
As for the govt not having the expertise, that might be true, but certainly they could, if necessary, get other oil companies with similar expertise involved.

There is no easy answer to this tragedy. I hope BP/Govt is doing everything possible to stop the flow as quick as possible.[/quote]

BP might be able to stop the leak if they stop trying to siphon oil out of it. Seems to me the only solution they have is the relief well. This will stop the leak and oh yeah by the way be another well they can still get oil from. If they seal it it is only temporary until the relif well is made. Seems to me they are not considering closing the well for good. Any solution they come up with has an oh yeah they are still gonna be trying to get that oil.

CRedskinsRule 05-25-2010 08:02 AM

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;703058]BP might be able to stop the leak if they stop trying to siphon oil out of it. Seems to me the only solution they have is the relief well. This will stop the leak and oh yeah by the way be another well they can still get oil from. If they seal it it is only temporary until the relif well is made. Seems to me they are not considering closing the well for good. Any solution they come up with has an oh yeah they are still gonna be trying to get that oil.[/quote]

Well, duh. Why would they not continue to get oil from it? That still doesn't mean they aren't going to stop the leak as quickly as possible.

joethiesmanfan 05-25-2010 08:17 AM

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;703061]Well, duh. Why would they not continue to get oil from it? That still doesn't mean they aren't going to stop the leak as quickly as possible.[/quote]

Well it should have been stop the leak bump the oil, until we can evauluate what's going on. The whole mentality has been we'll stop the leak but we are gonna get this oil. These fools had a long ass straw in the well connected to a tanker while all this oil continues to kill the gulf.

CRedskinsRule 05-25-2010 08:47 AM

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The relief well (the only way that for sure will stop the flow) was going to take a while no matter what.

Try to look at it this way. If they could have stopped the leak the day it happened, they would not have lost any oil, not paid for nearly as much cleanup, not faced nearly the governmental inquest that is now going to happen, and could have drilled the relief well at whatever pace worked. They still would capture all the oil, because as soon as the flow is capped it's not going anywhere until someone pumps it out.

Any oil that flows out unstopped is lost revenue, if they jam up the tube, they would have saved themselves much money, from oil lost, cleanup expenses, and whatever media/govt/public backlash may come.

I don't think it is quite as easy to plug this up as you seem to think it is.

CRedskinsRule 05-25-2010 09:33 AM

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Another way to think about it, and these numbers are simplified, but they are for demonstration.

Lets say for every 1 barrel flowing out the well now, that BP would have gotten $80. So for every 100 barrels they would have gotten $8000.
again for simplicity lets assume 1 barrel escapes per day, this is only to make the numbers clearer.
Example 1- plugged immediately, only 1% lost until relief well is drilled
If they plugged it day one, they would have lost 1 barrel or $80, plus the expense to plug it and drill the relief.

Example 2 - They plugged 1 week later, 7%% lost until relief well is drilled.
they would have lost $560, plus the expense to plug it and drill the relief, + additional cleanup

Example 3 - after 10 days they succeed with a siphon to recoup 90% of spewing oil until relief well is drilled
cost is 10% or $800 + $8per day for the remaining days till relief well is drilled, + cleanup + Relief well cost

Example 4: 3 weeks into it they start siphoning off 30% of leak into tanker.
Cost is 21% or $1680 + $56 per day until relief well is drilled, + cleanup + increased govt oversight + relief well.


Bottom line it is most economically positive for BP to shut down the leak anyway possible. If they had the means to do that, they would. As it is, they are trying to a) minimize their loss and b) minimize the impact by siphoning some off until the relief well can be drilled

firstdown 05-25-2010 09:38 AM

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I guess its just me as I have never really been very good at standing around watching people as they try to get something done and I usually jump right in. My thinking is the goverment have how many scientist, architects, developers, engineers, etc... so why not pick the best of them and have them down there trying to figure out a way to help stop this leak. The more people we have working on this problem the quicker we will get this thing shut down. Or we can just let BP use their limited amount of people and maybe wait another two months while they drill a new well. I do believe BP is trying their best but having more people working on a solution cannot hurt one thing. Hell they are allready on the pay roll so why not use them.

CRedskinsRule 05-25-2010 10:00 AM

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[quote=firstdown;703088]I guess its just me as I have never really been very good at standing around watching people as they try to get something done and I usually jump right in. My thinking is the goverment have how many scientist, architects, developers, engineers, etc... so why not pick the best of them and have them down there trying to figure out a way to help stop this leak. The more people we have working on this problem the quicker we will get this thing shut down. Or we can just let BP use their limited amount of people and maybe wait another two months while they drill a new well. I do believe BP is trying their best but having more people working on a solution cannot hurt one thing. Hell they are allready on the pay roll so why not use them.[/quote]

And I agree with this. I just was saying it doesn't make sense to claim BP would be more interested in siphoning a portion than stopping the whole leak if they were able to. Clearly there must be other scientists/engineers who can be working on this. I tend to believe that both the govt and oil companies have devoted a LOT of capable resources and are trying to develop something to stop the leak, even if we don't hear of every attempt and workgroup out there.

firstdown 05-25-2010 10:15 AM

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;703091]And I agree with this. I just was saying it doesn't make sense to claim BP would be more interested in siphoning a portion than stopping the whole leak if they were able to. Clearly there must be other scientists/engineers who can be working on this. I[B] tend to believe that both the govt and oil companies have devoted a LOT of capable resources and are trying to develop something to stop the leak, even if we don't hear of every attempt and workgroup out there.[/B][/quote]

Obama is taking some heat for not doing anything and if he had people trying to develop something to stop the leak they would have said so. We do have man power down there to help clean up but thats about it right now.

CRedskinsRule 05-25-2010 11:06 AM

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Politicians are going to take heat regardless. To say Obama is not doing anything is as ridiculous as the accusations against Bush. Nowadays one side or the other will bash the white house regardless of the actions taken. I also disagree that they haven't said so:
[QUOTE]“We’re in the early stages of doing that, and we do not have a comprehensive understanding as of yet of where that oil is,” Jane Lubchenco, the NOAA administrator, told Congress on Wednesday. “[B]But we are devoting all possible resources[/B] to understanding where the oil is and what its impact might be.”

The administration has mounted a huge response to the spill, deploying 1,105 vessels to try to skim oil, burn it and block it from shorelines. [/QUOTE]
Yes this is a NOAA official, but my point is that all they can say is we are devoting all possible resources, critics will simply say that's not enough and so on and so on.
Do you know for a fact that NASA engineers are not being pulled over to that problem, or that other military deep sea ships aren't being brought over, I doubt it.
You are the opposite side of impatience as JTF. JTF claims BP isn't doing what he wants, but he doesn't have a clue, and likewise, you want to moan about the government's lack of success, and you can't say what they are really doing.
If any person who witnesses and has responsibility toward ending this leak isn't doing everything that can possibly be done, then that truth will come out, but for now, backseat driving just proclaims a frickin' agenda!

joethiesmanfan 05-25-2010 11:17 AM

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[quote=firstdown;703095]Obama is taking some heat for not doing anything and if he had people trying to develop something to stop the leak they would have said so. We do have man power down there to help clean up but thats about it right now.[/quote]

Nothing much you can do at 5000 feet under water. But that's the point was it necessasry to gamble the gul fo Mexico compared to the amount of oil received. The American people lose the gulf, we deserve to because we risked it so that for BP could profit and minimal affect on gas prices? Same trend, private businesses profit if it goes well and the public's suffers if it doesn't go well. Reminds me of the Iraq War mentality.

CRedskinsRule 05-25-2010 11:31 AM

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;703058]BP might be able to stop the leak if they stop trying to siphon oil out of it. Seems to me the only solution they have is the relief well. This will stop the leak and oh yeah by the way be another well they can still get oil from. If they seal it it is only temporary until the relif well is made. Seems to me they are not considering closing the well for good. Any solution they come up with has an oh yeah they are still gonna be trying to get that oil.[/quote]
[quote=joethiesmanfan;703103]Nothing much you can do at 5000 feet under water....[/quote]
You guys with frickin agendas or framework mentality crack me up.

over the mountain 05-25-2010 11:50 AM

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[quote=firstdown;703088]I guess its just me as I have never really been very good at standing around watching people as they try to get something done and I usually jump right in. My thinking is the goverment have how many scientist, architects, developers, engineers, etc... so why not pick the best of them and have them down there trying to figure out a way to help stop this leak. The more people we have working on this problem the quicker we will get this thing shut down. Or we can just let BP use their limited amount of people and maybe wait another two months while they drill a new well. I do believe BP is trying their best but having more people working on a solution cannot hurt one thing. Hell they are allready on the pay roll so why not use them.[/quote]

watched a news segment on the oil disaster the other night.

seems, like alot of us have said on here, the gov't has said they do not have the equipment or expertise to deal with an underwater oil eruption.

what i dont get and what the news touched on is, now that the oil is reaching the coast, why cant the gov't, private sector and local communities work to clean up and deal with the oil coming near the coast and let BP deal with the underwater situation?

they interviewed some locals who said they wish they could get the green light to start their own clean up project but, as of then, BP was in control of the coastal clean up as well and the communty couldnt take any action? that just doesnt sound right.

firstdown 05-25-2010 11:54 AM

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;703103]Nothing much you can do at 5000 feet under water. But that's the point was it necessasry to gamble the gul fo Mexico compared to the amount of oil received. The American people lose the gulf, we deserve to because we risked it so that for BP could profit and minimal affect on gas prices? Same trend, private businesses profit if it goes well and the public's suffers if it doesn't go well. Reminds me of the Iraq War mentality.[/quote]

I guess you must walk everywhere, use candle power, no electricity, etc... wait you use a computer which uses power from oil. Those plastic parts are also a product from oil. If you feel so strong against drilling for oil then stop using products of oil.

dmek25 05-25-2010 12:06 PM

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that's like saying you don't like big gov't, so don't use the police, or fire fighters. come on first. you ever mail any letters?

SolidSnake84 05-25-2010 12:07 PM

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;703056]You make it sound like BP is delaying operations just because they can. That may be, I have no clue, but I would ask, why would they not move heaven and earth to close that spill as fast as possible? Every drop that flows out only costs them more in every considerable way that I can think of.
As for the govt not having the expertise, that might be true, but certainly they could, if necessary, get other oil companies with similar expertise involved.

There is no easy answer to this tragedy. I hope BP/Govt is doing everything possible to stop the flow as quick as possible.[/quote]

Just now logged back on. My answer to this question, is that BP has no sense of urgency because let's face it, they are the biggest oil company in the world. They answer to no one. and sadly this disaster is not going to make them sweat one drop. Here's why:

#1) They will recover any lost $$ relatively quickly when the price of oil goes back up.

#2) They have a cozy relationship with the US gov't.

#3) will their public image be hurt? Yes, but who cares because its not like BP is going to go out of business over this.

#4). The gov't is trying to pass a 33 cent tax per barrell of oil right now, to help "ease" cleanup costs. The taxpayers will pay this at the pump, which is essentially bailing out BP for their F**k Up.

I trust BP about as much as I trust the Gov't.

CRedskinsRule 05-25-2010 12:35 PM

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[quote=SolidSnake84;703117]Just now logged back on. My answer to this question, is that BP has no sense of urgency because let's face it, they are the biggest oil company in the world. They answer to no one. and sadly this disaster is not going to make them sweat one drop. Here's why:

#1) They will recover any lost $$ relatively quickly when the price of oil goes back up.

#2) They have a cozy relationship with the US gov't.

#3) will their public image be hurt? Yes, but who cares because its not like BP is going to go out of business over this.

#4). The gov't is trying to pass a 33 cent tax per barrell of oil right now, to help "ease" cleanup costs. The taxpayers will pay this at the pump, which is essentially bailing out BP for their F**k Up.
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I trust BP about as much as I trust the Gov't.[/B][/quote]
Look, I am not going to say I trust BP, and I certainly don't trust the Gov't. BUT, they are losing money due to this spill, will they still make a whole helluva lot, yes, but it's ridiculous to assume that BP sees any type of gain by letting this spill go on any longer than necessary. All 4 of your points have basic validity, but even with all of that, any company that has a major accident, is going to do what it can to get the accident site fixed and productive again.


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